Philco Predicta Barberpole Television Restored to Working Order Vintage TV

[@michvod]

Great restoration. I restored the only Predicta known in country - I live in EU, close to Austria :) Friend wanted it, shipped it from states in 3 boxes. His was tabletop model with power transformer. Anyways, I did a full restore, replaced all paper caps, and some resistors. Electrolytics were all 100% good. Sadly the CRT was also weak (the image would even go negative if cranked up too much). That was a problem since I didn't have a tester to test the weird 2.3V CRT, as they were not used in Europe. I did find out that if I cranked up the brightness up to 3V, it produced a really good picture. Later I managed to find a Heathkit tester that actually supported that voltage. With my friend permission, I rejuvenated the CRT with that tester and it came to 100% emission. He probably ran up about 200-250 hours over the few years on that TV with no difference in brightness.

[@bro.weaver1282]

THIS is the set I want to see the Flintstones on!

[@darrellborland119]

@bro.weaver 1282..."Winston tastes good...like a cigarette should, Fred...That's right, Barney!" 1962 as a kid. LOL.

[@directcurrent5751]

Getting the warnings added to cigarette packs was an early front in the Culture Wars / over reach battles.

[@tony--james]

also, I love in the 1984 movie, "Revenge of the Nerds" how they are playing Atari on one of these TVs

[@One-Crazy-Cat]

I want to watch 1984. Smith Winston get to your telescreen

[@MrDoneboy]

Or The Jetsons!

[@sonnymoorehouse1941]

The form factor is so great on these things. They just look so cool.

[@jcc3279]

Shango, I'm one of the few younger guys who likes working on these older sets. I have a Philco Predicta mine is the table top style. Mine belonged to my late great grandmother I restored it to working order back in 2006. It's still going strong. It lives on my dresser in my bedroom and i use it as my bedroom tv. I have a Roku Hooked up to mine via a HDMI to Composite Video converter which plugs into a VCR which outputs RF into the Philco. I also have a DTV converter box hooked up so i can get over the air TV via my outdoor antenna. Heck as i write this i'm watching College Football on my Philco using my DTV converter box and my outdoor antenna. Do i ever plan on getting rid of my Philco Predicta Heck NO! It's been through a move from Michigan to Florida. Blizzards when i lived in Michigan, Severe weather when i lived in Michigan and now Florida it's been through a few hurricanes and been knocked onto whole house generator power. I can relate to what you went through in the video trying to get your Barber Pole Model working again. Mine was a similar mess like yours.

[@shango066]

There are lots of kids in their teens and early twenties into this stuff

[@robturner3065]

Shango v. Predicta and Bob Anderson v. Cataract in the same week. Mind flipped

[@HarrisonFrazier]

Haha great observation. Must be cuz were close to Halloween

[@ziggfreud9820]

Haha saw that!

[@meh_lady]

We know a guy that has about 10 Predictas along with an uncountable number of other old sets. He lives in an old church across the street from our business and he comes by to chat almost daily. He has SO MUCH stuff, but it's all organized and he uses the stacked up tv's as walls. 😂He's a wonderfully weird dude!

[@EdwardMorris-p3y]

is that church in Rolla MO?

[@meh_lady]

@@EdwardMorris-p3y In MO, but not Rolla! A bit south of St. Louis.

[@MrJukeman]

@@meh_ladydoes he have parts for a 21 inch predicta I need the metal band that holds the back cover to the front shield

[@MrDoneboy]

Good old Radio Shack. My second childhood home!

[@AiOinc1]

Wow, another one? It's been at least a decade since I saw the last one on your channel. Shame about the weak tube.

[@garp32]

Those 21 inch sets were known for short CRT life. The 6.3v CRT replacements are far superior, but finding the short neck wide deflection version is next to impossible. The longer neck ones will work, but require a spacer on the rear to put the cover back on. If not, the CRT neck just sorta hangs out. The 17 inch versions are a little more common and had a much longer life span. I do remember the last barber pole on this channel years ago. It also had spider webs.. lol. Its not a resurrection video without some dead arachnids! 😂

[@Desert-edDave]

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[@douglashoff95]

...the signpost ahead....you've just entered The Twilight Zone. We will control the vertical, we will control the horizontal, we can take the picture from a soft blur to crystal clarity, from the inner mind to The Outer Limits. This is definitely THE television for these shows!!!!

[@hestheMaster]

Model G-4654. The toughest thing about restoring one is trying to find a good CRT for it if it is bad! Poorly designed circuit board mounted on a metal chassis frame makes things difficult to replace. The longer it was in use the more it cooks the board's components. Shango persists and comes through once again. Picture although dim isn't too bad. Two thumbs up on your restoration efforts man.

[@krz8888888]

All style! Bandersen is a master of these

[@jasonhale4639]

I was thinking that too, Bandersentv is the channel name on youtube and he does a lot of these. He knows his stuff.

[@rashton5730]

Bad Booze Ruins Our Young Guts But Vodka Goes Well, Color Code × Mr, Rumrill High School Electronics 101😂

[@patrickguice]

💯 or what I was taught, Bad, Boys, Rape, Our, Young, Girls, But, Violet, Gives, Willingly.

[@Desert-edDave]

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[@bobbyk6585]

Our high school electronics class color code mnemonic was decidedly more bawdy. And our instructor taught it to us. The 70s were different.

[@NoPegs]

WoopWoop! Philco baked in quality...

[@boazrefaely1205]

It's been a year since you dedicated the video on repairing the oscilloscope to me. Time passes quickly and we are still at war and many fighters are killed. Thanks for this video! Philco TVs from the Predicate model have always intrigued me. I never understood what was the reason for designing their televisions like that.

[@formula__1]

Вашими золотыми руками эта винтажная техника получает вторую жизнь на существование! 👍👍👍

[@fredflintstone8048]

That bumble bee chart appears to have been printed in 1949. It could very well be that they were highly reliable and rarely if ever failed until they reached an age that time had yet to subject them to.

[@toddt6730]

We built those from kits at the shop for stardust Cafe in Manhattan,back in the 90's

[@adamwheeldon]

Shango Time!

[@justsumguy2u]

Why does this say "translate to English?" lol

[@Desert-edDave]

@@justsumguy2u Google/KZbin has no idea what they're doing,

[@dahlia695]

This one is cool looking but I think I like that old rusted out one you found buried in the desert sand better.

[@bigalsmallengines]

Interesting set. Great video getting this one to work. You make it look easy, but I know the predicta is one tough set to contend with. I seen a lot of guys back in the day get them working for the challenge of it. Cheers! 🍻

[@defaultuserid1559]

Philco made a lot of junk but somehow also made the best performing AA5 radio in my collection. It was my grandparent's kitchen radio and has a hand wired metal chassis, a thick plastic cabinet, and a decent 4" speaker. Nothing fancy but seems built to last since it was purchased in the late 50s. Original everything and it works great with no hum.

[@hellerhighlights]

Honestly surprised to see you working on this. But I totally get it with the recent changes

[@ronaldspencer547]

Very sci fi futuristic TV! Well done!

[@johngalt7382]

At least you still have stray cats, even our opossums, and most of our squirrels have vanished here. We have plenty of rats though.

[@obsoletebutneat]

Finally, Shango does a Predicta...

[@NoPegs]

He did one of these almost a decade ago...

[@ceilingfanmusic6597]

It's been a long while ago

[@user-mv5bu2kk8b]

Tgank you shango i look forward to your uploads very educational and informative to this old bugger

[@hotpuppy1]

It's too bad that there aren't any picture tube rebuilders any more. Hopefully the equipment is still out there and someone will start doing it again.

[@randyab9go188]

Well the Early Television Museum in Columbus Ohio has all of the machinery needed from the old Hawkeye company, but no one to my knowledge has rebuilt anything yet.

[@SpinStar1956]

@@randyab9go188 There is a 9-year old video showing them rebuilding CRT's called "The Craft of Picture Tube Rebuilding"; did they quit?

[@waltschannel7465]

They never produced an actual rebuilt tube. They were focused on the 15GP22 RCA tubes, the most difficult there is.

[@gregorymalchuk272]

I wonder if they have the equipment that makes the guns out of steel plates, nichrome wire (filament), Tricarbonate emitter, aluminum oxide (filament insulation), kovar wire, and glass. I suspect that most picture tube rebuilders bought their guns in from much larger outside production plants.

[@mikefinn2101]

Great condition no missing knobs. CRT a bit hard to find. Once restored no bad looking TV Bob does lots of them. Hard to work on great video

[@justsumguy2u]

Whenever I see a Predicta, it triggers my mental gag reflex---just the absolute lowest quality and construction. But you fulfilled your obligation to the customer and got the set working---I'd say whatever he paid you, he got his money's worth

[@turle8645]

I can’t say I care too much for the barber pole predictas to be honest. Good video as always though. I am working on a Dumont roundie though. Doing the cataract tomorrow

[@garp32]

Just a reminder.. the Zinwel converter boxes have built in volume control. So make sure you have that turned up all the way. Often I'll get one and it's on the lower side because they had the TV all the way up in order to get full range of volume control via the remote control.

[@LiquidRadio]

38:13 That’s a common thing with a lot of people. To most of them it’s just a catchy tune, but they never really listen to the lyrics and figure out the message. It’s kind of like how you posted a video with a thumbnail where you’re pictured all wrapped up to conceal your identity while pointing at a screen of a small television. Some people didn’t take the time to REFLECT and figure out the reference.

[@shango066]

What was the reference? Disclose it!

[@LiquidRadio]

You were referring to your reflection showing up on TV screens and people losing their minds over it.

[@pyeltd.5457]

@@shango066 you already fixed this TV back in 2015 in multiple parts

[@shango066]

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[@leetucker9938]

shango066 time, take my Skyrizi now

[@user-mv5bu2kk8b]

They look cool but a real pain to overhaul

[@ry491]

Fantastic video but YT try to mess it up with so many adds .

[@andygozzo72]

as for not easily getting access to the track side of the boards, i've read an 'approved' method of replacement in the early pcb days was to cut the component off component side, leaving as much leads as possible, and solder the new part to those wire 'stubs'.

[@user-mv5bu2kk8b]

My weekend has officially started

[@tedbell4416]

Im sorry we are sending you back to Monday

[@user-mv5bu2kk8b]

​@tedbell4416whatta guy!😅

[@chromasonictv6369]

Wow what a great job you have very good patience and time I could not do it I have repaired a few when they had a few years on them tough set then also

[@Thomas-yr9ln]

Something that runs hot it looks like you could modify it and put computer case fans to cool it down. If you were going to keep it as a vintage collection.

[@agoogleuser704]

Missing flavor country but that set sure is pretty! I can see why people like them. Thanks for the video

[@MikeDeJager-ex4wm]

I have a tabletop model. Bandersontv did a series of videos on that type. I will re watch him for much needed guidance. Thanks for the vidio.❤

[@andrewprettyquick2070]

CRT recon at home, tune in next week. we have a long pipe to space, we can do it.

[@BlueSkyScholar]

Years ago I had an LG LCD tuned to analog channel 6. Our IT guy came in the office and said wow that digital TV really looks great, I had just tuned the pre-corrector in the transmitter a couple of days before. Fast forward to our latest and greatest ATSC 3.0 it looks like a motion comic book, horrible, crayon colors and no definition.

[@dkd1228]

"Don't be vague, ask for Sprague"

[@frankowalker4662]

Nice resurection, Shango.

[@johnsampson1096]

Save those leaky Bumblebees, the guitar amp guys love them for creating distortion. My brother in law lives close to where the Sprague manufacturing was done in North Adams, Ma. Neat set..............

[@DeadKoby]

Attack of the bumble-bombs.

[@allisoncawthon2551]

If someone wants to make the set last longer, a quiet 4 or 5 inch computer fan, blowing up from the inside bottom, will help. The soft start on the tube filaments is a big help too. Colossus was never powered down.

[@maniatore2006]

Wow that is a great TV, the TV of my Dreams, and this and other was used in the Series StarGate Atlantis.

[@mrnmrn1]

It might worth putting in a separate heater transformer for the CRT, because those intermittent hum bars might have been H-K leakage as you suspected. (edit: typos)

[@_Ramen-Vac_]

Just epiphoneed 🤔 ..kneed? Realized! This channel is a tunnel thru a turd-mine like none other. And for that, I thank you. 🥳

[@alberthofmann420]

Shango finally reached Starage...

[@kokodin5895]

yey an alienvision episode

[@tebbi67]

Shangotime...the weekend is safe...thx for the vid

[@jasonhale4639]

Bandersentv is the man to ask about these. He works on a ton of these philco predicta's

[@SpinStar1956]

Noticed you using those polypropylene capacitors; I have found them to be excellent with very low dissipation factor and high-Q. Also, they punch way above their weight in the voltage department. I tried to blow some up (630V) and they held in there to over 900V! Had to laugh when you chastised people on their color code, then you go use the Digi-Key ap for a power-problem--LOL! Was wondering what a brightner of some CRT-tester voodoo would have done for that CRT. 73...

[@LiquidRadio]

You may have answered this already…. But when messing with some of these old televisions, do you sometimes have to compensate for differences in US TV allocations that were modified around the time of WWII?

[@davidhollfelder9940]

At the Trump rally in State College, PA, they played YMCA (Village People)? Aside from that strange choice, it was a great Trump speech.

[@gregorymalchuk272]

He talked about unbanning natural gas exports which will force us to compete with Europeans for gas, raise our costs, and make gas fired industry less economic. People need to criticize him for that. The only good thing the current administration did.

[@andygozzo72]

we had a UK 'arm' of Philco here in the UK, the brand was taken on by Thorn in the late 50s, but dont know for sure if they did anything like that over here...??? Philco stuff wasnt THAT common, except for the most well known one here, the 1936 'peoples set' radio , used 3 USA type UX valves plus one 'custom' Mazda double diode high slope pentode .. i used to have a Philco 'tropic' radio, plus still got 2 'Philco-Ford' transistor portables, but they seem japanese made

[@entity9742]

Damn i wish i could find a predicta.....but i really dont wanna have to deal with those capacitor/resostor packs on the sets.... (cant remember which it is might be both but i cant remember) One day predicta one day.... Loving the repairs/restorations shang its really helpful info

[@shango066]

They are easy. The hard part is finding one with a good C.R.T

[@entity9742]

@shango066 true on that but more often than not i find sets with good CRTs but most the time its got something with a hard to repair/replace part(s) messed up on it that takes a good while to find or repair

[@PSG159er]

Shango + Predicta…. Yeeeesssss…..

[@1marcelfilms]

This would be so amazing if it were a color tv

[@jimmyday9536]

Great set! But in fairness to Philco, they probably didnt intend for them to last 50+ years.

[@vcv6560]

I learned the color codes about age 9, now the circle of 5ths, that was a bit later.

[@WOFFY-qc9te]

38:36 Donna Summer "Hot Stuff", rather like the US Navy adopting the Village people "In the Navy"

[@directcurrent5751]

Higher voltage to cathode makes darker? I may have to rewind the tape.

[@MichalKobuszewski]

When the control grid voltage is more negative with respect to the cathode, the cathode current decreases. So it's the same whether you get the grid more negative, or the cathode more positive - the image gets darker! That's what my grandpa's books said at least..

[@Rev22-21]

A side note of sorts: As popular, in demand and rare as they are I wonder why no one (including the Chicoms) haven't started offering rebuilds for these CRT's? Seems there was at least one rebuilder still in business just a little while back here in the states, right?

[@shango066]

Because even though it's the most popular vintage TV, it's still such a tiny market.It would not support someone being in business or even maintaining the equipment to do it

[@t0nito]

What would it take for a black and white NTSC-M tube set like this to work on a PAL BG system? I understand that for video adjusting the vertical size and hold for 625 lines would be enough but what about audio? How would you set the 4.5 MHz carrier to work on 5.5 MHz?

[@shango066]

It will Work except for the channelization issues. You can feed the pal composite into an n.T.S c modulator and it will work

[@davidbeard7262]

PAL BG uses negative VSB modulation for the luminance; NTSC uses positive. This will require a signal inversion somewhere in the baseband video signal chain. In addition, the AGC may need modification. As a consequence of the negative modulation PAL receivers do not require a “black level” adjustment.

[@shango066]

@davidbeard7262 it works OK with secam and I thought it was basically pal. I gave a box that does it not sure what all it does but it's a full computer

[@Chems7308]

Shango time boys!!

[@ziggfreud9820]

Excellent video

[@jonathanhughes380]

i vote we go back to dog bone resistors Body End Dot. LOL

[@pitch339]

first time i see a tube go to air live

[@1marcelfilms]

Sweet little bumble bee

[@KennethScharf]

HK leakage can be "cured" with an isolation transformer and some RF chokes. Maybe.

[@xsc1000]

But there is no reason to do it when the tube is weak.

[@IfyouSeekyou-l9w]

Just what i need!! I love the off the cuff funny as hell comments

[@fredflintstone8048]

Bad (black) 0 Boys (brown) 1 Rape (red) 2 Our (orange) 3 Young (yellow) 4 Girls (green) 5 But (blue) 6 Violet (violet) 7 Gives (gray) 8 Willingly (white) 9 Get (gold) 5% Some (silver) 10% No band 20%

[@colinkraus7139]

Gross, also funny.

[@bobbyk6585]

That's the way I learned it also.

[@GadgetWusky]

My first TV I refurbished was one of those. They're not that hard, it just takes time to remove the circuit board.

[@josephtome9600]

I have heard of powering the filament with a small transformer. The cathode circuit does not see any current.

[@Glimmlicht]

Please Stand By

[@gianfrancogiudice8841]

Fantastic !!!

[@truthsmiles]

Sorry if this has been asked, but for people who just want the “look” of a set like this, is it feasible to make the entire “guts” out of reliable solid state components, and use those to drive the CRT/speaker/knobs? If mass-produced, I’d bet there would be a market for such “drop in” boards that could run various CRTs(?)

[@erikj.2066]

There was a company that made a modern replica of the Predicta. As far as I know, they’re out of business. The boards in these are not the problem. All discrete components, and serviceable. The CRT’s OTOH are the problem with these. Not very robust, and they were product specific. CRT’s really aren’t made anymore.

[@leetucker9938]

I just watched Philco Predicta Pedestal Repair few days ago. 3 parts , strange

[@tvpostel]

Good job!👏👍

[@jonathanhughes380]

A good capacitor tester doesn't require high voltage to measure for leakage. It requires sensitivity under 1uF. 1uF over Requires different engineering for electrolytic caps. Your capacitor wizard is only good for electrolytic caps. over 1uF In circuit. it runs at 100 KHz and about 100 mV so no devices wake up. over 1 Uf You're checking for impedance. Not resistance with the lower value caps. Capacitor meters that check capacitors over 1 microfarad use. Impedance to measure a capacitor.

[@t0nito]

When there's really not much to lose and you can't get a replacement tube then why not just do a rejuvination? Even if it's not going to last that long

[@markmarkofkane8167]

Awesome!

[@Chiavaccio]

😮😮👏👏👏👏 tv of "1984" by George Horwell😆😆

[@brucemcgee2281]

I had received a barberpole TV. but has a better power transformer chassis. I never found a series filament chassis.

[@glennlove461]

The song is about eating out at the Taco bell..

[@Synthematix]

I Predicta this is going to be a sodding nightmare to fix

[@EstefaneAo.Maldonato]

Hello beautiful predicta philco Brazil 🥰💞💕

[@audibell]

Nice long video

[@colinkraus7139]

I think you should make sure it works before you spend any money ordering parts.😊

[@shango066]

I think it did work.

[@branhicks]

I was wondering what was going on with Jordan. I really enjoy his videos but it seems like he's been having a hard time lately

[@josephtome9600]

Sets for dark rooms.

[@f.k.b.16]

Is it even remotely possible to somehow cut open a CRT and re-gun and re-phosphorus it? I get impractical, delicate, and possibly a waist of time but possible?

[@PSG159er]

From INDIA!!

[@ToneHobart]

Silver mica disease in a can... sounds like a new processed food thing.

[@johnnysokko8505]

I thought it was banderson because of the predicta pic.

[@chromasonictv6369]

Can you not give it a bump on the crt use the bk 466