Shatterpoint Beginners Guide: Episode Two - Game Setup & Terrain

[@MrBobanyon]

I'm just looking forward to playing!!!

[@toddfain6927]

I am liking the idea of different ways of moving or scaling up terrain

[@andruen]

Thanks for the video! Just some thoughts: For tournament play, organizers could set up the terrain with several missions in mind in such a way that when objectives are placed they're in good spots. Missions can also be pre-set for the tournament rounds to make terrain lay outs easier to plan. Then with priority roll off the winner just gets to pick a side.

[@davidlein2438]

There are games that use alternating setup for terrain. It can add a bit of tactical decision making into the game when your board sides are set up. As they currently stand in the rulebook, they don't have any of that. So I don't see any reason to not have a board set up first then put the objectives out afterwards. Especially since they have to go on the highest level. However, one thing from MCP is that when you measure for objectives and terrain is on the board, it can get finicky when terrain is in the way. So Shatterpoint could be just trying to get you to have the objectives first so that the tokens are in the right spot.

[@GHOSTDOG58]

Please keep these up! They are great!

[@thedisgruntledorc]

I think you're right that practice will generally be that the table is set up, but I do like the idea of being able to place the scenery to make sure the elevation is used to it's fullest extent when there are more mission packs available down the line.

[@Mari0s01]

Rules are cool and I thing they will make quite interesting interactions with the play. I want to see how they work apart from ladders and walkways, on a docking bay with landed ships for example, but these things will come in play in the future I guess. Keep up the good work on videos.

[@lorcankelly8871]

I actually like the terrain rules. I find it quite refreshing. Adds a sense of randomness to the game.

[@darrenmcnally82]

My 3d printer is already working hard on building me some awesome new terrain , Thanks for the video very useful

[@Mobius01]

I will give the official terrain rules a shot. But I imagine I'll eventually just set up the terrain first because it seems easier.

[@FreeWill-84]

I can see some tourneys pre-setting tables for speed of play, but the core rules way seems like an interesting way to play if you aren't in a rush or worried about your partner trying to meta play.

[@basicallynochannel590]

I think the terrain rules are really nice and concise. And terrain seems nice and important. I will definitely do it as intended in the rules because it sounds like it will simplefy the objective token placement

[@justinburns1286]

Great video, thx for help! I think the terrain rules are helpful because I don’t have to worry about putting measurement tools around terrain to place the tokens.

[@Dangerman64]

These terrain rules are interesting. I like the verticality of this system. These rules are different enough to make Shatterpoint unique.

[@acejustice1]

Some of the boards from 3D printed terrain are going to look sick!

[@matthewdjcollins]

I like the rules of placing objectives and then the terrain. If anything just to make life easier to get them out and I like moving to the highest point so everyone can see them and make you have to jump and things, adding in some depth to a game.

[@Catchi1989]

So glad you're doing these videos, breaking down the game piece by piece. It's much appreciated and building up the hype! I'm excited for the terrain use, and thinking it could be neat to deploy after the objectives are placed.. I'm not totally sure how placing the terrain works, if just one player plops it down or what.. But I think it would be neat if each player could take a turn in placing terrain to possibly influence which objectives are raised or left at ground level.. Looking forward to watching you play and cover the game.

[@MrMetallicO]

These intro vids have been awesome Bro. Thanks for doing them.

[@willsta1881]

The terrain rules are super interesting. Ill have to try both to see!

[@For_the_empire]

Thanks for all the videos. They are really helpful. You are right that the terrain will be already setup for tournament for the interest of time. And I think for casual play it should be placed prior to mission card is known.

[@Mahut21]

The terrain rule for now works. I am sure at some point there will be some ticking here and there. May the force be with you

[@leonardoscardicchio6091]

Love this video. Thanks for showing us this game in parts

[@robynzaragoza6923]

Another great video its really helping me understand the rules. Regarding the terrain this will be my first tabletop skirmish game so I don't have that much experience but placing the terrain after makes sense as you can tailor the map to the objective rather than the terrain to be useless if its nowhere near the objective.

[@Mahuikanz]

Will be great to see how terrain density and height plays out in game, very exciting.

[@NeverVT]

I don't have a ton of experience with terrain yet so I'm not sure how the change in order will effect things but I like the idea of more verticality

[@rstollenwerk]

I'm really liking these terrain rules! It's really making me wish MCP had more verticality. As far as placing terrain after the mission selection, this is a good thing because it can allow for more cinematic experiences

[@Stappinfection]

I feel like the set up is a good way to tell where the objectives are, certainly if they change the locations with expansions so they aren't on the edge of the building. The rules do state that the want alot of terrain so I see it as just an easy way of focusing on the objectives.

[@emilyandrews3667]

these terrain rules are really unique compared to other games I've tried, but I think it could be a cool change that brings something new to the mix

[@chrishoule719]

I like the terrain rules as written, it's something different from other games

[@Minisovermoney]

I definitely gonna try to deploy the terrain after the, but I think I mostly setup before hand, my friend I play games with often comes late in the night to play and our kids are up early, so we need to be efficient 🙈

[@danbokong1]

The terrain inclusion in the set, along with rules that make it appear more than just LOS blockers, make me very excited.

[@davidcameron7965]

Tier list of terrain elevations please 🥁

[@timfoulds3439]

I play a lot at home using a 3x6 table. I’d probably end up setting terrain over a slightly larger table space, then positioning the 3x3 square to play on after that.

[@mattnorwood6546]

Wicked video. Looking forward to this game. I think (like most people) I’d set up terrain first. Unless at an event. Keep up the good work 👌🏻

[@seejaypee]

Really can't see that anyone who wants to play multiple games in an evening is going to set up the board in the "officially suggested" way. It's an interesting idea and could probably add another level of strategy mini-game to the game but it is WILDLY inefficient from where I stand. Great video as always! Getting me chuffed for the release! 🎉

[@sheppardsflock]

Loving the effort you've put into these videos. Keep up the good work. 👍

[@biglew031]

We’ll see about the new terrain rules. Once it’s out it may make more sense. I’m ready to try it though!

[@jimforest4811]

I like it depends on what terrain you have but could potentially block off a point but then it could happen to you

[@ObiSeanKenobi]

I do not initially hate these terrain rules but I do not have much experience with these types of games so I guess I will try it and see.

[@jamesong855]

I think the terrain rules seems complicated with the order of placing terrain. It may add more time taken for terrain placement but it does give players more control.

[@Novawyrm]

I have a feeling that the Terrain set up after is really only going to effect the very first game you play. After that you (player) is going to know where the terrain is going to go. It will be interesting to see what happens if a piece of terrain "spawns" under one of your placed characters. I haven't played a war game in a long time (never with first party terrain) So it will be interesting to see how the game uses the real terrain and not the cardboard boxes and upside down cups we used 30 years ago in college.

[@davidlein2438]

Well you don't deploy your characters before terrain is on the board. You just choose the mission, set up objective tokens, then set up terrain. After terrain is set up is when you deploy your squads.

[@InTheRedShirt]

I know that competitive Warhammer usually has player placed terrain, but in the interest of expediency, I very much prefer to have battlefields setup ahead of time. So I imagine that's how I and friends will be handling terrain for Shatterpoint.

[@TronsTableTop]

It certainly is interesting as you might be able to tailor the terrain to your own advantage?

[@jonvicary5819]

Very insightful again. I'd expect comps to have tables already set at this early stage. But if you have to place terrain I can certainly see tactical placement become a important part of turn 0

[@davidpetermannion9633]

I dont think it would make much of a difference if the terrain is setup first or last but I guess playing a few games will determine if it does. Looking forward to picking some of it up wonder if the any mission cards in the terrain packs.

[@Mine-md8oz]

Great video!

[@michaelwilson4907]

I'm guessing that because terrain affects LOS so much they wanted you to be tactical with the placement. But really ill probably do a pre-set board and if my buddy isn't happy he can change it or pick the starting edge.

[@mikemisulich7050]

I think terrain should be set first then objectives. Tournaments for sure will pre set terrain to save time.

[@jasonedunham]

I imagine in a tournament situation all the terrain will be preset. However I think that players will have the ability to slightly shift the terrain however much they would need to make sure that the objective points don't overlap the edges once it gets elevated to the highest point.

[@samh62695]

I like that I can place a objective at the top of a tower and make this the focus point. Could lead to some fun high ground memes

[@nittneylion84]

I have been enjoying your series. As for how I will set up tokens before or after terrain, I will follow the rules for now and see how it goes. I see the pros and cons for what you are getting at tho.

[@rudyweirich2815]

Haveing the terrain set up after the objectives have been set is an interesting idea. Im not sure how it will actually play in practice but Im excited to find out.

[@strongarm22]

I don’t mind the objective before terrain. Maybe it’s being done to make placing the objection tokens a little easier since they need to be spaced out a specific way.

[@H0ld0ut]

I agree with you, Rich. Timing seems a little weird on setting up the terrain

[@scottlatham1654]

The terrain rules I agree seem a bit funky at first view but will need to see how it eventually plays

[@runningstitch21]

I think the terrain setup rules seem a bit backwards, and agree that they'll probably be switched, order-wise, with objective placement at many shops.

[@dwarrenmsp]

I rather like that terrain is placed after the points are marked. Makes measuring thier placement easier and then you can just place the terrain. You could even do player 2 places the first piece of terrain and then player one and back and fourth. Could do some interesting stuff there if you know you've got characters with lots of jumps and your opponent doens't you could try to place more objectives on higher elevations. All in all this is shaping up to be fun it seems and a little simpler than MCP. I'm most interested in some examples with LOS and cover as that's always my biggest sticking point with AMG skirmish games.

[@TeamStaley80]

Generally I'll always try out the terrain rules for games when I first start playing, but eventually it usually ends up being whoever's hosting the game sets up to get us into the game faster.

[@glynnseymour7587]

Feeling on the terrain rules is a wait and see approach after 5-10 games.

[@glynnseymour7587]

Will definitely use the terrain rules as written.

[@roise_fanboy]

seems like an oversight that none of the bases will fit on some of the walkways on the core set terrain pieces. Even in the example shown the base is clearly overhanging slightly.

[@Th3Toast3r]

I think i'd like the terrain pre setup personally but i'm down to try it

[@ryanseiffert9969]

The terrain rules are definitely different from any other game I've played before. It will take some getting use to, but I think it's a fun way to mix things up and have something new!

[@iainsmith9759]

It seems backwards for set up, you should set up the board. Then the first player picks the side they want to play from and then add objectives

[@TimCz]

I've got loads of legion terrain. I hope I'll be able to convert it to work!!!! 😅

[@Peter-rb8ql]

I can’t see many events using the rules as written. Deploying terrain prior to players arriving at the table seems most sensible. I hope the provide some “typical” guidance for the volume of terrain like they do for MCP.

[@frog475]

Enjoying these videos. They are really useful. Seems a bit odd to me regarding the terrain rules. I think I’ll be setting up terrain first then just placing the tokens.

[@joshuagoss6896]

Great video! I was just wondering if anyone knew how long the movement tools are. I'm 3d printing some terrain and just wondering if I got the size right.

[@mattprice4694]

I think casual games will be fine to follow the rules as they are, but you are right, tournaments will be pre-setup.

[@Ignatiusofantioch87]

I personally like the terrain rules. It’s a lot more intuitive than Legion atm

[@zackduncan5219]

I believe the terrain rules are the same for MCP and I don't think I've ever played a game where the terrain wasn't on the board first. Especially for tournaments, players don't have the time to set up the entire board. I think terrain will be placed first thing in most games. I also don't like the overhang rule. If it fits it sits imo

[@tombrown6152]

this game looks amazing. I like the terrain rules for playing at home, but they will not work well at an event

[@ScottRyan-h2d]

The terrain rules are certainly interesting, I wonder if there is a reason for this that will become more apparent in future releases.

[@oisinholz]

I'm down for these terrain rules honestly. I think you could try some cool tricky things when planning out the terrain, though as you said, setting up a board to ensure the most fun for both will probably be the way to go. Or better yet, emulating a battlefield from the CW show or something

[@richardirl826]

I always likes putting terrain down first

[@shawnvaljean9260]

I feel like most people/events are just going to have the terrain set up before the mission packs are chosen. Setting up quickly is pretty important, especially at an event. At least we know that everyone has the same mission pack at the beginning of the games life. So setting up terrain to accommodate it will be easy.

[@robertafett14]

I guarantee the terrain will already be set up and adjusted accordingly once the objectives are set. Placing terrain afterwards will add soooooo much time before the game begins.

[@nicksimone3746]

I’d probably set terrain first, as I’d imagine that’ll be how tournaments and events will work

[@immunetopierce9306]

I think I like the idea of the terrain going down after objectives but I think for the sake of time, it will be easier to have a pre set board that is balanced decently for all objective packs

[@skreechverminking2227]

Is this like a new starter set for star wars legion the tabletop game?

[@RichMidGaming]

It’s a completely brand new game, completely separate to Legion - the miniatures are not interchangeable

[@BradBearsFan]

It will make placing all the objective tokens easier. But outside of that I'm not really a fan. I prefer having tables set up for guests ready to go. I will probably set up the table with the objectives and terrain so it's fun, fair and thematic.

[@2foleym]

I can see the terrain rules being fun for casual games, but I agree that for competitive play and tournaments you kinda HAVE to ignore it for the same of time and logistics.

[@somethingfunny3582]

The terrain is simple and in-depth enough that it makes sense but simple enough to keep it understandable

[@likeaprophet]

its really weird the terrain thing, pretty sure it wont happen this way in tournaments. great video as usual ;)

[@sneakyshiv]

I'm working on several terrain tables. Objective setup seems a bit weird...

[@ikedasquid]

I like the terrain rules, but am also confused by the "build a battlefield" as part of the game instead of it being something that happens sort of outside the rules at the beginning of the game.

[@coolrichton]

I like them for a single game, in tournament play it could get pretty cumbersome

[@Deadmeat05]

All my friendly games outside of tournaments we’ve always setup the board together before play. Just seems clunky how AMG wrote it.

[@starscream003]

The issues with elevation and objectives is going to push a meta with characters that can jump or fly. Putting a tokin at height 2 or 3 and being able to not really get to it without having to use several turns is going to make a set it and forget it point.

[@RichMidGaming]

this isn't how elevation is going to work. Every unit will have the ability to climb and they can climb to any height

[@starscream003]

@Rich_Mid Gaming I know that any unit can climb, but until an opponents unit can reach it to contest it, which may take 2 or 3 turns due to how far a unit can climb, means just more points scored. Combat is not really a priority from what I have seen, claiming objectives is priority, points win the game.

[@shinraco]

I do wish Shatterrpoint was a little bit smaller then the 3ft x 3ft it is now, so that it can fit on a Coffee table. Killteam is 30x20-ish and that is a good size but very elaborate rules for casual play, and the amount of terrain needed for it is a n investment.

[@leonardoscardicchio6091]

I can see terrain being integral to this game

[@shinraco]

I am trying to figure out how elaborate my third tier elevation should be.

[@LeifLaffeEriksson]

I will probably continue to set out terrain like I've always used to: To get a visually interesting board with a sense of purpose. To explain, I absolutely hate those mirror tables with X pieces of scenery spread out in an even manner. Yes, the board needs to be balanced, but to me the board must tell a story. If there is a farm house, there should be meadows, pastures or fields of crops. If there is a scrap pile with droid parts there should be a machinery shop, perhaps a crane with gantries or a partially dismantled ship. If there are roads the houses shouldn't overlap them, etc. So for me, setting out the terrain after deciding objectives is like putting the cart before the horse. But I need to try it before I judge it.

[@danegillespie2101]

I think the terrain rules are a little wonky but honestly it'll come down to the TO or the players at the table for a casual game. I'm fine with it. I personally love setting up the table with my opponent and not just arriving at an already set up table. I do just wish they guard quantified the actual set up a little more.

[@Chase_0077]

I'm sure some will try to game the terrain set up, but I'm just here for fun.

[@brentgrice8234]

Great video again, not a fan of the terrain rules, I am pretty sure that’s similar to legion and that wasn’t my favourite part about it I would expect terrain to be on the board if I was in a tournament or with friends

[@jessmontgomery3454]

Rules do seem a little janky, but nothing absolutely diabolical, but I'd play either way depending on whatever friends or events prefer.

[@travisskane5459]

Time spent setting up terrain is less time to play. It's interesting for sure though.

[@profparm]

For the ease of gameplay, I'd rather terrain be already set up before anything else. This allows someone to set up before a friend shows up and for TOs to help make a more balanced experience that doesn't disadvantage new players not aware of the best ways to abuse terrain.

[@mryowell6199]

I do not like setting the terrain up after for in store reason. Going to play at locals will be harder if you have to set it up each round.

[@quincy_md]

The terrain rules are actually pretty well written, but put a lot of faith in player communication before the game (to determine clear/obstructed etc). The cynic in me thinks the elevation thing is a good way to try to get people to buy official terrain, but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna kitbash some gw necromunda stuff if its bigger than range 2! As for setting up the table... I've played games that you set up after objectives, and in a tournament setting it's a bit time consuming, and we generally just set up the table beforehand and take it from there. Guess we'll see what the common practice is gonna be 🤷🏻‍♂️