VENGEANCE RISING - White Throne (First Listen)

[@rogerdalemartin8619]

I enjoyed the video Mr. Diablo. Thanks for the honor and respect

[@MichaelBuchanan-69]

Shane if you didn't know, Roger is one of the founding members of Vengeance renamed to Vengeance Rising. Roger if you don't mind, what might you be working on these days?

[@rogerdalemartin8619]

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[@rogerdalemartin8619]

@@MichaelBuchanan-69 My band, Reign of Glory, is launching our debut album on August 12, 2022. (3 1/2 weeks)

[@rogerdalemartin8619]

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[@MichaelBuchanan-69]

@@rogerdalemartin8619 Cool. Looking forward to hearing it. I will look up your new band. Thanks for responding.

[@MatthewFrasca-eq8mt]

Pray for Roger Martinez soul

[@lukearends7233]

When this came out, all of us guitar players were quick to learn the opening riff for this song. It never gets old.

[@slamdancer777]

Larry Farkas is awesome!

[@unemployed23]

My first mosh pit was vengeance rising, the crucified, and deliverance at the Apple community center back in 90ish

[@Jasen-M74]

Nice.

[@seanc2788]

I got into this band back in the 80's! I still listen to this band today. They have some classic Christian tunes. Great message!!

[@m1ss.n1na]

Same 🔥

[@d.c.jeanes6577]

Their first two albums are insane. I’ve also been a fan since the 80s!

[@seanc2788]

@@d.c.jeanes6577 What are your favorite tunes from them? I think the Once Dead album is my favorite. When that came out, it was a total game changer in Christian metal.

[@d.c.jeanes6577]

@@seanc2788Yeah, man! Once Dead is definitely my favorite of the two, but only by a really tight margin. Warfare, Can’t Get Out, and Milligan Stew are favorites, but honestly listened to those albums on cassette for years, but never remembered all the song names… I would venture to say Deliverance ‘Weapons of our Warfare’ and Tourniquet’s ‘Psycho Surgery’ are brilliant thrash albums around that time, too!

[@seanc2788]

@@d.c.jeanes6577 The opening song Warfare and The Whipping Post are both top songs for me on that album.

[@howardbeale661]

The beginning of "White Throne" always brings the Phantasm theme to mind...

[@CorvusCandidus]

Human Sacrifice is an excellent album, and I also like Once Dead a lot. Grew up listening to these masterpieces!

[@christopherkeene7676]

I love this band! They were all good friends of mine from our church, Sanctuary. I designed and worked on the makeup for the first two album covers. For the first few performances, I also worked on staging a live crucifixion drama as part of their stage show.

[@gabead]

Hey Christopher! I met you a couple of times when I lived with Bob My name is Gabriel. You probably won't remember me though. It was a long time ago (1994-1996) when Sanctuary moved to Nashville.

[@slamdancer1720]

another former Sanctuary, Remember you well. God Bless

[@Wrennegade]

Who designed the white throne T-shirt? I'd like to get another one! It had guy screaming on the front at white throne judgement and band logo on back.🤘

[@christopherkeene7676]

There were many tee shirts out there. What did the artwork look like on the shirt that you are thinking about?

[@larrytowe6672]

This band was so far before its time, the Christian church didn't know what to do with them. I love them, before they came out with their first album I had wrote them a letter and ordered their demo. When I got my demo of vengeance, I was wondering why I didn't get a response on my letter. So I turned on the demo and I listen to it and I turned it on the other side to see what was on it, it was actually Rodger Martinez parsley answering every question that I had on my letter. I still pray for my brother that God would change his heart, as a young teenager what he did for me and the time that he took out to answer my letter was pretty special.

[@kevinfhaney]

I don't care if the lead singer is not Christian anymore I'll always love this band's music

[@GhostDrummer]

I listen to the first two albums all the time.

[@tristramcoffin926]

Loved watching your Jack Black routine while listening to this song. This one brings back memories. Btw, you simply have to visit Believer. Their first 3 albums especially were all great. They evolved into this prog thrash thing that was unique at the time and have since reformed to continue down that path. I am pretty sure they were the first metal band to introduce symphonic and opera elements into their sound. I recommend Gone of of Dimensions ( although that entire album is nearly perfect ) or Dies Irae from Sanity Obscure. You can basically put the track listing of the first three records on a dart board though and whatever you hit will be a worthy song.

[@Packerscorner]

Listen to “Beheaded.” You’ll be floored! Super fast song with a crazy meaning!

[@m1ss.n1na]

Is that Vengeance?

[@mavickers]

Goodness, very entertaining! I would love to see your hysterical reactions to their hysterical cover of Space Trucking.

[@isaacpatterson6401]

The entire band quit after recording released upon the earth due to issues with Martinez the vocalist. They formed Die Happy with Robin Kyle Basauri on vocals, then later Formed Once Dead.

[@ChrisCorwin]

I still pull out Die Happy sometimes, but I always go back to Vengeance Rising.

[@m1ss.n1na]

Still love Vengeance after 30 years ❤

[@brianlang6480]

Legendary album in the Christian thrash/speed scene. Great live shows as well! Their first two albums are fantastic. Check them both out!

[@ftldelay]

I got this when it came out and it blew my mind.... Thankfully I got to see them live here in Maryland back in the day (9/28/1990 to be exact). GREAT show!!

[@johnwojciech5245]

I have the flu this week. Your video brought me many smiles. Thank you. Personally, I 'snuck' this cassette into my house when it was released. Mezmerized by Farkas' taste and ability. Nobody comes close to making things as interesting as he does/did. Awesome. Shane - You should do a video of the song "Mindbender" by, "The Crucified". I'd love to hear your take on it.

[@willryu8994]

Man! I enjoy your content brother. I don’t know if this will ever happen, but you belong on TV with your own show. You crack me up and I’m sure thousands of others as well, keep doing what you’re doing. Bringing laughter into the hearts of metal heads and old metal heads alike. Peace, God bless my friend.

[@mountbrocken]

My favorite song is Beheaded. I saw them in 1990 in Austin. They were AMAZING! I met Roger and he encouraged me to send him a cassette of my band's music.

[@aaroncurrent1374]

Glad you do Christian Metal man Love your channel

[@RobbiRocks]

For a very 1st listen, How did you know the accents in the intro of the song? I have this on Cassette, Amazing album.

[@Firehwk203]

Thanks for doing this one @shanediablo and great reaction. Entertaining as always. Few metal/thrash songs were as memorable as the “nowhere to run, nowhere to hide” song I would hear on the radio. Not sure what happened with Roger, but I hear the other members still play Vengeance Rising songs under the name “Once Dead.”

[@Nick-fi1mc]

Man, this song makes me want to run to the center of a war, while at the same time give my life to Christ immediately!!!

[@MatthewFrasca-eq8mt]

I needed to read this about rededication to Jesus

[@Nick-fi1mc]

@@MatthewFrasca-eq8mt brother, it'll be the best decision you ever made!! Rededicate your life to Christ, because he is the only answer in this crazy satanic world! Jesus Christ is coming for his church soon. Please my friend, rededicate! There is no peace outside of Jesus. He loves you that much and maybe through what I wrote HE was able to reach you again.... Jesus Christ is awesome and I hope you re dedicate your life to HIM! God bless you my friend

[@johnaviles6800]

He used to be my pastor. I really love The Crucified, Believers first album, and Tourniquet!

[@ge-20express75]

You did a reaction to a band called Ultimatum awhile back. The lead singer, Scott Waters was the lead singer for "Once Dead".

[@ShaneDiablo]

I know Scott Waters I enjoy his channel, he seems like a really nice dude!

[@slamdancer777]

@@ShaneDiablo He is, and very knowledgeable about metal.

[@mystereedsayshi9102]

Very cool. I haven’t heard them in quite a while. Grew up, listening to Christian punk, thrash, etc. I was never a huge fan of his voice, but the first two albums have some amazing riffs and songs. I did see them in 93 but unfortunately it was the second lineup, not the original. And there was a big big difference. Great players, but the vibe it was not the same and they didn’t concentrate on the older songs, which are far superior. The Spotify list you mentioned is pretty solid recommendations for other good songs by them, but you should definitely listen to Can’t Get Out on Once Dead. Meanwhile, while I’m here, I highly recommend the Crucified. The first album is self titled and the second album is called Pillars of Humanity. There’s a fair difference, both in sound and production quality between the two. The first is punk thrash, and a little Hardcore, and the second is more straight up thrash.

[@danieklerr]

I grew up in a Christian home, with extremely overbearing (abusive) parents. I was also in to extreme metal/hardcore/punk/industrial. I loved Vengeance. Now, all these years later, I'm watching this and realizing the opening guitar work is VERY similar to "Evil Dead" by Florida band Death, from Scream Bloody Gore, which came out in May of 1987. One year before Human Sacrifice. I owned both albums at the time, and probably noticed back then, but I'd completely forgotten. Also, both guitar riffs are variations on the theme from the movie Phantasm. Vengeance's guitar piece is closer to the Phantasm theme than Death's, but I recommend anyone listen to all three masterpieces.

[@ShaneDiablo]

Fantastic comment my friend!

[@coldacre]

surely you've heard Entombed "Left hand path"? that spooky synth thing at the end is EXACTLY the same as the intro to "White Throne". note for note

[@moshkteer]

I still have all their cds. Had the good fortune to see them live once back in the early 90's Released Upon The Earth is my fave

[@jamesharper3933]

Yes, this was one of the first Christian thrash metal bands. I love this album the most. Definitely check into Believer (Extraction From Mortality cd), Detritus (Taste the Blood) and Seventh Angel (The Charmer).

[@freerideforever888]

Heavy!!!! Love it very originalness!!!! Vengeance Rising!!!!!!

[@dcxrobinson]

I meant Roger Martinez (hung out with him) at a Christian Music Fest in Upstate New York in 1990, Vengeance didn't play but Sacred Warrior was there. A bunch of us got Roger and Sacred Warrior to perform at their set " The Flood" which features Roger Martinez. It was a hilight of that year for me! You should do Sacred Warrior "The Flood" Amazing Song!

[@Wrennegade]

Owned the shirt pretty sure Mom lost it on purpose!! Love the way Martinez sung the intro lyrics to white thrown! These guys were my heros🤘🤘

[@mortifiedmuSICK]

Huge fan of EVERYTHING!!! Released upon the earth IS EPIC!!!

[@darthuncle]

Never saw them live. But I had all their albums and listened on repeat daily.

[@joshdieckmann595]

My first exposure to Vengeance Rising was this song on a compilation album, followed by the purchase of the band's last album on CD, and then ordering a copy of this debut at some point later. Always enjoyed their output, though the debut and last album ended up being my favorites, oddly enough.

[@kevintucker6000]

Great reaction. I hope you check out some more Vengeance Rising music.

[@RedMcc]

I LOVE THIS SONG!

[@ShaneDiablo]

this sunday we are doing Can't Get Out by Vengeance Rising!

[@darkshadowsfilmsandadventu2339]

I seen them several times live @ C Stone either in 87 or 88 and they have 1 video recorded studio....and 2 of the guys from Vegeance Rising stayed with Sacred Warrior for a month or 2 I got 2 hang out with them and Vengeance Rising is on A song with Sacred Warrior called the Flood...more Awesome actually live

[@dpwellman]

I was hitting you up on Seventh Angel... "The Dust of Years" should be available. Look for track "The Raven Sky".

[@ShaneDiablo]

You got it David gonna do it for you! It might be a week or twon but look for it, I will do it in your honor!

[@mortifiedmuSICK]

Greatest Christian band of all time

[@MissAlthea]

I think you meant a Jackie Collins novel. This was one in the split column for me....I thought the music was great but the vocal drove me out of my tree. I busted when you likened it to Gonzo...throw in just a dash of Grover, too!

[@Wrennegade]

It was the white throne shirt with a screaming guys head on the front that was standing at white throne judgement the art work took up the whole front of T-shirt and on the back it had black vengeance rising logo across shoulders. I've looked everywhere on Internet to no avail. Thanks for responding🤙

[@christopherkeene7676]

I remember the shirt. No clue who did that one?

[@Wrennegade]

Appreciate man I remember buying it from Vengeance merchant at once dead concert I can't even find a image of it on net anywhere anyways good memories take care🤙

[@fundyfundametalist6774]

I watch quite a few of your videos, but all the Christian metal ones. You do brilliant stuff! Try Tourniquet's The Threshing Floor. Go on! Please! No one else would ask that! :D :D

[@larryfarkas]

Thanks Shane.

[@blairbowers769]

Got to see and meet this band as a teenager. The whole band signed my cassette liner. The have my full on metal respect 🤘🏼

[@elizeuoliveira1238]

Magnífico brilhante e visceral Band! Bandassassa com álbuns incríveis..... Perfeito 👏👏👏!

[@corpsgrinder323]

They had a life sized Jesus on the cross behind them as they played their set it was at a church so I thought it was part of the church but to my surprise Jesus came to life during the last song can't remember 1987 or 88? But yeah they kicked ass been a fan since

[@amysson5151]

Lyrics on screen, please

[@tp3922]

When the original lineup fall apart, lead singer is said to purchase the rights to Vengeance Rising from the band. Then the band tried to reform Vengeance Rising, but Roger Martin threatened lawsuit - so they rename themselves die-happy to avoid the possible lawsuit. This is what I read somewhere about a decade ago, not sure where, or a video clip about Rogers' atheism views of God and christianity.

[@momaw627]

@9:38 Bakadoo kata pingping 🤘😂🤘

[@amysson5151]

Enjoy your channel since all the Christian metal songs are so interesting as well as talented. Keep on with the Christian music reactions.

[@ShaneDiablo]

Oh we have a lot coming my friend.

[@sodabob]

I saw these guys at "Metal Fest" circa 1989, in central Illinois. It's been way too long for me to remember specifics, but I remember them putting on an amazing show! I still have their t-shirt with the "Human Sacrifice" album cover somewhere as a keepsake. And you're right, he's got an amazing voice, one of the few "cookie monster" vocalists I like because it sounds good and you can actually (with a few listens) understand most of what he's saying. :) They are solidly in my list of top Christian metal bands, along with Deliverance, Bloodgood, Sacred Warrior, Barren Cross, and Stryper (among several others). And yes, they put out at least a few music videos.

[@kevinfhaney]

Into the abyss is my favorite Vengeance Rising song

[@guitarmanmc2620]

I’ve seen them live, at cornerstone back in 1989. Awesome concert..

[@Poguey2009]

Great band then and they still hold a place in my heart. I actually have letters from back in the day when they were struggling and when Roger was trying to keep the band together, I also have boycott letters from later 90's when Roger was losing everything and he was very angry, yep I still have them, I never did get that t-shirt I ordered, that and it all hurt me...

[@Charlie_Walker777]

Cookie Monster / Gonzo You're Killing Me😂 Loved this Album back in the 80's Still Awesome now!!

[@Plethora_of_Paucity]

First time seeing one of your vids. Clearly you have a penchant for music when you strum & drum along on your “first listen”, but rather curious that you mouth the lyrics - like you’ve heard it before..?

[@ShaneDiablo]

I get that alot haha and I understand, but I promise ALL of the songs I do on First Listens are first listens, it would be boring for me to listen and then record, if I have an skills at all it is air drums, air guitar, air tambourine and air vocals...

[@isaacpatterson6401]

Also Detritus album Perpetual Defiance album

[@kevinfhaney]

Maybe he also sounds like Taz a little bit

[@iihfnurse]

saw them live at cornerstone when they were billed as "the flowers of power". Short set that was incredible, but visibly appeared like they were not getting along. Best song of the set was, "into the abyss".

[@garyhanis4104]

I luv everything about this album!

[@m1ss.n1na]

Same 👌🏻

[@davidmajor4484]

Larry Farkas of VR wails on guitar !

[@Tbone.357]

Saw them on their first tour through Minneapolis and hung out with Roger Martinez, the vocalist. He tried to talk me and my buddy into a pyramid scheme selling Melaleuca products. Lol. Dude was a hustler from back in the day. Very interesting guy and did a total flip-flop and now he's recovering from cancer and trying to get a re-release of the original album with different lyrics. Not sure if he'll get to it but that would be pretty cool. We took him to Red lobster and he had the swordfish. Lol. Played pool with the other dudes in the band before they did their set. Down to earth cool guys. Sorry things didn't work out for them financially. It also was the thing that sparked Rogers departure from the band and from the faith. Crazy story....

[@alangary9893]

This was an awesome band i think the other members should Record more music under tge name The Rising .insteaf of Once Dead .since Roger Martinez owns rights to the name Vengeance Rising

[@EshuOdara21]

i could never get past roger martinez's vocals....

[@m1ss.n1na]

Love Christian metal ❤

[@extramile669]

I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned this yet but Martinez is now a satinist no joke and thats crazy because my folks used to say that about them when i was young and always stood up for them but low and behold he makes the change 😮

[@extramile669]

Looks like you may be addressed what I was speaking of already LOL I spoke to soon

[@dcxrobinson]

Interesting Story, The hand of Jesus is Pastor Bob Beeman of Sanctuary International.

[@MichaelBuchanan-69]

These guys were pioneers in the Christian music world. One of the very first Thrash/Death metal bands. The band was making major waves in the secular music scene. But they fell apart by the 90's. Glenn Rogers (Singer) has become an Atheist and is now a real-estate agent in California. Sad tale of a band that could have been. Oh and Die Happy is a fantastic band but is not thrash/death in nature. Love Vengeance Rising. Oh and they used to open for themselves as Flowers of Power.

[@Raketengitarre]

The Singer was Roger Martinez, not Glenn Rogers

[@MichaelBuchanan-69]

@@Raketengitarre You are correct. I miss wrote that.

[@slamdancer777]

@@Raketengitarre but Glenn Rogers is responsible for a lot of the writing on Human Sacrifice.

[@davidkline03]

Destruction comes is they're best work.... The drumming is great!

[@BradThePitts]

Fun Facts" 1. The band was first called just Vengeance. 2. That's Pastor Bob's hand, he founded the "Sanctuary" rock and roll church 3. Crucifixion was through the wrists, not the hands as a nail through the hand would not hold up the body. 4. Many Christian bookstores would not carry this album because of the cover. 5. The only band of this genre I know of that has blues-scale based guitar solos.

[@dbgomez]

That was awesome!! Do Buddhist Metal Next!

[@gmancaruso]

Hi Shane , I know you only have what info that you find online but just a fyi...that bio you read was about 25% truth and 75% way off . PS. Appreciate giving it a first listen 👍🏻

[@therealjamesbaker9138]

They were entertaining if nothing else - their style was so extreme that it's hard to take seriously. Similar to Slayer but with a Death Metal/Cookie Monster vocalist I don't think there's ever been another CCM band like it, and I'm not sure there ever will be

[@MercedesVasquez-di9wc]

My son was one of his drummes his name Johnny Vasquez. sadly we were witness to his downfall. After starting as a Christian band he became disappointed and continued as secular. They were very popular in thoze days with all headbangers

[@GhostDrummer]

I love their first two albums. The Whipping Post from Once Dead is one of my favorite songs of theirs. It has two guitar solos. His voice is unusual but it’s not this crazy on Once Dead.

[@damonmillar8647]

Heaviest band in the late 80s, awesome 🤘

[@gordonteats298]

That's. A powerful cd

[@davidmajor4484]

Seventh Angel is worth pursuing Just seen the channel for the first time

[@aaroncurrent1374]

Saw Vengeance with just Roger before he fell with George Ochoa from Deliverance

[@earthwormsoup]

The vocal style is very similar to the band MACABRE. Check them out! Serial killer metal 🤘

[@mortifiedmuSICK]

Greatest vocalist EVER

[@morbidmetal1355]

Getting phantasm vibes

[@ccpallad]

still listen to this band today. i thought that dual guitar sound from the first album was on par with the best metal bands.

[@radd1701e]

The only albums I got in to were Human Sacrifice and Once Dead. After that things just went totally sideways.

[@Bynkowsky]

Hello Whats up Shane ?! Do You remember Acid Drinkers? So I have another track for U Acid Drinkers - 25 cents for a riff All the best my friend 🤘🏼

[@kevinfhaney]

The lead singers got kind of like that Tasmanian Devil sound to his voice like some other singers I've heard before

[@aaroncurrent1374]

One of my favorite Bands Larry Farkas Doug Thieme and Roger Dale Martin are Great! DIE HAPPY is good you need to check them also part of the exodus from Vengeance is Once Dead you should check out Visions of Hell

[@02sbone]

Didn't like vengeance but LOVED DIE HAPPY and RED SEA

[@weskent1884]

When Human Sacrifice came out, it was the most controversial thing to happen to Christian music.

[@shopofdoom]

I wouldn't be a Christian today if not for this record. It was so important that I hand copied the lyrics word for word with a red pen.

[@adrathemetaloutlaw754]

Totally dig the thrash vibe in the music. The Vox give me the meh...but that could change later one if I hear more of these guys

[@erickistler66]

Antestor is a unblack metal band. Or Christian black metal.

[@crucifyd]

Shane, for live video from back in the day, watch the Vengeance No Budget Video kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4rEmYl6h6-pqNU

[@Thecouchpatatoshow]

Before the time video

[@shopofdoom]

The Crucified, Deliverance, Tourniquet and Vengeance Rising were the "big four" of Christian Thrash.

[@bradbarber4875]

Saw these guys in 90/91 but cannot remember the line up(other than Martinez) 2 other interesting notes- they had to add "Rising" to their name after a conflict with anotherband of the same name- you'll see the updated name on the same covers. After becoming an atheist, he announced he became a satanist. He reached out to me personally in the 2000s to invest with him...weird He got my info from mail ordering from them in early 90s.... no matter what happened, the first 3 albums remain amazing

[@slamdancer777]

Maybe Warfare from Once Dead. They were awesome live. Always a killer pit.

[@isaacpatterson6401]

Threatpoint check em out

[@nastycanadian1975]

VENGEANCE! "+"