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One argument that Protestants like Dr. Gavin Ortlund make is that early Christians like Origen (185-253) denied that intercessory prayers could be made to the Saints. But is that true? It turns out, digging a little deeper reveals a very different picture.
Chapters
0:00 - Intro
0:08 - Recap
4:40 - Gavin's argument
4:56 - my preface
7:36 - Gavin on Orgien
9:07 - my response & hermeneutics
10:32 - Gavin on Origen prt2
14:15 - prayer and its species
19:01 - Origen's Trinitarian Theology
21:55 - A helpful chart
23:14 - Gavin on Origen prt3
23:27 - Origen's On Prayer
32:35 - Prayer in The Body of Christ
35:07 - Gavin's response to me
36:38 - Gavin and Estrangement
39:00 - Placation
49:41 - Pagan Origins
57:52 - Gavin's Arguments from Silence
1:00:59 - Parables
1:07:00 - Straw men?
1:14:00 - Patristic argument
1:15:39 - literally no evidence
1:6:50 - where we agree
Gavin's Video with transcript:
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