Shady Sands, New California | Fallout

When civilization returned to New California, it took refuge in Shady Springs. Now, what was once a shining capital serves as a reminder: war never changes.
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[@Tuskin38]

confirmed in an interview today that the nuking took place after new Vegas and the NCR does still exist

[@DrNefarious-rw1dm]

They only confirmed that the nuking happened after New Vegas, we don't know what happened to the rest of NCR I really hope they will confirm it only moved away from LA area and that's all, because if they put that it all fell just for the destruction of one city, yea that's just bullshit writing

[@TemplinInstitute]

True NCR patriots never had a doubt.

[@Boomerrage32]

That is good to hear. Would you mind telling me what to search for to find that interview?

[@FrontlineCrusaders226]

Oh Thank God

[@AzrenKaleBolles-Pohja]

The Amazon show is Not Canon as far as I'm Concerned. Just More bad writing like Rings of Power.

[@socialaccount0000]

>Is called Shady Sands >Looks inside >No Shade

[@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem]

Is there sand tho?

[@nickthenuker7916]

@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystemit's California, so yes.

[@derekdube7352]

Promptly asks for refund

[@DOSFS]

I means... there is a shade in those creator----

[@PeterReid1993]

One could even argue that, if only for a brief moment, it was *one* of the brightest places on planet earths history.

[@kennyroberts9687]

Well, at least you aren't patrolling the Mojave, wishing for a Nuclear Winter.

[@Domfass21]

I understand that reference

[@alfredkabatay656]

I don't know how many channels i've seen this comment on for this tv show lol must of gotten thousands of likes

[@blueanonymousguy224]

​@Domfass21 any true fallout fan would

[@vVRichardVv]

Cadian:CADIA STANDS! Helldiver: MALEVELON CREEK STANDS! NCR trooper: SHADY SANDS STANDS!

[@NCR-Veteran-Ranger-O-Casey]

to add: NCR Ranger: SIG SEMPER TYRANNIS! AND SHADY SANDS STANDS!

[@Betito1171]

UNSC marine: REMEMBER REACH

[@vfins6446]

@@Betito1171underrated bro… I came here to say that 😂

[@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009]

THE CITY FELL BEFORE THE RANGERS DID

[@CarnytheM-mv5uo]

Long Live, Shady Sands.

[@Robin447]

Here's a fun one to consider: For his plan to work, Mr House not only did not project the collapse of NCR anytime soon but he also strongly believed that they would be such an economic powerhouse that they could kick-start his great revatilazation project with their disposable income alone...

[@awestruckcardboard3431]

Mr House did not want to make enemies of the NCR, so I agree. If he did, like he said no Tourist, bye bye Money. He wanted to pin the blame on Oliver, predicting himself a inflicted gunwound to the head.

[@override367]

this would - should - make house quite antagonistic towards the overseer if he learns what he did to Shady Sands. House never endorsed their project, he believed he could shape the wasteland himself

[@Pierce1996h]

Well he's one person he makes many mistakes and takes many risks(biggest one being letting the courier walk into the lucky 38) he didn't even get the first part of his plan completely right the chip was 200 years late. He was struggling but I don't believe he would ever want to harm the ncr. He relied on them and understood they were a decent government even more reasonable than the old world ones. I hope they don't change his whole character in the show. I hope he finds out what vault tec did to shady sands

[@awestruckcardboard3431]

@@Pierce1996h I hope his Personality is not just Elon Musk Space persona tuned to 11.

[@simonwilliamnoelmurray9179]

I sincerely hope the canon ending they choose is The House Always Wins - that way we can see one of the most interesting characters in Fallout on the big screen

[@captainyossarian388]

You can't have a scene where Lucy splays the NCR flag and the Fallout theme swells (talk about goosebumps), without there being a hope that the NCR lives.

[@override367]

my guess, my hope, is that the NCR is fractured and still struggling to right itself, shady sands loss wouldn't be the biggest hit, it would be all the refugees without enough clean water or food that would pulse out from the region, a human tragedy the NCR would be unable to absorb. The political power of the NCR lies with greedy brahmin barons, weapons manufacturers, and people in the business of water, and the ensuing conflicts over resources in the area would probably ... well turn it back into the wasteland, and explain how fucked everything in the area is

[@jsnap1]

I just wish they used the New Vegas version

[@mr.l7471]

Shady Sands, where the legend of the vault dweller was born and the birth of the NCR

[@awestruckcardboard3431]

Born was the Legend, not the birth, But when the Vault Dweller drove off the Raiders and Khans from terrorising the future Capital of the NCR.

[@drg617]

And now Bethesda buried it all. It buried the NCR, buried the legend of the dweller, and finally buried the original Fallout.

[@bunnitomoe3866]

​@@drg617 don't be so dramatic

[@gonkdroid4603]

Shady Sands may be gone, but NCR endures. It is more than one city, it is a nation True Californian patriots will agree

[@3Jane_TA]

Ave, true to Caesar. Todd Howard was truly on the side of the Legion after all.

[@Zephyr_Phoenix76]

Fuck Cali

[@maddogtannan1334]

Support from Mr House Enjoyers We need y’all’s money

[@adamskaocelot8382]

A corrupt nation polluted by old world problems. We all know how that ended

[@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009]

The bear still has another head

[@imperatortiago]

I find it interesting that the series makes it appear that Shady Sands is in or near Los Angeles, while Fallout 1 and 2, as well as other maps of California, make the city closer to California's Dead Valey, near the state border of nevada

[@daverage4729]

Perhaps we'll see it rebuilt there in the show?

[@RMProjects785]

I actually like this retcon. It made no sense that the most prosperous city in the entirety of post-war America was located in the middle of quite literally the hottest desert on the planet.

[@alcalanjuan]

@@RMProjects785 that's due to the dwellers of vault 15 using the geck to terraform the land

[@RMProjects785]

@@alcalanjuan Oh I think I missed that in the lore. Still, you need trade routes/infrastructure, sea and river access, etc. which Death Valley doesn't have at all.

[@alcalanjuan]

@RMProjects785 infrastructure they develop that on there own and the hub pretty much handles the trade routes for shady sands . F2 shows how they were able to get the major settlements of f2 and 1 to come together and form the NCR which shady sands is made capital as they were the ones to start forming it in the furst place. Sea and river action no but no place in fallout exploits the sea as all goods are transporte over land

[@Jungoguy]

The NCR is living proof that Vault-Tec was wrong and they couldn’t stand that. They need to come back!

[@TemplinInstitute]

Damn straight.

[@Skiritai]

The NCR needs to accept the Brotherhood's terms for technology policing, and then they can coexist.

[@aidymacBrago]

​@@Skiritai the BoS lost the first war, theres no need to coexist when generally the NCR is just stronger

[@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem]

​@@Skiritai "Ideological purity and power armor doesn't matter when you're outnumbered 15 to 1." Or something like that.

[@Skiritai]

@@aidymacBrago Let's see them try that now that the Brotherhood has an air force, cold fusion, and could request reinforcements from across the Continent.

[@UnboundConman]

NCR soldier after finishing his tour in the Mojave and going home to Shady Sands, which is located in near Death Valley in Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas: "Where the fuck is the city?" "Yeah, they moved it to the Boneyard." "How? Why? HOW?" "It Fell" "What the fuck does that mean? How do you just MOVE A CITY?" *The distant flash of a Nuclear Blast* "Ope, looks like someone nuked Shady The Boneyard Sands" "WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON"

[@Alex_FRD]

I want to know how Shady Sands moved 260 miles from Death Valley to the middle of LA.

[@PrivateDoge]

Fr, people act like this is a minor thing. But it throws a wrench in the entire story of Fallout 1 (and 2 to a certain extent). Not to mention fundamentally changing what the NCR is.

[@LewisB3217]

@@PrivateDoge how does it change the NCR at all???? The NCR spans 5 states, including all of LA

[@xenomorph1238]

Giant Underground Tortoise

[@Vonstab]

​@LewisB3217 Because it puts Shady Sands right next to the Master and his army of supermutants. Which means that they would have been one of the first locations destroyed in Fallout 1. Shady Sands teleporting to LA also means that it impossible for the Vault Dweller to come across Shady Sands on their way to Vault 15. Moving Shady Sands effectively derails Fallout 1 and that in turn derails Fallout 2.

[@PrivateDoge]

@@Vonstab Also now that Shady is in LA does the boneyard even exist?

[@shaftoe195]

Well, Preston... that settlement is going to need A LOT of help...

[@pwojo9776]

Something about seeing a Fallout setting most players would know or at least know of that isn't a blasted out hole or an endless desert, with functioning infrastructure, cars and trucks and trolleys, and schools and libraries and shit, that isn't limited by game engines, it was nice, just very pleasant and reassuring to see. Like seeing the scene with the trolley in Lucy's memory got me emotional. And the original obelisk and well from the very first game still being there, I had to rewind to make sure I saw that right, I was smiling the entire flashback.

[@override367]

It makes Mcclain one of the worst villains to me, he's worse than the Enclave president in Fallout 2, or The Master, or any of them. I was there when Shady Sands was getting off the ground. I hate Mcclain more for the loss of Shady Sands than the entire world - which was probably going to go to war anyway

[@pwojo9776]

@@override367 It's even worse when you think that part of the reason for this was because he didn't want to tell his wife the truth or have a sensible discussion that could lead to a peaceful solution. That he'd rather nuke about 40k people than be honest with his wife, the love of his life, the mother of his beloved children or possibly even consider that Vault Tec might be in the wrong.

[@Bread-nx9fo]

I doubt they'll have Caesar in season 2 since he's probably dead from the tumor, but a Lanius easteregg or reference would be cool.

[@TheMajorStranger]

My theory is they will canonized Mr. House winning in S2 for the simple fact having Mr House in the show sound cool as hell to have him interact with The Ghoul.

[@LewisB3217]

Yeah Caesars legion always loses unless the courier helps them, which he wouldn’t, I also don’t think he’d help house because the NCR is already a great nation in the fallout world, which the courier could trust, meanwhile House, while a genius is somewhat of a manipulator and a tyrant if he doesn’t get what he wants

[@LordDarthHarry]

@@LewisB3217 You are going under the assumption the Courier has to be an altruistic hero and not a mercenary or someone who genuinely believed in House's vision.

[@marcellinma6169]

@@LordDarthHarry Or in my case, a capricious psychopath whose actions are based on whichever side has the funnier lines.

[@awestruckcardboard3431]

​@@LewisB3217 The Legion always wins New Vegas, They had their hands in so much things such as spies in the Highest of the NCR military, two groups willing to set chaos in New Vegas itself, and the Great Khans seeking revenge, So the Legion always wins New Vegas without Courier help. Its the post war that is to be decided, I guess Legate Lanius is able to conquer California, and or fails due to Californias almost 3 Million population.

[@KingOfMadCows]

Shady Sands is the first town you visit in the first game of the Fallout franchise. A lot of the lore of the series and worldbuilding for the Wasteland started at Shady Sands. And Shady Sands was founded by residents from Vault 15, a Vault populated by people with vastly different ideologies. That's why the Vault was abandoned so early, the people weren't able to work together so the different groups split up when the Vault door opened. By the end of Fallout 2, the NCR was able to reclaim Vault 15 and gain access to what was left of the technology there.

[@cipherhornet1889]

The sign said "first" capital, which implies there's another to have followed. So I don't think this is the end of the NCR.

[@Ryanowning]

It's been confirmed by the show writers that the NCR is, in fact, still very alive and "well". Season 2 is almost exclusively about the NCR and their resurgence in the area.

[@erichunsaker4969]

​@@Ryanowning That's good. I would hate for this to be the last we hear of the NCR. The Bear shall not go quietly!

[@bunnitomoe3866]

​@@Ryanowning i like to believe that the ncr is still very much active in the north (where most of fallout 2 takes place) and to some extent the south around Baja California. The areas around The Boneyard and Shady Sands is a lawless region for the time being but hopefully soon will be pacify back into the republic

[@lawofanubis2996]

I just hope the Rangers still exist. Best group of the NCR

[@Captain23rdGaming]

Ncr: *Building life back better* Vault-tec: we dont do that here

[@marimcgee8379]

We're not going quietly, the Legion will count on that!

[@awestruckcardboard3431]

False, Ave! True to Caesar!

[@nicktechnubyte1184]

Preston: another settlement needs your help

[@rickyrwatson]

I just recently noticed the obelisk in Shady Sands flashback. Such a nice nod to the original Shady Sands from Fallout 1.

[@vishaansingh1019]

Imagine if Star Wars said "Yeah the New Republic collapsed 20 years later after their capital blew up..." oh wait, they also literally did that LMAO

[@ethanduncan1646]

Its just is Star Wars all over again with letting hacks control of the franchise to appeal to the plebian masses for short term profit

[@konradmostek1311]

News about destuction of Shady Sands in Fallout series hit me way harder that i could ever expect I was actually shocked and sad, its insane!

[@sausagedogs100]

bold move releasing this video whilst the chalkboard debate is still fresh and toxic lol

[@Falloutlover1011]

We got confirmation that the nuke dropped after NV’s events

[@sausagedogs100]

@@Falloutlover1011 yes, thankfully, but I think some people are still treating it as a lore break because they got so emotionally invested in the argument

[@josiadorthestrong1031]

We know New Vegas is still canon, so the argument is kind of moot.

[@manny7289]

@@josiadorthestrong1031 we were unsure before this interview, so it kinda muddied everything up.

[@Falloutlover1011]

@@mrdrebin123 No, it was blasted after. Todd cleared it up in an interview that the downfall and nuking were separate events, with the nuking happening after the events of NV.

[@SapphireCrusader1988]

I can't wait to hear "REMEMBER SHADY SANDS!!!" in Season 2.

[@idcgaming518]

Its... honestly a shame this happened. But, if the Legion is gone too (and we havent seen any sign of them), then the NCR has dealt with the most dangerous threat to civilisation, and there might still be hope for civilisation. Especially if house, and vegas, still lives.

[@sirroganestevezofnaples3076]

I think House won.

[@Ryanowning]

@@sirroganestevezofnaples3076 "War, war never changes." Fallout 1 and 2 already established that your decisions have very little impact. Fallout is a cosmic horror whereby the element that makes it cosmic horror is the illusion of choice.

[@timothyneeck2680]

Honestly, given the Roman style names that keep popping up in the show's BoS, I wonder if some Legion remnants got absorbed there...

[@Ryanowning]

@@timothyneeck2680 Wouldn't be surprised. Caesar's legion was going to collapse no matter what the player chose.

[@yseson_]

I think the Brotherhood absorbed the Legion

[@whatafineday_9410]

The NCR could possibly have roughly around a million citizens in the year 2296 since it was about 700k in Fallout 2 and Shady Sands blown up only got rid of about 35k residents or 5% or less of the total population So the NCR is definitely still a big and major faction and the characters in the show said Shady Sands was the NCR’s first capitol, so they are alluding that they already have a replacement capitol already

[@gnarkgnarkgnarkgnark1933]

THE BONEYARD REMEMBERS ! DOWN WITH THE BROTHERHOOD ! UP WITH THE COMMON MAN !

[@Skiritai]

The Brotherhood that bested the Master at Mariposa, and challenged the Enclave at Navarro? If not for us, you'd be muties.

[@GabeNsApostle]

@@SkiritaiIt was the NCR that bested the Enclave. The BOS just swooped in to steal the shiny power armour. Also, you’re sounding a lot like the Enclave.

[@theduke9292]

@@Skiritaithe same brotherhood that did nothing and sent the Vault Dweller on a suicide mission and then took credit when he did all the work? Or the same brotherhood that sat on its ass until after the fall of the Poseidon Oil rig? And don’t forget it was a joint NCR BOS force that took Navarro

[@Skiritai]

@@theduke9292 Oh right, because securing the perimeter sure is doing nothing. And let's not pretend the Brotherhood wasnt the Enclave's only true adversary, what was the NCR going to do? Throw rocks?

[@theduke9292]

@@Skiritai same thing they did at Hellios

[@jamesmmcgill]

*New California, you have won this heart of mine!*

[@wolverine3219]

I KNOW WHEN I DIE, I SHALL BREATHE MY LAST SIGH FOR MY SUNNY CALIFORNIA!

[@beepbop6542]

This is like if the first Game of Thrones book ended with Kings Landing being burnt by dragons. So much wasted potential for a genuinely interesting post-post apocalyptic story of politics, civil strife, militarism, etc.

[@Ryanowning]

No it isn't LOL Shadey Sands was already established to be the FIRST capital of the NCR.

[@beepbop6542]

@@Ryanowning Shady Sands is THE capital, until the show.

[@Ryanowning]

@@beepbop6542 You should watch some lore videos because perhaps it's not obvious what's happening if you only finished NCR or House.

[@babyfaec]

@@Ryanowning do you actually have a quote from a game or something? cause I've never heard of it being referred to as first capitol in any of the games lore.

[@Ryanowning]

@@babyfaec The lore before the show primarily was about how the NCR are struggling and the war in New Vegas was a distraction to unite the people behind a common goal. Not to mention they actually needed the power to fuel their economy for future war efforts. Failing to obtain the dam themselves proved to have predictable results.

[@S.Collins]

Surely The Comments Will Be Civil

[@Discotekh_Dynasty]

Real

[@sonicalex2536]

Today I will sort by new in the comment section of a video about the Fallout show *clueless*

[@Ace-Intervention]

As civil as the wasteland, yes

[@martinroosjen]

I hope we find out in season 2, that there is another shady sands, still run by the ncr, and in the correct place and with the correct population of 700k +

[@owenparris7490]

The Republic will rise from the ashes! Remember Shady Sands!

[@WhoisPersona]

Releasing the Video seven days after the series dropped. Well played Templin Institute.

[@EmmLoaf]

Shady Sands lives in all of our hearts. We wont go quietly, Vault Tec can count on that.

[@atlasprime6193]

It’s so heartbreaking that all of our hard work in Fallout 1, 2, and. NV was destroyed. Shady Sands was nuked, some NCR Ranger reduced to lead manufacturers or farmers, some officers of the NCR helping criminals operate drug den, and the NCR itself reduced to hermit settlements. Even until the very end, they still fought to better humanity with unlimited resources. Despite their flaws, their core trait was to always help improve people’s lives. Out of all the factions, they were beaten down the most. I hope season 2 show it isn’t really as bad as we see it in season 1, and that it was only contained in that small area.

[@caolanmcflynn2412]

Hopefully the ncr will rebuild scene there still around by new vegas

[@Lyndonmaman]

"Shady Sands....was different." That delivery was amazing, my guy. I now need that quote on a shirt.

[@songjunw8981]

Todd Howard, Give us back our great New California Republic and New Vegas!

[@DarkRipper117]

All praise God Howard....

[@songjunw8981]

@@DarkRipper117 he's a False God.

[@nicholaswesoloskie7194]

@@songjunw8981he just confirmed that the NCR is still alive

[@songjunw8981]

Still mad about the destruction of Shady Sand.

[@LMarti13]

omg that stillshot made me realize the show depicted the obelisk 😭

[@themooch6674]

We got our nuclear winter boys

[@GotHoai]

Didn't think the wasteland could get anymore depressing

[@jordanhunt2210]

Templin Institute really out here bringing the healing energy to this dumb debate lol

[@Dripularstein]

I dont understand how shady sands is located inside of LA? Im sure it was a bit faaar away from the city and began as a village near vault 15

[@coybold5303]

This is the alternative history Fallout, where they built a farming community in the ruins of a city for some reason.

[@Dirtyblue929]

still assblasted about the fact that they moved it from near the Sierras to the middle of LA lol /hj

[@hellfish2309]

Based on the show, it’s somewhere immediately north of LA, like Glendale

[@Dirtyblue929]

@@hellfish2309 yeah most likely, still BS that they retconned it to being in the middle of a pre-war city (you can see ruined skyscrapers in the background even in flashbacks to its prosperous heyday) when its whole appeal and symbolic status is predicated on it _not_ being built from the ruins of the old world

[@Skiritai]

​@@Dirtyblue929Building on the edge of Death Valley is kinda retarded.

[@TheDelver]

I have always wanted to see what a fully realized Shady Sands would look like. We only get glimpses at its early construction in the original two games, but I would absolutely love to see a fully realized version of the city before it's destruction. Does it look like a pre-war city? Does it look more modern? I really want to know!

[@LewisB3217]

We get a glimpse of it in the show flashbacks, they have a tram, large farms, it’s very pre war feeling minus the pre war abundance of tech

[@GTtwothousand]

​@@LewisB3217it was close to pre war, getting there with tech slowly also since they managed to make a public transport system

[@TornadoADV]

Todd Howard just doesn't want Fallout to move beyond a tribalistic hellhole. Gutting the NCR was his way at waving his dick at Interplay/Obsidian's lore.

[@draco_1876]

Ikr. It’s been 200 years and he wants the world to look like it’s been nukes yesterday. He needs to let it go.

[@bluespace6199]

"Lets go out with a BANG!!!" Shady Sands: Bet

[@abyssbun444]

Which of these make a good war cry? “For Shady Sands!” “Remember Shady Sands!” “The bear still stands, to avenge Shady Sands!”

[@DrLeperchaun]

THE BEAR STILL HAS ANOTHER HEAD! FOR THE REPUBLIC!

[@anonviewerciv]

Like the 343 Industries approach to introducing a new story: hit the reset button. 🔁💥🌇

[@Ryanowning]

No, they've confirmed nothing has been retconned here. You're just making an ass pull of an assumption. (Except maybe the placement of Shadey Sands, but most likely it's due to the residents realizing that Death Valley is too deadly for them)

[@anonviewerciv]

I didn't say anything about a retcon, just as Halo Infinite wasn't one either. All the fans of this show seem to have the same script or something. 📄

[@Ryanowning]

@@anonviewerciv Ah, I see, you're horribly butthurt from recent failures in the industry. Can't say I fault you, but you are making a generalization by assuming this is a reset. Shadey Sands was not the entirety of the NCR, it was the FIRST capital. In fact, it could only have fallen because New Vegas happened. It would have been basically impossible for it to NOT have fallen given the events of New Vegas. It's what happens when you send half your army away to fight in distant lands. You know, like Rome. If you're not an absolute fool you'd notice that NEW VEGAS references this... ALL the timelines talk about NCR back home being in turmoil. Granted, they probably had a different storyline in mind originally (civil war most likely), but you have to be a tool to think this doesn't fit. Besides, you evidently don't know about the interview that confirmed the NCR are returning in overwhelming force next season. Sounds like absolute fooking awesome story telling to me, "Remember Shadey Sands!" Vault Tech is about to get an asswhoppin.

[@anonviewerciv]

Butthurt? Buddy, I'm not the one writing multiple paragraphs on some streaming series. 🤓 EDIT: And buddy deletes his long comment.

[@Ryanowning]

@@anonviewerciv LOL you are the one complaining about it though!😂🤣😂

[@12stem.b-obenita]

The bear can never be subdued for the other head is still alive and kicking

[@battlesheep2552]

"Pay Taxes" -Tax Lord Kimball

[@corypowercat7277]

I'm glad they made the place look built up (like Cali is supposed to look).

[@jacobwalker3060]

Loving the content! You guys really really need to cover the Impossible Mission Force (IMF)

[@captainspacebones3795]

I hope No-bark Noonan is alive to tell what happened in New Vegas in his usual rambling mad man way

[@rokmun680]

do you have a map that shows the pre-show and post-show positions of shady sands?

[@Anonymous-zu7dh]

Funny, I was just watching your old video on the enclave. more fallout content? yep that's a quick click.

[@Unregistered.Hypercam.2.]

ate broerood uv steel ate the enclave ate the legion luv me rangers luv me NCR and luv me california.... SIMPLE AS

[@ernestoparedes5792]

Is an alternate history, Shady Sands is in L.A. now. hahahahaha 😉😉😉😉 Fucking chaos

[@kevinlane1219]

I now understand what Maximus meant by "Everyone wants to save the world, they just disagree on how." As long as people disagree and the means to make the world a better place, conflict is inevitable because such disagreements make conflict appear necessary. Furthermore, war NEVER changes; that's one of the most famous lines in the franchise, so obviously, people (not just men) will always need to chance, though I'm uncertain what about them needs to change.

[@LewisB3217]

I love the NCR 🗣️

[@georgecopers5071]

At the end was that fan art of Elder Maxson leading Brotherhood survivors from a Prydwn wreckage?

[@PatrickNerdu744]

*NCR IS NOT YET LOST!*

[@canadiantroop1]

Anyone know who the art at 6:09 is by?

[@johnjr9997]

I want lucy to hear stories of all the previous vault dwellers who United the wasteland or destroyed it. It would be a nice twist on her new perspective knowing that other vaults were doomed for failure

[@thenewadventuresofhenry6998]

That's pretty damn inspiring.

[@gryoluther7242]

Todd said the bombs fell after NV, but the bombs fell in 2277. New Vegas takes place in 2281.

[@buddygamesdev]

The Fall is in 2277. You'll see the arrow continues to point to the bomb. The fall is likely referring to a real famine that is mentioned as the coverup for why Rose MacLean died. Either way, Todd said it's after New Vegas, so it's after New Vegas.

[@Syncr0w]

The bomb that destroyed Shady Sands, not the great war.

[@causticchan4617]

@@Syncr0w he has a point bro ur mistaken the great war was in 2077 not 2277

[@Syncr0w]

@@causticchan4617 I think Im beginning to see the misunderstanding over this issue on the internet. My bad.

[@Jamez229]

2277 is the year that the "Fall of Shady Sands" begins. That likely doesn't mean it was the actual year that the nuke detonated, but the beginning of an era of the city's downfall. To paraphrase from JuiceHead, the "Fall of Rome" is a lengthy period of time, even if the city of Rome fell on a specific date. It's likely that the timeline is implying that things began to go down hill for Shady Sands in 2277. That was the year the NCR won the First Battle of Hoover Dam, but it was a costly victory. It seems to imply that Shady Sands' downfall as a settlement started there, and then some years later - after the events of New Vegas - the city was destroyed by an atomic blast.

[@chaosXP3RT]

The most badass depiction of the NCR Army is still the fan-made videos by SODAZ

[@feralprocessor9853]

Right off the bat, two buildings in a wastland.

[@RoyalGriffin99]

"For a short time, the light of civilization shone on the California wastelands, a beacon of hope for a better tomorrow. A mighty Bear capable of challenging the Knights of Steel and the Bull Legions, able to drive out the Jackals and Vipers and destroy the Khans. But now the Bear is no more, killed not by his enemies, but by those who, for their own greed, were able to destroy the world and betray all who trusted them."-Eulogy for NCR

[@Reallyidktbh]

So, the NCR capital is relocated to where? New Reno?

[@Emanon...]

I don't mind things missing limbs and other stuff. It's when there are more eyes, heads, appendages etc that freaks me the fuck out.

[@troopers0312]

the saddest thing is big chance that tax lord kimball and general lee oliver is still in shady sands when it exploded

[@richmay56]

Remember the Shady Sands!

[@ToddSoloStory]

I got to this point in the show and was genuinely trying to figure out why people were so angry, because that flashback is actually exactly how I imagined Shady Sands looked in Fallout 2. Aesthetically/architecturally, I mean. Like that city hall building with the obelisk. Etc. It looked like the 2D townscape reimagined in 3D. A sort of Wild West frontier town built inside the ruins of the old world. If they’re angry about Shady Sands being destroyed, I almost understand that. But also, remind me what this entire series’ tag line is again? Something about war and how it doesn’t change, maybe?

[@kevind3974]

82. It was bombed by Hank/vault tech not long after the end of new vages

[@CalobAdamsInfamous913]

The biggest issue is that isn’t the original Shady Sands in the show because the original Shady Sands is near Vault 13.

[@Tojo_cartoons797]

The enclave got destroyed like twice, ncr can came back

[@Ryanowning]

Season 2 will almost exclusively be about the NCR's return; it has been confirmed via interview.

[@wittycognomen4931]

The Enclave never forgives or forgets. We remember and resent…

[@blu30n1gaming]

Would the real lore Shady please stand up?

[@FrostyWheats]

We won’t go quietly, the wasteland can count on that

[@Kaiju-Driver]

Very nice. I love Fallout content.

[@itsmike2736]

LONG LIVE THE NCR

[@Astraeros72]

It's time for me to start quietly suggesting and hoping that the ISDF or Scions from Battlezone2 get covered

[@cmdraftbrn]

and the heart of the desert still beats strong

[@mingchoi8369]

In the end, Shady Sands ended up suffering the same fate as much of the old world. However, New California is not just one city - it's more of an idea that a broken world can be remade into something worth fighting for. I wonder if the next Fallout game will include references to Amazon Prime's series. Yeah, I think you should do updated versions of older Fallout videos like the NCR, the Brotherhood of Steel, and Vault-Tec as the series goes on.

[@amk4956]

The NCR will rise again

[@rodolfopalafox9948]

Remember Shady Sands

[@rollbacked]

Sundial is still on V.2.4? This is one stable version

[@TemplinInstitute]

We can't afford the upgrade. :(

[@Truthoscope91]

Just one question: where is Shady Sands? Fallout 1 & 2 have it hundreds of miles north of the Boneyard (LA). The show seems to show that the Shady Sands that was nuked was in Los Angeles itself or somewhere nearby. Was Shady Sands moved from its original location between Fallout 2 and the show? Or is this a straight retcon?

[@aardappelmethoed1151]

Most likely. Between F1 and F2, Shady Sands was moved a few hundred kilometers as the map is kinda warped, but it seems they just moved it out of Death Valley entirely.

[@RavenStorm332]

War Never Changes

[@CraigSteinhoff]

Does anyone wonder how Shady Sands moved south closer to the bone yard in the show?

[@aardappelmethoed1151]

Seems like they retconned its position, as it was to my knowledge in death valley in FO1 before changing position in FO2 and now the show. Thats one of my few complaints about the show; no sense of geography and location, people seemingly finding each other in the middle of nowhere

[@Jayjay-qe6um]

Lore supplements in Fallout: Wasteland Warfare claim that the town changed its name to "Sandy Shores" after it became the capital city of the New California Republic, a detail not reflected anywhere else in the series. It is identified as the largest city in the Republic and one of the largest cities in the entire Wasteland.

[@Karma92008]

Its illegal to be this early

[@DippKlippGuy]

It's a good thing the capital is N.C.R; seriously that's the name of the capital and the original Shady Sands

[@fransionseamor9368]

Oh please tell me you have a link to that interview!!!

[@raistlarn]

When you post links into KZbin comments they get censored. So here's how to find the interview type in "fallout tv show ncr interview" into Google and click on the "ign" link. It'll be ~halfway down the article where they specifically ask about Shady Sands. To which Todd Howard says they were nuked after New Vegas.

[@fransionseamor9368]

@@raistlarn okay, thanks. I’ll go ahead and find it then

[@cheemzdeemz4767]

"Where the fuck is shady sands?" Some random ncr ranger returning to where once was shady sands but now is just desert for some reason

[@jameseaniharnlewis8345]

It's the chosen one, not vault dweller

[@mrbarit529]

You Maniacs! You blew it up!