2 Bagua Masters FIGHT - Pa Kua COMBAT

2 Bagua Masters FIGHT - Pa Kua COMBAT. Bagua or Pakua is one of three main internal fighting systems of Chinese Martial Arts called Kung Fu! Baguazhang or Pa Kua Chang is a Taoist Martial Arts Style which walks the circle and is a sister art to Tai Chi. Enjoy these Bagua Fighting Applications and Form Training. Practice them everyday safely with a partner! Consistent practice is key! :)
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[@BlackPenzo]

An airbender wearing a "be water" shirt. Top 10 anime betrayals

[@yunjin3763]

Hes the avatar🤩

[@davidboyer4554]

@@yunjin3763 he's the bullshitatar, all this is fake and a waste of time, unless you like Bollywood, then he is on point, fake waste.

[@SadmimHossain]

Air bending :D

[@laraberliner1613]

Thank god I’m not the only one even though you were a little earlier

[@SleepyCinnamon]

Lara Berliner “A little”

[@J215J]

Worse airbending i have ever seen

[@thenerdyotaku7583]

I came here for the same reason lol

[@years8703]

Omg, yes

[@ukguy]

Two Bagua Masters... HAHAHAHAHA is this a joke?

[@davidmartinez9804]

if it is it's a very bad one :(

[@zerocoll20]

How Americans get tricked so easily?

[@Xdmfan02]

joao paulo andrade we don’t, this is bs

[@nossavida312]

This guy doesnt know when to stop. He is Bagua master now, after watching another movie he will be Xingyi quan master. Are his followers that dumb?

[@michalbukvai7548]

Paul actualy... lineage is not what makes you a master. Neither martial art nor anything else.

[@codegreenppp]

This guy mace is a joke, wing chug, hsing i, pa kua, you name it this guy knows it. He only perform forms poorly with no depth, no spirit.

[@bambi8179]

well said

[@finlaybeaton2124]

Just because you walk in a circle doesn't make what you do bagua. You are missing some fairly major points of the practice. You stepping lacks consistency, you are very stiff in your upper body and tend to finish you body movement before you arms. This has you losing the hollow chest position and losing connection often. I advise you spend a lot more time in standing practice and the basic movements before you give yourself the title Master

[@joj8097]

You teach me then

[@_RM10_]

Airbending master

[@Sandvichman.]

Thank you for your comment. I am new to Bagua, I did not know this was amateur style fighting. Because of you, I will not consume this misinformation, or use it as a guide.

[@Χριζαϊων_Ζηνόβῐος]

@@Sandvichman. This is NOT amateur. This is a fine demonstration. Of course there are better ones but the guy on the left at least obviously has plenty of experience

[@cliftonthomas1500]

@@Χριζαϊων_Ζηνόβῐος This is in no way remotely able to qualify as a beginner. It isn't good enough to be basic. In Bagua, there are 24 key points of motion and 12 key points of structure that must be adhered to according to Bagua classics. This shows none of them. It doesn't even hint at them. This is two untrained individuals pretending at Bagua. Circle walking alone is supposed to train 3 types of Jin at least in a fundemental setting. Like any craftsman, you can easily tell when it is right or wrong while an untrained observer is clueless what to look for. No student with any practical experience in Bagua would believe this is correct.

[@davidmartinez9804]

he's like a bad beginner student who is somehow a master.

[@davidmartinez9804]

it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

[@arc3075]

Agreed,IMAGINEER OF KUNG FU!!

[@noahbowes618]

The guy on the right maybe but not the guy on the left

[@davidmartinez9804]

@@noahbowes618 😂 What level is he on then?

[@davidboyer4554]

fake lace is a goofball, you should see his compound where he trains with little boys

[@assafshibolet4220]

O.k I was in a bit of a panic attack. Relaxed when I read the comments. This is a classic of what sometimes happens when the outside shell of the East is taken into the West. No understanding of time, No shame, no respect . Luckily there are enough people to point at the naked king.

[@lopezb]

Yup...sad.

[@oldschoolgoodness4004]

You must learn your arts from internet videos.

[@davidboyer4554]

and his mind movies, weak and easily broken.

[@stevecastro1325]

How polite of him to stand frozen with his arm extended while the other LARPer executes gentle massage techniques

[@aaronconstantine1292]

😂🤣

[@jdhsingi]

2 bagua masters fight? no. Pa Kua combat? no.

[@Danny_Lopez_]

I'm trying to avoid this guy and yet he is messing up another Chinese system of kung-fu. Why?

[@davidbeauvais1364]

Kung Fu is BS get over it

[@houseofkungfu2543]

@@davidbeauvais1364 it only is because of white people like Jake Mace. And audiences like you who let it sly

[@RRRRRAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH]

@@davidbeauvais1364 ... its because you're watching these bad KZbinrs do it that you have formed this opinion..

[@davidboyer4554]

because beginners buy into to his fake crouching weasel, hidden bullshit.

[@wyzran]

@@RRRRRAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH you do have to remember, the Wudang school systems did not have their martial arts strictly for combat. They are mainly meant for health benefits. I find modern-day kung fu schools with sparring effective, however some include unnecessary steps to stop your opponent. Shaolin and other northern-styles of kung fu is what I would aim for, one being Tien Shan Pai

[@jdub7771]

I thought shaolin do martial artists went away and with them their 1 form from every Kungfu style system. Stop exploiting the ignorance of people who actually would like to learn this. People please find a legitimate Baguazhang.... Better yet teacher in any Chinese martial arts style. This isn't one of them. Look up Shaolin Do organization's(cult) history.

[@JmariolinkJ]

jdub7771 Actually to Jake Mace's credit, according to Bullshido he helped take down Shaolin-Do in the West Coast. I just wish he followed that up by looking for an actual Sifu.

[@nyhyl]

Bagua MASTERS? Come on, be a little more humble.

[@RRRRRAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH]

this shouldn't even be called bagua, this is called charlatan style lol

[@dragonknight8020]

I keep trying to avoid this guy, yet he keeps popping up when I look into things. Frustrating is the only kind word I have for it.

[@nikolausklinger489]

It doesnt matter which style you google, He ist always a master in it😁

[@dragonknight8020]

@@nikolausklinger489 naturally, of course

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

"There is an option in KZbin to not recomend you stuff from an specific channel, but not even that can save you from Kung Fu & Taichi Cent-" "Noo, don't say it's name! *it hears.* You just doomed us all!!"

[@Master-AGN]

Bagua has the hips tucked under not butt sticking out. Go back and learn the basic please.

[@DakotaBusCaptures]

Yeah you have to have your back neutral and straight

[@rideforever]

The wrong kind of emptiness is being demonstrated.

[@TheMoodyedge]

rideforever I beg to differ, their heads are full of shit

[@99harshini]

What is the right kind?

[@Nofarewell]

@@99harshini , first, it doesn't have to be fast. Second, you can spot the conscious mind-body contact when practiced, and it has real effect on the other practitioner, not this tensed-up nonsense we are watching.

[@andrewgarratt5191]

Nofarewell “tensed up nonsense” I’m glad you said that,so I’ll know you’ll know what I mean: Im no fighter,no martial arts at all. But I have always been an avid fan of watching Chinese katas of most sorts... I learned long ago...some people can do a “kata” and it looks like flowing water,effortless and “gorgeous” for lack of a better word.. Others look wooden and tried. “Almost always Caucasians” My 2 questions: I’ve never bothered to learn a martial art because I’ve essentially been convinced that the Caucasian race is incapable of hitting that “non-tensed up” level Are Asians born with body’s that permit something the Caucasian race can’t achieve ? Or is it just that more often than not hacks like the guy above happen to be Caucasian? If you think that Caucasians can hit that level...do you think that 36 years old is too late to start?

[@Nofarewell]

@@andrewgarratt5191 , hi Andrew, thanks for your answer (and question!) I try to answer to it thoruoghly. Your insight is quite prompt especially considering you are not into martial arts yourself so far (in terms of direct experience). Apart from forms (or Katas), you should study real sparring too as forms, katas can be deceiving. What I mean is a form is just a form. Let me demonstrate this with a traditional example: there is a really good martial art, XingYi Quan (loosely translated: the fist of the form and the intent/mind) where Xing is form, Yi is intent/mind, Quan is fist, and/or fight, the way of fighting. If you study Xing, that can be beautiful, but without the Yi, which is mostly hidden, the internal martial aspect simply cannot be done - it's not a fluke that after many years, XingYi Quan was simplified by a master named Wang Xiangzhai back to YiQuan (left the form, Xing, it became the mind, intent fist; although it didn't change XingYi itself, it became (or returned?) another martial art). See what I mean? Form can be executed in a really appealing, eyecandy manner, but it doesn't mean it has any substance (yi, mind, intent) in it, which is mostly hidden (it is the beauty of it). After a while, if you experience real internal martial power, fa jin, you can distinguish more by watching it. "Tensed up nonsense", although in this video is very much evident, however not always can be seen, so hurrah for you again for spotting it! :) - it's always a fighting situation or real sparring when the internal aspect can really be seen - not just on the practitioner, but on the other person, who provides power in the first place, to which power the master responds; the effect of the force, the execution, the effect on the other guy gives you the answer. To the experienced eye, it can be spotted, even on the form. I advise you to look for the channel "The Martial Man" and look for masters like Adam Mizner, Sifu Sergio. These masters are really good and authentic (and caucasians too :) - which brings us to the second part. I don't think there is a universal answer to it (but yet there is) , but here's my 2 cents: Internal martial arts are one of the most fantastic gift to mankind. All of mankind. But it was given to a culture which has the most profound, complete, whole tradition: Taoism, the Ji King. The difference is not between us anthropologically as we are all equal children under the sun; it is between us traditionally, philosophically. So if you start to walk the way of oriental martial arts in their extended form, like you start to study the Ji King, you realize that Europe/USA has more Yang than Yin and traditionally China is more balanced. I think this last sentence gives you the answer of the "caucasian" question. I know, it's too long, I'd write much more though. I personally practice Tai Chi, 37 WU form and some Yang style and I know something about Xing Yi, Yiquan, Bagua too as I've been given the opportunity to learn from/practice with outstanding, fantastic people I proudly call Friends/Teachers. 36 years young? Try to find a nice place to train and start when ready. You'll have at least another 36 (I hope more) to perfect it. it's a life long journey. Write me if you need further info.

[@AdvogadoDavidAguiar]

Very usefull martial art... against (very) old opponents, (very) drunk opponents or (very) stupid opponents.

[@TheEnneagram]

It's embarrassing to watch this - I was unable to finish it. I'm trying to think of something useful to write here. Perhaps it must be to caution those who are truly interested in learning the internal martial arts against working with charlatans, even well-intentioned ones. But how is one to discriminate? When working in person, real teachers can demonstrate applications against your will - that is to say that they don't need your cooperation to function. In this case, these guys are "allowing" the move to be applied against them, which would never happen in a real fight. There is plenty more to say on the subject, and perhaps others will reply to this thread with other suggestions on how to discriminate between the real and the unreal...

[@facuale32]

That's not baguazhang . The movements are not correct and there is no flow , the opposite hard move like a robot. And if both are " teachers " should show real applications, not slow them

[@TomSteelers]

+TheEnneagram he's charlatan and clawn

[@ZeroMalarki]

Tai chi is sweet and all for meditation, but this stuff is retarded for actual fights. Why the hell would you spin around, expose the back of your head to palm strike someone in the balls?

[@johnj1027]

this is not meant to be taichi., but bagua, and its a terrible representation of that. I practice bagua, I have fought with it, and seen others fight with it.

[@zadkiel242]

John Juliano Do you have any videos of it? I saw a video back in the 90s, and it was basically slap fighting. I'm hoping it is more than that.

[@PuhiPureBloOdYT]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMFG THIS SHIT IS SOOOO FUNNY I HAVENT LAUGHED LIKE THIS IS AAAAGES .. OMG AND THE TITLE SAYS 'MASTERS?? BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA IM GONNA HAVE A LAUGH ABOUT THIS ONE FOR A WHILE .. THANK YOU JAKE THIS IS THE FUNNIEST ONE YET KEEP UP THE GOD WORK!!! LMFAO😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@PuhiPureBloOdYT]

GOOD^^

[@d.j.finest5598]

STOP teaching Jake through your comments, he is obviously providing a poor service for a lot of disillusioned people. They and him will come out of this illusion when they get confronted in a real fight. Bottom line, Jake and company need REAL training ( Kua remained open, back misaligned, walk is wrong etc,etc.). I wonder how many of his (gullible) students applied these techniques in a real situation with positive results? Any comments?

[@Captain1Puppy]

I am sorry, but who are you anyway?

[@alonebysunset]

@@Captain1Puppy someone who knows Ba Gua I'm guessing

[@alonebysunset]

you certainly don't know me, but I've been doing Tae Kwon Do for about 11 years

[@edwardcespedes5222]

@@alonebysunset u should move on to a different martial art

[@alonebysunset]

@@edwardcespedes5222 LOL, I started when I was probably 10, what's wrong with it if I may ask? Edit: and by mentioning my age at the time of starting I meant I wouldn't know what you're referring to and I still don't, sorry if it came off wrong

[@Diggy22]

1:27 "You're wiiiiide open! Do you know that, teacher?" --Jackie Chan, Drunken Master (1978)

[@johannkrebzs332]

i just watched that yesterday

[@Liquidcadmus]

This is nonsense. jake mace is a dancer and nothing more.

[@TheRenegadeMonk]

I'm really sick of seeing kungfu people doing prearranged drills under the label of fighting or sparring. SHOW US A REAL FREE SPARRING MATCH WHERE YOU USE YOUR ART! You play into the stereotypes of your detractors by failing to display any competence in such a fundamental element of martial arts. Putting up a good fight and loosing would make you look better than you do showing pretty resistance free drills of questionable efficacy, nevermind mislabelling them as fighting.

[@wongfeihong56]

Dude this guy is fake anyway.

[@vitocapobianco8782]

+TheRenegadeMonk Jake the Fake doesn't practice kung fu. Much less is he a master of bagua or tai chi. Everyone of his videos has a click baity title and really bad techniques. The guest in this video has his own channel, in the one video I watched he locks his elbow with every punch. That's a really basic no-no that will result in a over-extended elbow and the inability to use that arm for some time.

[@johnj1027]

there is no bagua here. And as a student of bagua myself, I can say, yes we practice free sparring. My sifu at some point soon wants to take us to a local mma gym to get some real practice in actually.

[@RRRRRAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH]

yeah never let Jake represent anything for you, never never never. He's the worst of the worst internet fake

[@jaredtimme5851]

So I take it neither of them have ever been in a fight?

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

True lol

[@ElbarboTVballoon]

help!!! a fake. big lol

[@howdytio7956]

...still waiting for the masters to pop up...

[@theartoftaijiliving637]

so now you are a Baqua Master too. A master of internet marketing maybe ,but that's about it .Good God what happened to a standard of skills .

[@davidboyer4554]

They are still alive, only in ever dwindling numbers.

[@davidboyer4554]

they were abolished by fake waste and his weakness training crew.

[@shawn6669]

You 2 are Bagua "Masters"? That's truly hilarious. Good luck fleecin' the rubes, I guess. Masters! ROFLMAO!!!

[@stellartoad]

Ikr

[@thetruthspeaker5101]

I could probably beat these guys with my “takenoshit” Kung-Fu style from the Bronx providence of NYC lmao 😂.

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Lol "Takenoshit" but without the T ("Takenoshi" which could sound just like "Takenouchi") is an actual martial art, Takenouchi-Ryu with it's full name being "Hinoshita Torite Kaisan Takenouchi-ryū (日下 捕手 開山 竹内流)" I sure though that you were talking about that art and almost died when i realized what you were really saying

[@stevenmackenzie59]

For a man to call himself master is just obsurd. One you are way to young Jake Mace to even think of calling yourself a master. It is just disrespectful for a man to give himself this title. It is not something you are given it is something that is earned something that you become.

[@davidboyer4554]

@D L he clearly has not studied baguazhang in any form or lineage. Clearly. He studies bollywood dancing and miming look it up. I am a 20 year practitioner of Yin Style Baguazhang, that is who I am to judge. This is bollywood, not Bagua.

[@quanjiahao87]

This does not carry any essence of the fighting techniques of bagua zhang. First of all the real application of these "techniques" should automatically off balance any one from the initial contact utlizing the concepts of big circle and small circle. They also have incorrect spinal alignment, the body is stiff as a rock. There is no change going on pretty much just a performance. You can't fight anyone being that stiff. much less continue practicing the right way being that stiff.

[@davidboyer4554]

this is not bagua its fake gape coming together with his training stallion to touch and separate and touch again, very broke back mountain, no?

[@simonzirians9080]

You guys need to get a room! not Kung Fu, more like foreplay....

[@crashout86]

HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH my good!

[@RM-lu2of]

Honestly years late of course but after studying Ba Gua Zhang for about 3 years and seeing that I applaud them attempting to apply it to combat most just focus on the internal system which is ok to but it's very fun but very limited in practice but still applicable. I found myself locking in key lock holds out of palm changes fairly easily.

[@aaronconstantine1292]

Y is it limited

[@RM-lu2of]

@@aaronconstantine1292 because the practice is done in a none combative way. So if you want to apply the art that way the normal practice of can have you feeling a bit unprepared or overwhelmed by more combative styles like boxing, muay Thai, or even sumo. But with time you can do it

[@_camy_]

@@RM-lu2ofKyokushin and Goju ryu practitioners like myself would absolutely wreck these guys lol we also focus on mind and body, and can do a ton of the same things, but we train heavy combative as well

[@RM-lu2of]

@@_camy_ most likely. But it comes down to the 2 competitors.

[@gbody2617]

​@@_camy_- I don't care about martial arts. It's all artistic garbage. I like all forms of wrestling and boxing and the only directions a kick could go and I like elbows and knees and chokes and breaks so where are you Hard-Soft (sounds like a porn guy who can't keep it up)/Kyokushin so I could make a spectacle out of you?

[@pascal0868]

I love coming here just for the comments. It's like the song you hate but love to hear so you can enjoy the pleasure of venting. I guess Jake has figured out there's no such thing as bad publicity, only publicity. This is my second favourite site after the 'did you get your black belt from k mart" videos. That one actually makes me laugh.

[@fernandoreta4084]

1:21 WTF HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA

[@martonbalassa8128]

These "masters" will be surprised when they get into a real fight. Or COMBAT :D

[@aaronconstantine1292]

Ya

[@FelinePaints]

Oh ok so Jake is a master of this too… cool. Just normally normally it takes 20 years or so to become a master of just one style. My Master would probably tell this master that his mud walking needs work (feet closer together when stepping, leads with the toes on the forward thrust mainly) and his Roc Spreads wings is really really wide

[@davidmartinez9804]

he's like a bad beginner student who is somehow a master.

[@siusiutoe6470]

+David Martinez a FAKE master to be exact

[@TheCriswayz]

Hahaha hahahahaha hahahahaha hahahahaha hahahahaha................. haha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahahahaha hahahahaha........ masters...... hahahahaha hahahahaha.

[@RealKungFu]

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[@ashleymackiewicz908]

Masters my ass bring that to my masters face he would make it exhausting just to lift your arms in 20 seconds of an actual fight let alone have to beat you and I would do worse I'm not as nice as him so I wouldn't be much of a help to you please quit

[@RRRRRAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH]

Jake Mace... a "bagua master"? cmon y'all there are so many better representations of bagua online.

[@TheMoodyedge]

hilarious

[@illiJomusic]

Jake has been filming in B.C. Canada Hope to run into this con artist. 👊

[@kenlek869]

On the surface, it looks good. The moves resemble Bagua, but are wrong in all the details. The shoulders are stiff, and not sunk properly. The chest and back are not rounded, the back is not rounded and the buttocks protrude out, the legs are too open and the groin is exposed. This is Bagua done for performance, not for actual fighting. Very beautiful, not realistic at all.

[@davidboyer4554]

you must enjoy watching men dance, this is not bagua, it is not even kungfu.

[@TheBlackDogChronicles]

I look at the punches and I wonder....where are they actually aiming for. None of these defenses seem sufficient for a direct blow to the head from *front on*. Who does these wide, arching punches in a real fight?

[@davidboyer4554]

fake ass movie , ego centric , sycophants who only love money?

[@michaelj.mccall6530]

Interesting... any videos of the technique actually being used? There’s a huge difference between a demonstration where your opponent LETS you complete the movement and a fight where someone’s actually trying to stop you.

[@CyanideSublime]

I wouldn't suggest using it IRL.

[@tristanwalhain8601]

1:43 he should've used his hips here, not his arms, that guy went down way too easily. I'm a black strip in taekwondo and even I know better.

[@robbiereilly]

That spot looks exactly like a place near me in western Tokyo. Cheers.

[@jimmybutch6998]

I DO NOT ASK THIS QUESTION OUT OF ANY DISRESPECT, LETS BE CLEAR ON THAT PLEASE! The header title says "BaGua Masters fight Bagua Combat" May I ask Master Mace, how long did you have to train to reach the rank of MASTER? I'm in my late 40's and I'm Just Wondering How Long it would take me (Approximate, with an average student) Because I have heard that it can take Very VERY, Long in the Internal arts. God Bless, and I'll wait for your Reply and Guidance. Thank you

[@davidboyer4554]

there is no time line for development. Every person is different, this fake gape guy is a blister on all martial arts and should just say he teaches shadow dancing or something.

[@akiranyo]

I have no diplom in any martial art, but if I would fight those two "masters" they would be taken away on stretchers.

[@aaronsteele2832]

I'm not that familiar with Bagua but isn't there supposed to be lots more controlling of the opponent's arms and restricting movement and less half assed Tai Chi?

[@davidboyer4554]

you are not seeing baguazhang in this video, this is a dance video from nineties MTV, called this is how you make yourself weak.

[@TaiChiMantis-Shifu]

Interesting some of those I would never guessed

[@ZuCo91SrBiJa]

Can someboy tell me what kind of medication they are using!? xD

[@davidfannin7187]

I read critical comments It is none of your business what other people call you. You become what you practice. The circle is unending as is your internal and external transformation. Practice for an hour and you have walked 10560 feet or more. You practice slowly because the body can move faster than the mind. Just because you are skilled does not mean an unskilled person is going to do what you expect. Have you seen someone who has practiced for 50 years being old and tired? One lady veteran practiced Tai Chi with an artificial heart strapped to her back in her practice uniform. Another teacher had pancreatic cancer and taught until he couldn't. It's not always what you practice it's how you practice.

[@pedridemperi9872]

Synchronicity brought me here in my search for being in Tao

[@franktank1803]

Hahahahahaha..........ist´s Comedy...isn´t it?

[@fredrikforsberg8819]

its all fine and dandy until you meet someone who punch a left right combo. how can you sleep at night?

[@karlbuchanan1363]

Thank you fellas

[@AureliaKai]

I was watching, hoping to find a good demonstration, but everything in this feels off and fake. They look like they saw the moves, then filmed themselves copying them for the first time. One guy even stumbled because his posture and walk are wrong. I'm not a professional, obviously, and do not know the first thing about Bagua, but even I can tell its terrible.

[@MrRafalee]

“ Jake the Fake, “ as some call him trained under “ Grandmaster “ Sin Kwan “ The under the label of “ Shaolindo. “ Then there was the law suit that happened between Jake and Sin The before Jake ever visited the Shaolin Temple. 🤷‍♂️🧐

[@RealKungFu]

2 Bagua Masters FIGHT - Pa Kua COMBAT. Bagua or Pakua is one of three main internal fighting systems of Chinese Martial Arts called Kung Fu! Baguazhang or Pa Kua Chang is a Taoist Martial Arts Style which walks the circle and is a sister art to Tai Chi. Enjoy these Bagua Fighting Applications and Form Training. Practice them everyday safely with a partner! Consistent practice is key! :)

[@tidemover]

+Kung Fu & Tai Chi Center w/ Jake Mace Jake contact me my Sifu teaches for real and it would change your life.

[@tidemover]

+LOVING DUMMY Sorry who said anything about learning from a book?

[@TomSteelers]

+LOVING DUMMY he's a master, a clawn master.

[@shungamunga]

+Kung Fu & Tai Chi Center w/ Jake Fake Rydberg DON'T BUY THIS SHIT OR HIS TSHIRTS! GO TO AMAZON AND DISS HIS VIDEOS. GO TO HIS FACEBOOK PAGE AND SHUT THIS SCAMMER DOWN.

[@GrecoRoman21]

The way they walk the circle is shit. It's like they do not know the Internal principals of the Style. And their movements are too robotic... White dudes never get Bagua for some reason. :/

[@emerys9539]

they look like lovers.

[@VidimusWolf]

...what

[@tidemover]

I do like your videos but your Pakua looks like shaolin . Your missing body connections and you look quite stiff . Each style has it's own principles and concepts if you don't encapsulate them your just doing movements.

[@michaeltrinh4394]

Their form isn't too bad, and their hearts are in the right place- all that they're really missing to be considered substantial is the correct neigong for Baguazhang. (You were on the money when you compared them to shaolin martial artist)

[@tidemover]

Without proper understanding and coordinated movement your improvement will be really slow. It's not a judgment it's about looking and seeing that there is more then forms.

[@shawn6669]

+Michael Trinh their hearts are in the right place? How can you know that? Maybe if by the "right place" you mean disingenuous hucksterism to separate people who don't know anything about ICMA from their money. Right place...sigh....

[@michaeltrinh4394]

+shawn6669 Lol, they're just performers, indulging in the culture. If you feel cheated by them do bring it up (though anyone looking for martial arts instructions on KZbin should be very discerning, and definitely not a beginner). You seem tense friend, maybe practice some worthwhile neigong, and if possible upload here to show how it's done =]

[@shawn6669]

You don't seem to have a grasp on what's going on here so pardon me if I don't put much stock in your suggestions. I've got better things to do than upload stuff I've put a lot of work into for your edification. Good luck with your practice if you have one.

[@heribertosuarezandrade9953]

That's amazing airbending

[@jumildador9118]

as far as i know,its very delicate to face your back into your opponent ( 0:32 ) the other guy's (wearing black shirt) right hand is able to punch Jake's nape even Jake can hit the other guy's stomach.Just my opinion dont take it srsly

[@davidboyer4554]

this is all b.s. there is nothing real about it, bollywood, spurious, not real. He is a greedy little pig.

[@Doomstahh]

Its true masters that are humbly aware of their limitations, and would thus be hesitant and reluctant to call themselves a "master". Seeing you misrepresent something like this makes me sad. So wonder nothing other than Muoy Thai and Boxing gets taken seriously, Its become the meta without proper teachers.

[@jahac18]

Which masters? What fighting?

[@RandAlthor939]

This is strange it's almost an alternate reality .. this is not fighting application this is still a demonstration. . Or even a form but with two people. . It's very surreal watching this guy.

[@ThePardalboarder]

One word: SHAME.

[@Amphitera]

when you see the title "gungfu masters" and then it's two western guys, you already know it's fake.

[@davidboyer4554]

fake lace

[@zenncatt]

Misleading title. Why?

[@LOSTNFOUND223]

This is how @InternalChineseBoxing thinks he performs 😂

[@boonyboodboon5139]

Can I make serious a request. Is it possible to see some footage of you under open pressure Mr Mace?? Light sparring or some drills in which shows that your "fight application" videos are coming from someone can who display his skillet under pressure. Other wise, what your doing is dangerous to those you teach , remove the fight application part to your videos and highly emphasize to your viewers you are a martial artist and not a fighter.

[@ShifuCareaga]

I believe I can shed some light on this topic. I came from the same system as Jake, but a different lineage entirely. Unfortunately Jake is too far into training to start from ground 0, and yet the forms are not right, not quite right. For myself I long ago began supplementing my SD with experts like Jerry Alan Johnson or John Painter, Rudy Cury, etc... and learned how it really moves. I moved away from SD naturally while Jake only split because of politics and money, etc.. so essentially still SD. That's why it comes off "wooden" or "not quite right". It isn't that he's a bad teacher, he's actually damn good compared to his teachers. Frankly, he's become master-like in his pursuit. However, to call it a Master Combat is not correct, and obviously going to lead to criticisms. My recommendation is to spend less time making the body look perfect and make the form look perfect. It's worth the exercise in breaking the external mold. I can see the fluid movement beneath, and the intense concentration. With some real mud stepping and genuine fluidity this could be better. And don't call yourself a Master, that's the inheritance of the old Shaolin Do title grabbing. You're above that now if you can step out of the mould. I hope that provides some clarity. People should be nicer to Jake, he wanted to get out of a bad situation and got sued and won and he's got a great looking school and good vibes. Unfortunately that isn't the Tao itself. I hope he finds the secret of how the Chinese moved - and Sin The is a bad example, bro.

[@shawn6669]

+Shifu Careaga Sifu Rudy is fine but Painter and JAJ aren't much better than SD. Better to just drop all that stuff altogether and put your energy into searching out someone who really knows what they're doing like the Luo De Xiu lineage or the He Jin Bao lineage or the Wang Peisheng YCGF lineage or the Gao Ji Wu stuff that Tom Bisio teaches. It's really not that hard to search out nowadays and the skills of just some dude as opposed to someone who's both talented and knows what they're doing are not even the same thing. I mean if you want to waste your time it's your time but you'd serve yourself much better with the real deal. FWIW.

[@ShifuCareaga]

Oh I agree, all the people I look at are beyond those guys or Bruce Francis et al... I am only mentioning the past. Thanks for writing :)

[@davidboyer4554]

HIs body does not look perfect as he exhibits none of the bagua body characteristics or basics, good sticking up for your man, but this is not bagua it is movement art at best, it isn't even martial. NOthing about this guy is master, There is no master , there is no best , only better. So money, money, money, poor little fake mace, money, money, money. Where is the Ba Gua? People should be whoevet they want to be, not who you want them to be, stop this poser, do what is right, he wastes time and detracts from real practitioners. Are you getting kick backs from face lace? He made his bed, let him sleep in it.Mudstepping does not make you doing bagauzhang.

[@RodrigoDAgostino]

Did you mean “pa-kua” masters? This is such a bad joke. It really hurts me to see that a million people are mislead by such a rascal :S

[@AriUgwu]

Just a friendly note that I think this video is a joke or perhaps a skit? That’s not bugua and those aren’t masters.

[@taichimaster9310]

Every once in a while you just love to smack the hornet's nest, don't you Jake! We who are interested in Martial Arts are all on the path to Mastery. To walk that path towards Mastery means to ENCOURAGE others that you meet along the same path to continue to improve their techniques. It is the PATH and HOW YOU WALK it that determines your Mastery. Being negative towards others on the path will only hurt YOU in the end. Is Jake's Baugua perfect, probably not, but who is to judge. If you find nothing helpful to you in his techniques, thank him and encourage him along his path towards mastery and move on. By doing so you help him and yourself along the path towards mastery! Maybe by the time we get to the end of the path, the one who encouraged other people the most will be the best Master! I don't even know if this is 2 cents worth. Maybe just a penny for my thoughts kind of thing.

[@RealKungFu]

Great post TaiChi Master!

[@shungamunga]

+Taichi Master Bullshit. Pure bullshit. It's not that Jake Rydberg's Ba Gua isn't perfect. No one's Ba Gua is perfect, just as no one's Tai Chi or Mantis or Wing Chun or Bak Mei is perfect. The problem is there is no Ba Gua here. Since you cannot see the lie in front of you, master, let me explain. This is not Ba Gua, and his Tai Chi is not Tai Chi. None of his so called arts are what he claims them to be and no one would give a shit except for one small issue. He peddles this crap as the real thing all for the purpose of making money on the ignorant and the ill-informed. He's about as far from a martial artist as one can get. Jake and his equally low-lying wife are essentially con artists. This is their snake-oil. Judging by your post I would say your belief in your won self-mastery has either clouded your own eyes or you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. I'm guessing the latter. Tai Chi Master? P. B. Chan wouldn't call himself a master, what makes you think you are one?

[@ROCK1337ful]

no one is doubting is ability to gain knowledge and mastery we are however noting that hyping a video up for views claiming to be a master in the art is quite a reckless notion when you do not grasp it in that realm.

[@davidboyer4554]

ok I have 20 years studying Yin STyle Baguazhang from the Xie Peiqi lineage, The Truth is never negative, it just is. I see what you are trying to do , but you have to let people vent. Especially , when fake lace, is detracting from a dying art for his own monetary gain. There is no master, there is no best, only better. WE say that too in YSB. It is not about your ego, it is about your development, nothing more.

[@dolecycle6467]

1:17 IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE A REAR NAKED CHOKE HAHAHAHAHA PLEASE LEARN HOW TO FIGHT FOR REAL GUYS LMAO

[@perrypelican9476]

Masters? Fight? Neither is true. Boy does it ever bug me to see video titles that have nothing to do with the content.

[@Omagatsuhi]

Seen the Chinese baguazhang grand master and masters demos, their movements are extremely fluid compared to these two who appear stiff.

[@jesuriah]

First form, "I will give them my back so I can hit them using my weakest muscles at an awkward angle"

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Haha

[@dextersbeard3472]

Generally you are acknowledged as a master by others and don't refer to yourself as one. I see you call yourself a master of many styles. 2 things you probably shouldn't do, call yourself a master of arts you aren't a master of, and the other is claim you are fighting or confusing demonstationing application with real fighting, this will get you in trouble quick when you finally realize how spontaneous and different fighting really is. Those drills are just to familiarize yourself with body mechanics and how to use the tools you develop in the art that you study, it is not ment to stand in the place of fighting and can't replace it when studying, sparring isn't even a real fight but it is the closest you get in a school setting.

[@forteami7720]

Have your sifu ever told you, don't face your back to the enemy!....

[@lafocaz3033]

Ojala alguien pueda traducir esto. Es una pena que, siendo los profesores y maestros del kung fu alrededor del mundo los encargados de difundir este arte que amamos, haya gente que no solo lo use con fines de lucro, si no que ademas manche el nombre de los estilos que no conocen pero pretenden enseñar. Esto no es Ba Gua Zhang, la joya interna de los 8 trigramas, esto es el invento inspirado en videos de un instructor que no respeta lo que hace ni lo que dice amar. Una pena. Generalmente tengo este canal como una diversion, ya que las tecnicas no son aplicables y los estilos no tienen buenos fundamentos, pero con Ba Gua se toco una fibra sensible, un estilo tan profundo reducido a esta mimica burlona. THIS MAN IS A FAKE

[@davidboyer4554]

exactamente Senor.

[@Philth_E]

This is a joke right? I mean you two are not even in sync! And that jab at 1:08

[@anthonylong9067]

I need to learn some of this. Im a 4th degree black belt in bok fu do. We have a few techniques which implement some bagua in it. It's a little hard for me but it'll get better soon

[@anthonylong9067]

PadMAD3k actually, for mine, we have belts. It's mostly chinese based with some japanese style infused in it. Maybe you should, i dont know, show some respect for people. Try it. I've been doing this for 13 yrs.

[@anthonylong9067]

PadMAD3k good guess. But no dice. Wing chun looks fun. I plan on learning that at some point down the road. "Try what?" I mean try being respectful.

[@anthonylong9067]

PadMAD3k well this school that i go to does. We've been around since 1969. If you wish to spread the truth, be more humble about it.

[@anthonylong9067]

PadMAD3k well be thankful i dont do that shaolindo stuff. You call yourself humble yet you decide to talk trash about my martial arts school in your first comment?

[@anthonylong9067]

PadMAD3k well since this video was the first (and so far, only) video i saw of him.... Also, i forgive you. I dont let that stuff affect me. Especially on the internet

[@RealKungFu]

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[@pr0m3teus79]

dont do like you are fighting. its a dance. nothing more or less.

[@ajcics]

Yikes.....

[@MikeHenrick1]

O Dear. i truly hope this doesn't put someone off martial arts.

[@oxygentank00]

Hahaha as if your opponent must wait what you will do to him next.

[@ashraftaraky8377]

great stuff, thanks, I'm following your lessons from London.

[@mikestrong4946]

Perhaps training with a phony teacher, or even being a phony teacher is part of the path to true knowledge...

[@aaronconstantine1292]

😂🤣😆

[@arc3075]

bagua ia a guerilla style combat art. These may be traditional applications,but appear too complex. keeping it simple truly reveals its awesomeness.

[@davidboyer4554]

close but , fake face is just a poser, he has absolutely no real knowledge, or courage apparently, constantly moving and hiding and ducking all comers, fake face the new face of losers and morally corrupt greed.

[@Yzzlthtz]

If you don't actually fight it isn't fighting

[@micjakes1]

Wish there was a Bagua, Aikido, Shaolin, Wing Chun, and TaiChi fighter in the MMA.

[@davidboyer4554]

don't worry fake waste will train you , he is the master of all martial arts.

[@peironepablo]

none of those martial arts can stand proffessional mma

[@GarGlingT]

He is too stiff not internally he should go shotokan.

[@RealKungFu]

Thanks to Sifu Matthew Lee for appearing in this video. Subscribe to his KZbin channel at: www.KZbin.com/TaoOfKungFu

[@davidboyer4554]

mathew lee you should be ashamed to even be associated with this trash.