New Smart Trainer Announcements: Cycplus T3 // Magene T600 // Saris H3+

[@PHC24]

Using mageng T100 since 2020 till today. Over 1000 hours of use, still as good as new.

[@kvloover]

it's easy to forget there are other trainers out there aside from the obvious 3 brands, cheers for the overview

[@paulschulman8131]

You know the T600 will be special when the advert slogan says “Glory Road”

[@NathanGuerraTV]

😂

[@maxab7e63s5]

Man my h3 still going strong after 4 years knock on H3 metal. But would not mind the 10 hz mode.

[@strouja]

Thanks Shane. Great insight as usual

[@LorenzMapTV]

Just got my Magene T600 will test it next week.

[@gplama]

Keep me posted!

[@telkmx]

How did it go?

[@diegoalonsolozadaromero8917]

hi, do you made a video?

[@LorenzMapTV]

@ yes! Its on my channel

[@mikeburton8426]

The true authority on indoor trainers and a great no bullshit review. Oh, wait… it was a 2-bullshit review! Haha… I’m thinking of buying a lower cost backup trainer and a GPLama stamp of approval is a must!

[@rhezaandrianta2380]

I had t200 magene for almost 2 years now, and it does very good job, the downside only are the accoustics isn't as good as new, but the performance are perfect same as new.

[@Darlh123]

Awesome succinct recap of new trainers!

[@johnnyboy4711]

nice one Shane!

[@rivingtonandstanton]

This preview and recent moves by Elite are encouraging. Especially after the (heart)breaking news of the Neo 3M - and Garmin/Tacx’s stunning display of market ignorance and product development hubris. Hopefully they will undergo the same reckoning and redemption that Wahoo appears to be going through. If Magene and others do not simply render them irrelevant before then.

[@mahonah]

I'm looking forward to improvements to the CYCPLUS trainer and very impressed with the stated support offered by the Magene trainer. I'm not really impressed with the Saris trainer but after their recent rough patch I suppose this is a start in the right direction.

[@JeremyDawesJezweb]

How reassuring to know that chance of mild electric shock have been resolved 😂

[@BeeblebroxTV]

At least T2 users couldn't claim to not be fully awake when they started a race, haha :D

[@NathanGuerraTV]

​@BeeblebroxTV you should get one 🔌

[@japmkam]

Would love to see you try to mount a tandem on any of these.

[@jdk1987ckk]

We have had a tandem mounted on our H3 (not +) for well over a year. No problems.

[@terrysale3655]

I've had the T600 for a few weeks. It's been working well so far and very responsive compared to my old flywheel based trainer. Power seems about right, though I don't have set up to accurately measure it. Road feel function I have not managed to get working with Zwift as yet.

[@gplama]

They list: "The feature will be available with an update to Onelap App in the first half of 2024. For an enhanced experience, it is recommended to use the trainer while it's plugged in." I wouldn't expect it with Zwift for a while, if at all.

[@dylanl9532]

I bought a T600. When I compare the power data from magene T600 and my on bike power meter. I find that the power data from magene T600 is just a joke. It's like the power curve is mixed in with a sin wave noise of some sort. It's so far off from the +-1% accuracy claim. It's more like +-5% with the noise. The power number is always high when sprinting, and it's always low when riding normal. Basically it means that your power data from the trainer would not be comparable to your power data from your bike. And if you do short intervals (30 seconds), the difference could be as high as 10% (think 10% of 500w is 50w). I had to return the unit back to magene headquarter. And in their exam, they just rode the trainer for 20 mins (I suspect in ergo mode) and showed me that the avg and normalized power is within 1 percent to a quarq power meter and a garmin vector power meter. They didn't show me the power curve at all. And they claimed the unit was fine. I had to file a compliant against the seller to the consumer protection agency in order to return the unit and get a refund.

[@SanaLambo]

@@dylanl9532 Hi. Do you have any news?

[@glennicol1361]

I just hit 10000km on the Magene T100 still going except it is making some clunking noises.

[@onlycoolnameleft]

Doesn't winter start December 22nd in the Northern Hemisphere?

[@jeskli11]

December 21st, but nevermind, there's already around 20cm of snow where I live in central Europe and around just 400m asl.

[@gplama]

Depends on how you calibrate your seasons. Apparently Shimano are calibrating them here in Ballarat. It's bloody freezing here on the first day of summer!

[@Dylang01]

Seasons in Australia start on the 1st of the month. So today is the start of summer in Australia. Which means to an Australian today is also the start of the NH winter.

[@HobbyHoarder]

Meteorological winter starts on December 1, while the winter solstice (shortest day of the year) is around 21.

[@jonathanzappala]

I got an h3 for sub $500 in the sale right before the bankruptcy went public. With today’s prices I kind of regret that, everyone else has new features, and I bet they never will with their financial problems. It’s a fine trainer though and I like that it is made in the USA.

[@walcottav]

Same here. It's certainly fine for my needs though and the price was right for replacing my Saris wheel-on trainer. Saris has always struggled in the product management area with their smart trainers, but in my experience the build quality has been bombproof.

[@elkuchmanuel2306]

is there a way to simulate an existing 150km GPX File on a smart trainer? I know magic roads but ím looking for something more simple. just the ERG mode so simulate the hills would be enough

[@gplama]

Loading it into a bike computer that supports indoor trainers and you’ll be good to go.

[@KdM_BigRingBubba]

The Neo 3 goes into the same category as unicorns and mermaids - mythical creatures we all swear we've seen when we've had one too many.

[@basti5307]

great trainer for the „just for glory“ ZRL Racing Team!

[@DiogoSoares-nh8xt]

@Shane, I'd like your opinion on something, I have a budget around 2k, I was thinking buying the stages bike, however after one of your videos I've noticed that the stance width is larger than the one I'm used to for around a cm. So i'm trying to find a roller to do my structured workouts during the winter. I have a tacx, but don't like the erg mode after a certain threshold, i feel that I have to go around 110rpms to keep the power. Also I find interesting a more confortable position while pedaling (motion plates and eventually gradient simulation). Do you recommend the wahoo move + climb, or for that price I should go with something else? Cheers

[@ramesesgarcia3485]

When will you going to review the magene T600?

[@KeatB]

Garmin need to sort out the Neo 3 soon. Others are adding features people actually want now such as direct connection and device relay/bridging etc. I hope they keep the same form factor though, love my neo OG

[@gplama]

They need a total refresh across their whole range. A NEO 3 is long overdue, but that'll only take care of the high-end. There's a LOT of attention on the low-mid range now the Hub has shaken the market up. Garmin/Tacx need to launch a NEO 3 with similar features as the T600 (at a minimum!) and replace the Flux with a new design altogether and at a price that's ballpark competitive with the Hub/CORE/Suito.

[@xgalvan1]

@@gplamaGP, what would a T3 possibly have? I had the T2 love it but have no idea what could improve on it. Thanks

[@gplama]

See my discussion here - 10 Years of Direct Drive Smart Trainers // Generation I vs Generation II kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3LHYnSBetide9E

[@xgalvan1]

@@gplama dang, you’re the goat. Appreciated the response.

[@NathanGuerraTV]

Jarvis opening!

[@Chader9]

Much appreciated for the straight talk as always, especially with the odd Saris games. Unless they can show some other case design changes between the 3/3+, they are essentially ripping off anyone willing to fork over MSRP/RRP on the 3+ when the 3 is identical other than a tiny amount of metal incorrectly placed on a freehub body. The marketing surrounding this is borderline insulting and/or deceptive as well IMO. Shame really, since the core function of their trainers has been great in my experience and I think they had potential to help push the envelope here. But they seem to be treading water and trying to salvage excess inventory with minimal cash or time on their part other than marketing spin. Of the 3 trainers, the Magene is most interesting and hopefully we can see how they really stack up against the other big dogs. Thanks for the effort as always :D

[@mikew466]

Saris is done as a company. They are just on life support.

[@davidh7414]

With the neo 3m now announced, it looks extremely outclassed (on paper) compared to the Magene T600. I look forward to the t600 lab test.

[@dylanl9532]

the power data from Magene T600 is unusable. Do NOT buy it. It's like the power curve is mixed in with sin wave noise. I suspect the frequency of the noise correlates with the wheel speed of the trainer.

[@MrBusunglueck]

nice

[@Eirikkinserdal]

Elite integrating di2 for resistance control. This can surely be used virtual shifting? 🤔

[@gplama]

Ideally the Di2 pairing would 'take over' standard gear change function/buttons for this kind of setup. This will require Shimano to work closely with trainer companies to implement. The chances of that happening.... highly unlikely.

[@Eirikkinserdal]

Yeah, i just saw your other video 😅 but does it control the resistance in workout mode or trainerroad?

[@gplama]

@@Eirikkinserdal When the trainer is controlled by other software, pressing the D-Fly buttons simply sets the trainer to no resistance for 60 seconds, or returns it to controlled state if you press a D-Fly button again before 60 seconds has passed.

[@Eirikkinserdal]

So it would be better if the di2 paired to the software then let the software control the trainer 🤔

[@grobbosixtyone]

Doesn’t + mean it’s a streaming service ? 😂

[@gplama]

Oh.... that's good! 🤣🤣🤣

[@Doktor_Al]

Any trainers other than the Ziwft one using virtual gearing, yet? How soon do you think we can expect it? I’m trying to figure out if I sell my kickr and buy a zwift one.

[@gplama]

Not yet (as of Week 48 2023). As soon as any other trainers get support, I'll cover it here on the channel.

[@SnappyWasHere]

Any word on any new or updated indoor bikes? All the big names haven't changed anything in years now.

[@gplama]

Garmin: Updated their Neo Bike with the Neo Bike Plus about 12 months ago. It wasn't really much of an upgrade. Lots of issues with the first production release they sent for review. They released a firmware update on the day the Neo Bike Plus I had was returned. Wahoo: Kickr Bike 2 - Similar to the Neo Bike Plus, it was a very small incremental update. Their recently launched Kickr Bike SHIFT is noteworthy. It's damn quiet compared to anything I've used before. Stages: SB20 is still a thing. It's a few years old now. Needs a refresh with the levers/shifters. I've never liked those. Seems like there's issues at Stages at a company level with support at present. I'd be hesitant to make a big purchase from them without first getting some assurance they'll be around for a few years. WattBike: Who knows. Their ATOM units performed pretty bad a few years ago when really put to the test with my protocol. I had a terrible interaction with them regarding testing newer units (ATOM X, NG) as they didn't like my review. Haven't spoken to them in years. I've seen a few posts lately complaining about ERG performance, so I suspect they're still pretty ordinary units when really put to the sword.

[@KdM_BigRingBubba]

Re: the SB20 - it's a shame the company seems to be adrift. I was seriously considering the SB20 as a replacement for my Neo2T/bike combo when I get a pain cave that doesn't require setup-teardown for each ride, but what I'm hearing about Stages as a company is making me gun shy.

[@Eirikkinserdal]

Do you have the t600 in for testing? Looks like a neo without the side to side lean 😅

[@gplama]

I don't have a T600 production unit here to test. I was at the Magene factory two weeks ago, so stay tuned on this one. :)

[@Eirikkinserdal]

Nice, looks like they are going to be a big player 👍

[@gplama]

Fun fact: Magene are the biggest manufacturers of smart trainers in the world.

[@forsequalcuno7811]

I know it has nothing to do with it but has anyone had experience with the smart trainer Tornado 1 Boonen D.C. Athletics?

[@TimVYSS]

Hey Shane, just following up on the JetBlack trainer fan, would you recommend buying or passing on it for the pain cave? Family are looking for Christmas present ideas 😂

[@gplama]

I’ll know soon… it’s on the cards to unbox this month! 😁

[@chrislavelle1987]

Hey, will you be reviewing the new Van Rysel from Decathlon?

[@gplama]

If I can get one, sure.

[@TnFruit]

What about the Decathlon Smart trainer? Would you test them?

[@gplama]

If I can get them, sure.

[@benpit2762]

I am curious which cycling app is shown at the beginning of the video?

[@gplama]

Jarvis Island on Zwift.

[@benpit2762]

⁠@@gplamaawesome thanks Shane!

[@onefastrph]

I paid way too much for my H3 & was oblivious to its lack of 12 speed compatibility until i needed it. H3+, what a joke.

[@troycollett8540]

The magene looks a little like the neo

[@kyleshulman7602]

Will h3 plus work with Campy?

[@gplama]

Best check the Saris website to see if they have Campy freehubs (if that's what you're after).

[@WowRixter]

Off topic but why does my trainer sometimes start a session at very high resistance. Happens occasionally with both Zwift and Rouvy. Sometimes I have to restart everything to reset and begin again. Anybody else experience this if so what trainer and virtual platform

[@gplama]

Hmmm. Which trainer?

[@WowRixter]

@@gplama Direto XR. With original and updated firmware. I'll have to log a ticket with Elite

[@gplama]

Elite trainers physically move the magnets to increase/decrease resistance. There’s an option to set the ‘headless’ resistance of them which might be occurring here before your controlling software takes over. I’ll plug in a DiretoXR here shortly and check.

[@gplama]

ok, the Justo was setup so that's what I've looked at. Within MyETraining there's two settings "Stand alone/plugged in trainer" and "Stand alone/not plugged in trainer". I'd check those settings... they're both 0 on the Justo by default.

[@WowRixter]

@@gplama wow thats very interesting. It only happens sporadically, but when it does it's like I'm in the Erg mode death spiral and can't get out. Thanks so much for your help

[@ChristianKoehler77]

Why is everyone criticizing smart trainer that don't have heart rate bridging, but nobody critizises Apple for that three device limit? For example Windows 10 devices can connect to 10 devices at the same time. I actually tried 6 (smart trainer, hr Sensor, cadence sensor, mouse, keyboard, headphones) at the same time on my 8 years old surface pro 4 and it works fine. Come on, Apple!

[@gplama]

Easier drive around the mountain than to move it. Apple being the mountain.

[@crossroads4762]

I see "Announcements" and I hope for words like IQ2...instead I sing the blues again...🎶🎶

[@gplama]

Their story continues to be a total trainwreck. The guy who started importing/promoting IQ2 in US/Canada (Ackerman) appears to have disappeared and the website now redirects straight to IQ2. They also look to be delivering to a very small amount of backers (two or three of them have posted in the FB group).

[@crossroads4762]

@@gplama Thanks Shane, that's more insight than what their updates have been. Last I heard they were asking backers to buy a second set for a friend so they could honour the original pledge. It seemed close but I guess cash flow went red.

[@paolobernabei2776]

ho acquistato un t600 silenzioso sino 50-280 watt poi ventola rumorosa in salita 10 % funziona a stantufo peccato

[@raphaelalmeida4596]

Thanks for the great video. I've got T3 recently (3weeks), and I'm facing hard time to try equalize my usual Garmin Vector 3s (single) pedal powermeter with T3 output watts. The diference is huge, up to 40-50W lower in T3. I've tried to adjust between 94%-100% the chain drive coeficient, but even with 100% settlement, I still got 40-50W lower in T3 (doing Z2 200W in my usual pedal based powermeter, it shows ~150-60W in T3 output) Do you have any recommendation? Is it possible my T3 device is lacking of calibration (from factory) or other common issue? I'd appreciate if you comment back. Thanks again.

[@gplama]

You’ll need to raise this with CYCPLUS support. Also mention you’d like to see a T3 reviewed here.

[@raphaelalmeida4596]

​@@gplama thanks for the tip, I'll address it with Cycplus. I'd certainly like to see your T3 review

[@rongurney48]

C'mon Shane. You're smarter than that. Seasons change December 21, not December 1.

[@5amba]

To me, it seems to be expensive noname stuff. Why should anyone buy this? The underdogs should be cheaper or better.

[@dylanl9532]

I recently bought magene t600 and cycplus t3. The power data from magene t600 is just a joke. It's like the power data is mixed in with sin wave noise or something. It's all over the place. As a result, in short sprint the power is 10% more than my power meter, yet in long endurance ride the power is 3% less than my power meter. It's just unusable. So far away from the +-1% power accuracy claim. I had to return it. The cycplus t3 has next to perfect power accuracy when compared with my power meter. I experienced 0 slip when sprinting or climbing steep gradient at 50% trainer difficulty. It's a very good trainer. It's just that the noise of the drive unit is very loud. It sounds like a tesla in parking mode aka the UFO sound. And it does not have 10hz race mode or any kind of bridging. So the price of cycplus t3 is a hard pill to swallow. I wish that it would just replace cycplus t2 and be sold at the same price.

[@gplama]

Thanks for the insights. This is much appreciated.

[@konceptmedia168]

just buy a wahoo i guess

[@gplama]

It’s always a safe bet.

[@不会拉花]

It's a pity that my English level is so poor that I can't understand the video content. Who can tell me which model is better? I just bought T3😂

[@raphaelalmeida4596]

How has T3 been so far? Pros and cons?

[@BananaChipzzz]

ummm... Official start of Winter is Dec 21, not Dec 1.....

[@gplama]

From now on I’ll be including debatable topics that have no actual relevance to my content at the start of every video. Great for the algorithm. 🤣

[@timbob.]

coincidently googled this yesterday and my gast was flabbered!! Team 1st of December reporting in…. -5C here last night, if that’s not winter I don’t know what is

[@mbastos1000]

Why do you say WHITE instead of WEIGHT ?????? Come on!

[@gplama]

If you’re unhappy with my accent or pronunciation, you’re in for a bad time if you hang around. No apologies.