'I Came Back With No Faith in Religion or God' Says Pastor (NDE)

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Shaman Oaks

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Peter Panagore had an amazing Near-Death Experience (NDE) while ice climbing. During his NDE, Peter talked with God and was given a choice to come back, which he took and then immediately regretted. Peter said his near-death experience caused him to lose his faith in religion and God.
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0:00 - Near-Death Experience (NDE)
10:36 - Why He Lost His Faith
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@vickikent2192
@vickikent2192 3 ай бұрын
My late husband died twice during operations to fight cancer. He described living with one foot in each world. He wanted to go back. That was 2003, and in 2009 he had a weird form of fungal pneumonia and he thought the cancer was back. He let himself spiral, having tired of dealing with all the medical procedures. He left this world and I know he is in a place of joy...making music without the need for a physical instrument.
@IamRaloPib
@IamRaloPib Ай бұрын
That sounds beautiful...making music without the need of an instrument sounds like Heaven to me...
@albertanye221
@albertanye221 4 ай бұрын
It was wonderful to watch this video. I had an NDE 62 years ago and remember it as if it were yesterday. The way Peter described it was so right on! It is hard to use human language to describe something that cannot be described in that way. There are no words that truly fit. Peter did a great job of providing a picture. I am 84 now, and I do recall saying that no matter how much longer I lived (after my NDE when I was 22), I now knew where I was going, and there was no fear. I will be going home. I also wanted badly to go back and in fact didn't really want to come back to this physical life but it was decided for me. I had things to do. Sending infinite love 🥰😇
@jorgdufer8038
@jorgdufer8038 4 ай бұрын
Thank u for sharing …may the lord bless u on
@grahamgood4190
@grahamgood4190 4 ай бұрын
@kmiler4710
@kmiler4710 4 ай бұрын
Never had an NDE but watch them frequently and this has to be my favorite so far so your comment has validated it for me. One thing I’ve been feeling these days and hoping but no one has said….. I don’t want to come back here…. Do we have to keep coming back?
@DolphLundgrensDolphinDungeon
@DolphLundgrensDolphinDungeon 4 ай бұрын
​@@IM-jq8hpunfortunately, one lesson I've learnt through a lifetime of searching is that there's no answers to the hard questions in life on this Earth
@BuddyLee23
@BuddyLee23 4 ай бұрын
Whoa, Silent Gen in the comments section! Nice. I hope you see +100 y/o good sir.
@bilalkhan4168
@bilalkhan4168 4 ай бұрын
My sweet sweeeeeet MOM passed away from Cancer,bacterial meningitis,lungs infection,kidney failure,strokes.She was only 48 year old ,but I know she’s in Heaven!!! She wasn’t just my mom,but my best friend.please pray for her.
@LuckyClovers
@LuckyClovers 4 ай бұрын
Please accept my deepest condolences for your loss. I am praying for her spiritual journey to be peaceful. May the good Lord bless her soul and keep her. I am praying for you and the rest of your family as well. They need you now more than ever. I know how it feels to lose a parent and please know she would not have wanted you to be sad.. Please take care and may God bless you throughout this change in your life. Hugs
@TheDirtyyoungman1
@TheDirtyyoungman1 4 ай бұрын
I've lost both my parents also to cancer in the last decade, so I DO know your pain. I'm so sorry for your loss and hope you find peace as I have as time passes. My only question to you is what heaven? Who is the creator of this heaven? If you answer GOD, then my next question is, which god? Then, how do you know you have the correct god? 😏👍
@user-ct4zw6yx1q
@user-ct4zw6yx1q 4 ай бұрын
She is always around you my love. My mom sends me pennies and when all of us 5 girls are together we will find 5 dimes. It’s such a special 🎁 for us when we are together. I send you both love and prayers ❤️
@user-ct4zw6yx1q
@user-ct4zw6yx1q 4 ай бұрын
@@TheDirtyyoungman1 I have no answer as I ask the same questions
@user-ct4zw6yx1q
@user-ct4zw6yx1q 4 ай бұрын
@@TheDirtyyoungman1 we lost our youngest sister to cancer and it hurts the depths of my soul. When we would go out people always thought we were twins. I feel we were twin flames.
@user-pd5qz2vt2c
@user-pd5qz2vt2c 4 ай бұрын
What a wonderful description of the infinite divine. I too had an NDE when I drowned, was 15 years old at the time, and the Voice of indescribable joy and love that emanated from the tunnel of light told me to go back, that it was not my time. Peter is so right about how this experience changes all perceptions of the world, and how human concepts of God are so puny and misdirected, to control people with fear. I am now old and biding my time to return. Love is what matters. Only love.
@MarkFlores-ot5vj
@MarkFlores-ot5vj 4 ай бұрын
So is hell real based on your experience?
@MarkFlores-ot5vj
@MarkFlores-ot5vj 4 ай бұрын
You s@id to control people with fear. What did you mean by that?
@user-pd5qz2vt2c
@user-pd5qz2vt2c 4 ай бұрын
@@MarkFlores-ot5vj nope
@FreeSpirit47
@FreeSpirit47 4 ай бұрын
My reply was removed. hmmmm
@user-pd5qz2vt2c
@user-pd5qz2vt2c 4 ай бұрын
@@FreeSpirit47 not me...
@runyon888
@runyon888 4 ай бұрын
This man can articulate things that can't be easily said in words. I think he's a very high soul, and I instinctively like him. And believe him.
@danielboomers
@danielboomers 4 ай бұрын
he is full of BS cos no words ever can describe what is after life..
@j.katyLevin.2684
@j.katyLevin.2684 4 ай бұрын
​@@danielboomersWhy? I think he described it very well, and he sounds genuine compared to many others
@danielboomers
@danielboomers 4 ай бұрын
@@j.katyLevin.2684 i die every year onces to look behind the curtain and i tell you its BS what he is saying. his ego playing his memories.
@johnnada1222
@johnnada1222 4 ай бұрын
Oh tell us enlightened one . Please share your wisdom ( if you have the guts).
@lindadeal3344
@lindadeal3344 4 ай бұрын
​@@danielboomers you are bs!
@fionagregg3511
@fionagregg3511 4 ай бұрын
He had a choice. During my NDE I was not given a choice about coming back, I just did. I came back to face horrific physical suffering but worse still was my seperation from 3 of my children which 10 years on I still endure. In spite of all I know we are all here for a reason and it is best to have no regrets because when we do pass on it will all be explained to us fully. X
@naemasufi
@naemasufi 3 ай бұрын
so sorry all that had to be endured, take care.
@trafficjon400
@trafficjon400 3 ай бұрын
Sorry we all have wishful thinking with experiences we have to trust with no anecdotal proof .@@naemasufi
@michaelearendil6843
@michaelearendil6843 4 ай бұрын
Peter Panagore was an excellent choice to interview. His experience was profound, and he is the soul of wisdom and kindness.
@Whitewolf-xx6qu
@Whitewolf-xx6qu 4 ай бұрын
He spoke so elequently with lots of wisdom, was lovely.
@Elizabeth-gy8ou
@Elizabeth-gy8ou 4 ай бұрын
I agree. One of my favorites.
@commentfreely5443
@commentfreely5443 4 ай бұрын
he said coming at him faster than the speed of light. if it was at the speed of light you wouldn't see it approaching.
@michaelearendil6843
@michaelearendil6843 4 ай бұрын
I doubt Peter is describing his experience as an astrophysicist.
@datacipher
@datacipher 3 ай бұрын
@@commentfreely5443it was all time but no time, it was total darkness but filled with light, it was lonely but full, it was left but right, it was like light beer but dark beer, it was like a toothpick of happiness with a log of pain… Dullards: what a perfect description! So eloquent!! Only he could describe it that way!! So enlightening! Where’s my horoscope?
@gcarr5355
@gcarr5355 4 ай бұрын
I just wish we could remember at least a little bit of who we really are, life is so difficult with amnesia
@Bluebird19-ll8su
@Bluebird19-ll8su 4 ай бұрын
Yes, agreed. I can't help but think that the world would be a better place.
@mreverybody1150
@mreverybody1150 4 ай бұрын
Who we are is in the Word of God and when the mind is renewed through it, that is when life changes.
@redblade8160
@redblade8160 4 ай бұрын
@@mreverybody1150 And how would you know all that? It sounds like you've been brainwashed by religion.
@mreverybody1150
@mreverybody1150 4 ай бұрын
@@redblade8160 I spent most of my life as a non believer but I am so glad I had an open mind. You say how do I know? I know because after believing without seeing and purely through faith. A few years after this I was presented with proof in so many ways. But since it will sound completely impossible. All I will say to you is read the Bible, keep an open mind. Ask God to show you the truth and see what happens. I could have left this planet as a non believer. But I am beyond thankful for what I discovered.
@mreverybody1150
@mreverybody1150 4 ай бұрын
@@redblade8160 I answered this and it was deleted. I guess they don't want you to find out about the brain washing...
@tarakhanom5311
@tarakhanom5311 3 ай бұрын
I experienced similar thing during meditation. I was connected to the one as well as connected to everything around me. I felt total love. I felt the energy, It told me why darkness exists. I felt elevated and whole. I started loving more, i became a better human because of these experiences. Thank you for sharing your experience.
@nogunnofear6703
@nogunnofear6703 4 ай бұрын
I had a wonderful NDE as well. I told people when I came back that my faith was gone for the same reason he did. Once you know, faith is no longer necessary. Knowing is knowing. Love is all you need. Peace.
@alminejacobsz786
@alminejacobsz786 4 ай бұрын
Agree 100% ❤
@alminejacobsz786
@alminejacobsz786 4 ай бұрын
I really did not want to come back, still longing to go there forever, 28 years later. The amazing Light, contented peace and joy is not something I will ever experience, until I'm there again. I can't wait!
@carbunkle5643
@carbunkle5643 3 ай бұрын
Why don't we all know now instead of having to wait until death to know?
@riarivers-hilton7985
@riarivers-hilton7985 3 ай бұрын
Because GOD IS LOVE and THE CREATOR
@riarivers-hilton7985
@riarivers-hilton7985 3 ай бұрын
We are ONE.
@juliehamilton5689
@juliehamilton5689 2 ай бұрын
Deeply truthful and beautiful. I watched this wonderful conversation early this morning just prior learning that one of my dearest friends had passed away four days ago. I shook me to my core. We had enjoyed many philisophical conversations on who we really are and what this earthly construct was all about ..... aslo sharing our own psychic experiences. I know he is 'HOME' and the bliss he is now experiencing. 💛💫 Now I know why I selected this specific video to watch - for confirmation, which speaks to my soul and what my soul knows to be TRUTH. Thank you both very very much. Love from the UK 💛💫💛
@TransformationalMentorMY
@TransformationalMentorMY 4 ай бұрын
I love the way he articulated the divine. It is how I imagine it, and it makes me feel not afraid of living this world. I know there is so much that we cannot see in this matrix. I love that we are all loved. All, no exceptions.
@titantitan9735
@titantitan9735 4 ай бұрын
I think it's noble cause what you did in returning to Earth. You were surrounded by love but returned as you didn't want your parents to suffer by losing you. That's not only noble, it's truly loving. Thank you for sharing your experiences and have a blessed day.
@c.brownell8618
@c.brownell8618 4 ай бұрын
I had an NDE. Not in a hurry to go home to death, but not afraid of it. An NDE is an experience of unconditional love.
@trafficjon400
@trafficjon400 3 ай бұрын
if death is unconditional love then your over it with no condition.
@simonbaker6962
@simonbaker6962 3 ай бұрын
No it is not. Its a chemical infusion into the body.
@thomascleveland
@thomascleveland 4 ай бұрын
Holy wow. Usually NDE experiences don't even try to describe the level of ail in their feelings that this guy does it's incredible. I've never heard someone going to such a great attempt and explaining something so immense
@erock736
@erock736 4 ай бұрын
It all makes so much sense to me. I have always noticed that experiences and feelings that I have in dreams feel so much realer and intense and when I wake up it all feels so dumbed down. I can only imagine just how great it is on the other side of the veil.
@jennzenn971
@jennzenn971 4 ай бұрын
I have experienced the devine, i had an NDE about 10yrs ago & i remember it like it was yesterday. One of the places i was brought was a lush green meadow. In the meadow was these beautiful flowers of different sizes & colours. Colours iv never seen before. When i focused my attention to one flower it was magical. Its vibration & its essence swirled & danced before me. It had its own vibration, each flower. Even the water in the river sparkled like crystal & swirled & danced to its vibration. I was shown how we are all connected, everything in this universe. There is no separation. We are all one in devine consciousness. I have never felt so much love from our creator. It was so intense, it was a trillion times the love we feel here on earth. In fact when i shot back into my body i still felt that love & i burst out crying because the love i was given was too intense for me & i couldnt handle its intensity. I am so lucky to have had that experience. My beautiful son died last year, he was only 16years old. But i am so comforted knowing he is in a place of pure love. He IS home & i WILL see him again. This i know.
@katefish3754
@katefish3754 2 ай бұрын
May I ask how your Son passed away?
@jennzenn971
@jennzenn971 2 ай бұрын
@@katefish3754 Cancer...a brain tumour.
@lj5585
@lj5585 4 ай бұрын
Wow! Yes, exactly! Faith is to believe what you can't see or experience. Once you have; there's no need for faith because you Know.
@lucaswilhelmmeyer6943
@lucaswilhelmmeyer6943 4 ай бұрын
To think Christ had to suffer for us to have life everlasting!
@keep_walking_on_grass
@keep_walking_on_grass 4 ай бұрын
There is so much suffering in this world because many people have no faith. They have been deceived about the origin of the world and life, which have been sold as proven facts, but these are just assumptions. (Big Bang, abiogenesis, Charles Darwin), they have learnt it is a proven fact that we are just an accident, our very ancestor was the first self-created microbe(!). There is no divine, no God, no sins, no karma, we are matter like a computer. "Lumbering robots" is a quote from leading atheist Richard Dawkins, who attacks religious people for believing in stories instead of scientific facts (which is a lie). I heard Sean Carrol say in a speech that he "knows every formula and every field in the human body, he knows exactly what goes on inside us and what life is, and he can assure you that there is no such thing as a soul that lives on, no afterlife, no karma and no God". And when people believe in these lies, they naturally think that they can do whatever they want, you can lie, murder, steal and cheat, as long as you don't get caught, everything is fine. Once these people realise that they have been deceived (they believed in assumptions that were sold to them in school books and schools as proven facts), they realise that all we can do is choose what we believe. it is written in the Bible. God wants you to believe in him. And his existence can be recognised in everything that he has created. There is no excuse for not recognising this. People, every living blade of grass is a miracle. Every plant seed. We can't even copy a seed, let alone create one.
@trafficjon400
@trafficjon400 3 ай бұрын
Remember we still believe sounds wickedly cruel to slap us in the face when we truly have no clue what the dead are doing except being dead. with only who we are to try and prove something with the creator acting as it only exist by what we are only as we see is evidence by Man we don't know with no anecdotal proof . brought back to mans ideas and his belief and not the devine who speaks through man he told us not to trust still giving us no anecdotal proof but the human body next to us tells us is not ANECDOTAL PROOF? Seems cruel for the teaser is no joke... especially at the theist.
@johnbrennick8738
@johnbrennick8738 3 ай бұрын
@@lucaswilhelmmeyer6943 nice thought though I think Christ knew were he was going but like Peter wanted to serve on earth for his parents, Christ came to help us and what an extra sacrifice he made for the love of us
@ishouldhavehuggedher5565
@ishouldhavehuggedher5565 4 ай бұрын
Thank you, I needed this today! What a privilege it was to hear him give Daily Devotions on our local news station in Maine❤
@dreia2405
@dreia2405 4 ай бұрын
You can tell he has put a lot of thought into his experience, he has done a terrific job describing the unfathomable
@tonyatruesdale362
@tonyatruesdale362 3 ай бұрын
This is…HANDS DOWN…THE most beautiful, BEAUTIFUL, POWERFUL, COMFORTING, FULFILLING, HEARTFELT, REASSURING NDE I have EVER had the privilege and pleasure of listening to! OMGOSH, I am absolutely just warm all over, and just feel more relaxed, knowledgeable, and confident in what I already knew, but hearing him speak just made it feel so real! So, incredibly alive! Thank you so, SO much for sharing! I’m going out tomorrow to grab his book! ❤
@TabbyCallaghan
@TabbyCallaghan Ай бұрын
Is that because you've seen the same ndes about hell as me? I've been watching these nde videos about hell and eternal torture have really traumatized me so much so it has put my faith up in the air to where I'm no longer looking through love but abject Terror and fear .
@mikeflight9
@mikeflight9 4 ай бұрын
That was a fantastic comforting telling of an NDE. I have never had an NDE but I have had 2 OBEs. The first OBE was so strange. I just got into bed, lay down, and saw what looked like a giant tree trunk coming from my belly. I then reached out and touched it. It was soft, so I gently pulled on it and found myself halfway up the room wall and then at the ceiling, which I went right through. The feeling was literally out of this world. I had no worries and no responsibilities. I just felt total peace like never before. I did get a bit scared and as soon as I felt that way, it was as if someone dropped me from about 3 feet onto my bed. My wife had gone to bed before me, so I had to wake her up and tell her what just happened to me. Peter Panagores experience was obviously "far greater", but that feeling of peace even within OBE was amazing.
@michaelwhitaker5882
@michaelwhitaker5882 4 ай бұрын
this is your brain on drugs
@SEBOSONORO
@SEBOSONORO 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for this ❤ I had several OBEs, not all of them was full of peace, but one of them in particular, I received love energy from a being, and it was HUGE love, HUGE! I will never forget.
@FreeSpirit47
@FreeSpirit47 4 ай бұрын
What a beautiful experience! Have had 4 NDEs plus many other spiritual experiences. I'm nobody special. People tell me that I'm very emotionally, physically, spiritually sensitive. I tried to toughen myself a few times. As I became tougher, I felt myself losing my spiritually sensitive nature. The tradeoff felt so foreign to me. Making the choice to be true to my natural state of being, because it is my choice, is better, for me.
@user-oe9ux4yq4i
@user-oe9ux4yq4i 4 ай бұрын
Interesting never heard of OBE when giant tree branch coming out of belly 😧 Sounds like a horror movie. mushrooms?
@FreeSpirit47
@FreeSpirit47 4 ай бұрын
@@user-oe9ux4yq4i It could be classified as horror in a movie. In real life, it's more of a growth & peaceful experience.
@tabathaflores4761
@tabathaflores4761 4 ай бұрын
What an eloquent speaker and excellent communicator that man was
@mikedakin2016
@mikedakin2016 3 ай бұрын
however . eloquence bears no relation to truth and reality. He is still talking nonsense but in a manor which captivates many people .I'm glad to say I'm not one of em!
@irulan9161
@irulan9161 3 ай бұрын
@mikedakin2016. Interesting! Why do you think he's talking nonsense?
@mikedakin2016
@mikedakin2016 2 ай бұрын
@@irulan9161 Well, in the first place there is no evidence for the existence of god so he made all that up. Second , an NDE is a really odd and strange experience . It took me many years to come to terms with my own after which i determined it all happened in my head . No god required. This was all confirmed when I had a second NDE . which took me much less time to work out. So I can see why people misinterpret their experience but they read too much into it . Wishful thinking is not evidence.
@irulan9161
@irulan9161 2 ай бұрын
@@mikedakin2016So, you had an NDE and you determined that it was all in your head. May I ask about your experience? I think it's a rarity for anyone who's had an NDE to come out of it without being profoundly changed
@mikedakin2016
@mikedakin2016 2 ай бұрын
@@irulan9161 How do you know its a rarity , have you studied the subject? But yes I was profoundly changed but I am unable to attribute that to the NDE alone . Unfortunately my physical body was also changed by the incident. I am still dealing with that now as we speak.
@dennisdavidek6694
@dennisdavidek6694 4 ай бұрын
Thank you Peter for coming back and sharing your experience with us.
@LifeMindBody
@LifeMindBody 4 ай бұрын
Thank you Peter🙏 for sharing your beautiful experience to help enlighten us! And thanks for sharing his experience and much love to everyone!❤
@cyb3rdecker
@cyb3rdecker 4 ай бұрын
My brother once said, he remembered being born in this lifetime and thinking "why am I back?" and always hated till this day being on earth. God says he knows who we are before we were born from your mother's belly, there is life before this life and obviously after.
@SuperUAP
@SuperUAP 4 ай бұрын
That's unfortunate amount of suffering, I feel like I've lived 10,000 lives and I'm ready to be out of it. Ffs.
@elonever.2.071
@elonever.2.071 4 ай бұрын
I hate this planet too. Thankfully I am up in years and I am way closer to the end of my contract than the beginning so soon I will be gone from this @%?!## place. It took me over six decades to understand what my purpose/lessons were for being here and I am dedicating every heartbeat and breath to fulfilling it so I don't have to come back here. It absolutely disgusts me when I look around and see how people treat each other and abuse each other to feed an Ego that will die when they do. None of this can come along with you when you leave here...only the lessons you learned or didn't learn.
@johngibson6597
@johngibson6597 4 ай бұрын
I too believe I had this experience, have never told a soul as I was sure anybody would think I was a basket case but I am obviously not alone in this.
@phillemon7664
@phillemon7664 4 ай бұрын
I feel like when we are in a state of extreme either addiction to this world (say you are an extremely wealthy man that will not let go) or are in extreme apathy towards the world you are forced to come back. The middle way is the way you should look at things, everything has it's purpose, everything in it's right place.
@JRESHOW
@JRESHOW 4 ай бұрын
@@elonever.2.071who’s to say you just don’t keep coming back? What else is there to do? Makes ya wanna put your all into this world now so ya don’t gotta be born into where this world is already heading. Even if ya do, it may take a few more lifetimes to get things to stick in the right direction. Earth I believe could be great; whatever it is, but my god it’s not headed in a very good direction.
@aliceclearmanphd984
@aliceclearmanphd984 4 ай бұрын
I could listen to Peter every day of my life. He is an inspirational person to listen to and particularly helpful in this truly painful time with so much pain and so much division. Thank you for this. Thank you.❤
@Gwalchmai
@Gwalchmai 4 ай бұрын
An excellent vocalisation of the Devine, Faith is the bridge you stand on until you know, then you don't need faith or belief. God bless one and all
@lunaheretic
@lunaheretic 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely beautiful, made me cry, thanks for sharing
@michaelgpartridge2384
@michaelgpartridge2384 4 ай бұрын
Another terrific installment, Alan! Thank you for all of your most excellent work on this channel. I don’t think I have ever devoured content so completely. Your choice of guests is absolutely stellar. Your efforts are so very much appreciated! Cheers, man!
@ShamanOaks
@ShamanOaks 4 ай бұрын
I greatly appreciate that, thank you!!
@user-dl8dt3ix5u
@user-dl8dt3ix5u 4 ай бұрын
He didn't really lose his faith, he experienced God.
@artivan111
@artivan111 4 ай бұрын
​@@user-dl8dt3ix5uim guessing he experienced our Source and knew that it was much greater than the God his earthly religion believes in. God is a just a human word, after all
@Sameithink
@Sameithink 4 ай бұрын
🥹 that was a truly beautiful experience. I lost my partner of 36 years this past January and Peter’s experience has given me soothing hope relief and excitement that he is very much alive and perhaps I will see him again. Thank you 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
@susanmcgill7048
@susanmcgill7048 4 ай бұрын
I also lost my husband of 31 years in January, hearing nde such as this is encouraging for my broken heart 💔
@miguelangelleonabarca2921
@miguelangelleonabarca2921 4 ай бұрын
Wonderful! I felt exactly the same. All your words trigger my experience again. It is REAL, it is REAL, it is REAL.... Thank you 🙏
@jayalanchristianson7070
@jayalanchristianson7070 4 ай бұрын
This gentleman’s resonance and divine truth is beautifully coherent and encouraging. Thank you. 🙏
@suzannekiraly4480
@suzannekiraly4480 4 ай бұрын
This episode was so beautiful. Thank you!
@tamaraterrymusic2656
@tamaraterrymusic2656 4 ай бұрын
I adore Panagore!!❤ a good man, and servant of love!!!❤ so helpful!!
@jayatkinson1152
@jayatkinson1152 4 ай бұрын
Thank you so very much for this extremely moving and authentic account... I feel I know this experience so deeply... bless your dear heart ❤❤❤
@JohnOShaughnessy
@JohnOShaughnessy 4 ай бұрын
Listening to this totally made sense. It was so refreshing to hear how knowledge is beyond faith or doubt.. A beautiful account.
@jasondelnicki5934
@jasondelnicki5934 4 ай бұрын
All my soul wanted was to be back in the oneness of being .. that line resonates, thank you for sharing ..
@user-sh2vq2hp3c
@user-sh2vq2hp3c 4 ай бұрын
You're so right, Peter. This world is indeed fragmented.
@kenkaplan3654
@kenkaplan3654 4 ай бұрын
On purpose.
@andhehassentmehere777
@andhehassentmehere777 4 ай бұрын
@@kenkaplan3654 We are all being tested. Many are failing.
@kenkaplan3654
@kenkaplan3654 4 ай бұрын
@@andhehassentmehere777 I don't think anyone is "tested" because I don't think the Universal Source works that way. What is happening now is an intensification due to "causes and conditions", which includes karmic return. So within this intensification everyone's stuff, individually and collectively is brought to the surface. As challenging as it is, it brings unprecedented opportunity because we cannot address what we cannot see. I suppose within that context we are being "tested" but not by some "thought" or "intention" of the universe or life but by the organic evolution of processes, dynamics and forces already present. It all had to come to a head sometime and that time seems to be now and the near future.
@BBlair-if8tj
@BBlair-if8tj 4 ай бұрын
@@andhehassentmehere777Or learning.
@ljones98391
@ljones98391 2 ай бұрын
​@@andhehassentmehere777 His experience says life is a gift of growing not a test and at this point he has more personal experience to back up his statement than others.
@Vayra78
@Vayra78 3 ай бұрын
It was wonderful and painful to watch this video. I had an NDE twice, in my early twenties and was forced to come back, it was not my time, the Beloved told me. I felt this overwhelming love there and sense of home, which I have never experienced here on Earth. Ever since then, for at least 25 years so far, I have felt unhappy and not at home... an alien, so to write... I wish I could go home and I know I eventually will, but for now I must "serve" out my time here. Like someone once told me, this is a prison planet, everything is fragmented and veiled. Most humans are not aware of their origins and need their beliefs, culture and faith to survive on this planet. I know and I see and it's so painful, I cry heavy tears, at all the injustice this world has to offer... knowing it can be different, we can bring paradise back to Earth, if we all choose to do so. Since we are the Beloved, ourselves. Peter did a great job of providing a picture indeed, you have my thanks for that. I also do not fear death, I know it is just the beginning, of a much greater journey, which is cyclical in nature.😇
@carlosveguilla9077
@carlosveguilla9077 4 ай бұрын
I love his testimony so honest and real to the core and loving
@Sarah1212mm
@Sarah1212mm 4 ай бұрын
i remember you posted this a couple of years ago. It was interesting to hear again his very articulate description of his NDE
@mayawhitesparks110
@mayawhitesparks110 4 ай бұрын
With the Shift of Ages in process, the veil between us and the Divine has been lifted! Focus within and follow the spiral upward. Practice listening to/feeling inner wisdom.
@pinkifloyd7867
@pinkifloyd7867 4 ай бұрын
Everything else is useless when its time to go back to what we are actually ❤
@emmasalgado7877
@emmasalgado7877 4 ай бұрын
All wisdom come from God, not your inner
@mayawhitesparks110
@mayawhitesparks110 4 ай бұрын
@@emmasalgado7877 True. My inner guidance system works through my connection to God.
@trafficjon400
@trafficjon400 3 ай бұрын
Yet, Scriptures said never to trust man yet, its all man ever does! doesn't help people staying in church and why other country's have left but America is showing signs also. why can't people be a little honest about anecdotal evidence that promised but instead wonder why many are leaving the buildings with many closing...
@segoiii
@segoiii 2 ай бұрын
the veil isn´t lifted, because if it was, all souls would remember their pasts. The veil of amnesia is still intact.
@bobondie
@bobondie 3 ай бұрын
You explained your experience in such a beautiful way, brought tears to my eyes
@mueltenius6952
@mueltenius6952 3 ай бұрын
Peter has continued to teach me... I have been only to grasp hairs. I have listened to him many times over like slow soaking to assist my experience and be better human . Ty peter
@user-pp6jg1kq4i
@user-pp6jg1kq4i 4 ай бұрын
Could Shaman Oaks interview people of different faiths to discover how different their NDE’s are? It would help.
@vozdrasvima
@vozdrasvima 3 ай бұрын
I agree...we need more holistic approach
@SpookThaGeneral
@SpookThaGeneral 3 ай бұрын
Yes we need that to understand and know more.
@kristaalways
@kristaalways 2 ай бұрын
Right
@houseofMtattoos
@houseofMtattoos 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing. Death is not the end, it’s just takes time to conceptualize that idea that makes us uncomfortable. 🙏🏼❤️
@tingeling4443
@tingeling4443 4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this exiting story,Peter and Shaman Oaks🌷🌷🙏🙏
@Recklesshade
@Recklesshade 4 ай бұрын
A wonderful description of that experience. Thank you for the interview and thanks to Peter for sharing it
@ShamanOaks
@ShamanOaks 4 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@beloveddaughter717
@beloveddaughter717 4 ай бұрын
@@ShamanOaks , Alan, I wonder what clergy Mr. Peter Panagone was (or is) a member of? Do you know?
@ishouldhavehuggedher5565
@ishouldhavehuggedher5565 4 ай бұрын
The last I knew, he’s here in Maine in Boothbay Harbor. I don’t watch the local morning news anymore but he used to be featured for a few minutes in the morning giving spiritual advice and hope.
@beloveddaughter717
@beloveddaughter717 4 ай бұрын
Thank you! ❤
@PJ19596
@PJ19596 3 ай бұрын
​@@ShamanOaks Shaman, could you interview more people from different religious and faith backgrounds like hinduism for instance as well? To hear whether their religious views have an impact on their NDE
@s.f.morris7331
@s.f.morris7331 4 ай бұрын
this was the best nde I have ever heard. it brought me to tears.
@AuntieMamies
@AuntieMamies 4 ай бұрын
Different NDE stories are all different but yet all have the same components. The atmosphere, the feeling of unity with the universe, the infinite love. There's also terrifying ones where people end up in what they believe was hell. But it seems a lot of them were able to leave hell. Not all, and they have just come back and live with this fear. But these good stories are so beautiful. If this is what is gonna happen to me after I'm gone then I am actually very excited to go
@infamousfanclub
@infamousfanclub 4 ай бұрын
Shaman Oaks, well done here. I get great inspiration from your channel. These stories help me. God bless and keep up the great work!
@melissaporri1158
@melissaporri1158 4 ай бұрын
Really a beautiful interview! Also had an NDE and my experiences upon returning to this existence are very similar to those described by Peter.
@houseofwool
@houseofwool 4 ай бұрын
This reminds me of Amy Calls experience. Beautiful. Thank you for sharing. It resonates with me so much.
@moopius
@moopius 4 ай бұрын
I had a similar experience merging with the light. When I knew I had to come back I asked for the light to give me one thing to take with me. The light said "you cannot fail".
@trafficjon400
@trafficjon400 3 ай бұрын
The Brains master can make it do pretty much of anything for we do not understand the brain fully yet. I just wish the spirit would honestly show some anecdotal evidence and not just what our brain is capable of.
@timbaker4253
@timbaker4253 4 ай бұрын
This was spot on. Aligns 100% with how I have come to understand ultimate reality (though I’ve never had an experience like this). Thanks for sharing.
@JFairhart
@JFairhart 4 ай бұрын
I had an experience of talking with God, and I was very nervous before meeting Him. But the instant I was with Him, I relaxed knowing He accepted me completely. I felt so comfortable being with Him, I didn’t want it to end.
@carlosveguilla9077
@carlosveguilla9077 4 ай бұрын
Pray for me that God talks to me I quit drugs,cigs,and liquor now I have to quit sex al together and I have seen recently empty evil humans in my gym and I don't want to be a part of evil ever I pray everyday had a sister suck for 27 years then died birth name is Carlos veguilla please pray that God at least visits me in my dreams
@JFairhart
@JFairhart 4 ай бұрын
@carlosveguilla9077 - Carlos, keep your attention on the inner stillness of your heart and ignore the thoughts, worries in the mind. You will in time have peace of mind. Praying for you brother. 👍
@pinkifloyd7867
@pinkifloyd7867 4 ай бұрын
​​@@carlosveguilla9077Stop thinking or just sit and be with your inner sense of being aka god 😊... you are not your thoughts!
@sandraluder3004
@sandraluder3004 4 ай бұрын
Praying for you dear Brother, every prayer is heard by our Heavenly Father, your thirst for God prooves the Holy Spirits presence@@carlosveguilla9077
@carrier7399
@carrier7399 4 ай бұрын
@@carlosveguilla9077 God "talks" to us all of the time, we just need to listen. That thought that pops into your mind, may not be your thought, but God saying something to you. Any negative thoughts are coming from the devil, not God.
@marlenegaudet5554
@marlenegaudet5554 4 ай бұрын
I had a near death experience. Simplist way to say it was i was in a warm cacoon of unconditional love and warmth. But seeing the cosmos is part of it.
@maetompkins8360
@maetompkins8360 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing ❤
@adrianarcher874
@adrianarcher874 4 ай бұрын
Wonderful, eloquent and heart felt.
@glenndespres5317
@glenndespres5317 4 ай бұрын
I have read his book and listened to his story many times. Gripping and compelling on so many levels. I felt this one all over again. Peter is a good human and like all of us, a beautiful soul. He was gracious enough to meet me for coffee in his hometown when I was up that way a few summers ago . He continues to be a source of inspiration for me.
@janwarriner6554
@janwarriner6554 3 ай бұрын
Yet he denies God exists.
@glenndespres5317
@glenndespres5317 3 ай бұрын
@@janwarriner6554 I don’t understand how you can say this. Just not true. If he says he no longer ‘believes’ in God, it is because his ‘belief’ has been replaced by an unshakable ‘knowing’ that God IS.
@janwarriner6554
@janwarriner6554 3 ай бұрын
@@glenndespres5317 in the “more” section it states “he no longer believes in God.” That’s why I stated it. How can you not believe after an experience like that? You can’t know if you don’t believe.
@glenndespres5317
@glenndespres5317 3 ай бұрын
@@janwarriner6554I just watched it. When you say, “you can’t know if you don’t believe”, that’s exactly where you’re wrong. When you have knowledge of the truth, there is no need for belief. Belief and faith are needed only while the knowledge and direct experience has not yet happened. And it will happen.
@janwarriner6554
@janwarriner6554 3 ай бұрын
@@glenndespres5317 you just negated your own answer. “And it ‘will’ happen.” So it’s not happened yet. Perhaps your “truth” of him is BLIND faith.
@jeffsansone7576
@jeffsansone7576 3 ай бұрын
How wonderful and strange to hear someone describe this. Mine was nearly identical. And I've only told a few persons. They think I'm absolutely crazy. He's exactly right. I've tried to explain through analogies but persons can't get past what they've been brainwashed to think from their religious backgrounds. It's everything and nothing. No limits no borders no individuals but yet you know they are all there all around everywhere and overwhelming joy and contentment. No words. Communion of all thought and knowledge. It's beyond words.
@llm8268
@llm8268 4 ай бұрын
This was such a great NDE description by Peter. One of the most comprehensive, succinct and well told experiences out there.
@jim9337
@jim9337 3 ай бұрын
I almost didn't watch this, but I felt a real pulling, so I watched. Based on what God has been doing in my life recently, showing me the necessity of abandoning fear, this is just one more encouragement that all is well with my soul. Thank you for sharing this encounter.
@kberken
@kberken 4 ай бұрын
This story just gives me so much hope. Thank you.
@kenkaplan3654
@kenkaplan3654 4 ай бұрын
This was very inspiring. Two thoughts. He didn't lose his "faith" (in a universal sense), he lost his faith in a conventional religious sense. Like "Christian faith" or "Muslim faith". Second what he described is exactly the tenets of Advaita Vedanta, or the experiences of Kabir or Rumi, almost to a "T". Especially the veil of Maya on all creatures. Basically what he experienced is what great Yogis experience in "Samadhi" (superconscious state of absorption into the Divine or the ALL of existence.) It is experiencing the truth of our being. I had something similar, but not nearly as expansive, but deep immersion into Divine energy and love, happen in dreams for many years. Great recounting of that experience. Thanks for sharing. When He Himself reveals Himself, Brahma brings into manifestation That which can never be seen. As the seed is in the plant, as the shade is in the tree, as the void is in the sky, as infinite forms are in the void-- So from beyond the Infinite, the Infinite comes; and from the Infinite the finite extends. The creature is in Brahma, and Brahma is in the creature: they are ever distinct, yet ever united. He Himself is the tree, the seed, and the germ. He Himself is the flower, the fruit, and the shade. He Himself is the sun, the light, and the lighted. He Himself is Brahma, creature, and Maya. He Himself is the manifold form, the infinite space; He is the breath, the word, and the meaning. He Himself is the limit and the limitless: and beyond both the limited and the limitless is He, the Pure Being. He is the Immanent Mind in Brahma and in the creature. The Supreme Soul is seen within the soul, The Point is seen within the Supreme Soul, And within the Point, the reflection is seen again. Kabîr is blest because he has this supreme vision!
@lauramolecavage
@lauramolecavage 4 ай бұрын
yes when you go past this place and awaken its not easy being back i had a NDE shed your believe and live free
@oldchannel2015
@oldchannel2015 3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing ❤❤❤ God bless 😇
@JaniceManning-de7eg
@JaniceManning-de7eg 4 ай бұрын
Wow this is so real... I've experienced the same in my own way... beautiful. Thank you.
@wp912
@wp912 4 ай бұрын
How can we distinguish NDE's from dreams or visions a person has when unconscious? I once heard a story about a student who go knocked unconscious and dreamt an entire lifetime. He graduated, got married and everything in between. When he was awoken from his coma, he cried because what he had seen seemed so real that he didn't want to wake from it. How can we believe that NDE's are any different to other unconscious visions?
@ballhawk387
@ballhawk387 3 ай бұрын
We cannot. I've thought the very same thing. Yet, I have a sense that there is some sort of consciousness that does not just disappear, either. A great mystery.
@wesgraham2262
@wesgraham2262 4 ай бұрын
This resonates with me so much. But know this… we did NOT come here to experience unity and oneness. We left that true realm to experience the difficulty of separation and loss in order to grow, learn and experience which makes us stronger than just hearing obout it from the other side. Separation is an illusion we came here to experience, among so many other lessons. Earth is a school for advanced souls.
@NoraDean-bt3sw
@NoraDean-bt3sw 3 ай бұрын
So we can praise God for all eternity.
@pinetree5489
@pinetree5489 3 ай бұрын
Funny, I've tended to hear that 'earth-souls' are kind of the ones that are struggling something like 'special ed.'
@deboluccia
@deboluccia 3 ай бұрын
I agree that we come here for a purpose. Disagree that it's for advanced souls. Everybody wants to think they're part of some cool people's club. My understanding is that the universe is in a constant state of expansion and human souls have to expand to keep up. We grow most and fastest through adversity and direct personal experience. I look at it like one long martial arts class. That's my working hypothesis, if that's the right word. We're little kids learning to ride a bike and we're constantly falling off and wanting to quit.
@wesgraham2262
@wesgraham2262 3 ай бұрын
@@deboluccia - Great insights!
@kategenovese9306
@kategenovese9306 3 ай бұрын
@@deboluccia 9:13
@DSisco-ov4zm
@DSisco-ov4zm Ай бұрын
Your channel has helped me more than you know, Thank you 🙏
@runyon888
@runyon888 4 ай бұрын
Really glad I subscribed. Shaman Oaks never lets me down, as I wend my way along in life. This is good KZbin. (And this is an unsolicited opinion, one of very few I offer fhere in print.)
@raymondkymsuttle
@raymondkymsuttle 4 ай бұрын
One of the biggest problems I have with the whole concept of living as a lesson/school/development is that if we are from a place of perfection then there’s no need to learn anything as we’re perfect already. So what’s the point of life & suffering?
@chrismoji9403
@chrismoji9403 3 ай бұрын
I have this question too. And why do we have to reincarnate with our memories erased? It doesn't feel efficient to have to learn the same things over and over because we can't remember the first five, ten, five hundred times we learned them.
@gagankaur937
@gagankaur937 3 ай бұрын
We are just a video game for some evolved aliens
@PJ19596
@PJ19596 3 ай бұрын
​@@chrismoji9403 I wonder, what if we're living in the karmic cycle, and Jesus came so we could have nirvana through Him in God
@sparkysmom7149
@sparkysmom7149 3 ай бұрын
Feeling others experiences
@martinrogers6059
@martinrogers6059 3 ай бұрын
You come from your creators who won't let you stay in the place you say is Perfect because you are Not Perfect yet and our Not Ready yet to live there. That's why incarnating is a Schooling. Rudolf Steiner - the Greatest Initiate of our Time describes all the regions of the Spiritual Worlds and our relationship to them . Best books - Theosophy - An Outline of Esoteric Science. 😉👍
@smkozlowski
@smkozlowski 4 ай бұрын
My question is related to your loved ones. I love my wife and kids so much, I can't stand the thought of leaving them. How do NDE returners deal with this?
@bevturquoise4651
@bevturquoise4651 4 ай бұрын
you are very well spoken, thank you.
@onederment
@onederment 4 ай бұрын
I bought your audio book a couple of years back... Nice to see you in person. But it looks like I've met you before. ... and we find ourselves back here...
@jonah0311
@jonah0311 3 ай бұрын
I had a similar experience twice. I didn’t want to come back so bad that I dissociated completely and went into psychosis for a year straight
@fred1732
@fred1732 4 ай бұрын
that God is not the God of every religion and that is what I like about the video! thank you so much to both of you for sharing that!!!
@stephenberry8658
@stephenberry8658 3 ай бұрын
His words.. Ultimate Divine Beauty... Fabulous insight. Divine 💕 LOVE Gift Of Divinity
@lorip1435
@lorip1435 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing your story!!
@meghoward2610
@meghoward2610 4 ай бұрын
I too refused to go when I had the choice. After turning down the offer the second time I was told I would have to suffer.Now all I want to do is to go HOME. Thanks for sharing.
@user-ct4zw6yx1q
@user-ct4zw6yx1q 4 ай бұрын
Me too, life sucks
@chris.eskimo
@chris.eskimo 3 ай бұрын
That certainly doesn't sound like a 'loving God '.
@Jeff-iz9hn
@Jeff-iz9hn 3 ай бұрын
It sounds like a harvesting of our suffering.
@ridhamatri9447
@ridhamatri9447 3 ай бұрын
Life is suffering
@ridhamatri9447
@ridhamatri9447 3 ай бұрын
We all suffer, you're not alone.
@eric-wb7gj
@eric-wb7gj 4 ай бұрын
TY🙏🙏
@babeita1420
@babeita1420 Ай бұрын
Thank you! One love!
@contralto25
@contralto25 3 ай бұрын
Wow, this is it! This is what I know is true! This explains why I feel disconnected from my life as a physical being, no satisfaction even though I have loads to be thankful for.
@jdean2131
@jdean2131 4 ай бұрын
Great Channel. Nicely Done ✅
@ShamanOaks
@ShamanOaks 4 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@Sea_05431
@Sea_05431 4 ай бұрын
He describes home so well.❤
@user-cz2ds2jg1m
@user-cz2ds2jg1m 4 ай бұрын
Thank you, I just needed that ❤
@ThiHambrook
@ThiHambrook 4 ай бұрын
You have a great way with words 👻 Really enjoyable listening to 🎉
@cbahm
@cbahm 4 ай бұрын
I envy your lack of doubt! I wouldn’t want to nearly die to glimpse that, as you did, but the major thing I’ve always wanted is that kind of serene knowledge. // Also wondering: Did you experience any self-doubt afterward, such as wrestling with fears that you just imagined that heavenly reality?
@JulietCrowson
@JulietCrowson 4 ай бұрын
He said: "I know God is real" Wow !
@DrJohnPollard
@DrJohnPollard 4 ай бұрын
I like this experience, well explained with the vagueness needed to describe such an experience.
@carlosveguilla9077
@carlosveguilla9077 4 ай бұрын
Thanl you for your testimony so beautiful
@kingfarathor6165
@kingfarathor6165 4 ай бұрын
I have a question for peter did you see animals in this afterlife.
@strikemaster1
@strikemaster1 4 ай бұрын
Blessed are those who have the knowing without a NDE. When you know, faith is not required. Faith is for babies and like babies faith can grow. If you do not feed your faith, it will die or at the very least remain stagnant.
@trafficjon400
@trafficjon400 3 ай бұрын
Manipulated is the man who uses his brain. Great manipulations from the Empires from the great past. Creator wouldn't manipulate his way with us.
@trafficjon400
@trafficjon400 3 ай бұрын
dishonestly that is?
@christmasborn107
@christmasborn107 3 ай бұрын
So awesome. Thanks for sharing.
@zackmackmusic6655
@zackmackmusic6655 2 ай бұрын
Peter, you have the gift of communication. I think only a very small percentage of NDE experiencers have the ability to communicate that which is timeless, infinite, and also nonlinear (basically incommunicable), in human language, and be able to allude to, or “point,” to the energetic conditions behind the words. The patriarch of the Chan/Zen tradition would many times, allude to the complete inability to communicate the ‘suchness,’ of their awakening, prior to having spoken any other words about the matter (ie Before I’ve uttered a single word, it is futile and inept to even try but here goes). Of course, the words fail as placeholders for the infinite, but I appreciate your “Zen“ words and your attempts are not lost on us, thank you!
@Trekopolis
@Trekopolis 4 ай бұрын
I've listened to many testimonies about NDE and I'm excited to leave this low density place and get on with something new. We choose to come here for specific reasons and when you have to endure all the pain and suffering this planet makes us go through I often question myself nearly each day as to WHY did I choose this? Ok, I get it... yeah, life is hard, life is painful, life is not fun most of the time. I shake my head and think why would I want to leave such a magnificent and loving environment to experience the physical? One day I want to understand my true intent here so my questions can be finally answered because logically it makes zero sense to why we'd choose this.
@mreverybody1150
@mreverybody1150 4 ай бұрын
It all makes sense through the study of the Bible, renewing of the mind through the Word, and allowing the Holy Spirit to guide us. The Word is living and when you get it in your heart, you will realize this. NDE are just a distraction but a very effective one.
@Trekopolis
@Trekopolis 4 ай бұрын
The Bible made me more confused (studied it for years) because it uses scare tactics and makes us out to be bad people (sin) right from the start. I'm not buying into that part, but I do take from the Bible the common sense things like love and kindness. I feel religion was tweaked over the centuries to control societies and it works. I was there once, but chose to put aside doctrine to do further soul searching, learning from channeling. Check out Abraham Hicks and Kryon and simply listen. If you can't resonate with the information then you are simply not ready for it and that's okay. Religion puts us in a box with rules and rituals. It's also okay to disagree for we're all on our own path to enlightenment. Once we make our transitions we will laugh about all this because nobody truly knows until we get there. The key to life I found is joy and whatever means someone needs to do that is a choice. I enjoy listening to NDEs because it gives me a glimpse of what's in store and I am so looking forward to it. @@mreverybody1150
@marioserafin3177
@marioserafin3177 4 ай бұрын
Blessed are they they that believe and yet have not seen. For us Jesus is the way the truth and the life, this is not religion but a way for life that is true freedom. Many think religion is their to control us by men this is because there are two ways one is dead religion of do's and don'ts is is of this world, causes us to worship men with titles, it is sensual and of this world and is actually darkness posing as light the other is true light and freedom and an anchor in the darkness of this world. God himself gives us the authority to choose for ourselves which way to follow.
@trafficjon400
@trafficjon400 3 ай бұрын
are you like most by cherry picking like we all do. You couldn't honestly show any scriptures out of contradiction in any way say we have NDE Anecdotally' is not proven by man for reason. strange thing happens by man to believe man when Scriptures explain never to trust man.@@mreverybody1150
@trafficjon400
@trafficjon400 3 ай бұрын
No wonder why Scriptures say never to trust Man!! When man is all we have is to trust anecdotally makes Spirit sound false. being a theist, spirit makes it hard for clear skeptical intelligent individuals!!! also the honest theist who see's it with out fear but, being honest, know its not a sin. simply by using the brain once in a while for the creator gave us this brain. it also speaks never to trust man. I hope and pray the scriptures keeps from any possible contradictory.
@elrenso
@elrenso 4 ай бұрын
Agreed 100% there is no doubt, God and we are the real deal and that’s an understatement by a trillion.
@Paula-go3tl
@Paula-go3tl 4 ай бұрын
I am so excited to go home. Can not wait to feel completely loved again.
@dalton-jon-f5791
@dalton-jon-f5791 4 ай бұрын
I like this mans story its very spiritual
@JohnSmith-cf4gn
@JohnSmith-cf4gn 4 ай бұрын
Without mentioning Jesus I can't believe him.
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