Luke Shaw's wages could have saved 250 peoples jobs for years.
@chapman20018 күн бұрын
Don’t put that on shaw
@auditoblivion8 күн бұрын
One week of his wages can pay how many annual salaries?
@SkuppDponey8 күн бұрын
And 125 in fantasy points FFS 😂
@MikeLowrey-c6j8 күн бұрын
@@chapman2001It's on Ed Woodward the idiot
@mercury16958 күн бұрын
@@auditoblivion atleast 5-6 people
@sambaxter49808 күн бұрын
Media don’t talk about Shaw because he is English and his name isn’t Martial. Sad truth
@d1want348 күн бұрын
Same as Grealish, they let him off quietly
@Redsince668 күн бұрын
José Mourhino wanted to sell him ages ago…..😳
@undiscoveredstars10028 күн бұрын
False. They slate rashford, sterling, Pickford, etc etc etc.
@mohiburrehmangaming147 күн бұрын
@@undiscoveredstars1002 when?
@undiscoveredstars10027 күн бұрын
@@mohiburrehmangaming14 they just made news about him going on a 5 day break… sterling non stop, goldbridge just perpetuates it to get his Indian fans on board
@CrowGrammer8 күн бұрын
Haha I actually laughed when I saw the shaw thing, legit laughed. He’s got to go, all good
@JimiBlz8 күн бұрын
Who will buy him?
@adamogniewski48998 күн бұрын
@@JimiBlzwrexham? Sidemen fc?😂
@meisterlymanu52148 күн бұрын
what fking pisses me off is it was chomping on a pie. lock jaw.
@spadw33948 күн бұрын
Mourinho was right about Shaw
@man.unitednewstoday-YT8 күн бұрын
Mourinho always knew the truth
@h68-d3s8 күн бұрын
When they play, how they play, IF they play
@TreySmale8 күн бұрын
Yupp reason he calls out players it ain’t just cause he’s a mean guy, he speaks truth
@YMR-t8t8 күн бұрын
Mourinho was a addict
@chapman20018 күн бұрын
No he wasn’t
@kwamzyyyy8 күн бұрын
How is Shaw on the side more times than Coleslaw?!
@Cold_Logic8 күн бұрын
Coleshaw
@Godinnature8 күн бұрын
Absolutely brilliant thread 😂😂
@jeanlundi21418 күн бұрын
Eww coleslaw.
@IvyLukas8 күн бұрын
😂😂😂
@Martymac19738 күн бұрын
😂😂@@Cold_Logic
@Kspat28 күн бұрын
We are at a constant disadvantage having these types of players on our books. First it was Phil Jones for the longest time and now it’s Shaw.
@dwdimanuel2908 күн бұрын
Martial was another one
@MOH_AL_K8 күн бұрын
This has been the case with Luke Shaw for a while
@walata118 күн бұрын
@dwdimanuel290 Martial is gone so it's not an issue,Shaw is the main problem now
@quy2000Күн бұрын
I am sorry for Shaw's persistent injuries. But MU can't keep him. They will have to let him go
@nitishtiwari87728 күн бұрын
2015 - PSV vs UTD, the horror tackle by Hector Moreno on Shaw which caused a double fracture in his right leg is where it all started. He was never the same again and could never fulfill his potential.
@meisterlymanu52148 күн бұрын
cmon he was eating pasties pre 2015. The flaws in him, and his fitness coaches.
@flacohernandez43808 күн бұрын
Too bad. Get rid
@3NDER248 күн бұрын
It is sad, but he is finished.
@ryanparry19657 күн бұрын
Yeah,I feel so sorry for him,he only earns 180pw for doing absolutly nothing
@TheGreen-team8 күн бұрын
Utd need to start installing long-term injury clauses into their contracts. ie, they only get 25% of their wages if they only play 'X' amount of games!
@sabersting12748 күн бұрын
Really surprised why this isn’t a thing
@brianandersen88428 күн бұрын
As much as I'd like it, it's not legal to do so.
@eddiejohnson22018 күн бұрын
Why would any player sign that? Its a contact sport and anyone could have their career ended at any moment.
@TheGreen-team8 күн бұрын
@@brianandersen8842 if it's a written contract it is...
@TheGreen-team8 күн бұрын
@@eddiejohnson2201 correct and that's where sport insurance comes into play..a contract should have checks and balances in the contract for both sides...to protect both parties...Sport insurance, come on its common sense!
@HSKNN168 күн бұрын
How the hell has this guy survived every manager ???????
@TreySmale8 күн бұрын
Lvg player him n Rashford should be gone by now..rash barely done more than Martial and Shaw actually missed more football than Martial but some people are just waking up to this guys crap
@YMR-t8t8 күн бұрын
@@TreySmalewe need rashford inform our only chance to get top 4
@matthewdale41358 күн бұрын
Because he never played for any of them lol
@sechabatheletsane97848 күн бұрын
@@matthewdale4135 😂😂😂😂
@Denek_238 күн бұрын
@@YMR-t8tI rather put my hopes with Rasmus, we have other guys who do what Rashford does, yet if we get a clinical finisher that gets support, this in my opinion is a game changer
@StrykezMan098 күн бұрын
Seriously, release him! Tear up that contract ASAP.
@Dazzer-gx3yl8 күн бұрын
And pay off the rest which costs the same amount as keeping him...
@PeterLundin-w4s8 күн бұрын
You are very posistive Mark, i cant wait for the talk after the game tommorrow ❤️🙏🏻
@LetsTalk_ManUtd8 күн бұрын
@@Dazzer-gx3yl great point
@ahmadag18208 күн бұрын
in the long it is cheaper to do that payoff his entire his sallary for the next three years and let him go at least you can replace him with more available .
@Michael-i9y7f8 күн бұрын
Give Harry Amass a chance to play in the first team.
@mohiburrehmangaming147 күн бұрын
He's 17
@A_n_y_t_i_m_e7 күн бұрын
Maybe, after a season loan in league one and at least one or two in Championship.
@_jack_c_skate_7 күн бұрын
No he's not good enough.
@stevecockneyamass7 күн бұрын
Totally agree 👍 👏 👌
@stevecockneyamass7 күн бұрын
So what if your good enough your old enough
@Cold_Logic8 күн бұрын
If Varane still had a contract at Utd he'd still be in the medical room collecting his cheque. Release Shaw & watch him retire immediately 🙄
@TreySmale8 күн бұрын
Seriously 😅 who would make that big of a risk
@Denek_238 күн бұрын
Varane would still be available more often. Also huge respect to him for retiring when he felt he’s done instead of milking the club
@Cold_Logic8 күн бұрын
@ what do you mean?! He milked the club until his contract expired 😅
@reecea54328 күн бұрын
@@Denek_23 Retired when he felt he was done or he was warned that he wouldn't be able to walk eventually if he kept playing on. Knees were cooked
@georgeomollo91128 күн бұрын
True statement
@Mrbimdrummer8 күн бұрын
how was Shaw allowed to go away with england
@jamestabbron81248 күн бұрын
Exactly mate - you think City and Pep would have allowed that? The blame has to lie on the club also
@garethdeere48228 күн бұрын
The clubs weak and has been run like a child care .
@FoxunitedFC297 күн бұрын
The club have no say on it, it’s down to the player and every player will want to represent there country at a major tournament.
@ironi918 күн бұрын
The Shaw situation is like you crashing your car into a total wreck, can't claim insurance, you still have loan on the f'ing thing so you need to pay it down while not being able to drive it. And you can't replace it because you are broke and the wreck is occupying space in your garage...
@jwini87808 күн бұрын
Goldbridge level analogy 😂😂😂😂👌
@estalineking8 күн бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💯💯💯
@nathnaeltesfa52638 күн бұрын
It just might be time for Harry Amass to rise...it has to be
@seanjagdeo80058 күн бұрын
He showed promise on preseason but Ten Hag never gave him a chance. Maybe Amorim might use him.
@ItsBlackNexusGaming8 күн бұрын
Shaw is lcb now so amass can't replace him really
@seanjagdeo80058 күн бұрын
@@ItsBlackNexusGaming Shaw has always been a LB. Hence the reason why Martinez always started at LCB alongside Varane or Maguire and now fits perfectly in Amorim formation alongside Deligt.
@syazwans.70828 күн бұрын
Let this sink in: there are lots of working class adults in this comment section who works really hard day by day, to earn average salaries to support their families. Meanwhile Luke Shaw is being paid £150k per week to just relax on the sidelines and maybe play a few games a year when he feels like it
@desmondduodu57038 күн бұрын
This is enough, Shaw must go!
@billjerry56528 күн бұрын
How is Shaw still an United player, I find it hard to understand. Shaw is also equivalent to Phil Jones
@meisterlymanu52148 күн бұрын
w o pink boots
@IneosOut8 күн бұрын
Should have sold him after the broken leg never had that same pace after that
@Eric-xz9ms8 күн бұрын
Phil Jones , Martial and Luke Shaw. What a charity club we are?
@khalil-j6j8 күн бұрын
Pogba
@walata118 күн бұрын
Shaw and Jones will retire at United 😅
@jonwilliams36648 күн бұрын
It's safe to say, Man Utd has now left Shaw behind, I don't even know why it's a topic for discussion
@mugasiraarnold74298 күн бұрын
I immediately remembered Mark's bet abt luke shaw, tough for him though
@garethdeere48228 күн бұрын
Safest bet ever
@sambrittle19918 күн бұрын
It’s amazing how with us the injuries are 90% English !
@seanjagdeo80058 күн бұрын
Same damn thing I'm saying. And for some reason they take longer to recover and even longer to regain form. Malacia was out a whole year and after a few games he's almost back to top form.
@robkirkham88738 күн бұрын
Almost back to top form? What the hell were you watching mate. If that's back to top form the lad has no future at this level. I hope he's got a long way to go yet @@seanjagdeo8005
@anguslees9608 күн бұрын
@@seanjagdeo8005top form? Im happy with what he’s doing but if that’s top form may aswell let me play with a right foot at LM… jk i like his crossing with his left foot but he has to direct them into dangerous areas
@mt90228 күн бұрын
Xenophobic comment, reported
@sambrittle19918 күн бұрын
@@mt9022 👏👏
@maizee3698 күн бұрын
Mourinho wanted him gone maybe becuase of his injuries or ability but Mark you were the one who supported shaw all those years even though he has been injury ridden for years
@TreySmale8 күн бұрын
Yepp marks been wrong on lots of things over the years don’t hold it against it too much. A lot of people on the channel/in the comments have bad opinions too 😅
@sechabatheletsane97848 күн бұрын
Supporting a player is what we should all do. We don't decide if they stay or go. But now we're done.
@sharondunne37768 күн бұрын
Shaw got to go he rather play for england
@rainbowroom20108 күн бұрын
That’s total bollocks…England took the gamble with the timeline for his fitness…
@CarloTurner-vl7rl8 күн бұрын
@@rainbowroom2010 Bollocks ??? Yours haven’t even dropped yet !!! .
@beefsuprem02418 күн бұрын
Shaws had more time off than Katie Prices undercrackers. Sell, sell, sell
@jarzhinio8 күн бұрын
The next ridiculous mistakes which United could make next: New contract for Maguire Not buying a left back to replace Shaw, or buying Chilwell as a replacement. Buying Dominic Calvert Lewin for 80 million. Watch how we may actually do one of these and then claim it's some kind of plan.
@Howdiddygetrightthere8 күн бұрын
This is not the old regime my brother, Ineos won’t be stupid enough to make those mistakes
@jarzhinio8 күн бұрын
@Howdiddygetrightthere let's see which one of these comments ages better. I hope yours
@seanjagdeo80058 күн бұрын
Maguire hasn't done diddly squat to deserve a new contract. United will be better off letting him go on a free transfer because nobody rates him.
@FunnyOrNot8 күн бұрын
Shaw and Maguire need to go!
@liamcoughlan97398 күн бұрын
Just pay out his contract and move on
@David-cm4ok8 күн бұрын
Couldn’t agree more. Total waste of time.
@brianandersen88428 күн бұрын
Take the hit and move on.
@rychier69948 күн бұрын
@@liamcoughlan9739 yep, just get him out of here
@DominicFranklin-w6y8 күн бұрын
That would cost almost £30m to pay his contract. I doubt they would do that.
@princetonspencer82738 күн бұрын
Get rid of him..100% done!!!
@yosefjama80988 күн бұрын
I believe Luke show was the player who shared info with the media. I have no evidence but I believe he is one of three in total.
@zeth71378 күн бұрын
I'd play Leny, De Ligt and Mazraoui rather than Maguire 💯
@Pash-8 күн бұрын
Why would you risk another player like yoro who has just come back?
@ZakSerra8 күн бұрын
@@Pash- I understand what you mean pash, but maguire is slow and saka and martinelli will cause problems for the centre backs so yoro de ligt and mazraoui looks the better option for now, I think Amorim will sub leny for harry at half time or 50th min
@Pash-8 күн бұрын
@@ZakSerra Ya I hear you but I would also understand not playing Yoro at all cause there is still minimum 30 games left.
@markusprinsloo17368 күн бұрын
I’d even take £5m for him in the summer instead of paying £20m+ on him until 2027. Love the guy but I cant back keeping him.
@fiftyfour20617 күн бұрын
Nobody is paying Utd 5M and Shaw 8M per year to not play.
@manager51228 күн бұрын
LUKE SHAW NEEDS TO BE FORCED OUT THE DOOR ASAP SICK OF IT
@deepakunni23807 күн бұрын
One thing I love about us is we trust and keep our players even if they are prone to injuries. I dont think it makes much difference that if we sell these players,we have already spent a billion on transfers...
@StevenBray-o4m8 күн бұрын
Martinez has missed 43 games for us since he signed, due to injury. We should get rid of him aswell whilst we can still get something for him.
@rychier69948 күн бұрын
@@StevenBray-o4m sad but true, he's extremely injury prone as well...
@ItsBlackNexusGaming8 күн бұрын
A broken foot and another bad challenge him caused the 2nd injury.. not the same as shaw at all
@thenomadicfoxtravels8 күн бұрын
If u could get inacio from sporting or someone worthwhile who's younger too, I would do it.
@ConorBreen-s4d8 күн бұрын
I love Luke Shaw. But he has to go
@AGH23048 күн бұрын
We can't play him, we can't rip up his contract, we can't sell him, we can't give him away for free. No one else is taking him.
@bmnbl8 күн бұрын
What a shame we're also dealing with Renato Sanches at Benfica another one of those that might be ending his career early :(
@seanjagdeo80058 күн бұрын
FFS !!!!!!! Shaw is another Phil Jones. Malacia is probably the only natural LB in the club. And he's just coming back from injury.
@keithperkin-vb8hv8 күн бұрын
I don't remember people opposing a new contract for Luke Shaw in 2023 quite the opposite actually!
@Armaan195288 күн бұрын
When I had a heart attack leading to a triple heart bypass, I was allowed 6 months full pay from work whilst recovering. After 6 months, it was half pay. Luckily, I was a month away from retirement, so I was allowed to take that. Had I not been near retirement, my half pay would have ceased after another 6 months.
@realife15428 күн бұрын
Good to hear you made it 💪🏽
@meisterlymanu52148 күн бұрын
but youre not a fat left back for MU
@robkirkham88738 күн бұрын
Shaw is a fantastic player who unfortunately is just broken. As long as he comes back from these injuries and plays well when he can do, it feels like the club wont replace him. He's got to go unfortunately.
@Irishguy14208 күн бұрын
His injury record reads like Lord of the Rings lmao
@meisterlymanu52148 күн бұрын
that doesnt make any sense. I dont remember dozens of injuries in LOTR. I saw deaths and fireworks and gollum. No injuries.
@jonny46millgrove7 күн бұрын
@@meisterlymanu5214I think he should have said War and Peace. LONG !
@Saborjake8 күн бұрын
Shaw is the biggest deadwood player we got
@NK-jj3qe8 күн бұрын
Terminate on capability grounds and pay his notice period. The only thing stopping utd is that they lose the opportunity to sell him but currently his value is zilch. If his full notice period is the remainder of his contract period then frankly it makes sense to just keep him on the off chance he can play a couple of games.
@shutup27518 күн бұрын
why is it so hard to sell dross at this club?
@HavokRm8 күн бұрын
coz of their high contracts, literally nobody will offer him something close to agree a move. Woodward and Arnold have done generational damage with hiring sht on high salaries
@endlessendless23918 күн бұрын
Woodward’s incompetence was crazy. Paying 80 million for Harry Maguire, when there is way cheaper and better options always available.
@Misty-20248 күн бұрын
Luke Shaw hates playing against Saka. He's not played against Arsenal since Saka had him on toast three years ago.
@cjugg11028 күн бұрын
Shaw = 🚪
@rektage2638 күн бұрын
😂😂
@Kevin-uc9fw8 күн бұрын
Amass needs to be given a chance though
@stevecockneyamass7 күн бұрын
Totally agree 👍 👏 👌
@Luisthewise998 күн бұрын
In his day he is one of the best. But he hasn’t been that in a long time now. This is sad and difficult all around smh
@walata118 күн бұрын
This narrative is the reason he is still at United, he should have been sold a long time
@ricky90408 күн бұрын
He should be sold in the January what a waste of space
@marco318 күн бұрын
To who? Nobody wants him.
@stefantanackovic53598 күн бұрын
The issue is no one will buy him with that injury record and those wages Utd would most likely have to have a payoff for him to leave as clubs who may be interested in him aren’t willing to buy with his wage
@JuliaRichards8 күн бұрын
Yet another overpaid Glazer 'asset.'
@Shay33s8 күн бұрын
I think he should consider retiring , I don’t foresee him being able to have much of a career left with how often he is out. Let’s move on at Utd anyway .
@HavokRm8 күн бұрын
why would he retire when he can sit and earn 180k. Block social media and no stress
@bryannield14808 күн бұрын
Get rid of Shaw and Maguire asap.
@iverhanslien75878 күн бұрын
Give him to Gary and his lads at Salford or book him a flight to Saudi Arabia asap
@paulburgess96028 күн бұрын
Shaw is crocked got to go we cannot keep carrying these players 😢
@Prog4Prog7 күн бұрын
As much as I feel sorry for him for having a career plagued by injury - he had so much potential to be one of the best in the league and for England but enough is enough. We can’t flog a dead horse!
@daleelder19398 күн бұрын
Just get rid of him, we can't keep passengers
@g.g.63628 күн бұрын
Rashford? Total passenger!
@ZakSerra8 күн бұрын
Now we definitely need a left footed centre back in January, hopefully that takes the burden off Jonny Evan’s.
@seanjagdeo80058 күн бұрын
Martinez is the left footed CB. What I think you meant was United needs a new LB or LWB to suit Amorim formation.
@glencastle14507 күн бұрын
Shaw didn’t fancy playing against saka
@danid84058 күн бұрын
We need a really tight training regime where all players are required to eat sleep and no drink to make sure they are all in top shape and fitness as I've noticed a few players like to eat too much and pile on the pounds and shaw is one of them unfortunately
@Michael1948 күн бұрын
Sell him for free and pay 50k of his wages. Get rid of that glass cannon
@johnanthonybyrne19958 күн бұрын
We know Amorim is ruth ruthless look what happened with Ruud who didn't lose a game and got the team playing giving him a positive start and the supporters loved him and he wanted to stay in any capacity but he wasn't part of Amorims team so he was gone
@SirWilhelm78 күн бұрын
Oh for gods sake, he should just retire and stop dragging this on for everyone
@mal62978 күн бұрын
the club should sue him
@PhumelelaMfazo7 күн бұрын
😂😂😂
@roykeane81648 күн бұрын
It’s time to let Shaw go. Way too many injuries
@Kevin-uc9fw8 күн бұрын
Shaw, Lindelof, Eriksen, Maguire and maybe Evans must leave.
@MILLERA123458 күн бұрын
Amorim should start Harry Amass. Could move Dalot down to LCB and move Amass to LWB to ease some defensive duties for the youngster. Not the best game to debut a big cameo but maybe a risk worth taking. Seems like most people have written United off anyway, so play the youngster. We could also have Dalot play LCB and Malacia play LWB as well.
@anonymousjay48798 күн бұрын
Yoro will start in place of shaw - Mazraoui - De Ligt - Yoro - Dalot and Amad - Bruno - Ugarte - Mount - Garnacho - Hoijlund - That’s my starting for tomorrow - Rashford benched - Zirkee benched - Casemiro Benched
@JamieReid-oi5qr7 күн бұрын
Rather see casemiep than Bruno against arsenal in the middle no way Bruno can do that job
@HavokRm8 күн бұрын
in 10 years, never heard any decent team even look at him for a bid
@CodyShane-f2i8 күн бұрын
Hell no, Shaw and Maguire need to go!
@sanky778 күн бұрын
Phil Jones vs Luke Shaw. English Finest Glass Products
@davidmoore67408 күн бұрын
Move Mazraoui to LCB. Keep Dalot at LWB. de Ligt at MCB if Yoro can play RCB otherwise de Ligt at RCB and fill the center with someone with a pulse 😂
@philweller88967 күн бұрын
I feel sorry for Shaw on a personal level, but at least he can wipe up his tears with 180k a week for doing nowt
@lux50728 күн бұрын
Shaw’s body is cooked , should do the right thing and retire
@AGH23048 күн бұрын
It would actually be cheaper to pay off his contract to save on the medical bills.
@JonasPrakash-i9s8 күн бұрын
Please Just release him, he’s like a charge cord on its last legs
@realife15428 күн бұрын
Sell him or terminate his contract
@Lostitalready0017 күн бұрын
I feel for him.
@jameshudson-smith41648 күн бұрын
crazy ... mark actually won the bet 😂
@stevecockneyamass7 күн бұрын
Harry Amass LWB or LB give him some minutes to look at his abilities
@donaldmccabe9757 күн бұрын
If we keep Shaw, it costs us £25M and a squad position. If we sell him for £10M and cover 50% of his wages, it costs us £2.5M and frees a squad position.
@AbhraGhosh-g3m8 күн бұрын
I’d get two left sided players immediately in january. both a lwb/lm and a center back. Alvaro carreras comes to mind immediately, cheap and he’s quite good (from highlights i’ve seen). and a left sided center back. Inacio and branthwaite come to mind. don’t know who amorim wants though tbf.
@nathnaeltesfa52638 күн бұрын
He's a great player who can't play. Shaw needs to be replaced in January
@garethdeere48228 күн бұрын
He's never been a great player
@walata118 күн бұрын
Overated
@Jippo-pq4gu8 күн бұрын
Goldbridge supported Shaw’s decision to go to euro’s but.
@michaelmyers40537 күн бұрын
No he didn't liar
@Jippo-pq4gu7 күн бұрын
@@michaelmyers4053 yes he did. Go back through the videos liar.
@mohammedabbas42508 күн бұрын
Jose was right this guy needs gone
@hussainqureshiwaish73648 күн бұрын
Luke shaw is the replacement of phil jones
@nandowski61098 күн бұрын
-"Shaw should leave and go be an Uber Driver." -"You know that involves pedals... That's probably gonna hurt his legs." That was a nice one 😂
@MichaelCunningham-tv2ky8 күн бұрын
Hi mark I know it’s terrible with shaw , I got angry myself I remember the bet u put on about it but I do feel for him he loves united and his body is letting him down he’s not actually playing the dressing room games in terms of goin missing as he actually loves the club.
@AmadDread7 күн бұрын
Sign Theo Hernandez and try selling Shaw to Saudi Arabia i don't understand why Manchester United hasn't tapped into that market.
@shinsvantil86428 күн бұрын
At £600k per month and £7,2mil a year he should have invested enough to go and retire….his bad planning should NOT be United problem…..
@auditoblivion8 күн бұрын
Have to sell: Shaw, Mount, Rashford and Lindelof
@lancelangley86628 күн бұрын
Shaw out. Enough is enough
@oiEL-X8 күн бұрын
if amorim is genuinely ineos' manager for the future, i will not be opposed if half of our budget next season will be to clear out(pay off) the deadwood aka shaw, lindelof, eriksen, evans, eriksen etc. and regarding mason mount, would still love to know what these "non footballing reasons" were for him coming to us
@MysticWig8 күн бұрын
Maguire isn’t left footed, I agree. But I’m also not sure he is even right footed.
@lordflashheart42658 күн бұрын
Does the EPL have a system for medical retirements? The National Rugby League (NRL) in Australia has a system where a player can be medically retired and paid out a portion of his remaining contract, freeing up space for replacements. But we do operate under a salary cap out here to be fair.
@SaharouBlankok8 күн бұрын
You avoided the bet with Luke Shaw😂😂😂. But it’s so a shame we wanted competition in the left spots
@LITTLERASCAL2108 күн бұрын
Great talent and great servant but sadly agree 100 % decisions have to made.
@mishalgudka38708 күн бұрын
Under Woodward, if you performed well for 1-2 months you were rewarded with a new longterm contract. They gave one to Phil Jones for christs sake.