She's Been Suffering For 5 Years - Full Professional Bike Fit

Bike Fit Tuesday's is back with a full professional bike fit from start to finish. Thanks to Dr Dani and James from Bicycle in Richmond.
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[@_MattyG_]

Also Danny is spot on, cause most people are not sure exactly how it is supposed to feel. She is making James work

[@keessonnema]

Yes, and that's when experience comes in. He knows how it should feel by experience from other people. Very interesting!

[@Avioto]

Nice Francis, already monetizing the marriage 😁

[@TheManic.5-OH]

I believe they already did this on their wedding night, or they were supposed to anyway 🤔

[@forza_161]

@@TheManic.5-OH creepy and weird…

[@xorising]

"She's been suffering for 5 years" heyooooooo

[@ellipticalsoul]

@Bikefitjames I know there are probably time constraints with filming regular customers who you don't know personally, but I'd like to see more lengthy videos like this on your channel

[@49tkscott]

Seriously, 16 weeks to wait to find out you are married. Congratulations to you both. Fantastic news. The vlog was awesome. James is a bloody legend. Wish I could afford to visit.

[@benjaminlechappers]

Only James and Opticians touch something and say “Better or worse” 😂

[@mikebell4468]

Part of me just wants a bike fit so I can hang out with James and talk nerdy bike things

[@hockysa]

You could. There’s worse ways to spend money.

[@pierrethetrex6106]

your not the only one, you can book a fit with his company but it costs extra to do it with him

[@keessonnema]

@@pierrethetrex6106 Worth it in my books!

[@elbowspeak]

Wait! What bike is Dani gonna get?!?! Don't leave us hanging 🙏

[@PromotetheOat]

This guy is an absolute wizard. So much fit bs out there, but the reasoning behind these changes just make sense from a physics and physiological perspective. Thank you

[@sazridesbikes]

She’s bouncing like mad at the beginning. Solid as a rock at the end. Lovely.

[@johnmcnulty1129]

Reckon it's time for a "Mystery Rider" to rack up, with the exact same analysis requirements, at James Bike Fit, Phil Burt's Bike Fit & UK Bike Fit ! :) Then see if there's any differential in the resulting data numbers ! 😁

[@ellipticalsoul]

that would be interesting! bit costly though haha

[@johnmcnulty1129]

Plus who would have the "Final" say on verification ? Loughborough University, Team UAE or Sir Dave Brailsford ? :) 🤔

[@marcpfister9414]

See "The Need for Data-driven Bike Fitting: Data Study of Subjective Expert Fitting" by Braekevelt et al. The authors tested two riders across nine fitters and saddle height varied by 3 cm!

[@АнтонАлексеенко-р1у]

@@johnmcnulty1129 You would simply need three identical bikes to start with for three fits so that you could be able to test the difference. A blunder would come apparent quite fast, although it is not highly likely that you would get a fail as such

[@jonpoon3896]

Then fly over the Australia to the guy from Road Cycling Academy

[@michaelwalker4242]

I speak for much of the audience when I say we've missed Bike Fit James! Welcome back 🎉

[@ev-ezaye3580]

Shout to Francis! Thanks for bringing BikeFit Tuesdays back! I sorely missed it! 🙌🏼 ✌️

[@jonpoon3896]

Finally someone talks about the flaw of BB drop for smaller bikes. Especially more important for bikepacking

[@philipdiggens9455]

James is the man - I had saddle sores on long rides for years that other bike fitters could not fix. One visit to James in the brick cellar and I'm sorted, although it did involve new bars, seat post, shoes and saddle! Next time I need a new bike I'll see him first...

[@noamsolomonswise]

I had a bike fit with Denver at James' Bicycle Richmond in January and it transformed my riding experience. I still love watching James fit other people.

[@winstoncat6785]

Think there is a pretty huge, visual difference and everything looks much better. Very interesting to watch. Thanks!

[@m__r1100]

My wife is 5'1" and it's so good to hear your thoughts. It echoes our experience of too high BB's and too long cranks for short legs...We can solve narrower bars and cranks easily, but BB drop is difficult..

[@WayneCouyon]

Not difficult. Expensive.

[@nathanattwood7187]

I'm really struggling to figure this out too. My wife is 5'. Do I need to get her a 24" bike?

[@m__r1100]

@@nathanattwood7187 my wife rides a 27.5" mountain bike (XS/13.5" Liv Lust) and 700c hybrid eBike (Merida eSpeeder). In the past she's had 26" Cannondale F900sl, Trek Superfly and Liv Invite (gravel). All have fitted well frame wise, but all had cranks too long and wide bars. Her current Liv Lust we cut the wide bars down to just over her shoulder width and I found 65mm cranks, but would like smaller if I could. The eSpeeder is newish and I'm looking at a crank change again, and I've already taken 4cm off bars.

[@m__r1100]

@@nathanattwood7187 and she's 5'1"

[@brendavane9148]

This was great. Welcome to the Cade Media family. Can we see your new bike when you get it?

[@steverhysjenks]

I've been wanting to see Cade Media do a video like for a long time - well done, so insightful and for me and I hope others, removes that fear / trepidation of going to a bike fitter.

[@davidpage6831]

The ISO standard actually allows for a far lower BB height on lean angles. The actual issue is creating a consistent size chart with respect to stack heights as a lower BB needs a shorter head tube for consistent stack. Hard to engineer a very short head tube with the taper, space for hose routing and only one fork on all sizes of Dogma.

[@michaeltsui3435]

Then make the downtube an arch? the top tube of the Dogma is archy enough

[@davidpage6831]

@@michaeltsui3435 wouldn't change anything with regards to the relationship between stack, reach, head tube length and bb drop.

[@michaeltsui3435]

@@davidpage6831 at least you got a steeper headtube

[@gravgrav]

Love this. I run into these challenges all the time with smaller clients. These folks need the most help!

[@ICESTONE70]

OMG i could listen to James talk about bikefit for hours

[@jameshancock18]

Love watching the content even after having a fit and several appointments with James to sort issues and purchase a new bike. Can’t recommend James enough

[@foresure7181]

Glad to see more of james coming into the content again, love what he brings.

[@m.canaris7172]

'Dani is 5'2"' so taller than Francis?

[@gc641]

😂😂😂

[@tobimaxx]

😂😂😂😂

[@wandering_pete]

Ouch! 😂

[@KermitOfWar]

Is the ole' boy really that short? 🤣

[@miggyflo4545]

💀

[@jonasv328]

Get a disc-braked 28" bike and put in 27'5" or 26" wheels (or 27,5" bike with 26" wheels). Voilà: Lower bottom bracket, lower saddle to ground distance.

[@jtmuso]

The BB drop is really eye opening. What an oversight

[@bionaraq]

The bike fitter was excellent in this!. His energy was amazing.

[@BadTanLines]

Welcome to the channel Daniella! Francais, if all I had to do in order to get a bike fit from James was to marry you, I would have married you years ago. Great video, please never put a filter on the amount of nerdy bike fit talk in these videos. It's some of the best chat on the platform!

[@jeremyemilio9378]

Ugandan interviewer: doesn't dat make U GEH?

[@Dominika-ry5re]

Thank you for talking about short cyclist bike fit! ❤

[@imTheManBoxJosephSanchez]

is amazing the way that james manages to explain everything about fitting

[@RembricP]

James is an amazing bike fitter but he has a few opinions that I think are a bit interesting. The touching the floor thing. I come from the world of mountain biking. We have high bottom bracket clearance for obvious reasons. With that in mind, when my saddles are set at the correct height, I can barely touch the floor with the very tips of my toes. This is what dropper posts are for. 27.2mm droppers for road and gravel bikes are a thing for a reason. Get the bike you want. Set your saddle at the correct height and either learn how to step off of a bike correctly or get a dropper. Or preferably both.

[@kevinlyon9501]

Bike fit followed by custom bike build what a dutiful husband you are.😆

[@hamishosborne8740]

Great content. Nice to meet Dani. Curious to see the build, hope that becomes a video. Could be cool to also see a video of you other three to understand how James manages your fits.

[@Local.hero.1983]

Hang on ... this is a carbon copy of Proof of Sweat bikefit that exploded,same title wording and thumb.

[@simmonsj]

Very interesting video. I need to get myself a bike fit (like, 6 years after I bought the bike 🤦

[@matthewclatworthy3597]

Great video, thank you James & Danni! 🙏☺️

[@SteveBrill]

Great video showing just how good James is. 👏 Congrats on the wedding Francis and your beautiful new wife. (Nice Speedmaster James)! 😉

[@user-sk4dv4kn2m]

For those with small kids learning to ride, youll probably haveen the bottom bracket height issue too. Kid has to have saddle too low (granted rhey are super flexy) so can get power down to go/startup up hills, as otherwise they cannot stop easily without falling..

[@qiroga31]

Standert bikes has specific compact bikes, you should check them. They are really nice!

[@frankwilson2607]

Insightful. Surely many people deviate from "ideal" size and body proportions such that an off-the-shelf frame compromises one's riding position. Now people are more aware of crank length, bar width, etc.coming into play in "non-ideal" physiognomies. It is great that there are so many custom builders out there. Still, a hard sell for a bike shop owner to such a customer who walks in expecting that a standard bike will fit 'em.

[@wandering_pete]

Great video, and like many I'm now intrigued about what bike Danni ends up getting. On another note, as a 185cm/6'1" tall man, it would be interesting to see a bike fit video, either here or on James's channel for someone around this height and the recommendations/advice James has for saddle height, crank length, etc.

[@teemax1809]

that was actually...really informative. i was expecting to drop off a third through this video. i learned a lot watching this.

[@kenzohkw]

This is the best effing bike video on youtube. Its so important for folk to feel comfortable and confident on a bike so they can enjoy and get better at cycling. Manufacturers need to design geometry around bike fit and sell us bikes that actually fit a human being! Thanks Francis and James, watched this from start to finish and didn't even blink!

[@TimR123]

I love seeing Bike Fit Tuesday again. (although I miss 'Angry James' :-) ) This was an excellent video walking through real issues with a rider. Even as one who is the opposite kind of 'vertically challenged' I came away from it with a better understanding of the ergonomics. (please do one for stupidly tall people too)

[@headdie89]

great video :) thx to the people who made it

[@gosbusta]

MOAR Bike Fit!

[@etantao]

Damn I wish I could get a fitting as comprehensive as this.

[@larryt.atcycleitalia5786]

BRAVO! The industry has had way too much success destroying the value of "made-to-measure" vs t-shirt sizes! Time for that pendulum to swing back IMHO. Keep it up!

[@hockysa]

I wanna know what bike she ends up getting and how much Francis is going to spend on it !

[@jonaspietsch161]

So, custom bike building video next?

[@goodcompanycoffee]

Fantastic before and after comparison shots. Great type of content to share for those interested in dialing in their own bike fits. (Yes I’ve been to a professional, but wish I could go see James!)

[@exzeroex]

Wow, this looks so interesting. I need to diagnose myself...

[@EllaMeasom97]

Love this!!

[@paulawright6868]

What a great fit. Hope you enjoy your riding.

[@Irishman_and_a_Dog]

this is just so deep and so interesting I am in Awe. Just got my first ever Gravel and first ever bike fit and I am amazed at the differences before and after. Kudos to James for expertly clarifying the little things which are so important!

[@Irnbruist]

what a gorgeous lady, congrats mate! Very insightful video like always 🙏🏼

[@sbcc01]

Best bike fit video i've seen, before and after such a significant difference. A+ James

[@roddas26]

That was brilliant

[@fatwheezer4894]

It's just clicked from your mates custom Sarto vid that this is your Mrs? Mate your not the elephant man or anything but you are punching there like.......chapeau!

[@robertlight2370]

5:35 Danielle finally ties her hair back 😂

[@Over50sroadie]

I know how this conversation went: Wife: "Can do the bike fit please?" James: "Ill do it tomorrow!" Five years later....

[@Chris-pt6hh]

The bit about saddles being too wide, therefore riders sit forward on the narrower part to avoid the rubbing... I've been noticing that myself and wondering if it could be the case. It's validating to hear that it's something he sees a lot.

[@daveoram7249]

So, Dr Dani needed a shorter crank and saddle adjustments. Was a shorter/longer stem needed or a different angle? I notice that new bars were fitted to test bike. Did Dr Dani need a Narrower Bar? If a 170 Crank was fitted to bike then I am guessing a 40 or 42cm bar was also fitted and Dr Danni looked like she was a slim build so maybe 38cm bars

[@PhyRexia.]

James is fantastic.

[@grahambell9831]

Excellent, informative video Francis, James & Danii 👏.

[@318ishonk]

For shorter people who might want short cranks I recommend the Croder Spirit Crank Arms (available from 140-172.5mm length). That's a modular solution where you can buy the cranks, the spindle and chainrings/spider seperately. I'm tall but bought 155mm cranks for my recumbent bike which works very well for me. I connected the Croder cranks & spindle with my Quarq DZero powermeter. Also what's going on with these robot comments? Is that AI?

[@JohnSmith-ox7xc]

I've bought cranks from Croder directly before, but they no longer ship to the UK.

[@chunkytfg]

You can buy them from James at Bicycle. My Missus had a bike fit with James and we also had 155mm Croder cranks fitted. Not a cheap option though. FSA do a road bike crank that is available that short too although it has 46/30 chainrings. Its around £180 IIRC

[@xelseartheonlyone1267]

Every fitting video i see is titled (Suffering for X amount of years) you withstand terrible pain for so long. Cause you are certain you can make it work yourself. So you don't have to spend extra money. Cause the bike itself and the equipment is already extremely expensive. And after many years of pain and wasting money from the 20 saddles and 10 different bib shorts. You decide to spend them on bike fitting in hope cycling starts to become a joy and not a torture. If i could turn back time. I would do a bike fitting before i buy a bike. Not the opposite. I regret it. Cycling is a very expensive hobby, it will never be mainstream for this reason alone.

[@Gufolicious]

i think the problem is that most people dont know about "bike fit" when they buy their first bike. they buy a bike and if they like it, they ride more and problems start to surface. im also a strong believer that a bikefiter can only do so much with a total noob who never rode more than 1 hour. i think the best clients for those fitters are people who already have a few miles under their belt and roughly know what problems occur after a certain time of riding.

[@larryt.atcycleitalia5786]

A lot of it is industry's fault. Some may encourage competent bike fitters but then supply only t-shirt sizes with issues discussed here. Buying online (giving ALL the profits to the online merchant vs bike shop) just makes things worse. Buying a suit of clothes that can easily and cheaply be exchanged for the right size is far easier than trying to return a bicycle in a box..AFTER you've taken it out of the box and discovered it's the wrong size. But the industry doesn't care if you ride it, all they care is that you BOUGHT it!

[@billinhouston3291]

Aww, she's so pretty, and she's a doctor. Congrats, you two. (I know it's been a while) Great bike fit content, as usual.

[@paulseandaniels5031]

Didn't know you were married!!! Super stoked for you Francis!!! ❤🙏🏽💯 James is just a LEGEND!

[@JamesBrown-qt2yr]

Great vid, reallly enjoying getting to see the details of a bike fit between you and James' channels recent offerings.

[@davewright8206]

he is fascinating to watch work

[@leedorney]

Don't talk to me about manufacturers my No. 1 hate is crank length WHY CANNOT they give the rider the choice? every bike off the leg round my size frame are 172.5’s.. I've ride 170’s for longer than I can recall! - I don't buy off the peg because of this

[@frankcastora8348]

James is mad scientist! But what he does simply works.

[@garethskwarczek]

You missed a perfect opportunity at 0:08 to insert a Borat clip saying "my wife"

[@jameshancock18]

😂😂

[@apostoloskoritas9149]

Hi. Do you mind to share the brand (or a link) for the insoles please. I’m watching from USA. Thank you so much

[@cyclenut7627]

Bike fit Tuesday on a Tuesday???? Is the world coming to the end??? 😃

[@d.k.7710]

Great one, again... In fact I went (as many of us) through tons and years of optimization, having learnt few things on my own.. wish I would pay more attention back then and had found some material of such quality... Few pretty common things I use to suffer on: - as soon as you start to move around sattle / jiggle and wabble on sattle the height is very likely too high (or dramatically too low) - bending of the knees in lower dead end, as mentioned here, shouldn't go over 145° (linked pretty strong to sattle)... however seat post angle and adjustment range of sattle plays a role here as well - try at least once shorter cranks, this might be game changer - acknowledge, that 80% of handlebar optimization originates actually in wrong ratio between stack and reach... so basically the frame size / shape

[@Lou-Lou.]

How does one meet a gorgeous doctor who also cycles? Asking for a friend 😅

[@Bikefitjames]

Step 1) have a successful KZbin channel Step 2) walk in to an American hospital with a “hurty”

[@Lou-Lou.]

@@Bikefitjames 🤣🤣🤣

[@Lou-Lou.]

@@Bikefitjames so that's what he tells everyone 🤣

[@davidhunternyc1]

You're brilliant. I have the opposite problem. I'm 6 feet tall and can't get a good fit on a Brompton.

[@JakeMay]

Daniiiiiii

[@Chris-jc3lr]

Specialized shoes - good choice

[@jered2177]

She purty

[@framue]

Educational as always. Thank you Francis & James. @bikefitjames: as one adjusts saddle height when changing crank length is the same true for saddle setback (fore/aft)?

[@SilverSniper75]

Wait wait!! Wasn't she the lady you met in LA when you were touring through the States like a year back with the wheelchair dude?

[@gc641]

Awesome

[@cb6866]

Thanks Dani , Francis , and James . Do the same rules , or specs apply to a very tall person ? Be well , eh

[@markbailey2130]

Very interesting.. My wife's 5 ft 2 and not the most confident on a bike. She always seems high on her saddle when the seat post is set to the height that "I" think it should be not what she wants ie her elbows almost banging her knees!! She always moans and never puts it where I think she would be more efficient. Never thought about the Bottom bracket height before. Great insightful video.

[@winterwatson6437]

james, you’ve mentioned sourcing narrow bars from taiwan. any suggestions for someone on a budget who’s looking for 320mm bullhorns?

[@NoahStephens]

I’ve been trying to put my finger on who James reminds me of. He sometimes. Sometimes… has the mannerism of Captain Jack Sparrow!

[@davidverrall]

Can you repeat that James, I got slightly lost at column D. Hi to Mrs Cade btw.

[@abizzle888]

This is where HUP bikes are underrated! Offer up to a 37cm frame with 700c wheels

[@abizzle888]

Would love to see a review ir a shout out. Girlfriend is 4ft 11 and their bike is the only one that fits without going custom and a he'll of a lot cheaper!

[@richardharker2775]

Ahh! Dani is getting spoilt. Lucky girl. So will it be a custom build?

[@Afrikakorps68]

The picture "Before/After" reminds me the old funny videos where Benny Hill used to jog in a lazy way, and then suddenly, a couple of pretty women appeared in front of him...

[@gravelmeri]

"Not being able to touch the floor affect the confidence" so true! We need better designs...

[@jkmacie]

Big difference between the start and end position. Much less movement. Hope she has many happy cycling KMs!

[@ShawnIsBatman]

Absolutely fabulous video!

[@deadpool8340]

And on a Tuesday !!! How long will it last

[@NoahStephens]

Francis: you done good, my friend.

[@BradleyHansonPhotography]

Having been through a fit myself as a bike shop employee, it was informative to see how much more thorough James is than my own experiences. I also found the Ergon road/gravel saddles to be a lot more comfortable for me than the Selle Italia SLR Boost (that I really wanted to love) because the flat top on the Ergon causes less pressure than the banked sides of the Selle Italia, but this is based on bone structure, etc, so may not be true for other riders.

[@Gufolicious]

the slr boost is no flat top saddle m8

[@BradleyHansonPhotography]

@@Gufolicious I know, that’s why it didn’t work for me. The Ergon is flat.