Sharuum vs Seizan vs Gishath vs Feldon EDH / CMDR game play for Magic: The Gathering

[@Babytussler]

Friends are just opponents you haven't eliminated yet lol

[@BrunoCasagrandaNeves]

Among many neat things about your videos, I would like to praise your narrative talent and effort. You give us the option to just listen and keep doing our chores. Thanks, man.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Thank you for the kind words! I'm glad you enjoy the videos =)

[@RedRingStudios]

Hi, Uncle Screw Combo here. The fact that there were two Worst Fears played this game and neither targeted Mike was the true mistake that could've saved this game. Everyone did a good job of keeping him down for the most part until that point, but if someone had taken his turn, the Metamorph could have copied something else, and he wouldn't have been able to combo. This is made more apparent by the fact that he tutored multiple times, and no one viewed that in and of itself as a threat. It's not about combo existing, it's that the correct steps weren't taken to stop it, which is the biggest pro-combo argument I hear all the time ("just play better lol"). Oh, well. The mistakes in this game were bigger than Trevor's biceps. :P

[@thelocustgod9098]

I love combos, I’m just disappointed that Sean promised he’d stop the combo then immediately broke the promise.

[@Mercenary0712]

Never trust the combo player. Source, am a combo player.

[@tgseamus]

I kinda figured I’d have more time.

[@adams333]

Why is Mike allowed to play Combo and not me ?

[@MTGMuddstah]

Because he isn't Evil Adam.

[@cobtyrannon2479]

Free Adam!

[@dustinbrown4759]

I like the alt art fork

[@MTGMuddstah]

Me too!

[@tgseamus]

It’s a Spork!

[@Adrianovaz2007]

First thing I noticed, very funny

[@Thomeyis]

Using a Path to remove Crypt Ghast (saving 1 life for Trevor) and not holding it for the Sharuum combo was probably not the best play

[@MTGMuddstah]

I'm pretty sure Trevor's line of thought was that since he was losing his next turn, he really didn't want to have Matt exile his own creature with the Path. That, and in my experience, whenever someone takes your next turn, they will almost always tap you out before passing.

[@Thomeyis]

Yeah, true. I'd have probably at least pointed at the Metamorph in the graveyard and said something to the tune of "Do what you will but leave a Plains untapped when you're done"

[@MTGMuddstah]

True, conversations could have been had. I think Matt was actually pretty fair to Trevor, all things considered. He could have hit the Mirari's Wake instead of the Boots with the Thrashing.

[@exaroc571]

havent seen this combo yet, pretty cool. thanks for the new commander showings! its always fun to learn new cards and see how the decks would play out.

[@raimundkeller6115]

the best thing about your channel is that you see decks in action, that you normally wouldnt. love your content man

[@jeanventura5366]

Very, very good game. Really enjoyed it. Your summary says it all: more interaction provides better games and more interesting plays (in my opinion). Agree on Sean getting greedy and on top of that not stealing the turn from the right player (note that Matt did the same mistake). But 20/20 and all that. Still, great match. Keep up the superb content! #FreeEvilAdam

[@MTGMuddstah]

Evil Adam will be back next Monday.

[@jeanventura5366]

MTG Muddstah Woot, woot! Awesome, thanks for that! Hope it's very staxy and you don't loose too many subscribers :P

[@ms.sysbit5511]

Nice to see interesting decks piloted. The fact Seizan has you draw extra cards last though makes it not so great imo as the rest can use your free Night’s Whisper and remove him before you ever get the chance.

[@Nerazzurri87]

I haven't seen many of your videos, I'm fairly new to your channel (love it!). Is it possible to include the total time played at the end of the match?

[@MTGMuddstah]

I'll see about adding it in the description if enough people are interested.

[@BrunoCasagrandaNeves]

1+

[@AnonYmous-mc5zx]

This game was the best procombo game Ive seen in ages. Ultimately, they teach you not to make plays just because you can. You cant really make impulsive, cutesie decisions, which is I think the main reason people dont like combos.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Thank you! I like to think of these games as learning experiences more than just an example of how quickly a deck can win.

[@mrsilverbutton7786]

Loved the game, loved the greed, loved the win! It shows the players what happens when you don't respect unopposed tutors and a clear threat. Keep up the great work!

[@pkphantom]

Sean made me so happy, playing so much copy magic in one deck. I've always said that copy magic offers so much versatility to red that it's crazy not to use at least a LITTLE, but everybody dismisses me because I don't live for competitive magic 😤

[@diegocatano8140]

Great game! Worst Fears is such a fun card!

[@christophert.9237]

Always good to see other Sharuum EDH decks, such a strong combo commander and commander in general. I have a sharuum deck thats relies on disciple of the vault, blasting station or bitter ordeal for the win and if I can not getting the combo off I can cheat in magister sphinx or a blightsteel steel colossus. Even secured wins with karn by turning darksteel forge into a creature and swinging in for game.

[@matthugenberg8869]

What makes me sad isn't the fact that a combo won. The real question is, why didn't the worst fears target the combo player? Like, why? That is what makes me mad. Always, ALWAYS take the combo players turn unless a player before them in turn order can kill you or the combo player. It either, 1, slows the combo player down if there combo only hits opponents, or 2, let's you win the game if the combo involves targeting a player. So that's what makes me sad.

[@N1ghthavvk]

Either of the two Worst Fears should've targeted the Sharuum deck and / or the Path to Exile should've been kept to deal with it. Since a clone was already in the graveyard it should have been very intimidating for any of the other players. However that didn't happen, though I'm sure they'll deal with it better next time.

[@mrbreeze3954]

worst fears and dinosaur commanders... glorious episode as always

[@ericks131]

I tried making a derpy Esper deck with Sydri a month or two ago and everyone lost their minds and hated me out of games when they realized it was a lifegain deck, so that's why I converted it to Sharuum. The deck has an on-camera win now though, so I kinda wanna take it apart and convert it to something else because Esper is still new to me. Any recommendations? I don't think I have the budget to do a proper WUB zombie tribal.

[@MTGMuddstah]

You should build some kind of aggro deck. Maybe in Bant..... maybe with Jenara...

[@hyperluke1034]

Erati is fun

[@cyricnosferat227]

I luv Merieke Control.

[@ironmanbrendon1992]

Watching Trevor draw cards is like watching someone pump iron, look at those biceps! #nohomo

[@Mercenary0712]

It's Trevor, #allofthehomo

[@K3rm1tFr0g]

You should tell Trevor and Matt that Regal Behemoth got updated to be a Dino and can therefore be hit with Gishath. It was from conspiracy one so most people assume its up to date. But it does a great job at ramping mana and giving card draw.

[@lehandroz]

Great video as always! This episode reminds me why I have a Torpor Orb in my EDH deck xD

[@adams333]

I personally play Faerie Macabre, seeing the disappointment of your opponent trying to combo out while you are tapped out is priceless.

[@carljohnson5121]

I wanted the Feldon deck to win this time. It looks fun

[@Chaos0310]

Worst fears was too good to pass up apparently.

[@DPedro3]

I just love Sharuum's art. She's so elegant and majestic

[@michaelweddell2830]

Great video! I love Monday cause of these videos!

[@nanolathesteel]

Sharuum is love, Sharuum is life!

[@christophert.9237]

Sharuum is love, Sharuum is life! I agree

[@brandoncreek5709]

Gotta love Gishath. My favorite commander to this day, even though she can be pretty hit-or-miss sometimes. It's super satisfying to pull off perfectly.

[@classicsidepart1477]

Man....that Gishath swing was nice!!! Getting more than 20 power on the board seems gross for any opponent :-) Personally,I think combos are a legit part of our loved format...and knowing that the other player(s) might go off gives a rather exiting feel to the games.... Great game! But we don't expect anything else from you ;-)

[@cheifgc9387]

combo's are literally fine when you keep up removal or counters. Makes for more interesting games.

[@HarryBuddhaPalm]

Literally?

[@r.a.w.780]

I didn't mind the combo finish but it was a boring combo to finish with haha. Finally have some time watching your video's again. On to the next :)

[@vb_blokeboi7251]

Sharuum is my favourite EDH deck and I've put so much time, love and money into it. Combo or not, I'm so glad it won hahahaha

[@camzombies]

loved the She's All That comparison

[@Rodedrengen]

When did you up the game to two times a week? This is why i love your gameplays. Lots of good commentary and now with more gameplay

[@MTGMuddstah]

I'm not sure. I started doing two a week back in March of last year and just kind of transitioned into it.

[@Cabbrickk]

I cast an Ignite Memories for Storm count 20 earlier playing a $20 Melek Izzet Paragon deck. :D Never stormed properly before so I'm happy xD

[@aviidea3330]

Love seeing new commanders!!!! More Felton plz :)

[@YouWillNeverKnowMan]

I'm not sure about that last combo. State-based actions (as the "legend rule") are checked whenever a player would gain priority. If Metamorph comes back as a copy of Sharuum, the ETB ability triggers, the active player has to declare a target, then the ability goes on the stack and ONLY THEN the active player gets priority and one of the two legends go to the bin, so the combo does not go off. Are there any other cards on the battlefield that I am missing and actually make this work?

[@MTGMuddstah]

So this was the breakdown I found that best explained how the combo works: Start with Sharuum and Disciple in play. 1. Cast Sculpting Steel. 2. As it enters, it becomes a copy of Sharuum, and you're forced to put one of the two legendary Sharuums into the graveyard as a SBA. Which one you choose doesn't matter. 3. The ETB trigger of the Sculpting Steel Sharuum is put on the stack, targeting whichever of the two (the original Sharuum or the Sculpting Steel) is in the graveyard. 4. At the same time, Disciple triggers. You can order the ETB and Disciple trigger however you please. 5. When the ETB trigger resolves, go to #2 This works because one of the Sharuums dies as a SBA, which happens before the target of the ETB trigger is chosen. Note that Sculpting Steel can be replaced by Phyrexian Metamorph, and Disciple can be replaced by a number of similar creatures, like Blood Artist. You could also start with Disciple in play, Sharuum in the command zone (assuming EDH) or hand, and Sculpting Steel in the graveyard, getting the second artifact off the original Sharuum's ETB trigger.

[@benrichardson5662]

Trevor's biceps make it look like he's flexing for the camera even when he's not doing much of anything.

[@LaserfaceJones]

I ran Seizan in my Shadowborn Apostle/Shirei deck for a minute, but ran out of room for him when Rakazeth came out.

[@azedfvc]

I just watched the behind the scene of the CommandZone YT channel and I became curious about how much time it takes to reduces a game to 10min. How much time do you pass editing this great content ? Have you some sort of macro/automation to speed up the process ?

[@MTGMuddstah]

I think it takes me about roughly between 6 - 8 hours depending on the game. I'm self-taught in terms of video editing, so a lot of what I do is trial and error. Things have been speeding up though as I get more into a rhythm with things though.

[@ThreatLevel9]

Ah, my favorite spirit: Seizan, Sex Offender.

[@The1TrueCRACKER]

You know when the video is right at 10 or so a combo was going to go off lol

[@UltimateDrDoom]

Everything isn't Islands in this one. I am disappoint. I agree about the turn taking though.

[@m.g.i2480]

Trevor nice Bizeps!

[@ghr1990]

Can someone explain the combo to me?

[@MTGMuddstah]

Basically it boils down to: 1. Sharuum brings artifacts back on entering. 2. Mike has Metamorph enter as Sharuum, which means he gets a trigger. 3. Mike has to resolve the Legendary rule prior to anything else. So he lets the real Sharuum die. 4. Mike then puts his Metamorph'd copy of Sharuum's etb on the stack to bring back Sharuum. 5. Mike then brings back Sharuum and has to resolve the Legendary rule once more. 6. He does this forever, or until he chooses a different target. This alone isn't enough to do anything, but with the Disciple of the Vault out, he can deal one point of damage each cycle of Sharuum / Metamorph to kill all of his opponents.

[@ghr1990]

Thanks, the part I had a hard time with was when the legendary rule applies in regards to etb abilities going off.

[@MrInfernoblade10]

Ryan Davidson lol Trogdor!!!!!!

[@Cascade_Failure]

Screw combo. They create an atmosphere where if other people want to compete against it, your only option is to play control, or try and play a faster combo which only makes that atmosphere worse.

[@MTGMuddstah]

I disagree with combo resulting in people only being able to beat it by also playing combo. Often times denying said combo can shut out a whole deck. Plus, if you're already not playing combo, you should be able to afford a few more responsive spells in your list that would otherwise dedicated to those combo cards.

[@Cascade_Failure]

You may be right, but I am sadly just recounting what has happened at my local gaming store. Over the last few months during several seasons of a casual commander league all the fun and interesting commanders have vanished as commanders like Arcum Daggson, Kefnet (two of them), Zur, and other blue combo claim the top 10 spots without fail leading to other people around me either stop showing up knowing they can't compete, or start playing combo of their own.

[@123nazgu]

If people really don't like combo's and insist on making a big point of it, I can only ask that they have answers to said combos.

[@worldthroughabucket]

Combo's are perfectly fine if you're playing a more competitive version of EDH. For people who just build casual fun decks, combo's are incredibly lame as they just end the game on the spot.

[@123nazgu]

To an extent. It's one thing if you're playing against hyper tuned dedicated combos that can goldfish consistent turn 2s and the like. However, if you are playing against combo decks like the Sharuum deck which, on average, go off on turn 5 - 7 fighting against them is more a matter of deck construction in my mind, having answers is alpha omega in any other format, and Commander shouldn't be any different.

[@worldthroughabucket]

I definitely don't disagree with you that having answers should be a requisite for pretty much any deck in most formats, but I still believe that combo's have no place in any casual setting. Even in this game two players had to have an answer in hand the entire time and the moment one of them didn't/couldn't the Sharuum deck just won. The power levels between those decks were very uneven imo and it was an unfun way to end the game.

[@123nazgu]

I suppose we're just gonna have to agree to disagree.

[@CeltiesSin]

so, counterpoint; looking at every decklist in the game, they had plenty of ways to "answer said combo." but unless you build a deck that is just 30 cards of "answers," the odds of you having your answer in your hand when they combo off is rather slim. especially with 2 other opponents. the combo player literally just has to sit there until "oh they used their path on something good? my turn i win" plus you say having answers is the way to play other formats, yet in other formats you have 1 person to control; not 3.

[@roo6475]

Sharuum + Deadeye Navigator + Mindslaver with Mana Open. :P

[@brianokafor9748]

#ComboMike

[@dave7592]

Combos are fine to me and they can be really interesting. This deck wasn't even that oppressive honestly it wasn't going to go off till turn 7. They all had answers when Sharuum tutored twice they should have known how to respond and take the turns from Sharuum.

[@matthewstanfield3358]

Was anyone else triggered by the fact that mike played an evolving wilds on turn 1 and waited to crack it instead of just searching while others played? #EDHetiquette

[@MTGMuddstah]

I mean, someone might have played and Urborg and he might have had a Vamp Tutor in hand..... hypothetically speaking.

[@DiecksEverywhere]

I'm pretty sure Matt's combo doesn't work. When the copy of Sharuum enters the battlefield, the real Sharuum can't be targeted with the trigger, as the legendary rule that kills it applies after the trigger is put on the stack.

[@MTGMuddstah]

The combo works. There are a few threads around that can go into detail about it better than I ever could hope to, but it all checks out.

[@DiecksEverywhere]

Huh, turns out whatever I read first was wrong, haha. Second time I learn something new here... I guess there's a reason the format was started by judges!

[@matiasrochaix2234]

It wasnt a good idea to take the gishath turn, I would have taken sharuum's turn. Specially after she tutored.

[@09Dragonite]

Why did Sean not take Mike's turn when he copied Worst Fears? Everyone knows that if you're playing with a combo player and you have access to their win condition that you take it and use it against everyone else ._.

[@Angreesloth]

Trevor looks fuckin ripped.

[@strahlungsopfer]

repeat after me: O - RAZ - CA! Next time you'll get it right :D

[@MTGMuddstah]

NEVER!

[@strahlungsopfer]

MTG Muddstah

[@Krajcik1964]

Lies. Everyone knows the best card in the game is a Swamp.

[@AidanWR]

"Primal Hunter"

[@wizardsmix7961]

Or-az-kuh not Or-zuh-kuh

[@CRIMS0N_KING]

Not a dan of the end. I find combos like that really take away from the effort of the other players and generally negates the diplomacy aspect that I enjoy so much about EDH. To each their own but I'd feel bad for other people to win that way.

[@icyphilippe]

I like combos..... That being said, i play sharuum 😂

[@VegasJ-5150]

Boooo, another combo finish. Maybe next time will get a good game.

[@MTGMuddstah]

I think it was a good game regardless of how it ended.

[@Optimator7]

orAZca

[@qwoijzacxoi]

names life totals cover commander faces! bad!!

[@jonram6009]

124th

[@MirridonOnslaught]

You have the dankest edh videos

[@om3n430]

Wish I had two more hands, so I could give the combo player four thumbs down!

[@specialkender]

Man, I am ok with combos but let it at least be a decent one.. this is a two card combo, no difficulty in pulling it of, no nothing. The rest of the game was fine, but could you try to pick games that don’t end in a boring unoriginal 2 card combo? Or at least put a spoiler in the title?

[@MTGMuddstah]

Technically, it was three cards because Disciple had to be there but that's just me be picky jerk (haha!). Not every game is going to be amazing, but my concern with putting a spoiler in the title is that the people who don't mind whether a game is combo or not, will inadvertently have the ending spoiled. It will alter how they think about things and instead of just enjoying the game, they'll watch for the decks that they think will be combo.

[@specialkender]

Well say it's 2 card combo for the infinite etb + 1 of whichever card that makes you win =P. Anyway that's true, but to be honest when there is an Azami/Sharuum/Arcum combo deck in the same table of 3 non competitive non combo decks you already know who is going to win and how.. I mean playing with combo decks is ok, but i think then it would be more enjoyable in a match with 3 other equally combo decks. Or even better 2 combo and 2 controls?

[@MTGMuddstah]

I can see what you mean, but I'm not in the habit of telling people what I think they should play. I want people to play decks they enjoy so that it comes through in the video. I think the issue was that no one properly assessed how threatening Mike was with the Metamorph in his yard. There were some pretty great spells cast the turn prior, but he was totally not the target for any of them. Things would have been very different if Matt had taken Mike's turn, for instance.

[@specialkender]

Well true, anyway i'm a fan of your videos generally, you do a really good work. If i can give you a suggestion that I definetly would enjoy would be to have a counter of the number of cards in each hand. This would help both following the game and to give a clear indication in a glance of which state is a player in. Keep up the good work!

[@MTGMuddstah]

Hmm, that's an interesting idea! I'll see if it's something I can work in.