Shari Lowin: The Presentation of Jews in the Qur'an and Why Prophets Sin in the Bible

In this interview I chat with Professor Shari Lowin of Stonehill College. We discuss questions about prophecy in the Qur'an vs the Bible and why the Biblical and Qur'anic prophets are so different? Along with this we also speak about Jews in the Qur'an and why the Qur'an attributes certain theological statements and attributes to the Jews.
Professor Lowin's research centers on the interplay between Judaism and Islam in the early and early medieval Islamic periods, c. 800-1200 CE, focusing mainly on the development of Jewish and Muslim exegetical narratives. She is particularly interested in the ways in which the Muslim and Jews living in Islamic societies interacted with one another, namely as they contributed to and drew from each other’s exegetical corpus on shared scriptural forefathers. She is the author of, Arabic and Hebrew Love Poems of al-Andalus (Routledge, 2013). In the seven chapters of this book, she examines Hebrew and Arabic eros poetry (shirat ḥesheq/ `ishq poems) of religious scholars in 10th-13th century Muslim Spain. Her earlier work on Judaism and its relationship with Islam focused on the narratives of Abraham and on accounts of enemies of God in the midrash aggadah and in the ḥadīth. In one such study, a monograph entitled The Making of a Forefather: Abraham in Islamic and Jewish Exegetical Narratives (Brill, 2006), she demonstrates that while Judaism and Islam used each other’s narratives to create narratives of sacred history, they tweaked and adjusted each other’s accounts in their retellings.
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[@celestialknight2339]

Great discussion! I just had a few thoughts of my own to share: - Firstly, it was said that many of the Biblical patriarchs and figures identified as “prophets” in the Qur’an _(‘anbiyā’)_ are not recognized as such in the Bible. However, I would actually say that in many cases this is more a product of people’s general knowledge than what the Biblical text itself actually says. So for example, Abraham is typically not considered a “prophet” by arguably the vast majority of Christian (and perhaps Jewish) laymen believers. However, the Bible calls him a prophet in Genesis 20:7: _”Give the man's wife back to him now, _*_because he's a prophet._*_ He will pray for you, and you will live…”_ The same even goes for King David of the Bible, whom most people would typically never consider to be a “prophet”. And yet we find Peter saying the following in the Book of Acts: _”Fellow Israelites, I can say to you with confidence about the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. _*_But he was a prophet,_*_ and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne.”_ _(Acts 2:29-30)_ - Secondly, it was said during the discussion that one of the aspects lacking in the Qur’an was the idea of prophets “leading” a community. And while this may be true in the strict sense of the term-especially since the Qur’an is more of a summary & homily on the historical Biblical tradition (as Dr. Reynolds himself has argued), and therefore not interested in long narratives that expound on such prophet-community relationships-it is nonetheless one of the STAPLES of the Qur’anic theme of prophethood that the prophets declare: *_”Yā Qowmi”_* _(‘O my community!’)_ which shows the direct concern for the prophets in guiding their people along the right path. This is also buttressed when we read in the Qur’an, in context of prophethood & messengership, it states: *_”You are only a warner-and to every community is a LEADER.” (hād)_* _(Qur’an 13:7)_ Moreover, in a chain of prophets mentioned one after the other, the Qur’an makes it clear that their common exhortation to their community was (as we read multiple times in Sūrah 26: *_”Fear God, and OBEY me!”_* _(Qur’an 26:108,110,126, etc.)_ - And I think it’s safe to say that a “leader” is obeyed. But of course, the Qur’an is also clear that the prophets were not sent as dictators or managers of people (Q 42:6, 50:45, etc.). - Thirdly, I found it interesting that you two mentioned how Noah is called “righteous” yet never ‘preached’ like he said to have done in the Qur’an. But once again-this is actually clarified & further expounded upon by the New Testament authors themselves. For in the Book of 2 Peter, we find the author explicitly state: _”…He did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected _*_Noah, a PREACHER of righteousness,_*_ and seven others”_ _(2 Peter 2:5)_ - Finally, I just thought it worthy to mention, on a more theological note, that one of the main criticisms against the Prophet Muhammad’s mission was the potential self-serving nature of his ministry. Yet one of the clear arguments against that is the very fact surrounding this whole discussion-that the Qur’an notably LACKS any of the features that put the Biblical figures & prophets in “bad light”, despite the fact that it would’ve presumably served the Prophet Muhammad to adopt the biblical narratives, in order to bolster his own image in contrast to rest of his prophetic predecessors. And yet, on the contrary, it seems the Quran on top of leaving out these narratives, perhaps puts Muhammad in even WORSE light than they-it you consider the fact that the Qur’an accuses the Prophet Muhammad of needing God’s forgiveness for sin (Q 47:19, 110:3), as well as making wrong decisions that were rebuked by God (Q 9:43), and even threatening him with a brutal death if he ever dares to try and lie about God (Q 69:44-47). Well anyways, those are just some interesting points I wanted to raise. Oh and also, your guest said “27 books of the Old Testament” towards the beginning…but of course she meant 39 😅 It’s the New Testament that has 27 books in the orthodox canon. But of course that was just a slip of the tongue. Well in any case, great episode, and thanks to both of you! Peace (Salam). *EDIT:* Quick point on “Free Will” (42:38 TimeStamp)-you were both speaking about the Qur’anic phrase: *”God guides whom He wills”* -and how this possibly reconciles with free will. Well it turns out that the Arabic syntax & grammar of this statement: “God guides whom He wills” (‘إن الله ‏يهدي من يشاء’) can also have the “Will” (يشاء) part serve as a descriptor of the word “MAN” (من) rather than the word GOD (الله)-thereby emerging a totally new meaning: *”God guides whoever **_IS WILLING.”_* -So it is not some haphazard decision of God; but rather a promise of guidance to those with an affinity to seek God in the first place, which matches the Qur’an when it says: *_”God does not change the condition of people until they first change what is within themselves.”_* _(Qur’an __13:11__)_ And so you have a perfect preservation of free will, where the phrase can be re-understood to mean: _”The person who is WILLING to be guided-God shall guide that seeking person”_ And as for the Noah story, when it says “No one believes except those who have already done so”; I don’t see a problem with free will, since God’s Divine Foreknowledge could allow such a pronouncement to be made, without jeopardizing the free will of agents. Such as if I were sitting atop a highway inside of a helicopter, for example, and witnessed an impending crash between two trucks going full speed at one another. Did I _CAUSE_ the crash to happen, simply because I knew for certain that it was going to take place? Of course not. I simply bore knowledge of its inevitable reality, and could therefore make a firm conclusion beforehand. And so the same with God-but to a infinite degree of accuracy & perfection, theologically speaking. With free will still 100% intact. Peace to all.

[@mistert8775]

Well said brother.

[@user-tm6ys6mq3x]

Would you do a video on the subject? I would be interested to learn more and you seem to be an expert.

[@dom3073]

​@@user-tm6ys6mq3x what the poster mentioned is typical knowledge to any islamic student of knowledge. This episode was so frustrating to listen to, because of the sheer mistakes the two were making. I dont even know where to begin. I wonder why Dr. Gabriel has never invited an orthodox conservative scholar... 🤔

[@arusirham3761]

@@dom3073 I don't think "any Islamic student of knowledge" ever learned the Bible at all.

[@childofgod4862]

Celestialkinght: My friend, Yes Abraham is prophet because he prophesied about Jesus in Genesis 22:8 8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together So sure Abraham is prophet. Now Jesus is called "Lamb of God" Correct? And same thing is described in your quran 37:107 And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice (i.e. a ram) Now think why Allah will send a Ram to sacrifice to himself??? King David is also a prophet in Christianity because he wrote the psalms which prophesying about Jesus like Psalm 2 whole song is Messianic prophecy Psalm 22 is also prophecy about Jesus "Eli Eli Lamasabakhtani" those words were uttered by Jesus on the Cross. In Psalm 16, King David prophesied about the resurrection of Jesus: I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand And there are many verses prophesying regarding Jesus Ok? Fear God and Obey me" is said by the Mhmd which is foolish because he married 6 year child when he was 51 year of age and also he took his son's wife to be his own wife which is NO NO in Christianity Ok? Your Allah "Guides whomever he will" means there is NO Free will in your islam Go read the Hadith about > Read Sahih al-Bukhari 318 Muslims are predestined. Islamic Allah is pagan deity which does not match with the God of the Bible God of the Bible is called Father and he has Son Yeshua whereas Allah of quran asking HOW CAN HE HAVE SON WHEN HE HAS NO SAHIBA?? In sura 6:101 Thus allah is not Father So he cannot be the Father of Jesus Christ Period

[@stevemartin7362]

Excellent conversation! I really hope there will be a part 2 or more cause there are so many points to cover. Great job as usual!

[@emongral]

Brilliant, thanks for that to you and Professor Lowin.

[@asattar973]

invite Dr. Ali Atae. Who is scholar of Arabic Greek and Hebrew.... Truth will set you free

[@stevesmith4901]

This was such an excellent discussion. Loved it.

[@yazenbuklau]

Super insightful

[@AbdulHannanAbdulMatheen]

👏🙂 Very interesting Great interview

[@FaridNovin]

"Just because God talks with someones and they do talk with God doesn't mean they are prophets!" -- Really?!!

[@tutoriauxsimples938]

Thank you for sharing this great job ! Could we have a link to Pr Shari Lowin works !

[@celestialknight2339]

Quick point on “Free Will” (42:38 TimeStamp)-you were both speaking about the Qur’anic phrase: *”God guides whom He wills”* -and how this possibly reconciles with free will. Well it turns out that the Arabic syntax & grammar of this statement: “God guides whom He wills” (‘إن الله ‏يهدي من يشاء’) can also have the “Will” (يشاء) part serve as a descriptor of the word “MAN” (من) rather than the word GOD (الله)-thereby emerging a totally new meaning: *”God guides whoever **_IS WILLING.”_* -So it is not some haphazard decision of God; but rather a promise of guidance to those with an affinity to seek God in the first place, which matches the Qur’an when it says: *_”God does not change the condition of people until they first change what is within themselves.”_* _(Qur’an __13:11__)_ And so you have a perfect preservation of free will, where the phrase can be re-understood to mean: _”The person who is WILLING to be guided-God shall guide that seeking person”_ And as for the Noah story, when it says “No one believes except those who have already done so”; I don’t see a problem with free will, since God’s Divine Foreknowledge could allow such a pronouncement to be made, without jeopardizing the free will of agents. Such as if I were sitting atop a highway inside of a helicopter, for example, and witnessed an impending crash between two trucks going full speed at one another. Did I _CAUSE_ the crash to happen, simply because I knew for certain that it was going to take place? Of course not. I simply bore knowledge of its inevitable reality, and could therefore make a firm conclusion beforehand. And so the same with God-but to a infinite degree of accuracy & perfection, theologically speaking. With free will still 100% intact. Hope that helps. Peace.

[@danielgarmine4264]

can you explain more about the arabic Syntax and Grammar that brings your conclusion of "...IS WILLING" ? isn't the word "MAN" refers to Allah as arabic culture pronounce Allah as a Male? moreover, isn't using second Allah will be redundant in this context? "Bob cut the tree whom Bob like"

[@celestialknight2339]

@@danielgarmine4264 The word ‘man’ (من) simply means “someone” or “anyone” in a generic way. In either reading, this terms stays the same. The crux of the issue is rather in the final word-يشاء (‘He wills’). This verb, like all other verbs in Arabic, is both gendered and numerated (here, masculine singular). And therefore, since both the terms ‘Allāh’ (الله) AND ‘man’ (the generic person/someone’ (من)) are perfectly compatible with singular masculine grammar-they are therefore both equally plausible candidates as referents to the verb ‘to will or choose’ (يشاء), and either one can qualify it. Thus, we get the two potential meanings: 1) *God guides whomever **_HE_** wills.* (i.e whoever God chooses to guide) OR 2) *God guides whoever **_(themself)_** wants.* (Whereby a person actively desires guidance, thus prompting God to guide them) And these are not inherently contradictory, but can actually be seen as a complementary pairs with one another. In that God has full autonomy to do whatever He chooses, and guide whomever He wishes (including to let go astray anyone who should deserve so). But at the same time, God is fair & just, and therefore promises to guide those who sincerely seeks after His guidance. In other words-ask, and you shall receive.

[@munawaralias8980]

How? Easy. You can choose to be guided. Or not. Up to you.

[@arusirham3761]

The ayah goes like this: إِنَّكَ لَا تَهْدِي مَنْ أَحْبَبْتَ وَلَٰكِنَّ اللَّهَ يَهْدِي مَن يَشَاءُ ۚ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ Meaning: You cannot guide whomever you wish, but [it is] Allah [who] guides whomever He wishes, and He knows best those who are guided. . If you read the ayah fully, instead of focusing unnecessarily on the word "من", you will find that this ayah clearly doesn't mean "... whoever is willing".

[@celestialknight2339]

@@arusirham3761 I partly agree, but this is only one formulation in the Qur’an out of many. And we should not be precluded to think that a dual meaning is not possible, or even intended. The Qur’an is often a fluid text as such. And thus we may accept both meanings as valid and complementary interpretations. This is a common stylistic feature in the Qur’an. For example, when the Qur’an states in Sūrah 4 “Do not kill yourselves” (lā taqtulū anfusikum), this Arabic phraseology can both encompass the meaning of “Do not take your own life” (suicide) as well as “Do not take the lives of your fellow companions” (homicide). And so which exactly is intended?…Both. Because the following response: “God has shown you mercy & compassion” equally applies to both scenarios, as noted by scholars. Or for example the famous passage of Sūrah 3:7, about literal versus metaphorical passages-where it says in the end: “No one knows its true interpretation except God. And those firmly rooted in knowledge say ‘We believe in all of it!’”. It turns out that those “periods” and sentence breaks are not necessary or inherent to the text. So the passage can also be read, understood, and recited as follows: “No one knows its true interpretation except God AND those firmly rooted in knowledge-who say: ‘We believe in it; all is from our Lord!’” (Qur’an 3:7) So again-which interpretation is it? Does GOD alone know the full meaning of the Qur’an? Or God AND the people of knowledge? The answer is: Both. Once again, this can be understood in a dual way. Such that when it comes to the true and sophisticated meaning of a Qur’anic passage, both God as well as people of studious knowledge know its interpretation. But when it comes to the deepest esoteric & most full understanding of the Qur’an, it is God alone who possesses knowledge of its complete meaning, apart from humans. Therefore both meanings can be read from this fluid passage. So now I hope you understand the exegetical basis and framework for my interpretation of the original passage (about God’s guidance), which is nothing new by the way. The Qur’an has long-been recognized to be a flexible and multi-faceted scripture that is capable of bearing multiple meanings even within a single verse; the only caveat of course being that a limited scope of interpretation is possible, since it should fit the overall values, principles, and core message of the plain Qur’anic text, such as themes including absolute monotheism, the importance of ethics & justice, the supremacy & providence of God, and so on-which are all clear & unambiguous teachings from a plain reading of the Qur’an. And so as long as the Arabic phraseology allows for a particular meaning, and it complements the Qur’an without contradicting any of its essential teachings (in violation of Q 3:7)-it can be understood as such. And a verse which says “God guides whoever is willing” is not only NON-contradictory to the providence of God, but perfectly in line with the concept of justice, free will, and personal accountability that run deep through the veins of the Qur’an and its teachings. Peace (Salam).

[@jimbob5848]

Thanks for the conversation and insightful details on the Midrashic insights provided in the Qur'an.

[@amintalha9661]

In the Quran, Noah's son refused to ride the Arc and drowned.

[@SteppinDarqawa]

Thank you.

[@chrisazure1624]

The poems named after a word in the first line reminded me of how the Quran Sura's are named.

[@joshc1893]

I listened to this when released & enjoyed greatly, thanks to both. I seem to remember a bit where an essay by Louis Massignon was mentioned but have had no luck finding it after skipping thru the interview again. Hopefully someone sees this, knows what I am talking about & can share the location in the video or the full citation (tho of course just a name will do fine to get me where I need to go…) of the Massignon text? Many thanks in advance to the kind stranger reading this,

[@malekmoubasher9902]

@Shari Lowin, happy to see you again, please check Q 2:124 , Abraham was a leader as per the Q

[@TohouBohou]

Sorry « Ibrahim » or « Abraham » 😆

[@celestialknight2339]

Great point! And not just Abraham-but by extension his progeny as well! (Which would therefore include all the Israelite prophets). Since the passage continues: *_…He (Abraham) said, “And my descendants, too [will be made into leaders]? God replied, “My covenant does not include the wrongdoers.”_* _(Surah 2:124)_ Abraham’s descendants = Ishmael & Isaac -> Jacob -> the Sons of Israel, and their lines (including Moses, Aaron, and beyond) And this is also augmented by Qur’an 5:20: *_When Moses said to his people, “O my people! Remember God’s blessings upon you, when He placed prophets among you, and made you KINGS, and gave you what He never gave any other people!”_* _(Qur’an __5:20__, Al-Mā’ida)_

[@childofgod4862]

@@celestialknight2339 Why would you trust a man's writings when he has NO witenesses? Mhmd wrote imaginary Allah by copy pasting some prophets of Bible and then Adding his new prophets like Dhul Qaranayn, Sahle, Luqman, Mr Green (Khidr) etc

[@naftalikleinman]

I was taught that Noah's minding his own business, is only vs praying to God for them. He did however warn the people about the uncoming flood.

[@fadiljelin7297]

Thank you Dr. Lowin and Dr. Reynolds for bringin us another great discussion about an engaging and important topic. I really would like to ask both Dr. Lowin and Dr. Raynolds, as well as your audiences, to reflect about the assertions or claims expressed in this discussion about Quran (Quran as a late antique text, rather than the later Quranic exegesis- the two are not one and the same as I hope we all agree - it is important to remember to consistently keep the separation between the two, too often the lines get blurry…). I feel that during this discussion, the diversity and nuances of Quranic terms (nabi, rasul, mursal, hanif, imam, etc…) which are all sometimes translated (or associated with) as a prophet or messenger were not recognized and appreciated in this discussion. Quran only uses nabi about 5 times or so- so it can’t be assumed or claimed (using Quran as evidence itself) that all 25 or more Bilblical characters mentioned in Quran are nabi (prophets in the Biblical (Hebrew) sense). Are we comparing apples and oranges here? Are we using the same parameters or comparing the equivalent categories? Islamic tradition (traditions) is not unanimous about this. Yes, in muslim Sunday school most kids learn there are 25 massagers mentioned in Quran (without going much into who is nabi, who is resul, mursel…). But even in Sunday school most Muslim children are told typically that we are not sure if Luqman is a messenger, we are not sure what is his status or who is El-Khader who is not mentioned by name but appears in Quran; some say Marry might be a prophetess… Likewise, Quran itself is not explicit about the existence of ismah (infallibility of prophets). Ismah is something proposed by the later tradition (traditions). Classical Islamic exegetes (which is in itself problematic category- who do you include or omit?) are not unanimous about whether the messengers (messenger is a term more used in Quran than prophets/nabi) have ismah. They are even less unanimous about what “ismah” means. According to most, if not all, it does not mean they are free from making mistakes and that they are incapable of erring just like other humans. Yes, some claim God protects them from great sins; others say that they sin, but always seek forgiveness and thus must be allowed to sin to show ordinary humans how to repent before God. When Quran as a text omits to mention something about a Biblical character or adds something extra to that narrative, does this automatically justify us in saying that Quran sets itself to “ refute, correct, or supersede” the Bilblical narrative, which is affirmed throughout the Quran as the “guidence and light” and as the previous revelation sent from God? If Quran which, clearly assumes its audience is familiar with the Biblical narrative, omits to bring up some “racy details” from the biblical narrative about David and Lot- does that mean Quran was automatically denying those parts of the narrative. Wouldn’t Quran then address those parts of the narrative for Lot and David, just like it does with the case of Jesus’s crucifixion or Christian doctrine of trinity. If we are ready to draw on the nuances and pluralism of interpretation with one tradition, then the same should be sought and recognized in the other tradition which we are engaging. After all, there is no such a thing as “classical mainstream majority orthodoxy”(even though this is more often ascribed to Islam than to other religious traditions). Just barely over a hundred years ago, before the fall of the Ottoman empire - now heretical Ibn al Arabi was the “classical majority mainstream orthodoxy” at least officially in the most of Islamic world. It is important to recognize that Islamic tradition, just like other traditions is continuously evolving and changing. Engaging in the comparative scriptural analysis of Quran and the Bible through the text itself is one thing, while engaging with a text through the medieval exegesis or polemics is completely different thing. Great scholars always choose the novel and groundbreaking approaches.

[@salahhaddad4352]

A wonderful discussion that opens up other trajectories ignored by Qur'anic studies on Muhammad's biblical sources. It should be noted here that Muhammad's relationship with the Jews and their biblical literature was not limited to Yathrib in the Hijaz (as the guest thinks), but extended to bilad alsham during his work as a merchant before the mission. Great work❤

[@user-oc7vm5tr8y]

@ Salah Haddad : Absolutely agree. A beautiful and nice shared. Jazak Allahu khayran. Aameen.

[@slimm7145]

Inchallah in the grave you LL learn more about Muhammad's biblical sources

[@user-oc7vm5tr8y]

@@slimm7145 Please explain in detail ... Am wait ...

[@zeustn9525]

Interesting discussion but I thought it lacked a bit of structure at times.. especially in the beginning. Also I might have missed something but I'm not sure why you interpreted the Quranic chained hands of God as in relation to his beneficence? Before you started to talk about the Jewish understanding, I understood it as a reference to his power. i.e. God's power cannot be restricted. Am I missing something?

[@TohouBohou]

Who is « god » ?

[@dadrewtv7946]

Amazing interview, thanks. One thing I learn from this interview is that God of the bible emphatizes with his people, lives with his people, when his people suffers, He suffers too in his feeling to the point that he destroys his own house instead of his people. What a sageways to the paralell where the destruction of the temple (the body of the Christ) to save his own people from their misery and death from sin according to His first century jewish followers. differences between prophets and rasul (apostles, messengers) is very clear in islam. a rasul is a prophet, yet a prophet is not necessarily a rasul. prophets does not have community of believers yet, rasul has. On the contrary, the term prohets in the bible is those that proophecy..whoever prophecy is a prophet, there by it means God of the bible put his "spirit on the person" enabling prophecy. More specifically however, there are some of those prophets that are specifically called to have "office as a prophet" besides the kings. example is prophet Nathan and king David. While in quran, prophet does not have to have "prophecy"..just communicate to god, by dream, or other mean of wahy...So when Quran clearly indicate that Mohammad had no prophecy neither miracles yet he is called a messenger.

[@ahmedalhasan9226]

Can someone post a link to the piyut by Eliazer Hakalir that she spoke about?

[@watchman4todayreloaded192]

Even if the Old Testament is silent on Noah preaching to the sinners around him before the flood, the New Testament says that he was a preacher of righteousness. 2 Peter 2:5 " if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others"

[@shamsdoha952]

New Testaments have 4books by different names ,differ each other , But Muslim.has one book without any author ,s name .

[@iiddrrii6051]

Congrats 🎉

[@Nazam44]

Abraham is referred to as an Imam (leader) of people: “[Allah] said, "Indeed, I will make you a leader for the people." [Abraham] - Surah 2:124 (Sahih international translation)

[@TohouBohou]

« Allah » or « god » ? 😳

[@kadysangare8843]

@@TohouBohou Allah mean the God

[@salem353]

no

[@meromelebrashy1873]

Great civilize and brain storming thinking , thanks for both of you. Around the 28 -30 min, talking about sinning of whom we call them righteous or imperfect believers leaders among us( opened the door for some of us to consider Jesus as a different nature deserve specials kind or rank in the divinity, of the God's part), but (with all respect to the Jews scholar's efforts) I would like to add my Islamic understanding that I think in Quran, there is a great point of defining and distinguishing the different kind/ranks/ level of the general mean of righteousness. In Quran all the prophets were human being - they eat, love, or make minor mistakes such get angry as Yunah or Moses, or Mohamad himself when he frowned his face to the blind man. But non of them brook the ten commandments or the basic fundamental Morales (kabaeer in Islam) non of them practice adulatory or killing or stealing. Quran view of how is God chose his messengers or prophets among us as humans, can justify why he did not chose me or you instead, or yes Jesus is a son of God since he is sinless. Quran is very precise in this particular matter, they are humans and can make mistakes and repenting too, but not like our big mistakes that we are daily failing into it.

[@A.--.]

Abraham is himself a nation onto himself: "Surely, Ibrahim (Abraham) was a nation, (i.e., a leader,Imam) devout to Allah, unswervingly upright, and he was not of the associators, (Those who associate others with Allah)" 16:120

[@childofgod4862]

@A.- Stop worshiping pagan deity of pagan Mhmd.

[@A.--.]

@@childofgod4862 Prophet got rid Paganism....you must be talking about someone else

[@dcanebreezy5784]

@@childofgod4862 lol rat liar

[@shihabshihabi375]

The hole in the bible is much bigger than the patch no matter how hard you try to patch it. One of your problem is that you do not deffrentiate between prophet and messanger.

[@HO-be9fy]

As rightly mentioned, the Qura’an came to correct the biblical stories and clear God’s chosen prophets/messengers from false tales.

[@user-xb1ql9xz2t]

Hi ! I am an agonistic and a researcher in the field of Islamic history . One thing that I disagree with this is : At the time of Muhammad , the bible ( OT and NT) didn't exist in arabic , and was translated into arabic after almost 200 years of Muhammad's death . So ,there was no way Muhammad could have copied the then available bible of Jews and of Christians . And there is a hadith of Muhammad where it is mentioned that Jews used to recite the Torah in Hebrew and would then translate it to the disciples of Muhammad . When a disciple informed Muhammad about it , Muhammad said to him ," Say ,' We believe what has been revealed to us and to it , we would incline ." So , it is really sad to see that this man is being accused by a lot of people of things which he didn't do .

[@BenM61]

Also, the Quran gives more detail in Surah 71 about Noah and the stiff necked people of his: 71:1 We sent Noah forth to his people, saying, Warn your people before there comes upon them a grievous punishment 71:2 [Noah] said, My people! I am but a plain warner to you 71:3 that you should worship God [alone] and be conscious of Him. Pay heed to me 71:4 He will forgive your sins and will grant you respite till an appointed time. When the time appointed by God arrives, it cannot be postponed, if you only knew 71:5 He said, My Lord! I have called my people night and day 71:6 but my pleas have only increased their aversion 71:7 Every time I have called to them, so that You might forgive them, they have only thrust their fingers into their ears, covered themselves up with their garments, grown obstinate, and given themselves up to arrogance 71:8 Then I called them openly 71:9 and spoke to them in public and in private 71:10 Then I said, Ask forgiveness of your Lord. Surely He is the most forgiving 71:11 He will send down abundant rain from the sky for you 71:12 increase your wealth and sons; and grant you gardens and waterways 71:13 What is the matter with you that you deny the greatness of God 71:14 when He has created you through different stages of existence 71:15 Do you not see how God has created the seven heavens one above another 71:16 and made the moon therein a light, and made the sun a lamp 71:17 how God has produced you from the earth and caused you to grow 71:18 how He will then return you to it and bring you forth again 71:19 how God has spread the earth out for yo 71:20 so that you may walk along its spacious paths 71:21 Noah supplicated, Lord, they have disobeyed me, and followed those whose wealth and children have only added to their ruin 71:22 and they have hatched a mighty plot 71:23 and they said [to their followers], Do not ever abandon your deities: abandon neither Wadd, nor Suwa, and neither Yaghuth, nor Yauq nor Nasr 71:24 They have led many astray; so lead the wrongdoers to further error 71:25 They were drowned and sent to Hell for their misdeeds; they found no one to help them against God 71:26 Noah prayed, O my Lord! Do not leave on earth a single one of those who deny the trut 71:27 if You leave any, they will misguide Your servants, and they will beget none but sinners and deniers of truth 71:28 Lord! Forgive me and my parents and every true believer who enters my house, forgive all the believing men and believing upon the wrongdoers except in women; and bestow no increase ruin. Does that make you feel that the people of Noah didn’t have ample warning? Obviously not. Do you think God acted in bad manner and took away their free will? No. Was God unjust? No. He was just not like the way you Christians claim God to be in Exod. 10. And Yahweh said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh: for I have hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might shew these my signs before him: But Yahweh hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go. Yahweh hardened pharaoh’s heart to show his power. Really! To show his power! Pathetic. Let’s see what God in the Quran told Moses and Aaron to say when they meet pharaoh: 20:41 I have chosen you for Myself 20:42 Go, you and your brother, with My signs, and do not be remiss in remembering Me 20:43 Go, both of you to Pharaoh, for he has transgressed all bounds 20:44 *But speak gently to him; perhaps he may yet take heed or even feel afraid* 20:45 They both said, Our Lord, We fear that he may commit some excess against us, or exceed all bounds in transgression 20:46 God said, Do not fear; I am with you both. I hear and I see 20:47 Go to him and say, We are both messengers from your Lord. Let the Children of Israel go with us, and do not oppress them. We have brought you a Sign from your Lord, and may peace be upon whoever follows the right guidance 20:48 it has been revealed to us that punishment shall overtake him who rejects it and turns away. The gulf between how God is portrayed in the Quran and the Bible is huge. The Bible does not make much sense and is unreasonable. It was written by men after all. You are just too blind to see the truth.

[@idolwrecker]

We Muslims send salutations and blessings on holy family of prophet Syedna Ibrahim (Abraham) peace be upon him and his progeny(that includes Jesus Christ pbuh) اللَّهُمَّ صَلِّ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ وَعَلَى آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ كَمَا صَلَّيْتَ عَلَى إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَعَلَى آلِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، إِنَّكَ حَمِيدٌ مَجِيدٌ، اللَّهُمَّ بَارِكَ عَلَى مُحَمَّدٍ وَعَلَى آلِ مُحَمَّدٍ كَمَا بَارَكْتَ عَلَى إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَعَلَى آلِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، إِنَّكَ حَمِيدٌ مَجِيدٌ Allaahumma salli 'alaa Muhammadin wa 'alaa 'aali Muhammadin, kamaa sallayta 'alaa 'Ibraaheema wa 'alaa 'aali 'Ibraaheema, 'innaka Hameedun Majeed. Allaahumma baarik 'alaa Muhammadin wa 'alaa 'aali Muhammadin, kamaa baarakta 'alaa 'Ibraaheema wa 'alaa 'aali 'Ibraaheema, 'innaka Hameedun Majeed O Allah, bestow Your favor on Muhammad and on the family of Muhammad as You have bestowed Your favor on Ibrahim and on the family of Ibrahim, You are Praiseworthy, Most Glorious. O Allah, bless Muhammad and the family of Muhammad as You have blessed Ibrahim and the family of Ibrahim, You are Praiseworthy, Most Glorious. Al-Bukhari: 320

[@vahidindonlic7012]

I think she is making a mistake when she says the Quran is about unbelief while the Bible is about morality...the Quran is focused on the Meccans that is the reason for the emphasis but the position 'a believer does not' is very Quranic

[@TingTong2568]

That's the traditional Islamic narrative which now scholars cast a huge doubt on its historicity

[@meromelebrashy1873]

around 48 min, Sheri commented on how Allah some time he saying that he directing whom he will (but grammatically it is whom they will) that mean if you are willing to find the right pass (Allah will support you and guide you) The willness here is for the humans. not for God.

[@munawaralias8980]

In the Quran a Prophet also known as a Messenger, a Warner.

[@arusirham3761]

messenger (rasul) is a vague word. It can be applied to prophet, as you said, or angel (Fatir: 1) and Jesus' apostle (Yasin: 14). I think the author of the Quran didn't understand the Judaic concept of Nevi (the root of the word "Nabiy".

[@cadence764]

I clicked on the video cuz the lady is so pretty but ended up watching the whole video

[@samilamine950]

Oh people of the book يا أهل الكتاب Let us come to a common ground that we worship none but GOD alone without any partners or associates and through absolutely no intermediaries whatsoever no matter what they are and submit to him alone, obey him, keep his commandments and follow his prophets and messengers, allowing what he has made lawful and forbidding what he has forbidden; the holy Quran is the hardest evidence ever given to humanity, may I suggest that you should read it and concentrate about his meanings however I should tell you also if you know the Arabic language then you would certainly be more convinced of this huge miracle that's because it has challenged the most eloquent people in Arabic to bring one chapter like it in eloquence and high literature and believe me no one has been able meet the challenge till now and no one will be able till the last day so therefore it's worth believing in it to be the word of GOD and it's crucial to submit to GOD, adhere to his commandments and abide by his laws, and by the way may I suggest also if you could pounder on the Quran moral values, let me tell you that there could be no source for moral values except the creator of the universe and all that exists whether the atheists and the agnostics like it or not.

[@fadiljelin7297]

Dr. Lowin - I really want to command you for your groundbreaking research on the post Biblical Jewish sources which Quranic texts is engaging. This is truly revolutionary scholarship and you make an important point about “not looking too far back” into time for the sources which Quran interacts with, which I believe will truly benefit the future scholarship on the subject. I hope other scholars in the field make a note of your findings. As a side note slightly off the topic - You mentioned the word “submission” in relation to Quran as opposed to the Bible. The word “submission” is used often to translate the word Islam (there is much debate in Quranic studies what Islam really means and whether Muhammad and his followers even called their religion Islam). However Salafis/Wahhabi Muslims love to translate Islam as “submission” (about 10 million Salafis by some estimates in the World; for the comparison’s sake there is 13-16 million Ismaili Muslims who are another minority at the opposite liberal side of the spectrum). Interestingly, Islamophobes also love to translate Islam as “submission”. This term has been turned into something that reinforces negative and malicious stereotypes about 1.7 billion Muslims in the World who are not Salafi or Wahhabi. The translation of Islam as “submission” makes most English speaking Muslims cringe (other than Salafi/Wahhabi) provided they understand its connotations in the English language as well as the “root origin” of the word “submission”. This is not how Islam is understood or experienced in the daily life of the majority 1.7 billion Muslims. On the other hand, if we look at the Quranic term Islam - its root is semitic “slm”- the same like in the word “selam” which means peace, safety, prosperity, wellbeing like hebrew “shalom”. Simply by looking at the root of the word Islam, an objective observer might find “submission” to be an inadequate translation, to say the least. Most English speaking Muslims will find this translation misleading. Even translating islam as “surrender” is problematic, though little bit more true to its Arabic semitic root “slm”. I propose that Islam as lived by Muslims is as far from surrender or submission as you can get. The Quranic message is experinced as an invitation for a self-reliant struggle (even to the bitter end if needed) but always with a goal of achieving peace, safety, well being that even felicity that is associated with God’s presence in this world and the next; exerting an effort at personal as well as community level; getting up again and again after falling; exertion on Gods path, undying hope for God’s Mercy, despite the odds, through new beginnings again and again. Islam is daily experienced by Muslims as Ijtihad, the struggle, self-reliance, and exerting oneself to uncover the truth and the intended meaning of God’s word in the Quran and Sunnah and how to apply it in one’s daily life with all the challenges the modern world brings. Even Salafism and Wehhabism at the extreme puritanical, illiberal end of Islam are founded on the principle of self-reliance and challenging rather than submitting oneself to the classical orthodox authorities and blind faith in matters of Quranic Interpretation. The failure of Salafis is that they give primacy to the secondary and tertiary medieval religious tradition over the Quran as the primary source. Recently, Juan Cole (I know…why you bring him up, black listed,…not trying to get Dr. Raynolds fired) has proposed translating Islam, as “tradition” or something that is “passed on” or “bequeathed”, an “heirloom/haritage/legacy” from generation to generation. In Arabic- there is aslama (same root “slm”), which is used when you for example gift or pass on a book to a friend. Politics aside, Cole proposes to translates or understand Islam as the tradition or monotheistic legacy of Abraham. By comparison, you during this discussion related a beautiful story from the Jewish tradition - about Jewish soldiers seeing multitudes of Angles descend from the sky to defend the Holly of Hollies, and then laying their arms down in “submission” to God’s awe and power. In islamic tradition, there is a similar story about the battle of Badr, but when Angels descend, the Muslims press on with the resistance even harder and ever so bilder, with self reliance. Even the female heroine Lubaba bint al-Harith reacts to the news of the Angles descending not by passive submission or surrender, but rather by self-reliantly standing up to Abu Lahab’s tirany. As it is said in the Hadith, “ Trust in God, but still tie the camel”. Dr. Lowis I hope you will reflect about and reconsider how appropriate it is to associate the notion of “submission” as a Quranic principle and as a part of the Islamic traditional worldview, which has turned into an unfortunate and misleading stereotype about Muslims.

[@A.--.]

So WHY does the definition of prophets CHANGE from the bible to the rabinic communities after that? On qho's authority do the rabbis make up definitions? Are people following Rabbis instead of God? Each Rabbi representing hos group like the 71 sects Hadeeth?

[@ideiskhalil9797]

SHARI Lowin you are great i enjoy watching your lecture . Because you are objective . Islam means submission ti the well of god . Technicly speaking all the prophets like moses david jesus and all israels prophrts are Moslems ..

[@anaveler4147]

reminded of Balaam of Beor - the prophet of two faiths, in the Jewish & in the Christian bible, no idea if Islam found use

[@AschenakiGuangul]

Isn't Lot called righteous in the New Testament?

[@AlexSharayMusic]

In Islam, “God guides whom He wills” means God will certainly guide those who are sincerely seeking God with purity in their heart.

[@rashidrahman9673]

82,people we're in ship of Noah,

[@dreamercold]

Shari Lowen clearly shows her biases.

[@clearskybluewaters]

12:34 although I think in New Testament Lot is called righteous. This is important because Jesus and his followers are also jews.

[@DotaAvailable]

there are different between انبياء and prophets رسل in the quran in arabic both has difference meaning Also could you explain please why samaritans have a different Tourah ? because this is so important also

[@childofgod4862]

DotaAvailable. My frien Al Nabiyun means prophets and Rasul means messenger So learn Arbic Samartican where not during the time of Moses as your forgetfull Allah described it. They are the Jews who married non Jews and they became mixture of Jews and gentile but kept their Jewish custome are called Samaritans, about 721BC Ok?

[@DotaAvailable]

@@childofgod4862 i am muslim and egyptian and i know there is a different between نبي and رسول You got me wrong about samaritans i am asking about jewish faith because samaritans claims they are the real peole of tourah and they have the oldest tourah on earth.

[@DotaAvailable]

@@childofgod4862 and actually i speak arabic.

[@DotaAvailable]

@@childofgod4862 i am replying to the video of somepoint they dont underatand why soliman is prophet in quran. So i am saying the samething you saying about messenger and prophet.

[@DotaAvailable]

@@childofgod4862 but i disagree about the smaritans point with you. As they are more ancient from nowdays jews

[@Mahad921]

Noah's wìfe and son where part of the people that drowned as stated in Surat Hud and the reason given is that they were not believers

[@TohouBohou]

Pleaz try harder 😆

[@Dharvanshi]

Noah's family (Ahal) in the Quran is based on belief and not genetic.Secondly the Quran does not support the New Testament not what the Christians say about Christianity. When the Qur'an talks about the book it doesn't include the Christian Bible. But Thora is the most talked about and the Bani Israel. The hawareuns in the Qur'an are not the support of Jesus.

[@al.masihi]

Lot was called righteous in 2nd peter 2:7 though

[@larryjackson6075]

It took me a life-time of independent struggle to see the truth.

[@mohammedhanif6780]

where did you find it?

[@childofgod4862]

@@mohammedhanif6780 Not in Mhmd Nor in his pagan Allah.

[@emranba-abbad8335]

For a balanced view of this important subject, please interview Dr. Ali Ataie. At 24:15 of this video the discussion about who was saved with prophet Noah. The Quran states Noah's wife and one of his son's were not saved. The wife was a disbeliever and one of his sons refused to join them and sought a mountain instead. Thus, in the Quran it is clear that the measure of safety was belief and following of the prophet of that time (Noah). At 35:30 of this video, the discussion of what was prophet Noah doing. The Quran states Noah was preaching God's message to his people for full 950 years in every which way. During all this time they were rejecting him and fighting his mission and oppressing the believers.

[@JohnGeometresMaximos]

Ali is an ignorant child.

[@amintalha9661]

What does she mean by God is restraining himself? Doesn't this mean that God is chained?

[@reginaldodonoghue9253]

Is Qur’an 2:102 saying Solomon’s alleged sins were caused by impersonating demons?

[@maenalmilli3396]

I would like to draw attention if I may to a point raised in the video that The Quran doesn’t address whether Noah family faith was of being believers or not. Surat AlAnbiya’e Aya 27 reads “ And we maid Noah victorious upon those that falsified the truth of our signs for they were a nation of evil so we drowned them all*”. In view of this I think humbly that the point is made. On another point where some unclarity occurs in comparing the view of God in Judaism and Islam by not bringing forth the difference in the nature of the covenant of Abraham. In the Bible it is given by God to Abraham and his children unconditionally while in Quran Abraham implores God to keep the leadership of faith in him and his offspring all, upon which God makes his covenant conditionally granted to those offspring that are just by stating that his covenant isn’t given to those that are unjust, meaning that only the just offspring of Abraham are granted the covenant in Syrah The Cow Aya 20.

[@A.--.]

The definition of a Prophet or Messanger in Quran is straight forward. If they are called it by Allah, they are it. We dont need some lady with superficial reafing and low comprehension to make up her own definitions out of thin air.

[@BlushNa]

Why u don’t bring same one who knows meaning of the Quran???? She doesn’t know nothing about the Quran and he is keep asking questions about Quran.🙄🙄🤔

[@nurisunnah2871]

As someone who has personally read her publications, and is familiar with her work beyond KZbin videos, I would say that she knows an awful lot about Islam; in addition to that, she is a professor of and has a degree in Islamic studies.... Allah knows best.

[@amintalha9661]

Professor Lowen is equivocal about Noah's righteousness. She seems to accentuate "muddying the waters" about the righteousness of the Prophets. The Quran is unequivocal about the righteousness of all of God's Prophets.

[@KS-vs4ke]

If you are studying the Quran and your Arabic is good enough, you should listen to Dr. Fadel Saleh Samarrai, you will understand the linguistic statement of the quran much better.. from translation you never get always the right meaning .. search youtube for لماذا سيدنا إبراهيم رسول

[@amintalha9661]

Why is everything Rabbinic tradition? Where is "God says in the Torah"?

[@El-flaco-d]

When Allah says he guides who he wills. If your response is what does that mean, it only means you’re not the one guided. Your response is supposed to be well let me do something to gain his favor in hopes he would guide you. Sometimes is not for you to figure out it’s meaning but to stir a response. If I said I will give a million dollars to people who I chose in this room. If your response is what does that mean. Most likely you’re not the one getting it.

[@Applied_Theory]

It would make more sense if you asked a Muslim scholar about the Qur'an.

[@amintalha9661]

So a Prophet tells God: "I told you so". Huh! Not according to the Quran.

[@connectingminds187]

They allegedly sin bcz those who invented the sin stories were sinners

[@samilamine950]

jesus is the true messiah, the servant of GOD and the messenger of GOD, however jesus is a human being mortal can neither bring any benefit nor remove any harm from anyone except what GOD has willed.

[@asattar973]

David (PBUH) never commit adultery. Curse of Allah be on those who wrote lies in bible about Prophets of Allah.

[@ConsideringPhlebas]

Somewhat relevant is the popular Muslim belief that Noah's flood was only local, in supposed contrast to the Biblical global flood. But I don't think this interpretation is particularly borne out by the Quran itself, or the classical exegetical tradition.

[@ZEC020]

that interpretation only became relevant in early modernity because of the need felt by Muslims (similarly to other religious groups of that period) to naturalize miracles in their scripture to make the stories seem more historically plausible.

[@ConsideringPhlebas]

@@ZEC020 Bingo.

[@dom3073]

​​​@@ZEC020 That may be true but Muslims also wouldnt have a problem in accepting that it was global flood as miracles are also accepted. They took the position of a local flood because the Quran doesnt negate it nor present anything that goes against the idea of a local flood. Because of that, they tend to err on the side of caution and take a rational/naturalistic viewpoint since the natural everyday world presumes natural phenomena and philosophical naturalism.🎉

[@michalptacnik1]

I am quite surprised here: Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, and definitely King David are nevi'im. Also, Lot, if I remember correctly. It is just that being a navi doesn't mean, unlike in Islam, AT ALL, that they are going to behave completely correctly. It means that they behave correctly on our low level... but orthodox Judaism assumes their trials to be on a much higher level. Where we would, of course, fail - but they fail too, though in way subtler ways. The entire point of this part of the tradition is to explain that the so-called gross violations are actually explainable but lead to real, spiritual and principal violations. There is an exception: Moshe is comparable to a Rasul rather than a Nabi - he hears prophecy standing and brings the Law. And Moshe is incapable of sinning like an angel is. He sees clearly the consequences. There are at least two other Rasuls, however: Bal'aam, who is actually still plunging into the sin anyways and experiences a short life as a result, and then the King Messiah at the end of days. So, from what I hear in this discussion, the Jewish tradition is being analyzed using Muslim definitions. But that's not exactly what is going on there.

[@aismail8321]

These kinds of interviews really bring out the limitations of Western academia in studying the Quran or Islam itself. As compartmentalisation has become the norm in academia, there is not many people with a comprehensive understanding of Islam as a religion. A lot of times, they miss out on the very basics that may not be directly linked to their own field of study and make laughable mistakes in their analysis. Maybe these academics should join a madrasa and learn the basics first before jumping to make grand conclusions that are, to be put mildly, ridiculous at best or simply wrong.

[@samboy90]

👏👏 Well said. They’re extremely ignorant when it comes to Islam.

[@iiddrrii6051]

It’s a historical critical perspective, not theology.

[@phlebas9204]

This comment, which refutes nothing specific, is a waste of space.

[@iiddrrii6051]

@@phlebas9204 no need to be a dick though. Commenter is simply conflating theology and faith with historical critical academics.

[@phlebas9204]

@@iiddrrii6051 yes and they won't even understand your comment.

[@ttt3258]

The Quran And The Secrets Of Egypt , many prophets one message 🌼 watch on youtube , very informative , the Quran corrects the bible

[@ttt3258]

Arabic Influence on Modern Hebrew , Lang focus 🌼 watch on youtube

[@mustafasom1426]

Hello! Prophethood or Nabiyoon are specifically associated with the Torah, starting with Moses.

[@childofgod4862]

So your quran is Liar when it says, >Sura 45:16 We did aforetime grant to the Children of Israel the Book the Power of Command, and Prophethood; there is NO mention of any othre prophets like Moses or Ismael Ok?

[@nadermusa4562]

Those who despair at their condition, not looking at the consequences of their own actions and more importantly do not appreciate the higher reality that Allah bestows according to an unfathomable wisdom, might injuriously picture God's hands as "tied up". We see this attitude across cultures, religions and time. Even today by fatalists and atheists. Some Israelites contemporaries to the prophet Muhammad expressed this thought, despairing at their lowly conditions. This situation came in consequence to their rebellious attitude towards the last revelation that came to the Ishmaelite prophet among them, but also the rejection of the prophets and revelations that came before, including Jesus and those Israelite prophets calling for the adherence to their own books 5:64-6"Nay, both His hands (of Power) are (always) spread out. He bestows as He pleases. And what has been sent down to you from your Lord will certainly increase many of them in insolence and infidelity...And if they had kept Up the Torah and the Evangel and what was sent down to them from their Lord, they would certainly have had (of the bounties) from above them and from beneath their feet. Among them there are people who are moderate, but (as for) many of them, evil is what they do". As always, it is much easier to read the Quran in context than to work with the untenable premise that an Arab layman had access to knowledge not even modern academics with today's easy access to information cannot find except with lengthy research. Then as regards Noah, it clearly is strange that this Gen7:1"righteous among his generation" praised by later prophets the likes of Ezekiel for his urpightness Ezek14:14 was never confronted by a whole nation whose behaviour was completely different than his, or that he, as a righteous did not go out of his way to admonish them. As stated in the video, only in the midrash do we find mention of his preaching and reforming efforts. It is even argued that part of the reason it took so long to build the ark was to give people time to ask Noah what he was doing and to repent. The flaw in that assertion is that if the order to build the Ark was issued then it means the fate of the nation was already sealed and the punishment bound to befall them. That is why the Quran states that it was towards the end of his preaching mission, when the prophet Nuh was informed through revelation that 71:1-28,11:25-49"none of your people will believe except those who have already believed..And make the ark before Our eyes and (according to) Our revelation, and do not speak to Me in respect of those who are unjust; surely they shall be drowned". It is only at that culminating point of disbelief following long, tireless preaching that the command to start building the Ark was issued. The Quran adds that this project was performed under "God's watch" for he now needed protection from the hardened disbelievers during the time needed. This is the precision of the Quran as it retells ancient stories obscured and confused throughout the ages.

[@amintalha9661]

The Jews are the ones saying that God's hands are chained, not the Quran!

[@tar-elenionmaranwe1275]

Rather, the quran is claiming the Jews say that...

[@fahvm4362]

If you read the meaning of Quran, you know what God says to the Jews. What's God invited to the Jews to do.

[@MBiernat0711]

Just to add: we must remember that Islam was heavily influenced by Christianity and its perception of Jesus: the PURE (sinless) man. Since Jesus was pure /sinless to Christians - so would the early Muslims project this “perfection” onto its own teachers and leaders (including the “prophet Muhammad”), and also projected that into the traditional Jewish prophets and important figures.

[@andanandan6061]

offcourse prophet making mistake but doing incest is definelty too much for God guided messanger. Something we find in the bible.

[@andanandan6061]

Heavily influence? Like what ? Worshiping cross ? Believe in trinity and sin atonement ? Be specific what influence is that. Bcz it is clear Prophet and Quran explicitly condemn trinitarian.

[@richardanthony3267]

I must say,if Islam was "heavily influenced " by Christianity it definitely chose to deny the founding uniqueness of the Christian faith,the Trinity,the Quran literally tells one to cease and not to even say "Three", denied the killing of Jesus, the Messiah, so I would have to disagree with the "heavily influenced by Christianity" and the fact that the Qur’an literally sanctifies, and returned the dignity of the previous prophets of God, claiming to correct the previous Scriptures of mistaken creeds and concepts, of who actually God is, I find it quite intriguing, that the Quran its self claims to be a continuation of the monotheistic traditions of the original one God. Believing the Quran as a revelation, or not, doesn’t take away the fact that it is the carrier of the true monotheistic belief in the God, claiming Christians follow, only conjecture, I find it quite remarkable that the author of the Quran, instead of reconciling with the Christians to gain more followers, would, in fact, deny the core fundamental belief of Christianity not just the trinity, but also the vicarious atonement, of the death of Jesus, as a sacrifice for sins . And original choice of concept..

[@MBiernat0711]

@@andanandan6061 actually - not worship - but the writers of the Quran not only accepted death and rising of Jesus - Jesus became the role -model of the “righteous martyr” who “does not really die, but SEEMS to die.” This is because Islam took up the “Davidic” side of Jesus-Messiah (the messiah/warrior). There is so much to say about it …. That is, by the way, why the Quran says that “martyrs do not really die but SEEM to die”. So, of course, we have the influences that everyone knows about - like the Apocrypha or just the common understanding that Jesus was born pure, sinless, (and not known to commit any transgressions as an adult) - but there are more settle instances Quran is influenced by: from Jesus’ name “Issa” which is derived from Syriac Christian “Isho” which, in turn, is derived from the Jewish name “Yeshu”, to arguing with the adoptionist stance that “Jesus was adopted at baptism” (thus, “Allah does not take a boy”), to assimilating modal trinitarianism (Allah, the “mother” or spirit and Isho the messiah are parts of one, unifed Allah, but they are not equal and only Allah is worthy of worship)…..

[@MBiernat0711]

@@richardanthony3267 the Quran does not deny the killing of Jesus - it denies that it was the JEWS who killed him. This is because, according to the Quran, it is only up to Allah to give and take life (including Issa who is part of the Islamic Trinity, therefore can give life / clay birds), and also - Allah kills THROUGH people’s hands. It is always Allah who has the last command, and not any people. According to the Quran - Jesus (Issa, from Syriac Isho), also called “Muhammad” in the Quran- is the warrior who carries the presence of God (Sheikina) within him, and leads the “believers” into battle. To say that the Quran denies the death and resurrection of Jesus is a gross, gross misunderstanding- not only Jesus is the “Muhammad” or praised Martyr, he also predicts his death and resurrection from the cradle. (Also, John the Baptist is included as one who dies and resurrects, that is because some believed that John was the Messiah).

[@ME-yp7fn]

هولاء المستشرقون لا يبحثون عن الحقيقة و لكن هم لهم اعتقادات مسبقة معادية للاسلام و يستخدمون لغة البحث العلمي و التزييف و التحريف لاثبات تلك المعتقدات, و هم لا يختلفون في شئ عن الاسلوب الذي اتبعته الفرق الباطنية عبر التاريخ الاسلامي بتفسيراتها المنحرفة للنصوص لتأكيد معتقداتهم, ولذا تجد هولاء المستشرقون يستشهدون باقوال الفرق المنحرفة الباطنية او غلاء الشيعة و لا يهتمون كثيراً من مصادر الاسلام الاصلية, فالمسلمون يتبعون الدليل و هولاء المستشرقون يتبعون الهوي, و لا يعلمون بالقاعدة التي بني عليها علماء الاسلام العلم الاسلامي و هي "اذا كنت مدعياً فالدليل, و ان كنت ناقلاً فالصحة" اي اذا كنت تدعي شيئاً فعليك اثباته بالدليل المناسب له سواء كان دليل عقلي او تجريبي او احصائي مرصود, و ان كنت تنقل خبر عن النبي عليه الصلاة و السلام او شئ عن اخبار الغيب او الاسلام فعليك اثبات صحة النقل بتقديم سلسلة الاسانيد و عرض الكلام علي اصول المسلمين العقدية والفقهية و استخدم علوم الحديث في بحثها اما لقبولها او دحضها, هولاء المستشرقون يستخدمون الاساليب الادبية و تحليل النصوص غيرها التي استخدموها في دراسة الاناجيل ثم يجمعونها مع شذرات من مخطوطات مشكوك فيها و يفترضون قصة او رواية ثم ينسجون احداث خيالية و بناء حبكة قصصية و تغليفها بلغة البحث العلمي للتلبيس علي عقول الناس, و من اراد فهم نصوص الاسلام فعليه دراسة و استخدام علوم اصول الفقه و الدين و غير ذلك من الاساليب فهي علوم زائفة

[@MBiernat0711]

It doesn’t matter if the family of Noah were righteous or not individually- because they were his “possession” or extensions - so, as “belonging” to Noah, they would join him in the arc. It would take a serious transgression on their part to be rejected.

[@liban4679]

In the Quranic narrative Allah teachers humanity that, not your bloodline that makes you righteous but your believe in him "God", that's why Noah son wasn't saved at the end: "And Noah called to his Lord and said, “My Lord, indeed my son is of my family; and indeed, Your promise is true; and You are the most just of judges!” {Ayah 45} He said, “O Noah, indeed he is not of your family; indeed, he is [one whose] work was other than righteous, so ask Me not for that about which you have no knowledge. Indeed, I advise you, lest you be among the ignorant.” {Ayah 46}......it makes perfect sense, like Jews now days who believe they are chosen by God no matter what they do.

[@liban4679]

Similarly in Quran Abraham father was idol worshiper and Allah "God" put him to hellfire.

[@MBiernat0711]

@@liban4679 this is a very interesting observation, because for the writers of the Quran to criticize the patronage by blood - it would mean that this custom was stil known and practiced by the 7th century early Muslims. Indeed - Allah is the “wali” or protector, and the protectorate is the practice of tribal societies which rely on the protection of the tribal elders for every day life practice - including safe passage on the roads. Anyway -/ the ideas of being righteous or saved individually- PROBABLY comes from Christianity - which stresses the importance of spirit OVER the flesh, and disregard rituals or, even, the Torah instruction. So Christianity moves away from flesh and blood and into spirit and teachings of Jesus Christ as the sustenance for the soul. Thus - the Quran writers adopted some of those ideas of individualism and conduct of self, independent from tribe.

[@mohammedhanif6780]

​@Monika Benay did the NT writers copy their ideas of individual responsibility from the Romans?

[@MBiernat0711]

@@mohammedhanif6780 Christianity is more influenced by Greek thought than Roman. Greeks understood the supreme God as a deity who could “do nothing bad”, that is, was absolutely good. The Jewish and Islamic gods are more like human beings in that their wills are divided: they can either do good (like create lives) or do horrible things to humans (like kill of the enemies of the tribes who worship them). This tribalism and general understanding of “god” who leads armies -/ is what keeps conflicts between the Jews and Muslims, and also WITHIN each groups and among themselves. The God of Jesus is more like the God of Socrates than of Moses :) AND - personal ethics and responsibility are very much a Socratic thought.

[@Babasayee]

ISHIQ te atish duhno barabar par ISHIQ ta wadhara atish balahiay khakh tey kanay Ashiq jallay Dil jehrra atish Pani nal bujjhandi tey ISHAQ da daro kehrra gulam freeda othay chah na rakhin jathay ISHIQ laigha gharra

[@afyatv7151]

Dude why don't you read surah Noah to answer your question instead of reading surah Hud

[@db575]

she's in trouble to explain what is a prophet in the torah it seem to me that she is just searching for arguments to defend what its not easy to defends,shes trying to make plausible what is not she based in her opinion but i guess its not the orthodox thinking saying patriachcs are not prophets by the way the tanah has no explicit indication that all the zdikin are not prophets no matter wich jobs a prophet did he is a prophet because simply has a massage from the all mighty thats the proof that the torah is man made in many parts not all but many noah did preach accordind to coran but he didnt in the torah here is a big difference

[@sayedahmad9209]

11:00 that's just misunderstanding and lack of knowledge of Islam on your part. In an Islamic understanding there are prophets who had ten, a couple or even zero followers Ibn ‘Abbaas, said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The nations were shown to me and one or two Prophets would pass by me with a group (of followers), and a Prophet who had no one with him…”Narrated by al-Bukhaari (5705) and Muslim (220). I'm just in the beginning of this and this lady is assuming all sorts of things about Muslims and some them are true; but only with a layman who doesn't know his religion and hasn't studied it.

[@hichamn8373]

In the Quran you find Sons of israel and you find jews … it mainly has to do with to two different eras ! Jews or yahood is the era after the end of israel and it’s very problematic including their refusal of prophet aissa ( Jesus ) and their refusal of prophet and messenger Mohamed.

[@user-kj8yl6sn2z]

To clarify, all Muslims believe that the Torah and the Gospel are distorted, so we do not resort to relying on them at all. Because religion is not a game to take novels or texts from other religious books. The Qur’an was a correction of the faith of the believers after the distortion that came in the Torah and the Gospel in the meaning of Islamic monotheism in which all the prophets believed, and a correction of the great attributes of the Creator in the Qur’an, which were distorted by the doctrine of the Trinity, or what the Jews say with some attributes that are not commensurate with the greatness of the Creator, and a correction of the reputation of the prophets, which has been abused To their reputation in the Bible and new canons fit for this age

[@TohouBohou]

The « Quran » is not « divine » you should know it in 2023 😳

[@hans471]

So your God sent down thousands of prophets and books and all of these books got corrupted or lost. Only the quran is perfectly preserved. On the other hand, the quran is incomplete and relies on the bible in its understanding. Can you e.g. tell me anything meaningful about Kind David from the quran without resorting to external sources? 🙄This does not make sense from the start.

[@TohouBohou]

without the ancient « Hebrew Text » .. « Bible» & « Coran » cannot « stand » Finaly 😘😵‍💫

[@andanandan6061]

​​​​@@hans471ude your corrupted biblos were not available in 7th Century Arabia and early Muslim were not in need of your book to interpreted Quran. Quran is treated as source of law not the way you Christian treat it as novel or comic only but Ignore all the law it contains bcz Jesus died naked on cross for you sin probably ???

[@andanandan6061]

​@@TohouBohouWho say that ? We are practicing Islam not racist Judaism or baseless salvation on the cross and Quran/Sunnah from Prophet sufficient for that. Afterall don't you know Arabic version of standardized corrupted biblos were not available in 7th Century Arabia?

[@chrisazure1624]

Is there any hint in the Jewish writings about Ezra being the Son of God as the Quran claims choose (SIC) said?

[@TohouBohou]

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[@ttt3258]

The pagan origins of Christianity , many prophets one message 🌼 watch on youtube 👍

[@ttt3258]

Are the core beliefs of Christian Unitarism or Islam closer , Rabbi Tovia Singer 🌼 watch on youtube . Stop 🛑 paganism 👍

[@chrisazure1624]

@@ttt3258 Strange since Muhammad got his understanding on the OT all wrong.

[@ttt3258]

@@chrisazure1624 The Quran And The Secrets Of Egypt , many prophets one message 🌼 watch on youtube , you will see in this video , the Quran corrects the bible , actually the bible is currpted , it had so much adding and subtracting since the time of Babylon during the enslavement

[@misteryoww5026]

28:00 we just see as people wanting to do those things, or already did them and lying on those prophet of God claiming that they did those things.

[@Babasayee]

One's we found in holly Quran and others books messenger's prop totally being in painful experience and hets mean person who's people's mostly going against them painful experience sad full and horrible treatment and greet tested with Man his favorite souls May Allah blessings upon All creations

[@AvarClan]

I was see exploring the Talmud and what it says about none jews.

[@rashidrahman9673]

God's way of life, has always been the same, monotheism, worship 🙏 only God nothing else, believe in his Angels his prophets his books, Hell and heaven. .,"

[@CD-ew8wz]

Only Jesus Christ was sinless. It's not difficult.

[@fawzifadhel1173]

Prophet Noah his wife and his son did not accompanied him

[@tar-elenionmaranwe1275]

"did not accompanied him" where?

[@subeerbarkhdle2341]

39:55 non muslim need to understand that god knows the future and the past he know who will go to heaven and hell the sealing of the heart comes when person have wittnes the truth and agrees with the faith but denied it for trivial reasons and desire god wouldnt seal heart that could return to him in faith and free will comes with responsibility and person that cant take account for it like children and mentality ill are not responsible for there actions god clearly says that if human beings were not able to sin like angels he would create another creation so they could also repents think about it if u are able to sin but refus to repeant what differens does that make you from the devil another creation that refused to repeant and will also face de punishment of hell

[@lonewarrior5827]

because jews and christian disrespect the prophets altered the scripture .. not the words of the Creator ,, .... the Creator will never do... also tell us that what Jews think of the prophet Esa and what you make of him ... while you both read the same bible ..

[@fawzifadhel1173]

Islam believe in all 4 holy book I mean the original … not New Testament

[@h.r.7804]

Please read: Sahih Muslim, Hadithnumber 5203/ 53

[@phrama22]

my first impression when i knew that David was such a criminal killer was to vomiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Mahad921]

When you state that God sealed theìr hearts you are not understanding that the Quran is talking about after the messengers came to them and warned them and they were still insolent and arrogant and refused to believe

[@TohouBohou]

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[@experiencemystique4982]

May I ask something...we, humans, imperfect, and seeing around how we "honor and respect God"...fill with iniquités and ignorance...we dare to accuse, corromp, opinionatre....my goodness...is because we (?) are better? Superior ? Smarts?...yeah childish move ô perfect perfection, c'mon

[@BenM61]

The people of Noah, Hood, Salih, Shuaib, and Lot and pharaoh were all warned but they persisted in their follies. You claim all those were prevented from practicing their free will. Sure they had free will but when the judgment of God came they whimpered and succumbed to their fate. They were warned but did not take heed. The lives they had were not their but God’s. He calls them back when he chooses. 54:1 The Last Hour draws near an 54:2 Yet, when they see a sign they [who deny the truth] turn their backs and say, "The same old sorcery!" 54:3 Yet, their own whimsevery matter when they see a sign they [who has its appointed tim 54:4 there deny the truth] turn their backs has come to them many a tiding and say, The same old sorcery! wherein there are warnings 54:5 profound in wisdom, but all warnings have been of no avail 54:6 so ignore them. On the Day when the Crier will call out about a horrible event 54:7 with downcast eyes they shall come out of their graves, as if they were locusts milling abou 54:8 hastening towards the Crier. Those who deny the truth will cry, This is such a hard day 54:9 The people of Noah denied [the truth] before them. They belied Our messenger saying, He is mad! He was rebuffed 54:10 so he cried out to his Lord, saying, I am overcome, so help me 54:11 So We opened the gates of the sky with water pouring down in torrents 54:12 and We caused the earth to burst with gushing springs: so that the waters met for a purpose which had been decreed 54:13 We bore him on an [ark] which, made of planks and nails 54:14 floated on under Our eyes: a vindication of him who had been rejected 54:15 We have left this as a sign: but will anyone take heed 54:16 How terrible then was My punishment and My warning 54:17 We have made it easy to learn lessons from the Quran. Is there anyone who would receive admonition 54:18 The people of Ad too rejected the truth. How terrible was My punishment and My warning 54:19 We sent a raging wind against them on a day of continuous calamity 54:20 It swept people away as if they were trunks of uprooted palm trees 54:21 How [dreadful] was My punishment and My warning 54:22 We have made it easy to learn lessons from the Quran: is there anyone who would receive admonition 54:23 The tribe of Thamud also rejected Our warnings 54:24 they said, Are we to follow a man from amongst ourselves? We would surely then fall into error and madness 54:25 Has the [Divine] message been revealed to him alone of all of us? No, he is a boastful liar 54:26 [We said to him] Tomorrow they shall know who is the boastful liar 54:27 for We are [going to] send the she-camel as a trial for them, so watch them and be patient 54:28 And tell them that the water [of the well] is to be divided between them, and that each one should drink in turn 54:29 But they called their companion who took a sword and hamstrung her 54:30 How [terrible] were My punishment and My warnings 54:31 Then We sent a single blast against them and they became like dry stubble which has been trampled upon 54:32 Indeed, We have made the Quran easy to learn lessons from. Is there anyone who would receive admonition 54:33 The people of Lot rejected Our warnings 54:34 We sent a sandstorm against them which destroyed them all, except the family of Lot, whom We saved at the break of dawn 54:35 as a blessing from Us: this is how We reward the thankful 54:36 Lot warned them of Our punishment, but they disputed the warning 54:37 they even wanted to seduce his guestsbut We blinded them, and said, Taste My punishment now that you have scorned My warnings 54:38 and early in the morning the punishment decreed overtook the 54:39 Taste My punishment now that you have scorned My warnings 54:40 We have made it easy indeed to learn lessons from the Quran. Is there anyone who would receive admonition 54:41 Surely warners came to the people of Pharaoh 54:42 They, too, rejected all Our signs. So We seized them with the seizure of One Mighty, Omnipotent 54:43 Are your people who deny the truth better than those? Or have you been given immunity in the Scriptures 54:44 Or do they say, We are a united group, and we are bound to prevail 54:45 The hosts shall soon be routed and they shall be put to flight 54:46 Indeed, the Hour of Doom is their appointed time, and the Last Hour will be the most severe, and the most bitter 54:47 The evildoers are indeed sunk in error and folly.

[@BenM61]

In Arabic to say someone’s hands are tied up means they are thrifty and miserly. It is not literal. This is the case in 5:64 and 17:29 where the exact word and meaning are used. Also, God in the Quran says the Jews say and he does not say the Jews in their books wrote this or that. Not everything the Jews did or said is written in their books. Why is that hard to understand. Come to think of it the authors of the Hebrew Bible make the Jews out to be great and with no faults or transgressions. They make it sound like bad things happen out of nowhere as if God wants to punish them for no reason whatsoever. It is God’s fault not theirs. See Psalm 44 to see for yourself. (5:64) The Jews say: 'The Hand of Allah is fettered. 92 It is their own hands which are fettered, 93 and they stand cursed for the evil they have uttered. 94 No! His Hands are outspread; He spends as He wills. Surely the message that has been revealed to you from your Lord has increased many of them in their in-surgence and unbelief,95 and so We have cast enmity and spite among them until the Day of Resurrection. And as often as they kindle the fire of war, Allah extinguishes it; and they go about trying to spread mischief on earth, whereas Allah does not love those who spread mischief. 92. To say that someone's hands are tied, in Arabic usage, is to say that he is niggardly, that something prevents him from being generous and bountiful. Thus the Jewish observation does not mean that God's Hand is literally tied but that He is niggardly and miserly. For centuries the Jews had lived in humiliation and misery. Their past greatness had become legend, seemingly too remote ever to be restored, and so they would blasphemously lament that God had become a miser and that as the door to His treasury was now permanently locked, that He had nothing to offer them except suffering and calamity. This attitude, however, is not confined to the Jews. When confronted with trials and tribulations foolish people of other nations, too, are prone to utter such blasphemies rather than turn to God with humble prayer and supplication. 93. They accused God of the miserliness from which they themselves had suffered and had become notorious for. 17:26 Give to your relatives their due, and also to the needy and the wayfarer. Yet do not spend extravagantly 17:27 spendthrifts are the brothers of Satan, and Satan is ever ungrateful to his Lor 17:28 but if, while waiting for your Lords bounty which you are expecting, you turn them down, then at least speak to them kindly 17:29 Be neither *miserly* nor so open-handed that you suffer reproach and become destitute 17:30 Your Lord gives abundantly to whom He will and sparingly to whom He pleases. He is informed and observant about His servants. وَقَالَتِ ٱلۡیَهُودُ یَدُ ٱللَّهِ *مَغۡلُولَةٌۚ* غُلَّتۡ أَیۡدِیهِمۡ وَلُعِنُوا۟ بِمَا قَالُوا۟ۘ بَلۡ یَدَاهُ مَبۡسُوطَتَانِ یُنفِقُ كَیۡفَ یَشَاۤءُۚ وَلَیَزِیدَنَّ كَثِیرࣰا مِّنۡهُم مَّاۤ أُنزِلَ إِلَیۡكَ مِن رَّبِّكَ طُغۡیَـٰنࣰا وَكُفۡرࣰاۚ وَأَلۡقَیۡنَا بَیۡنَهُمُ ٱلۡعَدَ ٰوَةَ وَٱلۡبَغۡضَاۤءَ إِلَىٰ یَوۡمِ ٱلۡقِیَـٰمَةِۚ كُلَّمَاۤ أَوۡقَدُوا۟ نَارࣰا لِّلۡحَرۡبِ أَطۡفَأَهَا ٱللَّهُۚ وَیَسۡعَوۡنَ فِی ٱلۡأَرۡضِ فَسَادࣰاۚ وَٱللَّهُ لَا یُحِبُّ ٱلۡمُفۡسِدِینَ Quran 5:64 وَلَا تَجۡعَلۡ یَدَكَ *مَغۡلُولَةً* إِلَىٰ عُنُقِكَ وَلَا تَبۡسُطۡهَا كُلَّ ٱلۡبَسۡطِ فَتَقۡعُدَ مَلُومࣰا مَّحۡسُورًا Quran 17:29 The same exact word is used.

[@shihabshihabi375]

When Islam agrees with ealier scriptures it is copying while if it disagrees with ealier scriptures it does not come from God. Interesting!

[@dorandacolbert5973]

The Quran is commenting on the Jews story that was orally passed down until it was written down.This is their recording of their start with the true G-D. The Jews lived the story. The Muslims were not there.

[@fadiljelin7297]

Actually none of them were there! Think about what you said here?

[@dorandacolbert5973]

@@fadiljelin7297 Of course the present-day Jews were not there, but their ancestors were. And their story was passed down orally and then written. Islam didn't arrive for another 3000 years or more. Is that more clear?

[@shihabshihabi375]

@@dorandacolbert5973 Sure some jews lived their stories but they were written thousands of years later by other jews who did not live the stories.

[@dorandacolbert5973]

@@shihabshihabi375 The traditions were passed orally first, just like all information before writing. But the people who lived the story and the ones who eventually wrote the story were connected.