Bojack Horsman - Finale Thoughts

[@ShadyDoorags]

A lot of people tell me not to talk politics in these videos. I understand. I hate when non-political youtubers I watch try to insert their politics into stuff. I do my best not to bring politics up, however, when the thing I'm reviewing has politics in it, or if the best example I can think of is a political example, I don't want to avoid the conversation. Certain episodes of Bojack get very political, so yes, I do need to address some of the elephants in the room.

[@cloudy772]

Shady Doorags Wow ok...really? You know what? ...just wow.

[@traxfish]

@@cloudy772 He's never going to forget that.

[@kentekuzan]

its frankly unrealistic to not expect politics to come up in situations that aren't explicitly political, and honestly ridiculous to expect it not to, because it permeates through different parts of our lives. however, I think the problem arises when it comes up in a non organic way, which is a problem with shows like bojack when they try to pander to 20-something white women for whom sexism is the only extant form of oppression.

[@themachine430]

Keep doing what you do man. I love your content! Don’t worry about getting too political, though. The show itself has politics in it, and not addressing certain important subtexts of this show would be a travesty.

[@jwf8107]

Oh I just got it maybe you are supposed to be disgusted by the second interview. It’s supposed to be a hard look on the toxicity of cancel culture.

[@cloud2440]

Why do so many people think that bojack dying is the better ending when it undercuts the message of the show? I mean it's more dramatic for him to die and that's good for story telling. But that goes against one of the main philosophies of the series in which we are accountable for our behavior and if we change our behavior from bad to good we must own up to our flaws and be better. Bojack killing himself sends the message that you can't actually change for the good and whatever negative behavior you do it's all you'll ever be. That's why the ending although isnt overly dramatic is the best ending because it shows that Bojack is going to try to be a good person again and that's all that anyone can do. Is try.

[@KaneK1234]

So the show tried to have its cake and eat it, too? Such a non-ending. There’s no closure. He just has to try. But with all the wheel spinning this show has made the audience endure... I assure you there’s no hope for a character like Bojack. Deservedly so. And that undermines any sense of consequences for what he’s done over the course of the series, particularly to Sarah Lynn, who didn’t deserve to die in the planetarium. BoJack fatally failed her, and his bubble of powerlessness and mutual addiction doesn’t excuse his choices. For 17 minutes, while she was dying, he deliberately waited and did nothing about it, because saving her wasn’t as important as making sure no one thought of him as a bad guy. Throughout the series’ six-season run, BoJack was offered too many chances to do right, and he failed to really take any of them. And yet the show gave him yet another shot at the end. It sent him off to jail for a short stint for breaking and entering his old house, but that’s a brief punishment, and it’s nothing in comparison to the lives he’s ruined.

[@cloud2440]

I disagree I think bojack wants to change so he has hope to do so because hes more aware and more accountable to his choices. We see this with his last talk to diane. She talks about his attempt to commit suicide and instead of making excuses for it he accepts the blame and shows remorse for his actions. Bojack has done a lot of bad things, but I'm not trying to excuse them. Though how much punishment should we give him? Society will always have a negative view of him. Hollyhock ended their connection. Its heavily implied that the conversation with diane on the roof will be the last interaction they had. What more should we do to bojack to satisfy you, when hes remorseful for his actions and is attempting to change?

[@kyrahmajor9272]

@@KaneK1234 I understand where your opinion is coming from; Bojack is a pretty despicable person who's done despicable things and should be punished for it, but in my opinion, the fall out from the interview and then being in prison was his punishment. I felt like all along, the show was trying to give us guidance on what to do, how to redeem yourself, and how to be "good". Bojack obviously isn't inherently good, Diane made that point in (i think) season 2, but he obviously wants to be good, or at least feel good about himself. Had he died, sure, it would've been justified based off of his acts, but it confuses the hell out of the portion of the audience who were watching his characters story in order to understand how to be better. Walter White in Breaking bad is a bad guy who did bad things and didn't want to be better. Throughout the run of the show, i got no philosophical message from any of the characters. What i got from it was that it was a story more-so than a message, so when (It's and old show, but still, spoilers) Walter dies, it's deserved. However, Bojack is a show that has a stronger message than it's story (although both are very good in the show) and more people related to Bojack than they did to Walter (at least in my opinion). My point is this; by having Bojack die, it would've made a good story, but to the people who want to redeem themselves and be better, it teaches them that they can't. Not only does it do that, but it shows that suicide is a viable option for personal redemption if they are having suicidal thoughts and hate themselves for their past actions. Reinforcing that kind of a message in a show that's well known to have a huge impact on people with mental illness is so destructive. I get that he's a bad guy and you want justice for the story, but when art is created it has a very real effect on the consumers, and i'm glad that the creators took that into account and made it a message that inspires hope instead of confirming depression.

[@tootermicluuuuetercte]

i really do agree, bojack is a dark show but i enjoyed the last episode, i'd rather keep the near death part in instead of him dying.

[@Panimal98]

@@kyrahmajor9272 Not to mention that dying is the easy way out. He wouldn't have to face his past. There wouldn't be justice, in the system. Look at how we reacted when Jeffrey Epstein suddenly died. You are responsible for your own actions, and should face the consequences.

[@blake4249]

Regardless of what we think of the finale, i think we can all agree that the creators of the show have great taste in music and have introduced all of us to some damn fine tunes

[@shayshayshayshayshayshayshay]

Take me down easy and parade have been on loop for weeks

[@vishaal1232]

@@shayshayshayshayshayshayshay Mr blue

[@shayshayshayshayshayshayshay]

Vishaal correct opinion

[@brianbread7698]

Agreed.

[@desereeboyer7555]

I will always think of you I see your face when each day is through.😿😭 😞

[@zinger73]

I feel that if bojack had just simply died it would have been the worst ending of the show, deep? Yes. realistic? Yes. But the creators knew how much this show meant to people with depression and anxiety. To have themselves represented. If he had died, what does that mean to those members of the audience? That nothing they try will work? His death could’ve had a message with the final episode being what he would have missed, but if it was just people missing him or living on without him, what’s the message if he isn’t there to present it?

[@martinmaguire-music6692]

I thought that if he'd died, that would've been 'too easy,' (as well as being too hopeless) like, life is much harder than death, but it's also filled with hope. Bojack didn't deserve death, because it would have come off like 'closure,' like a kind of Shakespearean tragedy. Instead, he's forced to keep on living in a world full of difficulties, but also hope. 'Sometimes life's a bitch, and then you keep on living.' That's how I read it, as someone who's attempted suicide, both directly, and by prolonged self-abuse, done so many stupid things, and then gotten over it (several times) only to be confronted with the question: 'ok, you're still here, you're ok, the world's still a pain in the arse, what do we do now?' You keep on living.

[@zinger73]

Martin A. Maguire - [Music] thank you!!! Im someone with similar past experiences with depression so I agree exactly!

[@Zaria_Dobbs]

I agree - I think Diane's last conversation was meant to show that - Bojack's death would have destroyed her, too.

[@jacobk6371]

I don’t know if it was the creators emphasis on the psyche of those with mental illness more so their proclivity to undercutting conventional story-telling. Most dramas would have ended with their main characters death as a form of catharsis, but in an attempt to subvert typical narratives they did the complete opposite.

[@shayshayshayshayshayshayshay]

Martin A. Maguire - [Music] fantastic response, man. Couldnt have said it better myself. A FINAL ending just doesnt work for this show.

[@etona6147]

I think Princess Carolyn was upset in the episode "xerox of a xerox" because Bojack stated that Sarah Lynn was the only one he truly loved, that Sarah Lynn was not like the other girls. This made PC feel like despite her never giving up on bojack, he actually didn't care about her as much. I dont think it was the pattern of abusing women that the interviewer mentioned that made PC walk away, it's the fact the bojack never appreciates her.

[@Steven9567]

that doesn't mean does not care about her though bojack was going though crap atm and well i guess he said it without thinking either way the whole thing was bad writing

[@Lwhale.3797]

Princess Caroline (to Bojack in Sunk Cost): “I have loved you for 25 years” Bojack (in 2nd Braxby interview): “Sarah Lynn wasn’t like those other girls. I loved Sarah Lynn!” Bojack (to PC afterwards) “We dated for, like, 7 years.” I 100% see why PC was acting super weird and concerned around Bojack after the Braxby interview. It wasn’t the accusations. It was the feeling like the love she felt was nowhere near valued or reciprocated by Bojack.

[@andreacigala2709]

There's that and more. PC was already uncomfortable with Bojack doing a second interview, saying he shouldn't milk it too much. Wasn't PC there when Bojack strangled Gina? Hasn't she just found out the truth about Sara Lynn? Hasn't she herself suffered from Bojack's behaviour? Of course she's the one who's always turned a blind eye on him and cynically done her job, but isn't it plausible that even to her sometimes what Bojack does is too much and she might not like being on his side?

[@treceh]

If you rewatch the scene with Bojack saying Sarah Lynn was different, PC flinches and mentally has to debate whether any of what Bojack has told her in the past was true. We’d seen before that in Best Thing That Ever Happened, he feels no loyalty to her after 23 years once the chance of him getting an Oscar by him leaving PC’s company comes up. She had every right to distance herself from him and still manages to help him periodically, even when he doesn’t deserve it.

[@curranfrank2854]

@@treceh I just re-watched that scene, and yeah you're totally right. Nice observation, I guess I kind of missed it the first time

[@mayalucia5915]

dude this is great.

[@leephillips4402]

Fred D. Yes, thank you. I don't think we were ever supposed to think braxby was in the right, she went to Dr Champ to get dirt on Bojack that was unethical AF. And as funny as they were, Paige and Max were terrible people who clearly didn't care about the people they interview and the negative emotions they stirred up as long as they got their story. They were wrong for vilifying Bojack, I don't think we were ever meant to believe they weren't but Bojack allowed them to vilify him through years of self destructive behaviour and in his desperation to defend himself, he pretty much announced that he never cared about Princess Carolyn, that was my takeaway.

[@andreacigala2709]

Let's talk Biscuit. The beauty of that episode is that Biscuit IS obviously presented in a negative light: she and her programme are cynical, manipulative, fake. We know that she doesn't care, she's only doing it for her career. And yet, what she says is not wrong. Bojack did have a problem with abusing his power against women, and was refusing to take responsibility for it. We also see how Bojack's hubris was responsible for this: his first interview went well, he had dodged the bullet and could have stopped there like PC advised. But no, since he was getting popularity points from playing the victim of his own mistakes, he decides to do another one. He was literally trying to profit off Sara Lynn's death. The first interview was not just "starting a conversation", it was legitimising, even romanticising or glamourising the aggressor. It played no positive role in Bojack's "redemption" path. So the beauty of this episode is that both interviews were equally bad, both manipulative in opposite ways.

[@krcprc]

I tend to agree with the video. BoJack using power over women is missing the point. He's not enjoying having power over women or anyone, he's just a coward and he doesn't care. The first interview was not best at showing the whole truth about him, but the second was even worse and completely denounced BoJack in a way even he didn't deserve. I liked that episode because it showed how outrage culture and toxic society can be damaging to people who want to change. Yeah, it is nice to bring someone down and "feel the justice", but in this case it made Bojack go back to his bad habits that could possibly hurt someone. Yeah, saying the interview would not be responsible for his actions is technically right, but the mindset of whoever says that isn't amazing.

[@radiocoffee7700]

@@krcprc I think the power imbalance I'm Bojack's relationships works as a form of 'unreliable narrator' where he didn't bother to consider that. Also, drawing off personal experience, men who share Bojack's bad qualities due to tend to have something against women, whatever form that mysoginy takes. I agree Bojack is a coward who doesnt care.

[@federicouliseslopez406]

@@fossfox Everyone is so fixated in vengeance. Justice is a form of organized vengeance. We should just care about what good does an action brings. If by letting Bojack finish his journey without bringing to públic light all the shit he has done we could make sure he doesn't harm anyone else and keeps on his path of redemption, shouldn't we just let it go? If by making him an enemy of the people and the villain means he goes back to his old habits and keeps hurting people, shouldn't we prevent that? I'd rather have a guilty person free and make sure more people are happy by that choice than a guilty one facing the consquences and bringing more suffering overall. ¿What do you think?

[@onlydebz]

@@fossfox this is such an amazingly excellent comment (all of your comments, actually). Thank you to putting this all so eloquently. I remember years ago reading bojack reddit threads about the show and I was taken aback by the amount of people who related to BJ personally and they were taking part in a circle jerk of self-sympathy. They talked about how terribly they treat the people, especially women, in their lives with no mention of them changing, and other redditors were giving them a pat on the back that it’s going to be okay. Bob-Waksberg recognised this response to his show and turned up the “accountability” aspect to 100 because his show absolutely was not a place for people who have done wrong to seek solace in the main character while doing no critical thinking or reflecting or plan to change. Those that call for BJ to not be held accountable or wanted him to die in an epic “iconic” way devoid of facing his consequences, show me that they deify him/ his toxicity and prefer he avoid accountability (like many men in his profession and position have done previously.)

[@onlydebz]

@@fossfox yes that’s exactly what they’re doing. They’re diminishing the actual point of the character to be a fanboy to their toxic representation. It’s totally a slap in the face to writers. But that’s why I love the way the writers kept pushing this as the main theme. There’s no way in hell they were going to let bojack die after funnelling accountability and after Diane’s iconic quote “I don’t think there’s a good deep down, I think you’re as good as the things you do”. The fact some people can watch 6 entire seasons of this show and still think that is rather worrying.

[@bluebutterfly5062]

I agree the second interview was sort of villanizing Bojack instead of being neutral, but i think showing us Biscuits motives was designed to prove your point. When you try to shut someone down and label them instead of actually having a conversation, it just spirals into more negativity (shown in Horny Unicorn). It felt like a very real commentary on today's cancel culture and how people will do/say amoral things just to be on the "right" side of the conversation

[@williameyelash8053]

Yeees exactly it goes both ways, it shows how Buscuits intentions were selfish and that she wanted to destroy him, but still on this blatant character assasination she brings up good points on Bojack, makes Princess Carolyn *finally* realize that sticking with Bojack (and covering his ass) is bad for her. I mean it was framed to be an unfair interview I think as an audience member we werent suppose to fully agree with Buscuits but to see that 1: Bojack hasn't truly completely changed since he brought this to himself accepting the second interview feeding his ego. And 2: Neither Buscuits nor Bojack are the villans in this situation, at least not completely they're both wrong and fake. So I know what I'm saying is maybe a mess but I really like how they handle this seems realistic.

[@andreacigala2709]

All this is true but it's also true the opposite: the first interview was legitimising and even glamourising the aggressor. We see how Bojack was getting popularity from the first interview and wanted to go on because he was enjoying it. He literally was profiting from the Sara Lynn's story and that's what the first interview did. So yes second interview bad and manipulative but also first interview bad and manipulative.

[@JimmySteller]

@@williameyelash8053 I actually did side with Biscuit during the second interview. Bojack's actions were incredibly cruel and cold, and for all his attempts to reform, he was immediately ready to capitalize on the goodwill he'd earned, just as Andrea pointed out. And consider the bombshell Biscuit dropped in this interview. Imagine waiting 17 minutes while someone you loved is dying of an overdose, and all you're thinking about is covering your own tracks out of self-preservation. The showrunners hinted that Diane was right when she pointed out that the other shoe was going to drop, and Bojack was willing to do anything to avoid it, even throwing Sharona under the bus during the interview when he'd tried to make things right with her. The truth set Bojack free, however. He was only able to truly move on and try to be better after the truth about his role in Sarah Lynn's death was revealed. I'm glad he found some measure of peace in the final episode, and I'm glad he didn't die, because that wouldn't have solved anything, but he needed a comeuppance for all the pain he caused to other people in his life.

[@Bee-of9uu]

I agree with this completely. I don't think it was ever intended to be something you agree with, you're supposed to be uncomfortable. I actually think it was one of the best episodes. I didn't even remember Sarah Lynn having sex with Bojack and her death wasn't a huge surprise to me but the impact came from how that affected him moving forward, imo. Not because that's what I should think, but because they criticise society by showing things for what they are, not because they are trying to make you feel a certain way or even like it

[@rjgraddy11]

That’s not what I got. What I got was 2 things. That even when he does try to do good, he still suffers. Just saying sorry isn’t good enough. There are actual consequences. Albeit self inflicted, he doesn’t truly lose everything until that instance. In which case, there’s nothing to really make us believe that he won’t go back into the same pattern. The 2nd is that it sets up the finale perfectly with PC. He says that her knowing he’s guilty by panning to her ruins her character, but it’s part of the growth. It’s her epiphany moment. It’s the moment she realizes he can’t be in her life anymore, which is how the finale is set up and the reason why it makes sense. And it does make sense for her character to think that, too. I mean, her big thing is also women empowerment in Hollywoo and how they’re underrepresented. Yes, she sticks by by Bojack, but her drive and career have been about women’s rights. It’s a moral dilemma for her. She just ultimately chooses Biscuits’ side (which is understandable)

[@vaultshadow]

perhaps princess carolyn stopped supporting bojack a bit because she was hurt to hear that he said that he only cared about sarah lynn after she said she loved him

[@ShadyDoorags]

I thought this when watching, but completely forgot about it when writing this review.

[@vaultshadow]

@@ShadyDoorags but also making it look he neither cared about charlotte, penny, wanda, gina, diane and all his ex lovers

[@vaultshadow]

@@ShadyDoorags hollyhock would feel unconfortable with this because he got laid with sarah lynn despite he said he loved like a daughter, remembering when she thought she was bojack's daughter, plus knowing he didn't took SL to the hospital right away, she didn't wanted to trust her life to bojack

[@ManoVeneza]

I think it was more that she realized how much damage her defending him actually did. By trying to save him every time he was facing heat she created a cycle of enabling his abusive behaviour that she didn't even realize existed until she had every single mistake BJ had done spelled out in front of him and all he did was gloat about his performance and how he was probably get away unpunished. She noticed that as long as they work together and she keeps doing it, neither of them are ever gonna get better, and so she did the smart thing and kept her distance to focus on herself, the best thing she did the entire series.

[@vaultshadow]

@@ManoVeneza how would she do that while still caring about bojack? he almost killed himself because his morale was so low and his morale is still low granted he got a role as a dead soldier in birthday dad just because PB still didn't abandoned him and vance would produce a movie of him because they are the scum of hollywoob

[@haileerolofson9495]

Bojack did NOT have to die for the ending to be impactful. Drama/intensity =\= impact. I could write an essay about that but I’ll just leave it at that

[@hkazu63]

I think some people think that BoJack dying would be a wakeup call for people who relate to BoJack. I don’t think it would be. I think its finality would be incredibly hurtful to those people. I think it would say that you can try all you want to improve and get better, but in the end, you’re just going to self destruct and lead you to your death. As a person with extreme depression and problems with suicidal ideations, I feel that that would ultimately lead me to a point where I no longer see the point in trying and only worsen my issues, to the point where I would probably lapse into suicidal thoughts again. I genuinely believe that BoJack dying would result in certain viewers of the show making attempts on their lives.

[@hariman7727]

I've been through a lot of shit in my life. Getting up again and continuing forward is my superpower. Bojack getting up an trying again is thd better ending.

[@jakkul26]

But showing what everyone does in the wake of his death would've been impactful. I'm glad it didn't end that way because I like the messaging better the way the show is even if the last episode leaves something to be desired. But the other way could've led to some interesting commentary and character development too.

[@Butterism]

Good Damage has to be my all time favorite episode of Bojack Horseman. The message hit me so hard. Like Diane, I want to write a book one day that connects to people, to make them feel less alone, but when I try to put it on paper...nothing. I especially loved the point where she couldn't bring up any "real examples" of her father's abuse.The small one she produced felt like she was overreacting to something small. I always had the impression that the damage I went through in my life was good damage. That I would have something amazing and poetic to show for it. Coming to terms that sometimes damage is just damage, hurts. Funny enough, I find it a lot easier to work on my fantasy novel than anything about my life. Like I said, this episode hit deep.

[@kdoesthings12D3]

I believe that u can write a book and do whatever you want to do Like she said in season one "It's never too late to be the person you want to be"

[@ZizYoubizHERE]

aw.. sending you love. i relate.

[@amberwilson7292]

I am the exact same way! I believe in you ❤ I always had a love for writing and I feel like I could help out a lot of people I went through a lot as a kid, but I never know to go about it :(

[@jessbian3385]

Im shocked you missed one of the huge conversations starters in Angela. It reveals that Angela herself is gay. This reveal mixed with the recollection of her actions against Herb is a huge bombshell of implications on the grander story. I think this would be an amazing small video topic.

[@andrewfinch76]

Holy shit, I totally missed that!

[@bramsteenhoek2674]

Wait when did she say that?

[@hbluemole6941]

@@bramsteenhoek2674 she says her wife won't let her drive the car

[@Shadow-zf5uc]

@@hbluemole6941 that and her line about Eisner being understanding and the implication of her co-workers line about how people don't think she, "understands families."

[@egg_bun_]

Wait, what????

[@WhenCornAttacks]

Bojack and Diane going separate ways actually helped me get through a separation I was struggling to deal with at the time the finale came out. It helped me realize that I can hold onto good memories with someone but realize when I don’t need them in my life anymore. It’s not even a particularly sad moment or bittersweet. It’s just two people going “I wish you the best” and leaving it at that. That’s going to stick with me for a very long time. And that alone made up for my frustrations at the writing choices near the middle of the season.

[@MsLPSFOREVER]

Her line about people only being in our lives for a short time was powerful. It got me.

[@keegan112099]

I still dont really understand the people saying Bojack should have died. What was it all for if he died? To me his personal development was what kept me invested. Seeing him take his own life feels like it would have been a mean spirited end to a show that to me has always been about mental health and personal development. Maybe I'm biased. I've fought hard with depression and I found the show during one of my first major depressive episodes. So a major thing that cemented the show in my eyes was seeing this awful, alcoholic jerk get become better. Because if he could so could I. Now as a 20 year old no longer living at home, a major source of the trauma that lead me down that path of depression seeing that Bojack did get better as a person was incredibly cathartic and great to see on an emotional level for me. I also loved the fact that Diane chose to distance herself. It kind of speaks to the reality of what depression does to your relationships. If let it take over you can and will push the people you love away and as sad as it sounds sometimes losing those people can be the wakeup call you need. To me watching the finale, you see that Bojack has improved as a person but as we see earlier in the season he can sometimes slip back into old Bojack. He went through the personal development and losing Diane is what will keep him on the path of personal development.

[@hermionegrangerwannabe9482]

I agree, Bojack dying would have been the easy way out. To truly become better he had to face the consequences of his actions. Him living is better for his character development than him dying.

[@TheJavapup]

Yeah if bojack died it would have destroyed the whole meaning of what the show was. Things happen and you keep living. When you are alive you have the chance to change, but when you're dead you can't. You just are gone with nothing changed.

[@Frandaman84]

I mean he dies eventually like everyone else. Its all for nothing. Or its all for everything. Its all personal perspective. You think theyll remember Bob Saget in 100 years? That doesnt mean it was all for nothing

[@KaneK1234]

Is there anybody who likes this show that IS NOT DEPRESSED?! Jesus Christ. And also he should’ve died. That’s realistic. Coming from someone who has never been depressed but has worked in a prison... people who do things as bad as Bojack usually end their lives. And deservedly so. And that undermines any sense of consequences for what he’s done over the course of the series, particularly to Sarah Lynn, who didn’t deserve to die in the planetarium. BoJack fatally failed her, and his bubble of powerlessness and mutual addiction doesn’t excuse his choices. For 17 minutes, while she was dying, he deliberately waited and did nothing about it, because saving her wasn’t as important as making sure no one thought of him as a bad guy. Throughout the series’ six-season run, BoJack was offered too many chances to do right, and he failed to really take any of them. And yet the show gave him yet another shot at the end. It sent him off to jail for a short stint for breaking and entering his old house, but that’s a brief punishment, and it’s nothing in comparison to the lives he’s ruined.

[@keegan112099]

@@KaneK1234 My history has nothing to do with my opinion of the ending. I watched this show for 6 years. Him dying is an anti climax. That's good for a movie or a one season series. Not 6 seasons of pointless character development. The end of the show subverts your expectations and comes out of it with a more complex feeling than if he were to have died. Its not a death and an end that cuts to credits. Its messier. He has to eventually confront what he did and finally really see the hurt hes caused in a far more permanent way by losing Diane for good. He doesn't get a tragic celebrity death where people mourn him and immortalize him like hes wanted from the start of the show. He has to keep on living and live with the shitty things he did. I find it funny that you say its realistic and go on to justify that to me by trying to convince me he deserved to die. Fiction would be a boring place if every story went with the most likely scenario. It feels like you watched the show and only paid attention the last few episodes of every season

[@felipeaps2057]

I understand why you don´t like Princess Carolyn ending up with Judah, yeah I don't buy it, that is not "love" but when you're older as Princess Carolyn is and the love of your live (Bojoack) is not healthy for you, I can totally understand why you chose to love yourself and make the most reasonable choice, the healthier one, the choice of maybe not ending with the one you love the most, but ending with the one that will make you happier in the ways you want to be happy, in this case joining work with parenthood. That's why princess Carolyn chose Judah

[@gothicMCRgirl]

I mean, she basically admits as much, right? When she’s talking to Bojack, she essentially confessed that he’s the love of her life, and that in some ways, that sort of love will never go away. She’s always going to have feelings for him because they just knew each other for so long, how couldn’t she? However, love isn’t a straight, narrow line. There’s no “limit” to how much you can love. Even if the relationship with Judah did seem out of left field, we’ve seen throughout the show how compatible they are, how they just seem to know what the other needs. It’s a different kind of love than what Princess Carolyn had with Bojack, but it’s still love regardless. It’s a quiet, calm type of love, the kind that Princess Carolyn needs, considering how hectic the rest of her life is.

[@baphy643]

Exactly! Princess Carolyn did not need the love Bojack would have offered, she tried for years, and was left empty. Judah gave her a feeling of acceptance, admiration, uplifting, and ultimate love. The love that may not be this crazy, hollywoo passion - but one that last years and years.

[@diy_cat9817]

Spot on. Judah was so good for her. He listened, helped not only without being asked, but just HELPED. Bojack always made PC's life harder. I didn't think PC loved Judah, either, but she knew he was the person she needed. And he wanted to be that. Unlike Bojack.

[@diersteinjulien6773]

I think there's another aspect to that. Princess Carolyn loves BoJoack. Deeply. The show never failed to prove how much they care for each other. But a good chunk of it is not "love" love. It's "motherly" love. Princess is, to a large extent, the mother figure BoJack never had. Heck, you can argue that Princess is the central mother figure of the whole show, not just on her later themes being centered around actual motherhood, but how she acts all along, her love relationships, and what her job is. And at the end of the show, that position and that kind of love isn't compactible with what she wants at that point in her life. Does Judah loves her? The guy is hard to read, but he probably is, since he's proven to be 100% consistently sincere all along. Does *she* love him? She doesn't hate him, that's for sure, and she appreciated his work ethics and all. Was he the right choice for her? I believe so. Princess wasn't looking for another prince to have a passionate love story. She was looking for a father for her children. That may have been what she was looking for all along.

[@jakkul26]

I actually think Princess Carolyn does love Judah. And I disagree they have no chemistry throughout the show. It's just that the chemistry they have doesn't come off in a traditional, romantic kind of way. And they're both married to their work so why would it come off that way? Frankly, they're perfect for each other if you ask me and it was kind of nice to see them end up together.

[@fervcorsica3358]

I did not know antidepressants were known as "goofberries" lol

[@Skyisgoingbacktopluto]

I love the term GOOFBERRIES!!!

[@mellowbirddreamer77]

It didn't get the perfect ending because it was rushed given an unexpected cancellation. They did okay under the circumstances.

[@zinger73]

mellowbirddreamer77 he should have acknowledged that

[@ShadyDoorags]

23:30

[@zinger73]

Shady Doorags thank you! I’m so sorry I missed that!

[@CeCeHoran22]

I commented on a BoJack fan acct post, talking about how it’s funny that the show was cancelled after they unionized and the chick went OFF on me and said it’s not true... but I think you can tell it was rushed and they left quite a bit out of the story.

[@zinger73]

Celeste Cornelius for sure. So much could’ve been put in. That one season felt like two different ones squished together. However, just to me, it felt real in the way that life moves fast and so does news.

[@vaultshadow]

did you noticed that bojack's eyes dilated when beatrice was eaten by the tar? he was genuinely dreaded for her and wanted her to be safe and in peace, perhaps bojack is battling between his atheism vs his desperation to believe in astral planes and reincarnation, i dont want to slam into anyone's beliefs but hollywood put atheists as arrogants who don't believe just to feel smarter than their peers also that herb mentioned bojack as star of horsin around, secretariat, bojack horseman show, philbert and horny unicorn, son of beatrice and butterscotch, husband of noone, father of noone that we know of, piece of shit. perhaps because of his regret of never having a family of his own and he didn't said brother of hollyhock, but why didn't he imagined joseph and honey?

[@vaultshadow]

@Matthew J Sodaro crackerjack was there and never met him, bojack imagined him as a war hero

[@orvalinaaugusta2903]

One of the reasons I found View from Half Way Down such a beautiful episode is that it addresses death as something emotional, and at the same time being atheist about it. Whenever we see an atheist opinions on death it’s always portrayed in the same boring way: you just die, there’s nothing else. Bojack Horseman does something very different. Only because we don’t believe in a superior plan, it doesn’t mean we, atheists, do not have an opinion or an interpretation of what death might be.

[@vaultshadow]

@@orvalinaaugusta2903 im catholic but open minded to all posibilities, inclining a bit to agnostic, actually many atheist do believe in afterlife but they believe is part of the cosmic order and not because a magic old man says so, im really getting tired of atheists stomping in other faiths just to feel smarter glenn quagmire to brian griffin: by the way driving a prius doesn't make you jesus christ, oh wait you don't believe in jesus christ, neither in other religions because you say religion is for idiots

[@sketchyjulia]

eric tatemura BoJack implies Beatrice brought Crackerjack up a lot and even compared him to BoJack, he was the essentially the only man in her life that didn’t screw her over, so that’s probably why BoJack imagined him, although he did make Crackerjack out to be not as heroic as his mom probably did, as the Crackerjack in his dream didn’t liberate any concentration camps and only had friendly fire kills, this probably isn’t true because how would anyone in his family really know that unless one of his war friends talked about him, or BoJack couldn’t imagine any one in his family not being a screw up. In The Old Sugarman Place BoJack does mention his grandfather, but he doesn’t say he spent the summers with them. I’d imagine Joseph’s only role in the Horseman family was Butterscotch’s boss, it’s kinda implied he disowned Beatrice

[@vaultshadow]

@@sketchyjulia that's what i kept saying, joseph disowned her after running away with a loser rascal that didn't gave him the heir he wanted

[@punisherrorschach27]

I still disagree with your take on HH cutting BJ out in an "unfair" manner. I feel your opinion is more nuanced here, but even while talking about the interview (and yes, Biscuits was scummy in her own right), you neglect to mention that BJ purposefully agreed to the second interview based on the catharsis of attention he received from the first. The first interview was pure spin but the second one where BJ is asked to answer for his problematic behavior, the fault is mostly that of Biscuit's? And for that matter, it's not fair that HH cuts him out based on the antics of these two interviews and what she learned from Pete prior? I remember a similar type of phenomena in Breaking Bad where fans would call Skyler down for trying to disrupt Walt's pursuit of the "empire business". It's like following the character growth of the central character biases people into thinking said character is exceptional and deserves a happy ending or more consideration than what they're given when the point is that changing for the good or having gifted qualities does not exempt you from judgement for your toxic qualities. You may not think it was fair that HH cut him out the way she did, but BJ did not do himself any favors by trying to spin himself as virtuous for the damage he caused. That's not true accountability, that's superficial virtue signaling akin to his "feminism is bae" statement. BJ's actions are not HH's to answer for and writing that letter kept her at a safe distance. She does not owe him that grace. I agree that the season was a little undercooked in some respects (e.g., I don't know how people ship Judah and PC when it happened so fast), but this is one of the finer plot points to Bojack Horseman in addition to the show's ending. It teaches you that being better doesn't mean escaping your consequences through death or by getting clean. It's how you answer for what you've done and how you reconcile that with the good person you want to be. If you refuse to own yourself truthfully warts and all, then it's hard to truly change as a person and you'll come to repeat the same mistakes. That's my take anyway. I have thoroughly enjoyed your analysis on this series for how it has helped me think about the show on a deeper level in spite of how I disagree.

[@losisd3ad]

I agree, I feel like shady missed the message the show was tryna put out

[@kevinmccabe3984]

True. I also think PC was more mad that he didn’t take her advice about not taking the interview than about anything Bojack did

[@hbluemole6941]

People shipped PC and Judah before season 6 already. That's why they end up together, felt like fan service. Yes it's rushed but only because it was the last season. Of course a lot of things are rushed when you're suddenly cancelled: Mr. Peanutbutters Growth, Guy's son, Charlotte & Penny and more

[@jakkul26]

The problem isn't that the interview is entirely undeserved. The problem is that the way Biscuits acts cheapens Bojack having to face his problems. Because of how Biscuits ends up getting convinced to do the interview as a hit piece and how she conducts herself during it, it's easy for me to feel like Bojack being defensive is justified. Which you could even argue it is for some of the interview. I was set up to know a fall was coming but it wasn't satisfying because it ignored so much that he needed to answer for while cornering him over things that were miscontextualized. He deserved the interview and worse. But it wasn't satisfying because it failed to hold him responsible for things that needed more attention in favor of painting this grander picture of him grooming young girls. Which is adjacent to the truth but a stretch when put that way. And then tacking on "17 minutes" out of nowhere. Which I'm guessing was an artistic choice to make the audience feel shocked and cornered but because of how fast and ridiculous the interview was, it didn't hit me as hard as it should have. They should have built up to that reveal or at least had it happen in a more impactful way.

[@vaultshadow]

i thought peanutbutter would feel guilty he ratted on bojack

[@kimvanfelton3413]

Don't think he realized that's what he did

[@epicphail2926]

Kim VanFelton Agreed

[@DIYFashHair]

Hi Shady, Thanks for posting your thoughts, I always love to hear your analysis on Bojack! I would like to challenge you on your opinion about the Biscuits interview. Personally, I think that interview finally saw justice for Bojack. I think getting too cought up on why Biscuit asked those questions is besides the point. We all were expecting it to go badly the first time around anyways, even Bojak. He said himself he was ready to face the consequences too. But, we realize he didn’t really mean it. This is because he never has faced the consequences of his actions on his personal image, therefore he had no idea what that looked like. When the interview didn’t go south, it furthered his belief that no matter what, the public will always love him. This symbolized his last addiction to fame, admiration, and constant validation from others for his self worth. Yes, he had come so far after rehab and we were all rooting for him. Yes, he tried to make amends, but at the end of the day he always had fame. To truly be a better person, he needed to stop depending on others for his self worth, and himself. That’s why I thought the second interview was necessary. (Also like he did a whole shit bag of horrific moves but I’ll refrain from making this post that long lol). Let me know what you think! I’d love to hear your thoughts.

[@nihaarikasingh9524]

What really annoys me about Shady's thoughts on Braxby is that he himself doesn't believe that for a deed to be good it has to have good motivation behind it. We can infer that from his video about Sebastian St. Claire. And yet we can see him have such strong opinions about Braxby. And while I agree that Bojack is a terrible person to everyone and not just women, it would be extremely ignorant to forget that he can have a certain advantage over women that he won't have over men. Honestly Shady, you've come off as a huge Bojack apologist in the last few videos. You being upset is coming out of nowhere

[@DIYFashHair]

Nihaarika Singh I think that is what is amazing about this show. Yes, I agree Shady has been sympathetic but it’s because we are in age of anti-hero tv/cinema. We are willing to accept the shittiness of these characters because they know they are terrible people. The reason why we can’t treat Bojack the same is because he thinks he is still a good person. That’s the distinction. We were willing to make exceptions for him each episode but during that final interview, it was the first time we heard all of the horrible things Bojack did in a matter of minutes. For the viewers in the show and us, it was finally the tipping point where we all saw Bojack as he is, not what he could be and was trying to become. For me, as much as I find Bojack entertaining and fun, I think he deserved that fate. We needed to stop loving Bojack and let him go. We needed to stop giving him support so he could finally become a better person. I think Shady still had hope Bojack was finally deemed a good person, and that interview ruined his chances to be better. In actuality, if Bojack was good, he wouldn’t have accepted the second interview.

[@nihaarikasingh9524]

@@DIYFashHair I agree with you completely. In fact, most anti-heroes we see aren't that self aware either. Those shows haven't shown the main character struggle with their ideals as much as Bojack. He shows remorse for his actions and struggles with his guilt. Even though he's not met with any consequences until the last season, we feel like he's struggled. That's unlike most anti-heroes we see in tv/cinema (Eg. Walter White in Breaking Bad). They do one terrible thing and never look back. Bojack can be seen dealing with his shame between the many terrible things he's done. And that's what sets him apart. We've set the bar so low for them to be let off the hook that Bojack inevitably facing his consequences seems too harsh.

[@calvinboucher5741]

The View From Halfway Down was just... ethereal... It felt like the entire series was building up to it. I really miss this show. Btw can you do a full review on Star Vs. The Forces of Evil? I wanna know your thoughts on the finale.

[@curranfrank2854]

I don't really get what he was talking about when he said the show hints it agrees with Biscuits, and that he only hates the second interview. You're supposed to be uncomfortable with both interviews. The first creates a narrative of Bojack as an apologetic victim, bringing up his upbringing, downplaying his negative actions, and emphasizing how sorry it is. This narrative is based on truth but it's highly distorted. I felt uncomfortable after it because of how positive the public reacted to Bojack after what he's done, and Bojack's celebratory reaction. The second is essentially a hit piece, emphasizing his actions and distorting them to create an easy story focused on Bojack hurting women. I was uncomfortable after that one as well, because it wasn't a fair perspective, and it's revealed that Dr. Champ just blabbed everything that Bojack confided in him to the press, which pissed me off a lot. However, all of the things that Biscuits brought up in the interview were true, if sometimes distorted. The show isn't trying to get the audience to agree only with the second interview. Both present a limited version of Bojacks life to create a story, like Shad said, but then he just went into hating the second interview. Also, while Shad is correct that the first interview is more accurate to the current Bojack, he's operating from the perspective of someone watching the show, where Bojack is the main character. We know he likely won't revert back to his negative actions, but how are the people in the show supposed to know that?

[@BLUEBEATLE001]

He wont reply dude

[@curranfrank2854]

@@BLUEBEATLE001 I didn't expect him to

[@shirabe64]

This very well puts it into words. Especially your end point. That’s why I was filled with so much dread as the second interview went on, knowing he was going to lose so much after trying to be better. I’d hoped he’d be confronted about certain things so he could address it with Hollyhock and maybe even Gina, but instead everyone saw all the ugliness dredged up without any inclination he didn’t want to be that person anymore.

[@davidkuklin995]

Very fair

[@markdlo]

To be fair Dr. Champ spilling the beans can be put down to Bojack's action yet again as he left him without help when he relapsed because of Bojack. Otherwise I agree with your points.

[@JimmySteller]

I disagree with your view on "Xerox of a Xerox." What Bojack did was horrific. He basically let Sarah Lynn die so that he could save himself. The emphasis on those 17 minutes was entirely necessary. Before then, I hadn't really considered all the implications of what Bojack did. Call it "panic mode" but what he did was a criminal act, to a young woman he claimed to love. You yourself have talked about all the ways in which Bojack contributed to Sarah Lynn's decline as a person, and then this episode really hammered in just what a monstrous final act Bojack committed. And yes, Bojack DOES have power over women, and he has consistently taken advantage of his fame to sleep with women and then callously cut them out of his life. We've seen it across the series, but because it was played up for comedy and wacky hijinks, it never felt quite as uncomfortable as if you actually knew someone like that in real life. If you were told that someone in your life slept with a woman he'd known since she was 3 and he'd been a father figure towards, you would find it hard to wrap your head around that without coming to some dark conclusions. For my part, I was stunned by "Xerox of a Xerox" and I had to pause the episode like you, but not out of anger. I paused it out of amazement at what a powerful comeuppance Bojack finally got. He finally got the punishment he deserved; having all his dirtiest laundry aired out for the world to see. It's the same punishment I dreamed of watching Walter White suffer when I sat through "Breaking Bad" or when I watched "Boss" and wished everyone on that show suffered for their cruelty and selfishness. And if that sounds cold, consider that Bojack immediately tried throwing Sharona under the bus when he suspected that she had been the one to talk about that first incident with Sarah Lynn and alcohol. He was just as quick to throw other people into the line of fire during the interview as he was when he was standing outside the planetarium, waiting for a sufficient amount of time to pass before he could call the cops to save the woman he supposedly loved. No matter how much I sympathised with him, Bojack needed a comeuppance for all the horrid things he did. And really, that's what the show was constantly dealing with: retribution and rehabilitation, and what sort of balance is healthy in our society and its treatment of criminals. Bojack was a criminal, and his actions resulted directly to the death of Sarah Lynn. The old expression 'The truth shall set you free' is an accurate one. Bojack was only able to properly move forward after the truth came out. If he'd confessed on the night of Sarah Lynn's death, he'd have suffered, but he would have gotten leeway and more of a chance to redeem himself. He still gets the chance to redeem himself at the end of this series after his prison sentence, but look at what he had to endure for his concealment of the truth! That's what infuriated me more than his involvement in Sarah Lynn's death. His cover-up and his fleeing the consequences at the cost of anyone else in his life. That warranted a comeuppance, and Bojack got it.

[@lilicalicia]

don’t get me wrong i absolutely love bojack but what u just said couldn’t be more right, the second interview was the best thing that could’ve happened to him, without it he would just feel like his a powerless victim of his own choices again and at some point would’ve gone back to his old ways, losing all progress he made on the last season. yeah, it was really hard to watch and i felt angry bc i also thought she was manipulating the audience like the video said, but it was harsh so that we as the audience could not only realize how bojack’s awful actions that we laughed at in earlier seasons were actually really problematic like him sleeping with sarah lynn, but also for us to see that he hasn’t totally changed yet since he waited to call the ambulance when sarah lynn overdosed just bc he didn’t want to get in trouble.

[@JimmySteller]

Alicia Vitale And think of this: Bojack, still in the middle of a drug-fuelled bender, had to calculate the correct amount of time it would take for him to drive from his house to the planetarium. He didn’t just panic, he actively planned and executed his alibi with precision. It makes all his guilt over Sarah Lynn’s death across the show feel completely justified when we’d previously just assumed he was feeling survivor’s guilt. Now we have to rewatch all those episodes where he feels suicidally bad and realize he was entirely justified in feeling so miserable because he WAS responsible for her death, not just in an abstract way.

[@camdonking1919]

Bojack didn't use his fame to manipulate women into sleeping with him. They slept with him because he was famous and is extremely charming. There's a distinct difference.

[@JimmySteller]

camdon king I never meant to say that he forced or manipulated women. I said he took advantage of his fame to sleep with many women and then he cut them out of his life without a thought to how it would affect them. It’s played up for laughs in episodes where Ethan claims that Bojack broke up his parents’ marriage, how he slept with the gaffer’s wife on his own show, and that’s before even mentioning the episode where Bojack goes to all the women he slept with in 1999 to try and find Hollyhock’s biological mother. Their reactions to him are used for dark comedy, but just consider it without the frame of comedy. Bojack even emulates his father by giving these women fake phone numbers and would rather deflect and do mental backflips than own up to the fact that he basically abandoned them after he’d had his orgasm. The only time he comes close to caring is when he has sex with Emily and realizes that it will hurt Todd if he finds out. And even then, Bojack only cares when he’s the one receiving consequences (aka Todd cutting ties with him).

[@camdonking1919]

@@JimmySteller ah my bad

[@michaelmarrinan9981]

14:18 i dont think the show firmly took the interviewers side. It almost played like a twist to me, i never saw bojack as harmful to women any more than he is to men, but here he is shown the exact same way many real celebrities have been. In real like I never have a second thought about them, they're simply scumbags, but but seeing bojack under this scrutiny knowing he could put out some kind of defense really made me conflicted. The pattern is real, she didnt lie about anything, we know bojack is toxic and all the people watching cant see him defend himself, but does he deserve a defense? This isnt exactly clear but I guess what im saying is seeing a character i know to have fixed his behaviour in a position i saw as beyond forgiveness was interesting to say the least

[@zinger73]

Michael Marrinan yeah, I just feel like Shady defends bojack a lot instead of looking to another perspective.

[@michaelmarrinan9981]

@@zinger73 yeah, its like i get that he wants to hear everyone out and bojack doesnt get that chance, but if he were a real person who got that chance id still hate him

[@jng5252]

I have to disagree with you about what you said, about Bojack dying making a better ending. While I totally understand why you and so many others could see it this way, what gets me is that in living, he now has to own up to his mistakes and do better. The main message this show seems to have attempted to drive in, time and time again, is that your actions do have consequences. One way or another, you'll have to live with what you have done. Were Bojack to die, that message would almost feel invalidated. And in discussing closure, the way I see it is this: sometimes, you don't get the closure you so desperately want. It's a hard pill to swallow, and in life, as people, we're not always going to get closure. I'll admit, I'm disappointed we didn't get closure with the other characters. Gina, Penny and Charlotte, Paige and Max... I would have liked to have seen what came of them, but they simply aren't a part of Bojack's life anymore, and we won't always get closure. I totally get where you're coming from and I respect your opinion, this is just my own personal take on it.

[@destructioniscreation]

This really sums up my feelings as well in this regard.

[@shayshayshayshayshayshayshay]

Destruction is Creation i was pretty much going to say the same thing

[@martinmaguire-music6692]

Glad I'm not alone in thinking this. :D

[@chrisludwig4729]

No hate, but I disagree: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZneypaydbNGhqKc

[@KaneK1234]

Jason Noah Him ending his life is far more realistic. I thought the show was going for realism. Why would anyone endure life after what Bojack has done and gone through? For what reason? And that undermines any sense of consequences for what he’s done over the course of the series, particularly to Sarah Lynn, who didn’t deserve to die in the planetarium. BoJack fatally failed her, and his bubble of powerlessness and mutual addiction doesn’t excuse his choices. For 17 minutes, while she was dying, he deliberately waited and did nothing about it, because saving her wasn’t as important as making sure no one thought of him as a bad guy. Throughout the series’ six-season run, BoJack was offered too many chances to do right, and he failed to really take any of them. And yet the show gave him yet another shot at the end. It sent him off to jail for a short stint for breaking and entering his old house, but that’s a brief punishment, and it’s nothing in comparison to the lives he’s ruined.

[@jamesallard7223]

Takeaway: The last season needed to be about 10 more episodes long. It is what it is, it was what it was, and yeah, it was nice while it lasted. Nice take, good sir.

[@betamax1828]

The reaction to bojack after the 2nd interview really illustrates the biggest problem with society's view of addiction. Just listen to any story you will hear in AA or NA meetings and you'll see that pretty much every addict has done some awful fucking shit but if they've gotten sober and that toxic behaviour was tied to them not being sober then you don't treat them like monsters because of their mistakes during their addiction because most people accept addiction is more than just not being able to stop drinking or doing drugs, the toxic behaviour is a part of addiction. After the 1st interview everyone is supportive of addicts despite the bad things they have done but then the 2nd destroys that and all of a sudden bojack is back to being a monster in the eyes of society despite ridding himself of his addiction and by proxy most of his toxic behaviour, ofc he still has toxic traits he is now a better person still working to be better but everyone ostasises him and abuses him so ofc he would end of drinking again. All of the progress an addict made can be ruined if you still seek to tear them down for the bad things they did in their addiction and that doesn't help anyone. Like was said its a self fulfilling prophecy of everyone treating bojack like a piece of shit so he has no real course to not relapse and do another terrible thing

[@jessyweeks4979]

When I talk to people about the ending I usually say that it's not the perfect or most satisfying ending, but it is the most BoJack ending

[@Mon-wj6yw]

In the end I liked the statement the show made: all your actions have consequences, both for yourself and others, but life goes on.

[@henr5189]

”Not very good at staying neutral on this issue” Well, i’ve never thought of this show trying to be neutral. You can’t really be ”not good” at something, if it’s not what you’re trying to do

[@phantomstrider]

19:53 for what it's worth, it's perfectly okay to be scared of that. And over time, it gets less scary. Literally all you can do is be here in this moment right now, being the best person you can be. Allow the thought when it occurs, let the thought play out, allow the fear to fill you, let it pass, and it will become less scary each time the thought occurs.

[@t2x-treme-o109]

HOWDY STRIDER!

[@hufflepuffhorcrux3269]

I literally broke down on that episode (The View From HalfWay Down). I screen recorded the bit of the episode where herb dies and he says ‘oh BoJack, there is no otherside’ and I rewatched and rewatched that 40 second snippet. I thought about it, and cried constantly for 2 hours. I felt like why shouldn’t I die, if I’m gonna die anyway, is there any point in enjoying it along the way. So I messaged my friends who live away from me, and I asked them and they helped me through it. They told me to list all my favourite experiences I’ve had and things I enjoy. That helped. Through the years I smiled at all the memories. And that’s the only meaning of life, to be happy. And then I messaged my other friends, the ones that live near me, and told them how much I missed them. I told them how much I loved them and recounted experiences I’ve had with them that make me happy, so happy. And in that moment, I felt closer to my friends than I ever have been. And then I knew a second meaning of life, to be with the people you love, and make sure they’re happy. And I just thought I’d share that

[@galerinha]

@@hufflepuffhorcrux3269 life has no meaning in itself. This may sounds harsh because being happy isn't life goal and that may drive you into nihilism. But you can also turn into positive nihilism and give life the meaning you want it to have.

[@hufflepuffhorcrux3269]

@@galerinha i dont understand your point and i don’t know what your life goal is but i just want myself and others to be happy. why would i aim for another goal that’s ultimately meaningless when i can spend the short time i have being happy and doing the things i want to do and being the person i want to be

[@galerinha]

@@hufflepuffhorcrux3269 you can do whatever you want to, that's what I said. But being happy isn't the meaning of life because life has no meaning in itself. One could argue that the goal of the especies is ensuring the next generation will survive, but I think this goal is accomplished given the amount of humans in the planet.

[@intraining3026]

I think it's interesting that there is a critique of a very real victimhood complex from 90s kids but seeing this same complex reflected by BoJack earns defense

[@curranfrank2854]

Yep. This is the most overtly biased video on this channel. I like his analysis, but every once in a while he lets his biases show in a big way, like when he ranted about Diane in the season 5 review. And in this video and the hollyhock one, he comes off as very defensive of bojack, to the point that it becomes a bit unreasonable and, on this video, hypocritical.

[@intraining3026]

@@curranfrank2854 and it's somewhat ironically juxtaposed with him pushing how he didn't like how the tv show writers/producers were being biased.

[@andreacigala2709]

Yes! Bojack too was capitalising on playing the victim (of his own mistakes!) from Biscuit's first interview.

[@ThrottleKitty]

To be fair, he did say he was bias like 3 times. While it's clear that biscuits is meant to be just as bad, it's pretty easy to be emotionally overwhelmed by the framing of that scene. To have people organize and attack against you, when you are genuinely trying to be good. The episode should probably do more to make it clear biscuits isn't in the right just because Bojack deserves what he gets.

[@Lennard222]

I totally agree that a bit more time to finish the secondary storylines would have been fantastic. But I think 16 episodes were already a stretch to negotiate with Netflix.... It was nice while it lasted

[@daniellemullens9596]

personally i think the lack of closure for certain characters was intentional as having closure with certain things is an impossibility and personally i think that’s the most realistic thing they could do

[@firehammock3021]

I felt like letting the audience know that BoJack's life as a professor was all going to fall apart was a good way to get the audience into BoJack's head. Always thinking that everything good in his life is on the verge of collapse, where in this case the audience knows he is right about that.

[@EternalYorkieMom]

PC started making the face after BoJack said that he loved Sarah Lynn, reflecting the fact she noticed that he was lying when he told her previously that he loved her as much as he could love anyone

[@StealRubles]

The real problem with the interviews (other than that excessive part about the power over women which was mentioned in the video) is Bojack's whole attitude about the situation. This ties in with opinions about the 11th episode, and how it unravels all of the character development Bojack has been going through recently. The only reason that the second interview hits so hard is that Bojack is acting like his old self again. He is getting excited about interviews that make him popular again, and with the cuts between his reactions after the interviews, it seems that he is faking his regret and apologies. We know that he should actually be upset and remorseful about these things, but the show decides to regress his character one more time to make him fall into a rock bottom that we think he neither deserves nor is it believable in the story. This is why they show Princess Carolyn thinking about whether Bojack deserves what is happening to him. During this scene, Bojack is acting like his old self. He isn't acting in character with how we think he should be. The real problem with this falls on the setup. Maybe this would have worked if there was more time for us to see him falling into his old ways, but I feel that the fans and myself included really wanted to see Bojack stick with his development for once.

[@TheCommenterDragon]

I for one enjoyed the finale, i mean sure it wasn't the best way to end the show and they could've done a lot more with it, but it was better than nothing.

[@shayshayshayshayshayshayshay]

I think it went perfectly in line with the message of the show, i just wish it could have gone for 2 or 3 more seasons

[@dylanlewis5113]

I'm glad Bojack lived. The show spent 6 seasons showing Bojack at his worst, at his best, and all the steps in between, and how hard those steps are. The show tackled mental illness and addiction in one of the best ways I've ever seen. The ending is hopeful. People make mistakes and have to face the consequences. But as long as you're willing to change, you can change.

[@simpcat4415]

I thought Judah and Princess Carolyn's relationship made a lot of sense. Throughout the whole show, you saw Princess Carolyn struggle with her romantic relationships, not ever really feeling fulfilled by them. Her work is where she gets most of her satisfaction from; it's what makes sense to her. The way Judah is presented makes him out to be the same way but even more extreme. They find solace in each other because they both love their work, and can admire each other for it, which is why the line about Judah finishing deals at the wedding is cute. I think people don't like their relationship because there was no real build-up, but I really like their relationship honestly.

[@CmdrRenegade]

@Shady Doorags You made a great video but I think you give Bojack a little bit too much slack. You said during the video about how victimhood had become 'sexy' and was being used to justify all sorts of terrible behavior. But at the same time, you seem to argue that Bojack should not be held accountable for the real crimes and other generally awful things he did. The only reason you seem to give is 'he's trying to move on and be better'. He believes his own victimhood and bad feelings after doing bad stuff absolves him. Remember what Todd said? "You can't keep doing shitty things and feel bad about yourself and make like it's okay! YOU NEED! TO BE! BETTER!" I also want to mention that even though the 2nd interview was as biased and exploitative as you said...it wasn't wrong either. Bojack takes advantage of those he can get power over. The Chinchilla through ignorance or agenda playing chose to just focus on young women (though what she said about Bojack and young women is true if very narrow). Also that interview made his wish come true...to be held accountable. The trouble is that Bojack wants everyone else to keep him out of trouble and all his closest friends except Mr. PB realized that. PC even did. She had been Bojack's enabler as his agent/ex-lover/defender, etc. It was only now that she truly realized it and how long she had been doing it for. She finally accepted that she can't 'fix' Bojack and if she keeps it up, she would be worse as a person or even be dragged down with him the next time he backslides. Finally, whether symbolically or literally, Bojack did die. He lost his legacy show, his family, and all but one of his friends...but life sucked and he has moved on, in this life or the next one. He has to accept the bad choices he made and move on.

[@Longlius]

I mean, at a certain point you have to ask what holding Bojack accountable actually means. He's not some grand force in the entertainment industry who needs to be taken down. He's a 50-something washed up TV star with no real future outside of possibly helping young actors find their own passion, which is now an avenue closed to him. On his current life trajectory, he has made another decade or so of life left, most likely with very little left to do. What does trying to hold him accountable to victims who would rather just forget about him accomplish? It's just an impulse that exists to sate our primitive desire for retribution rather than anything constructive. In fact, it's an impulse that's actively harmful because it redirects our disdain for the powerful people who are actively causing harm onto a man whose life and career are already over. No one wins from the justice delivered to Bojack. Not his victims. Not his friends. Not himself. Not society. That's why it feels so hollow despite him arguably deserving it.

[@babc6394]

17:55 this transition from here to end to the long beep end credit of 'the view from halfway down'.. is very depressing and make me wanna change my way of living, for my happiest way of living.

[@Nosferatu90187]

On the subject of how PC was about the whole interview with Biscuits... I feel like she was probably flakey despite her loving Bojack for years and years because she found some truth in what Biscuits was claiming. He does have some power over women, whether it be because hes a male, a celebrity, or even just a lovable person (in some regards). I just think that caused a lot of emotion for her that isn't explicitly talked about. P.S. View from half way down was the best few minutes of the show, hands down

[@rebeccamdzeka1185]

I just realised this but at the end of season one we see bojack and diane on the roof backs facing towards us as they look over the city then at the end of season six we now see them with their faces towards us and as they look over the sea THEY TURNED THEMSELVES AROUND

[@ayo__ayo]

I think that the pacing issues you brought and it feeling rushed would not have happened if Netflix didn't cancel the show, and let it continue. However, it was good that the creators did get a heads up firsthand so that they could end the series properly. I believe that they handled it the best way they could.

[@AbrokennoseOUCH]

I'm not sure the writers could have ended this show in any way that would have topped anything else in the show. So the show ended softly. No big revelations or tear jerker. Just two friends on a roof contemplating life.

[@hariman7727]

And Bojack gets up, tries again, and keeps going. Sometimes, that's all you can do.

[@oz_jones]

@@hariman7727 It gets easier.

[@anelleafk]

@@hariman7727 he turns himself around

[@kevinhenry808]

Glad you talked about having sympathy for people. I too feel that certain words can make people look bad. I’m super glad to hear that there other people out there with that idea.

[@nuhbudi]

the writers wrote the second interview the way they did on purpose. yes you can “hurt” people who are the same gender as you, same race, same sexuality, but the thing is unfortunately, we do not live in a time where power structures have been abolished. the beauty of bojack horseman and the whole interview thing was that it presented bojack as an individual and not as some menacing villain. and the thing is about people is in order to do really shitty things you don’t always have to have the written out intent saying “oh hey i’m going to a bad thing to hurt someone!” you can unknowingly use your power to take advantage of others. i don’t think it’s just a coincidence that every woman but one were so much younger than him that he went after, and that he used them for his own personal gain, to feel better abt himself. i understand tht he has depression, shit i think everyone who watches this show honestly does, but mental illness isn’t an excuse to do what he did. bojack made some fucked up yeesh ass mistakes, and the power structure benefit him to the point where he was able to get away with it for so many years. you can have your opinion on it but as a young woman myself that’s literally what i see it as.

[@jakkul26]

I actually mostly agree with this even though I often "defend" Bojack's relationships. He doesn't realize he's doing anything wrong because why would he? I think that's an important discussion that doesn't get enough attention. I think he and Mr Peanutbutter have a similar problem as far as young women are concerned. Which I wish the show would've pointed out in a more critical way because whether I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment or not, I like consistency.

[@mado-wh4jv]

What power structures? How is a man abusing the sex he has preference BECAUSE of his power equal to say society gave to every man that power? My blood boils how can people are able to see the issue (people with power getting away because of their power), and still feel the need to bark an wall like if a women haven't ever get away with doing terrible things, like men can't be victims from these abuses. In the past I chose to believe it was ignorance, but now I read you comment and can't but asks, why all of you chose to name a patriarchy that doesn't exist either in society (who is overwhelming empathetic towards women) or our laws (that doesn't imposed you any privilege based on your sex") when you could actually recognized the true issue and fix it?

[@Ashbrash1998]

@@mado-wh4jv Love how you immediatly assumed it was about the patriarchy, when 1. Op never said patriarchy, just that power structures exist still "no matter GENDER, race , and sexuality". And even gave some sympathy to Bojack by saying he unknowingly did so and isn't a cartoon villan. Let alone the only bits talking about power being used against women is SPECIFICALLY about Bojack, not all men. Let alone that you claim that power structures don't exist, but then claim that women have OVERWHELMING emapthetic power from society. Which just shows that you don't wanna acknowledge anything besides your conflicting view points that don't even make sense for your argument.

[@mado-wh4jv]

@@Ashbrash1998 *Is not a coincidence that it was a woman much younger than him

[@BlackKara]

Paige and Max are two characters from a podcast called "thrilling adventure hour" , subsection "Beyond belief". If you love those characters, its the same actors, same pacing and writing. Its a lot of fun. I hope you enjoy!

[@egg_bun_]

Omg, I absolutely have to get into that, then

[@karlaj.4056]

Great video. About Hollyhock, we have to consider that time when she asked BoJack if "the voices go away when you grow up" meaning that she had this self-destuctive thoughts just like him. She knows that she comes from a broken family full of broken horse-people. So maybe she's too scared of ending up like them, and that's why she chose to disassociate from BoJack. I think that her decission of leaving him behind was based on what she felt that she had to do in order to keep her mental health.

[@skyler4517]

I think she is the salad bowl. But showing something good from her damage isn't the same thing as announcing her damage to the world. She learned form it, and her strength went into her series.

[@kylemorello4787]

She just can't make a book about it, which is okay. It's better to grow from the person that you once were than to exploit it.

[@emilygoth7233]

If it helps i think i've thought up a comfort for death. it really has helped me and i hope it brings you peace of mind. People who have died and come back describe it as a void but peaceful in a way right? keeping that in mind i also thought of a theory that sleep, a coma or getting knocked out cold in anyway basically leads to the same place, a dark void. From there i tuned to sleep and thought of times where i didn't dream and they seem to be the same, a dark peaceful void. It helps knowing that i've had many dreamless sleeps and death should be no different especially when your body comfots you before the time comes, and because of that i'm at peace and only worry about missing my loved ones. i really hope this helps anyone with that fear.

[@ShadyDoorags]

The thing is, I hate sleeping. I enjoy being awake and making memories. It torments me that a third of my life is spent unconscious. If the only thing that awaits us after death is an eternal sleep-like void, that is still terrifying for me.

[@emilygoth7233]

Shady Doorags I've been thinking about that too, i don't know if everything in the universe has a cycle but if so that must mean that that type of sleep my not be eternal otherwise it wouldn't be a cycle. i really don't know just trying to think as far as i can while trying to make sense. really sorry if it didn't comfort you, really love ur vids 👍

[@mollytovxx4181]

“I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.”

[@FratFerno]

I can definitely see Mister Peanutbutter fitting in with BoJack in the second half of The Horny Unicorn (which might as well not have that name). Both were in low points due to mistakes with women, so they could learn from each other and have second opinions. Mister could approach the realization he admits in the final episode, and BoJack could verbally admit that excessive alcohol is dangerous. And then BoJack could have a beer with Mister, thus opening back up in time for Angela to call and eventually get him drunk.

[@Duplacorn]

I feel like biscuits wasn’t pushing her bias on the audience but her viewers and we are suppose to see pass this and come to our own conclusions based on either things we see outside the interview or things we may realize during them

[@vaultshadow]

i really think bojack should've said sarah lynn's last words "i wanna be an architech" to also make her parents accountable for forcing her into that toxic life

[@sean.anthony6044]

eric tatemura it shows his maturity not to. Him realizing it doesn’t matter any more and letting go. He would never have done that before. He’d always look to blame others. Him just accepting it as his fault only shows how much he’d grown.

[@vaultshadow]

@@sean.anthony6044 or any of SL's AA group mates would mentioned about the architect thing?

[@ShadyDoorags]

I think for us, the viewing audience, Bojack telling Sarah Lynn's mom she wanted to be an architect would've been immensely satisfying. However, the interview was about Bojack looking guilty but sympathetic, so he had to say something that would make him appeal to the audience and that was to apologize.

[@vaultshadow]

@@ShadyDoorags guess so, noone will know her parents only used her as their cash cow but he neither had to rant at sarah lynn's mom, he would just describe how was sarah lynn's last moments in the observatory and tell her last words, then everyone else would blame her parents for not letting her to be an architect

[@burtemis1]

I've watched this video four or five times since it was released. I sincerely miss this show and feel an emptiness at its conclusion; sort of like when a dear friend exits your life. I truly believe Bojack Horseman is one of the most important pieces of media ever created. It was nowhere near perfect but it's substantive value and relatabilty is unparalleled.

[@theaddictofgaming9174]

17:44 I felt like everyone already assumed that BoJack had that power

[@theeprotagonist1355]

I think the theory of the final episode being Bojack’s view of halfway down, of what could have been if he didn’t step back into the pool to drown is the best interpretation.

[@NWCountryGirl17]

I really liked both interviews the first felt like it was his Better Call Saul moment where he knew he spun the story the best possible way he could've and the 2nd was the repercussions of being cocky and almost letting himself off the hook as if bojack horseman let's himself take an inch he'll run more than secratariat... He NEEDED That Also I think it pretty greatly poetic that everyone's lives went on and got better once they basically cut off the Horseman... Particularly Todd and Diane Todd who it was really never the same after he told him off in S3 they really weren't FRIENDS and he stood his ground for the most part with that, and Diane for not being her own version of Bojack and actually trusting lasting happiness ... and I'm just team Guy is a GOOD GUY!!!

[@Duplacorn]

I really like the first episode since of how it makes you feel like you know what will happen and you know it’s inevitable but the hope you’re given makes you feel like there is some chance of success for bojack but Charlottes call just grounds your hope back to reality and the consequences of bojacks actions.

[@facugut5751]

I wasn't expecting that something rotten reference, you really are a Man of culture

[@ShadyDoorags]

Is that what we're calling "geeks" now adays?

[@Transmission_Rory]

You hit the nail on the problems with the final episodes. While it does give our main cast closure, there's a lot of stuff just abandoned (Charlottes/Penny's story, Gina's Fireflame film etc). I think the final season is fine. It gives enough closure, even if the story isn't polished. Then again, very few shows have a great finale in my opinon (Scrubs, Blackadder and Cowboy Bebop have great finales). It could have been worse, it could have went The Sopranos or Lost route where we don't get any answers or closure on our characters and story.

[@shayshayshayshayshayshayshay]

Regular Show, Breaking Bad, FMAB

[@andreacigala2709]

It definitely should have been two seasons rather than an extended one

[@shayshayshayshayshayshayshay]

Andrea Cigala too bad netflix is a corporation comprised of exclusively a bunch of greedy fucks

[@Mbaliyum]

It could have been Game of thrones 🙄

[@ClikcerProductions]

Honestly I think it's fitting those things don't get closure, those people are not in Bojacks life in any way after the last time we see them so why would we see more from them? Bojack will never get closure for those things and giving it to the audience would dampen their effect on Bojack

[@psychedelicyeti6053]

Ok, i have to pause the video to say.. 1) they are showing that life's not fair. Just because you're starting to do good doesnt mean you're going to get rewarded for it. Bojack had karmatic debt, if you will 2) I think it would have been more interesting if busicuts had been paid. The only reason she accepted was because she wanted to change her image? Idk I think they did a good job with the limited time they they were given. I prefer that Bojack survived. He kept having "rock bottoms" until he had a major one. Now he gets an actual second chance. I hope we get something in the future (a movie?) to see what happens afterwards.

[@emopeterparker7]

"a story should strive to be believable within its own universe first before striving to be realistic" well said!! i think that's an important thing that all writers should keep in mind.

[@haileerolofson9495]

I think the last two episodes were pretty much the PERFECT ending. I just wish we had a little more time to build up to those episodes. I wish the rest of the main cast and some other characters had more time to develop their subplots. But given the length of the season, I think IG was done fairly well.

[@kevinmccabe3984]

I actually thought the reason PC was angry was that Bojack decided to take the second interview out of greed and create another mess for himself despite her warning. I think it’s less about what he did and more about being a dunce that has to have others fix his mistakes. Being a mom now I think she realized the error in her ways for putting Bojack above everything else.

[@hrnekbezucha]

The show ending was rushed because the creators were told it's the last season all of a sudden and they just had to make do. It's far from perfect ending but it's great.

[@yanickcarosilva8270]

I think the ending is a perfect Bojack ending. Not the one I wanted, but definitely the one I expected. A lot of characters didn't get closure, but closure is a made-up thing by Steven Spielberg to sell movie tickets.

[@William-the-Guy]

"If you know what you're doing will shut down a conversation and you do it anyway, you have completely different ideals than I have." -Beautifully said.

[@LongLiveJamie123]

How many Bojack types do you actually know? This whole last season was jaw droppingly accurate/relatable to my experiences with my non famous absolute trainwreck friends

[@maegansussman5745]

I wish that we got to see it, but they do TECHNICALLY (barely) address what happens with Penny and Charlotte. The prom incident is brought up in the second interview, and then Biscuits quickly moves on to the next thing on her list before Bojack can even talk about it. There's no way Paige Sinclaire could have gotten those details to tell Buiscuts without Penny calling her and telling her. Which means that Penny finally came forward with everything in the hopes of helping someone else that Bojack may have hurt or preventing it from happening again, and the whole thing was just used as a two-second "gotcha" by Biscuits before being thrown away.

[@owarida1168]

I wonder how this show would've been if it wasn't canceled

[@tell-me-a-story-]

If he’s really sorry, he should face the social consequences of his actions and not blame the press.

[@xedusk]

The whole reason for why BoJack had to go to Vance instead of Mister PeanutButter was because Mr. PB was busy with his show, which felt kind of weak to me.

[@Jai137]

It’s more that he doesn’t really like MPB. MPB is nice to him, but he’s nice to everybody so it doesn’t make him feel better. As for Vance, he doesn’t just accept Bojack, but also enforces the idea that Bojack was treated unfairly and he did his best. That way Bojack doesn’t have to feel guilt for anything.

[@xedusk]

Jai137 He did try to hang out with PB, though, but PB declined because he was busy with his show.

[@SonjaMarmeladowa]

I'd like to point out what I think is the problem in your video in the part of you (and other youtubers) getting "political" (what is not political in the end?) and how you could improve that. With that being said, please keep in mind that I am not living in the US nor am I a native english speaker. And I am aware that youtube comments is not the ideal place for discussing these things. Anyway: In your first part you are talking about the order of the episodes and the dramatic plotpoints, how they could have been improved. This makes a lot of sense and is enjoyable to watch. What I would except from a tv show critic. Then the interview comes up and you make a joke about how you can't keep your cool and talk like an adult about the topic. But it continues after the joke. I've noticed it on other episodes too, and it's always connected to feminism/metoo/cancel culture and topics tied to that. You are getting personal triggered and it shows. You reveal your standpoint on it and stop being objective, critical and professional about it. So this is the problem: Your critic is too personal, you are too close. You are getting defensive, taking sides, being angry that "your standpoint" is represented in a bad light, but your arguments are lacking. Because you are getting emotionally close to it (and if I would want to be mean I would say you are getting hysteric about it), you are assuming that Biscuits is supposed to be seen in a good light and trying to show desperately that she is in fact bad, cause she is being rude and not up for discussion, thinking about her career etc. So the question is: How could you have talked about it better? I would try to distance myself from the urge to prove a point of right and wrong. It would have been interesting to hear you talk about how the two interviews compare. How a different narrative and a different perspective can change everything. Because I think that was the actual point of the show. It reflects what is happening in society and I think the episode did a good job portraying that. What does this interview point out the most? How powerful media is. How the basic same story, leaving the 17 min out, can be seen completely different from different narratives. Bojack feels bad in the first, and it's true. He seems to genuinely regret it. He made real efforts to change. The public loves him, gives him free stuff. Second interview: the interviewer is interrogating him, like in a police station, and then judging him, with the 17 min being the knock-out. What she says, it's also true. Of course Bojack is guilty, of course he, as an adult men in a powerful and influential position, has power over young women and abuses that. We've seen it for 6 seasons. We've also seen that he always got away with it and never had to face real consequences cause he's rich&famous. He never has been brought to justice for it before and now the media has brought their version of justice to him. So the audience hates him. Bojack gets "cancelled" and is being shunned. He can't escape, cause again he is famous and everyone knows him. His image is destroyed and the only outlet is a shady place, with other shady people. So for example, this scene shows and reflects how society has, in terms of abuse of power, turned away from the failing justice&law system to the media to gain some power. Now media acts as the justice system, which provides other big problems like cancel culture. The problem is that media is not bound to justice, but to economic interests that lead to "likeability" and attention-seeking content. And as long as the justice system is failing individuals, they will keep finding justice through different ways. It also shows how the public cannot judge with the little and skewed information they get from the media about a person, but still define them as guilty or not guilty. Its shown how fast the public turns on bojack and how his life is completely in the control of their opinion. I focused on the media-justice part, but I think one could also dwell on the part of Fame and Idolisation and Identification etc. Long story short, I'm also pro-discussion, even if they get very "political", but your inability to talk about it from a more distance place impairs the quality of your video as well as your arguments. And it is not entertaining or informative, it just seems immature. I'm saying this not to be hurtful, but to help to improve. For everyone this is difficult and has to be learned. I also think that the dual politcal system in the US with the battle between left and rightwing amplifies this form of discussion in a negative way. However, it is a sensitive topic and when people feel like their values are getting threatened, they of course feel personally attacked, cause they identify with them. I also get hung up a lot in this stucked debattes, exactly because of that reason. Realising that and changing the perspective and approach can help in providing constructive input and exchange.

[@gammarayburst5]

Everything is "political". Propel can't avoid "getting political" because it is literally how we interact with society in everyday life. And unfortunately many people like him are very apologetic towards abusers

[@Mbaliyum]

This was a beautiful read

[@abbiejeankennedy9908]

I think the fact Mr peanutbutter was begging bojack to move in was Mr peanutbutter loneliness impacting him so much he needed to be around someone nd craved that human/animal company

[@pressstart9371]

I think it would be fair if you had mentioned that netflix cancelled the show and that's why it was rushed.

[@Cobby10]

The shit with Biscuits pissed me off. It wasn’t an interview, it was an argument. I don’t understand how this killed Bojack’s career and status, anyone with sense would’ve definitely understood that there were 2 interviews.

[@anagabriela1290]

Even tho I do agree with some of your points of the second part of the interview, I don't see is as a "Bojack will do this again" tipe of argument and more of a "you can't escape from the mistakes you've made" every action brings consequences... and yes I did also get really mad at that episode, but I also see the point of the second interview and how it was important... but that's just my opinion, still like the video btw!

[@Svetlozarov]

That music at the start is really jarring. It sounds like something on the opening screen of a Christmas flash game.

[@taoiseachjager9643]

To be honest i think in the end the final episode hit me harder than view from down under even though view from down under is objectivly better. I think it is because i connected a Lot with one specific moment from the final episode more than i connected with view. Unlike you i dont find the idea of the void after we die to be scarry, in fact i find the idea comforting. The moment with Diane in the final episode had a Bigger impact for me. It had a similar theme to my two favourite makoto shinkai films (A garden of words, and 5 centimeters a second) but unlike the shinkai films it was more grounded and felt more realistic. I dont struggle with the void, but I do struggle with leaving people in my life and people leaving me. Because of that Single moment with Diane the final episode Stuck with me, more than it probably did for most others.

[@Isaacindelicato123]

Omg thank you for expressing what you did about Biscuits Braxby.. that part made me so angry too. It was very unfair

[@prismcandies]

I completely feel the exact way and share your fears and giddy fascination about the “ View from Halfway Down “ I fear death like nothing else, giving death a face and a blunt “I’m sorry but it’s how it is” is a strange comfort and plummeting reminder. I love it so much along with Midnight Gospel’s conversations on death and acceptance of the end.

[@mayalucia5915]

Unpopular opinion: BoJack never really became a better person morally, he just became one socially.

[@BiggestPhangirl]

On top of just the delivery of the poem, the change in tone just from the words themselves and the sense of panic slowly descending upon Secretariat as he falls to his death is hard-hitting. There would absolutely be peace before the jump, happiness or relief even, but about halfway down you realize there is zero control and ironically that is something you took from yourself, for yourself, and it’s GOING to cost you your life. I would love to watch you ramble on about this poem, it’s simple but deep and I wanted to give Secretariat a hug and save him from the door he wasn’t ready for.

[@hippolyte5248]

There's some episodes that slow down my rewatching binge, and the interview one is one of them Great video also

[@kristinacurrans1265]

You gave me chills with your outro. 😭 It’s been real.

[@WillCassityMusic]

I feel like I related to Todd the most, I don’t believe he was lazy I mean he started his own business. He just does what makes him happy instead of settling for something he knows he doesn’t like, and not having his family’s approval of his lifestyle is something a lot of us can relate to at least those of us that pursue creative fields such as art, acting, or in my case music. Follow your dreams people! Do what makes you happy! 🤘🏻❤️

[@rjgraddy11]

I think he totally missed the point. Todd is lazy, but also successful. But even with that success, he’s looking for validation from his parents which he never got. His problems come to a head when they’re back in his life. It’s out of left field and probably should’ve been mentioned in the beginning of the show (briefly), but makes his serious moments believable when he does become serious because he has the tangible proof of his success.

[@Steven9567]

@@rjgraddy11 so the same with bojack

[@BigManBohdan]

BoJack is such a good show that even a mediocre ending could’ve been amazing, although I kind of agree that I would be more emotional if it ended on ep15

[@freddiesimmons1394]

Thanks for having your own opinion, and for caring enough about them to have them actually be thought out. Appreciate it

[@EGODINGO32]

Encore! Encore! Shady, over the years you have definitely helped me out on figuring out this show on why its one of the best ones I've seen in years. Its a damn shame that the show did end (most likely from the animation studio going union, which it should have 100%) and it feeling very rushed, especially that last episode. Nonetheless, thanks for making these videos! It has helped me figure out key scenes which I did not understand or see before. Keep up the good work bud!

[@maddiesenpainotice9991]

I never saw bojack as a guy who went after women he more of some one who fuck up ever relationship he in which has a lot of female relationships. But that accusation I get was use since the whole penny thing and Sarah Lynn. I also get why holly left because of past behavior like the drug addiction and mother I get why she feel it be a safer choice to leave. When you think of leaving someone you think about you since if they show horrible behavior then you feel safer not near them.

[@nikhilsinha7730]

I found you because of your john record video, it randomly popped up and on a side note you got me into the king of the hill, I stayed because you are one of the better commentaries better and entertainment discussion channels I have seen in a while. I do not know how to put it, you are just better

[@Titan360]

2:30 Well, don't forget that Bojack was an UNHEALTHY level of breathtaken when Charlotte called him....

[@ZaneBarrow]

Existentialism is the biggest horror of my life too, man. But trust me when I say it gets easier. I stared deepest into the abyss, and I learned how to resolve it. It's a personal journey we all must take and come to terms with, but I'm 5 years down from my existential crisis and I feel more at peace with my life. I'll never accept death, but it's okay not to. It's okay to always hope for the best possible world and outcome, no matter how unrealistic is seems.

[@diy_cat9817]

I'm an amateur writer, too. I loved that episode. You're so good at this. The oblivion comment .. *chefs kiss*

[@eatyourvegetables226]

Sometimes I think of death as before being born. It comforts me Sometimes to know that we all been in the oblivion before. Its just that we never thought about it I a deeper sense as when we are alive - if oblivion truly is real...

[@Frandaman84]

It was the perfect ending in that it was both endings. He flatlined again in that rooftop with Diane, it was all necessary for his mind to face death comfortably. He made up stuff in view from halfway down (Herb almost committing suicide) with lets us know he can create stories and thats what the last episode was. It was a perfect ending.

[@hans-edwardjaque4001]

Just in regards to the 3rd - 2nd - 1st person perspectives in the poem the view from halfway down,I think it actually works really well for this particular poem. I'm thinking, and feel free to correct me, that Secretariat starts the poem in 3rd person because, he doesn't feel like he was in control. This can often happen when depressed, you feel like someone else is living your life, and you're watching it from inside your head. He write that part in 3rd person because, that's how he experienced it. The second part that's in 2nd person could serve as a sprt of bride between the 3rd and 1st person perspectives, but it could also be like he is addressing the person he is talking about in the first part directly. "YOU see it now", "YOU" made the choise of jumping, and now "YOU" realised that the choise "YOU" made is a bad choise. He "didn't" make the choise, he is simply along for the ride. Trying to justify the decisions by saying he didn't make them. Then in the last part(s?) he realises that he should have stopped, he is regretting it, he feels guilty for killing himself, he might see the impact it might have on other people a lot more clearly now than before, he might simply want to live, but either way, he feels guilty. It's not the person from the first part, he doesn't exist anymore, he dissappeared after the second part, it's only him. He is talking to himself in the last part of the poem, because, he's guilty he let the depression take over. But that's just my thoughts :)