Sheed & Bonzi Explain WHY Players In This Era Would STRUGGLE In Theirs

[@Nootz10]

As society has gotten more soft over time, why are we surprised to see it in pro sports?

[@darthandeddeu]

I blame the automotive industry for democratic transportation options forcing us off the farms and traditional jobs.

[@SD80]

Agreed. No more hitting in football No more physicality in basketball No more tolerance for fighting in hockey

[@lancethompson4674]

Fair point rugby league gone the same

[@MrKevin1144]

Agreed. A societal issue not just a sports issue.

[@onlydbrasko]

@@lancethompson4674 What constitues as "soft" in rubgy?

[@chrisbrooks6756]

The mental toughness is the biggest difference between today and yesterday. Knowing your'e going to get hit, every time you enter the paint, but going anyway. Now, everything is a flop or complaint to a ref, instead of playing through it.

[@underthebridgetroll9816]

I mean, players do flop back in the day too, like Reggie or Starks, just not common. Nowadays, even the benchwarmer flops. Point is, the generation that watched the old gen picked up some tricks that might have worked to their advantage. It's no different from AI's cross, dreamshake, etc.

[@chrisbrooks6756]

@@underthebridgetroll9816 That's kind of the point. The mentality used to be tough, show no weakness, take your hot, pop up, go to the free throw line. Now the mentality is fake it like you got hit, flail, EVERYTHING is a foul. Rather than work on your game, to make yourself harder to guard, work on your acting so the refs bail you out. Guys like Reggie were a disgrace and an exception, not the norm. It's a mentality. Flopping isn't smart, it's weak.

[@joelvitasa1121]

That’s why no blood no foul that era 90s it’s hard for everybody to score most of the player can make a shot below 10 ft…. Hahaha old school

[@msinna6433]

I hate this argument because you guys say players today wouldn’t make the league back then when the players back then wouldn’t make the league today. The players adapted to the rules and play style no matter the era. If the nba stopped calling fouls, players will adapt. If you could be as physical as the previous generations, players would adapt, but that was previous generations. The rules have changed. They’re literally not ALLOWED to play physical due to the rules. So I think it’s nonsense to suggest players couldn’t play in any era when you’ll foul out if you play physical today, how is that on the players?

[@chrisbrooks6756]

@@msinna6433 I agree with some of that. I blame Adam Silver WAY more than the players. But there is certainly a difference, generationally, in maturity, toughness, professionalism, that makes this generation softer, emotionally more fragile, less likely to adapt to a tougher style of play, locker room. It's faster, easier money, entering the league at 19 yrs old, rather than 21-22 years old, social media, societal shift.

[@drewmeyer9679]

I agree. They’re not saying players can’t play back then they’re saying it’s a lot harder due to the physicality. There is no triple stepback, no being out of shape, no load management etc.

[@jamessanders6788]

No. They are saying they would be playing. And they are right. Young boys and men are weak today.

[@younglove3362]

They'd be killing the previous players easily. The players today are more skilled, more athletic, and better shooters. The physical play wouldn't be a problem, They'd adapt. Bonding and Sheed would flourish in today's league, but not a lot of players would. Bonzi"s game is suited for today. Rasheed is one of those anomalies that was ahead of his time. Old heads are nostalgic and daft. Defense isn't gone, players are just harder to guard.

[@jamessanders6788]

@@younglove3362 nah. The older player that were better would just improve their skill. Today's players are just specialist in yesteryear'a game. Back then, you had to be a two-way player. Today's player's are weaklings.

[@stackntax1308]

This era you can get by on strictly skill and talent in past generations you had to be mentally and physically prepared on top of having ability just to get minutes

[@elijahmcvae8285]

Look at the bottom of any championship Bulls team, the depth WAS NOT THERE like is in today’s championship teams

[@chitownkidd33]

@@elijahmcvae8285 Rotations in the finals is 6 or 7 guys

[@chitownkidd33]

@@elijahmcvae8285 Finals rotations are slim anyway

[@ShaboPrimetime]

@@elijahmcvae8285 your argument proves Jordan was the GOAT. But when the topic changes to GOAT debate, LeBron fanatics claim the OPPOSITE, stating that Jordan had the best team with the best depth. No standard = no logic for LeBron fans.

[@jayaidsmarstef7340]

@@elijahmcvae8285 lol Toni Kukoc would be an MVP candidate today. Steve Kerr would be a 20pt scorer today. Jud Bruchler would be a 3 n D specialist today, Randy Brown would start today. Bill Wennington would be a stretch 5 today. Jason Caffey would be average about 15pts today. WTF are you talking about?

[@SD80]

When the rules of the sport delete all the physicality then it’s simply “open shoot” 90’s and early 2000’s averaging 30 with hand checking, hard screens, less technical fouls, less ejections, more dunks with and 1’s. Bros getting straight clotheslined or pushed into the ground or out the play. Fights resulted in either foul or double tech rarely.

[@younglove3362]

The physical portion didn't disappear. Players just started shooting better. Blame Steph for that. Before when yall first saw it you were "oooh and ahhhing" now y'all hate it. Get over y'all selves.

[@SD80]

@@younglove3362Incorrect. Physicality was minimized to open scoring across the board. NBA teams in the old eras could score like now….go look at the numbers and analyze. If you release the hang check, post game and impeding the progress of a man driving the offense is untouchable.

[@younglove3362]

@SD80 I looked, y'all were complaining about how rough the fouls were (mainly when it happened to Jordan) and wanted rule changes. Now that we have more offense, with way more better and established players, y'all still looking for something to whine about. The NBA just can't win. If it were me I'd just let it play out while ignoring you whiners and complainers that's stuck in the past and can't get over it or refuse to move forward like delusional nostalgic zombies. 🙄

[@THEBLACCZOMBI]

*Sheed one of my favorite players all-time! I grew up a Knicks fan so the greatest time of my life was the "Ball Don't Lie Era"*

[@MTXSHO9732vV8SHO]

It's was (N)o (B)abies (A)llowed.. YOU GONNA FIND OUT!!! YOU'RE GONNA GET HIT!!! I played in College at 6'4" 235, watching Mahorn, Oakley, Sam Mitchell, Big Cage, Buck Williams, A.C. Green, Malone, Gilliam and all those guys PUT IN WORK IN THE PAINT!!! Man... It was 🤬MEDIEVAL 🤬 IN THAT MUGG!!!

[@jsain360]

You dropped Armon Gilliam, dude was nice

[@BIGDAWG-z4t]

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[@BIGDAWG-z4t]

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[@SDesWriter]

Gil Arenas keeps saying they were plumbers who did NBA as a hobby. What I wouldn’t give to see him test the lane against Oakley…..

[@BIGDAWG-z4t]

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[@jerry2968]

Back then no teenagers were coming into the league and busting people up those cats were grown men they would break young dudes in half.

[@kinsoncooper7333]

Who was broken in half

[@captaindarling9805]

Moses?

[@louky2228]

@@captaindarling9805 started out in the ABA for 2 years

[@kevintowns9552]

Young dudes was coming running circles around those old slow dope heads

[@louky2228]

@@kevintowns9552 you mean just dribbling in circles and then more dribbling!

[@markvilla8703]

Kids these days use the word "SKILLED" as a sub for "SOFT." Bonzi would give today's guards nightmares.

[@nachc6459]

Yup! So would John Starks !

[@markvilla8703]

@@nachc6459 Folks forget Starks was a bad man. Tenacious defender, athletic as hell. A little streaky as a shooter though.

[@nachc6459]

@@markvilla8703 Agreed. And solid too, he took hits and wasn't afraid. It was an era where defense existed

[@akaspon1]

I don’t agree with that man. Why does everyone take nostalgia to a level of tearing down the overall change of the game? That’s like someone saying we couldn’t handle the 1800s because a lot of the ways society changed make life easier and none of us would WANT to relive that period. Some ballers in the 80s were just big strong guys who set picks and hit folks. From that came a change to push more skill but less fundamentals. What holds true is the greats from today or back then are ALL great because they dominated when they played. We gotta stop making this a one-sided argument that no one today can play back then. Ok…sure. If that makes you feel better. No one is making any of yall continue to watch what the game is now.

[@markvilla8703]

@Just4freepremium Keep serving those 20 year olds, man.

[@DSupreme8]

the main reason current players will struggle in the old days is the moving screen. its really hard to get open shots

[@drieey]

Yes! I've been saying that forever

[@MTXSHO9732vV8SHO]

They can't hit mid range shots efficiently now. There were only 4 or 5 jobs coming off the bench as a "3 point specialist" almost like nickel formations in football. Positions 1 thru 5 you'll ALSO need to know how to play with your back to basket, meaning your starting PG should be a credible threat one on one on the block to everyone under 6'6" (with very few exceptions).

[@jekubb4348]

also, in today's game you can't physically stop someone from getting to where there are going! you have to 'ALLOW'' them to get there and contest whatever shot is put up!

[@mediocreukulele7797]

@@MTXSHO9732vV8SHO Back then every position 1-5 has a post up move. That was very basic back then, even the likes of Bill Wellington and Steve Kerr can post up. Now only the superstars has the footwork for the post

[@bluedot6926]

@@MTXSHO9732vV8SHO Dude, Kobe shot 40% on midrange, AI shot under 40%, thats like Westbrook level efficiency, and everyone makes fun of Westbrook cause he cant shoot.

[@vonaroz4354]

Miss the 80’s and 90’s NBA

[@laffo1980]

90% of all rookies back then were coming out of junior or senior year college making them 21-22 yo grown men. Now even college scrubs are trying to be one and done 19yos

[@SDesWriter]

Flagg shows real talent and skill, but he’s already saying he’s leaving after his Freshman year, no matter how he does.

[@laffo1980]

@@SDesWriter yeh it is pretty obvious that the money is the goal for players now not the nba

[@chitownkidd33]

Curry was crying when Dellavedova was being physical with him in 2015, Gary Payton is locking him up.

[@nachc6459]

I remember 😂

[@jayaidsmarstef7340]

Delly damn near gave his life!

[@FireAngelChris]

@@chitownkidd33 Delly literally almost died & was sent to the hospital, they had to put ivys in him

[@hitek9too255]

Gary Payton got crossed over by Jason William just imagine what Kyrie would do😂😂😂

[@jayaidsmarstef7340]

@@hitek9too255 GP backed down JDub, just imagine what Kyrie would do... Oh wait. We see it happening all the time when he gets caught in the paint on a bigger guard.

[@Khaseenwar09]

Nba is weak and soft PERIOD!

[@tys1646]

+ everybody wants to be a scorer

[@prayermadepatna8439]

🎯

[@eib3137]

​@@tys1646that's not the issue lots of people wanted to be a scorer when I played. The difference now is they make scoring so much easier everyone can be a scorer.

[@Khaseenwar09]

@@eib3137 Exactly!

[@Khaseenwar09]

NOBODY PLAYS DEFENSE ANYMORE

[@jackdempsey2497]

How sheed broke down the veteran presence is actually solid. Like since the lack of veterans now. Some team have really young players. The oldest might just be over 30 (prime yrs still). And they don’t want to accept their roles being on the bench. Or being benched period. Now they fighting for minutes.

[@younglove3362]

30 is not a prime year in the NBA That's old. Primes are 25 to 28.

[@robf3902]

It’s a shooters game .. nba front office in the early mid 2000’s started saying “people come to watch scoring” and adjusted rules to increase scoring numbers.. defense took a back seat

[@orlandomagic5750]

yeah i cant forget when charles barkley was asked what will he do if trae young did the foul baiting "sudden brake pull up" while youre on his back. barkley straight up said " he'll be rollin on the floor! thats how physical back then😂😂

[@DeuceTreySniper]

Honestly, all these kids in the NBA rn is talking crazy..they have no respect whatsoever for those who came before them, they are so privileged that they think they can say disrespect things to the elders.. And when the elders responses back, all these kids comeback is "Oh you're just a salty old guy hating on us new generation" when they were the ones disrespecting the generations that came before them..smh

[@davidkacinec7620]

What I find funny is you can make the same comparison between the 80-90's players to that of the 60-70's players. Back then you could only dribble on the top of the ball. Two steps meant two steps not four. Offensive fouls were a real thing. Players would fight , get sewed up and come back in the game.

[@josesantana27]

Nah, 90s basketball players still played under similar rules, hand checking guards the length of the court. Mid 2000s new rules were implemented and the focus offensively was the three pointers.

[@davidkacinec7620]

NO the rules weren't even close. Offensive fouls were common no call in the 90s they were not in the 60s dribbling on the side of the ball and not the top also occurred in the 90s. One extra step was allowed in the 90s that was not allowed in the 60s. And you could not hand check certain players like Jordan.

[@Gojimaru]

@@davidkacinec7620 The 90's were peak high skill meets mental and physical toughness. Simple as that. Today's players skills are better because they're more specialized from earlier age. But they are soft.

[@willingexile3374]

Great points from the panel. Players now are more entitled and expect to be pampered. Skill-wise and physicality-wise, eventually they will adjust to the differences in the rules, though some will cope better than others. I'm sure players who love to handle the ball will be in for a rude awakening when their freedom of movement will be limited by hand-checks and stricter rules on traveling. But many of the players are bigger and stronger now so they will be able to at least handle the increased physicality. It will be more of the grind and playing within a system that will make them struggle.

[@Andre-q5e4m]

I don’t think players are different, the game is different and players adjust to the game. The same way yall had to adjust to the league, they would’ve had to adjust.

[@relaxationandmeditation3607]

You didn't watch the game in the 80's or 90's these guys now are not built like artis Gilmore or dale davis

[@FireAngelChris]

Facts it’s utter nonsense that players couldn’t play back then. Especially considering some of the players that played then

[@ilijakolarovski2813]

​@@relaxationandmeditation3607that's is kind of a point. When people says the game is changed. In today game ( which is way quicker and more in the attacking mode, if you want to succeed, there no plaice for the grit and grind players of the likes of Artist Gilmour or Willis Reed or Nate Thurmond or maybe even Derrick Coleman. Ok maybe , I am wrong , when I wrote that , there is no place for them in the modern NBA. There is. But maybe a limited role. Something alike a Jusuf Nurkić, Steven Adams, Clint Capella and Isiah Harterstain role of play.Not saying that is a good think but the gamed evolved in different direction.

[@Andre-q5e4m]

@@relaxationandmeditation3607 you think players were just born tougher for basketball? Let’s be serious.

[@honorfirst7506]

No. Fans, & players today, talk like, if we sent them into a game back then without preparation, with refs, & that style of play back then, that todays guys would come right in, and look far better back then, than they look today, but that’s pure crap. Careers used to get destroyed when it was physical. The mental toll that takes. Then medicine, surgeries, training was different, 1 injury, and your career was never the same for most guys.

[@ilijakolarovski2813]

The game is changed. Back then ( in KG era and before, was way more physicallyti, today maybe the players fils that they are more skilled.) Because the games shifted more to the offensive side. And is a faster game. But my favorite NBA player, Garnett is dead wrong. When he says the player of this era couldn't play in Kevin's era. And vice versa. All the great could,play in every time in the league. Maybe if they could not adjust, they would, probably not average 30+ points,12 rpg or 10 APG . But they sure would have meaningful minutes in every team at any time.

[@younglove3362]

Or maybe the games more elite and players are more enhanced and getting better than the past. 🙄

[@curryis828]

​@@younglove3362better?? You mean soft 😂

[@younglove3362]

@curryis828 Nope, I'm not a drunk off Nostalgia bias can't get out of the past fanatic like you and the rest of the old heads with Peter pan syndrome who won't grow up. I mean overall better.

[@margarinetaintedgreen8140]

Countering “‘80/‘90s had no skill” with “these guys couldn’t play back then” is just two sides of laughable nonsense. Of course both eras were great, just in different styles. Those older guys would have to deal with everyone (including bigs) shooting tons of 3s, and these current guys would have to deal with hand-checking, higher punishment in the paint, less wide-open driving lanes (more clogged paint), and better post-up scorers.

[@michaeltrenier]

AGREED.

[@icy29]

I like this talk,I am a 90’s-early 00’s kid…NBA is much fiercer back then,…plus you have sheed and bonzi talkin’…w/ KG nd the Truth34…

[@wa798]

There’s no resistance in today’s NBA. Pressure defense exposes what you really are & aren’t. Toronto paid Quickley $175M & he’s a useless hamburger on offense with a defender applying on ball pressure on him. Today’s era is a joke!

[@jredosage1980]

It’s easier to score today than the 90s 80s and early 2000s. Knowing that you don’t get the hard hit, all you do is just go straight to the hoop cuz the paint is open with lesser bigs willing to block shots cuz it’s more of a scoring game mentality than tryna stop the other team from scoring.

[@ihabibrahim8902]

Bonzi would make a great analyst . Logical , balanced ,well spoken

[@SoundBoykillaa]

No uniqueness now There's no traditional big men or point guards All players want to play the same style and just shoot 3s

[@rovy1303]

You don’t watch the games

[@SoundBoykillaa]

@@rovy1303 Yeah ok buddy

[@curryis828]

​@@rovy1303🤡

[@MusicLuv80]

This so true. Every generation before today's kids were tougher. I am tougher than my kids, my dad is tougher than me, and his dad was tougher than him. 90's even in PE class basketball was tougher than today's NBA games. Defense was hardcore and you had to be tough to get through all that.

[@younglove3362]

Are your parents tougher than their kids or all y'all just trained to respect them and are passive with them due to the "honor thy mother and thy father" rule. Because I can tell you that rule means nothing to me.

[@ManuelLopez-x8z]

98-early 2000s was the sweet spot

[@jayhuang9078]

I think it goes both ways. Players of their era, or even themselves, won’t be able to hang now.

[@MarcelOutdoors]

They brought the street play to a professional sport where there are fundamentals and rules and plays.

[@239jangalang4]

Bruh it’s a real headband around a picture attached to a basketball…..y’all boys wild

[@charliewingate1893]

This conversation is getting up there with the Lebron or Mike as the Goat

[@ashleyellis4376]

The game evolves and players will adjust to the era. Players in the hay day could do it now and players now could do it then. The end

[@JamesJordanbestnetworkeralive]

They’re right I’m 36 & not in shape & I’ll go get buckets when I play current D1 players just off of toughness & understanding you only need 2-3 dribbles max to get a bucket & to play physical but smart on defense with the goal of making it tough for whoever I’m guarding to get a bucket kids nowadays lack common sense on the court & don’t have that mentality anymore. When I’m coaching kids nowadays when I choose too 90% of the time I’m coaching them on mindset because it’s all off in this highlight era…

[@CharlesJuliusDelavin]

When physicality remove then everything change! Then they also remove travelling, handcheck and added flopping, triple stepback etc...

[@LanceJ.]

It’s weird that LeBron is in the thumbnail when he dominated Sheed in Sheed’s era.

[@jayaidsmarstef7340]

Bron so old that he played tough back then, bt also became soft after coming back from Miami. He turns it on in the playoffs tho.

[@mr.renaissancemts]

Sheed was on his way out

[@poloregal]

Dominated in whose era? Domination would mean you won a championship

[@LanceJ.]

@@poloregal So they give away championships in the eastern conference finals? Yeah, bet you thought you were smart with that one. LeBron’s Cavs beat Sheed’s Pistons in 2007. Sit the fuck down.

[@LanceJ.]

@@mr.renaissancemts LeBron dropped 32,10,9 on Sheed in 2003. Sheed was on his way out in 2003? Dropped 43 on Sheed in 2004. Sheed was on his way out in 2004? He won the title that year so I don’t think so. Dropped 37,11,6 on Sheed in 2005. Want me to keep going?

[@dme328]

Every generation says that about the generation before 😂😂😂. So funny watching this in real time

[@JDwJC11]

I remember growing up in the 2000s when guards had to be brave and tough to keep driving into paint and challenge the big guys. But now, NBA's freedom of movement rules got guards attacking the basketball without any second thoughts.

[@straightlead8]

Thats a myth. Brave and tough? Lol. Guards drove to the lane all the time back then without second thought

[@jeremyhemp8241]

Sheed broke it down 💯

[@Thiiink]

After that 05' finals the NBA said no more LOL

[@nostalgicgamer1363]

Bonzi was a beast

[@grantreed9899]

Just watch highlights of 90s driving to the cup and then watch todays game where the defenders run away to the 3 and leblown games still flops with no contact. No soft flagrants for coughing near someone back then either

[@AkeemNorwood]

Words matter !!! they said 20 years ago right ?? So all the lebron trolling u can have at but the truth is 20 seasons ago lebron averaged 28 points a game as a 20 yr old in the same league they talking about 🤷🏾‍♂️ 19 years ago he lead the league in scoring 👍🏾 so i don’t think he is who they are referring to in this clip !!!

[@grantreed9899]

@@AkeemNorwood he is mentioned as he ushered in this era of prima donas to where now the league is a joke. His egregious flopping for the majority of his career is documented. There is no question guys from today could play in yester year they may not be stars though and they continually trash their predecessors and dont appreciate how hard the league actually was compared to todays joke of a league. They also claim they're more skilled but its the european stars like joker and doncic dominating the skills side of it. Nevermind the constant pampering they receive compared to catching a bus to an overnight back to back. Words do matter and respect your elders used to be a thing. Now they get paid hundreds of millions of dollars to run their mouth and play half the games

[@robjr6983]

​@@grantreed9899Rent free😂😂😂

[@AkeemNorwood]

@@grantreed9899 i’m gonna respond under the assumption that you are atleast my age meaning you were atleast in high school when lebron got drafted. If his flopping is so egregious & documented & it somehow takes away from the game then do guys like Manu Ginobili & Paul Pierce get just as much flack because Paul faked an injury & was escorted out in a wheel chair ?? I agree Luka & Jokic are outstanding players but for some reason like u mentioned it’s lebron’s fault the rules are the way they are & the game isn’t enjoyable (which doesn’t make sense if you look at how much money they make 🤷🏾‍♂️) yet the NBA adopted FIBA rules so that more Euro players would have a chance in the NBA !! Which loosely translates to “we want more white guys”, which i don’t care because i wanna see the best players. Also what does how much money they make have 2 do with anything?? I don’t know who your team is if you even have one but if they suck i can promise you it has nothing to do with how much money they make. You can not like Lebron james but the one thing you can never ever say is that he cheated the game !! He had a podcast in which ppl whined about it because they weren’t as smart as he was in terms of basketball. Every skill that they said lebron needed offensively because he was always an excellent defender, he worked at which is also very well documented even going as far as work with some of the NBA legends like Hakeem & pat ewing (it’s on video). They said he is responsible for the buddy stuff (which i also don’t get) but were did lebron workout with guys his age or older ?? He taught young stars like KD & PG how to train but he wasn’t working out with Kobe or vince carter or d wade or tim duncan. Even when he was on the heat pay riley got mad because he had his own trainer. FYI sorry for the long response ima truck driver & i can only respond when i pull over 👍🏾

[@grantreed9899]

@@AkeemNorwood race has very little to do with it if at all. It was turned into a soft league to protect the assets and make entertainment rather than competitive bball from the 2010s onwards. You can watch videos on here of the breakdown of comparisons of the eras on AngryOldHoopsFan's channel as he has done all the work to show what i am talking about. I am not saying he is the only one but he is the main catalyst who benefited from the softer league and now is beyond a farce the level of his antics. Also pierce was a joke for that agreed but lebron got carried off for cramps so 🤷‍♂️. While he was brought up, Manu is one of the most underrated and under appreciated beasts of his time. That guy has a record people need to respect including leading his country to gold over the US. He was flamboyant but nothing like a flopper like tony parker or dirk or lebron. Just check out the dunk where he get molested by 3 heat players when the league robbed them with a no call to give lebron his chance for ray allen to step up hahaha

[@keytrixz]

They had enforcers back then..No easy lay ups in the 90s...People like watching that physicality and rivalry... It's the reason why viewership dropped in the NBA in the regular seasons...Everyone chocking 3s and wide open layups.. It's boring now...

[@younglove3362]

If people liked it back then, why were people crying 😢 about the Bad Boy Pistons and changed the rules to benefit Jordan? Just stop ✋️

[@johnstrausbaugh6718]

These are still my guy's. I miss my Rip City Guy's

[@spiritanimaldaniels]

Now it’s seems most can only play one way. If they aren’t the focus they can’t contribute to the team. Shoutout to Andre Drummond, Aaron Gordon and Lu Dort. Guys that make a difference off the ball

[@saroncox4706]

I enjoyed that era. But fans wanted more offense. So the game evolved.

[@spurfan76]

The rules changed to allow this current NBA to have more movement and more flow and space in the game. Like Kenny Smith stated, back in the game, most of these players would be average.

[@gpsloft5868]

Hey Wallace, you were good man but ain’t no way you can stop Jokic lol 😊 happy belated birthday man!

[@curryis828]

🤡

[@v_DICE_v]

Modern players could have played back then but their play would seriously have to adapt. Curry's going to find it much harder to dribble, get open and get a clean shot with the D manhandling him more.

[@chilout2496]

Steve Nash was 5”10 130 pounds and he won two mvps in that era they’re talking about. Iverson was 6”0 150 pounds winning an mvp and carrying the 76rs to the finals in that era they’re talking about btw

[@FireAngelChris]

lol I ignore them mugsy Bogues,Avery Johnson,Calvin Murphy,Earl Boykins & Spud Web played back in the day. These guys were tough but all them weren’t just better & tougher than every player today. Like we have to get real.

[@DerethAC]

You lack knowledge and understanding of the time frame that you're talking about. Nash was a nice player who became an MVP once the hand check was removed. He is the living proof that what these guys are talking about with the softening of the game is true. And I don't even like Iverson and think that he's overrated, but that guy is one of the toughest MFers that ever played in the NBA.

[@FireAngelChris]

@@DerethAC Nash was an allstar & elite shooting player even before. That hand checking is not what opened anything up. It was literally the dantoni system. Also Nash 05 MVP year it was still a styling defensive year. The two best defensive team went to 7 games in the finals. Games were still being played great defensively even up until 2013. Those rules were never going to stick either because more unique offensive talent kept coming into the league.

[@chitownkidd33]

Nash was 6’3 200 pounds, not sure why you weirdos come on here and lie.

[@HiItsme-zu1yz]

Nash was literally the first PG to make a habit of running into the paint only to circle back out to find his shot out the open man. Nash had great balance from skating and prob a but of added toughness too. But that play style allowed him to duck all the bigs ctashing the paint. And it was at the eve of that era into the start of the new. Guys like Bogues and Spud were so quick and shifty they used their size as an advantage, almost like geurilla warfare of basketball. They were also highly athletic and tough dudes. It wasn't 500 dribbles and a bunch of step backs. They had to beat guys off that first step or get a steal and get out in transition. It was a different game then for sure. More dynamic.

[@PreacherLawson]

Get my man a microphone

[@kolade_is_happy]

It’s not complicated. Steph came in and started winning with the running and gunning. Shooting deep shots and making them. Forcing the floor to be more spread out. Forcing guys to try to keep up with him. Other teams weren’t ready to keep up with that style with big, strong, physical players that couldn’t shoot threes. Teams had to change to keep up. Players from 20 years ago couldn’t play at this pace either. They’d get ran out of the gym. Golden state blew teams out in the 3rd quarter routinely because they were gassed. The old era was more physical but not better.

[@richhrite88]

You must not know about the 80s Nuggets or Bucks or hey how about the Showtime Lakers? All has uptempo style off play.

[@jesse7747]

Late 90's and early 2000's were the best

[@Kennyisdarkvanilla]

Let’s be real, in today’s league, Bonzi Wells would be a SF/PF, not a SG. That’s how less physical the league is today.

[@bluedot6926]

A 6-5 210lbs would be a PF? Jamal Murray is bigger than him and he is a PG. Bonzi Wells was literally playing a SF for his first 3 years back then too,he also played SF in 06-07 too. A 3rd of his games he was a SF when he played.

[@jasonlettorale5177]

Sheed was a great player! Niether the NBA or college makes dudes of this structure anymore. Execs at the NBA offices need to let some "Bangers" and defense back into the the league!

[@db3467]

No player today would dare go down the lane against the bad boys

[@mr.badguy..]

I think 50% of players who are starters now would be on the bench back then

[@jordansoviet23]

Or even many of them are playing overseas with some of them playing in the PBA as imports.

[@younglove3362]

You crazy 🤪 The players back then would be on the bench and half of those players back then couldn't play today, especially if they're not athletic or have a shot.

[@heirrose1606]

20 years ago 2004 Hand Checking was banned so these guys are talking about when it already had started getting soft. Before 2004 it was even harder.

[@jordansoviet23]

It came to a point where teams averaged just 91.6 points per game in 1999 season. That was the year which was shortened due to lockout and Jordan retired for the second time.

[@coolmoe3289]

Individual B Ball Skills Is All that's Being Taught in today's time...

[@bonesjackson81]

Very few now coulda made it when the nba was hard and opponents weren't after game dinner/club mates. They were the enemy and hatred was real. Players weren't in it for their fuckin portfolios and how they could market themselves as priority. It was to win at all cost. Wnba fuckin more chippy and hard nosed then the damn nba now. Whack. It's a game I love but barely recognize now.

[@lorenzo22222]

Are they serious? We all know even perk would average 20-10-10 in their era... 20 claps, 10 high fives and 10 handshakes.

[@icewhite5146]

Every time they talk about the old era it’s all about physicality and never about skill

[@sharpimage2265]

That's the problem I have with these conversations. It's basketball not football. All the cherry picking. I've always been of the mindset the all time greats can play in any era. The conversation gets disrespectful when people start elevating random role players/solid guys and saying they'd dominate in this era when they didn't in their own

[@curryis828]

🤡

[@user-fu5zk7hs3j]

It’s wild to hear him say new cats couldn’t play. While at the same time saying he had to learn to adapt. It sounds illogical to think the nba guys of today couldn’t learn to adapt. Everybody era was the toughest. Cut it out

[@yoshikay8787]

The 80’s baby here, and gotta tell yall, the greatest era was the years directly after Jordan’s 2nd retirement. Too many superstar players who were the head of their teams!!!

[@tattsshirtoffblasted7924]

Nobody from this era would struggle they would adapt

[@shurone8829]

They would definitely struggle.. It’s a young man league now. Back then, it was a Grown Man league 35-65 of the guys playing now, would be overseas or not in the NBA.. Fax..

[@curryis828]

Hahahaha adapt of what?? Fucking soft

[@qdakid7776]

Nothing changes but the rules

[@TeacherLegendary]

Lebron is the only one who can answer this question. He was in the league when Sheed was champ with the Pistons in 04 until today

[@jbenz1990]

Jailblazers. These dudes were smoking weed before and after games

[@williamalexander9485]

Oh please in Lebron’s first playoff run he went 7 games against Detroit averaging 26/8/6. His first series against Boston he went 26/6/7 and again went 7 games shooting 27 and 23% from 3 respectively. These players would have been fine

[@dramacydal7204]

Hand Checking was removed after Lebrons Rookie season

[@williamalexander9485]

@@dramacydal7204 Hand checking is so overrated. When you have a handle, hand checking becomes irrelevant. It worked well against back down post up point guards like Mark Jackson but was exploited by guards like Allen Iverson. Besides Lebron was too big strong quick and skilled for that gimmick

[@FireAngelChris]

@@williamalexander9485 lol yeah it’s plenty of guys today this don’t go for like Bron,CP3,Giannis,Curdy etc that would still be elite

[@robjr6983]

​@@dramacydal7204He averaged 20.9 his rookie season, at 18😂😂😂😂

[@robjr6983]

​@@williamalexander9485Kobe averaged 7 at the same age😂😂😂

[@prettyboyrickey]

First off we not gonna let that JT team USA take slide, let’s not forget he had people like Derrick white and jrue holiday get tick before him, there’s no justifying how Kerr distributed rotations.

[@ROM0628]

They did Kobe dirty when he came into the league tho for not allowing him to play as much as he should’ve

[@None-bd2rp]

No way there cowards today they dint even post up today

[@Baneautodetailing]

Stop it! I'm 40 years old and I know these players nowadays would kill the players of their generation. This new generation is bigger, stronger, faster, and more skilled. If Bonzi could succeed at 6'5 210 then you better believe Anthony Edwards could at 6'4 225 with a 41" vert!

[@tylerbriggs310]

I really think this is some bullshit. Players can adapt and its not that difficult to increase physicals. Old school players wouldnt be able to play today due to the superior skill level today

[@younglove3362]

Older player would barely be able to guard today's players. Also, the newer players would out shoot the older players. Back then you could leave a lot of players open. This the stuff old heads are disregarding.

[@johnnythekid4601]

you just said players WILL ADAPT but you also said "Old school players wouldn't be able to play today" well which one is it??? ONLY new school players can adapt???

[@josephharden5592]

A player of Havlicek's caliber would never ride the bench as long as he did with today's mentality... Hell a player the level of Chris Gatling wouldn't even be on the bench nowa😢

[@DaLumpy1]

Can we just finally stop saying these kids who grew up in THIS era, and that if they grew up in THAT era, they would be too soft? If the guys back then grew up in THIS era, they would be JUST like these kids are now. We are all products of our environments!

[@Heatlifer77]

💯💯

[@RC72387]

Every generation complains about the kids before and don’t understand them I hear it with music, sports and god help me politics It will never change

[@robjr6983]

​@@RC72387Exactly, our grandparents thought our parents generation sucked😅😅😅

[@bluedot6926]

@@RC72387 Yeah, there is a quote from Aristotle from 2300 years ago complaining about the youth from that time, and that they werent like that when he was young. Todays players will probably be like these old heads complaining 20 years from now that those players couldnt have played in todays league.

[@phenomfacemob1011]

That's not true. What about all the ppl that grow up in this era that's NOT SOFT. soft and not soft is MENTAL. It's not always about ur environment.. this generation just WEAK MENTALLY. GUYS BACK THEN WAS STRONG MENTALLY

[@MusicLuv80]

People saying Lebron would have dominate the 90's. Not sure because he might be big and strong but he doesn't have that tough mentality. I am sorry to say it but he don't.

[@jasonmoukala8909]

Ok? He still would’ve been amazing 😂😂😂

[@thediseaseisthecure]

@@jasonmoukala8909 Amazing that after 21 seasons, the b*tch still can't hit a midrange jumper

[@eappleby9702]

Its sad that these old heads can literally say ANYTHING negative about this current era and yall will believe it lol.....

[@frostyfeetcards]

This is literally in response to Anthony Edwards saying only Jordan was skilled. That's pretty negative no? Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Thomas, Dr. J, Dumars, Petrovic, Gary Payton, Charles Barkley, Hakeem, David Robinson, Nash, Shaq, Kobe, Iverson, Ray Allen, Grant Hill, Garnett, Penny, Jason Kidd, Drexler, Shawn Kemp, Mitch Ritchmond, Stockton, Malone, Ewing, Pippen, Dirk, Vince Carter, Pierce, Jamal Mashburn, Strickland, Kenny Anderson, Tim Hardaway etc. Why is it that it's only not hate if the new generation disregards history? It's a different game. When they refer to physicality it's not about what the Pistons did. It was just more physical as hands could be put on people, they'd let some stuff fly and people boxed out aggressively. Point is they could make contact to some degree. They aren't talking about UFC stuff. Even you, if you're too young to have watched the game, it's impossible for you to understand. Unlike "old heads" who literally watched all the eras including today's game. The issue that most "old heads" have, is the younger generation telling us how we feel isn't right based on literally only your limited exposure has been. No one is saying the game hasn't changed and that today's players aren't skilled. It's just a viewpoint from seeing how this game is different from the game back then including rules. You can get away with everything today that was illegal back in their days. So for you kids to say people aren't skilled, can't dribble etc. it's just plain ignorance. New gen wants everyone to agree that what they believe is all facts and if they don't, they are casuals.... That's the real issue, you guys don't know how to agree to disagree, how to see other perspectives and most importantly you guys don't know how to respect others opinions. It's always a fight if you don't see eye to eye.

[@user-fu5zk7hs3j]

These comments kill me. No one on here can do what any nba player from any era can do but they’re audacious enough to call these men trash. Stop

[@00Mindi00]

This generation is by FAR the LEAST mature, the LEAST physical, the LEAST defensive. Yes, guys are now more ATHLETIC, but not more talented, because they can do anything they want - there's no defence stopping them, they can travel when they want, they have all the space in every possession that they want, AND the competitive nature of players is almost ZERO, they don't even care about winning.

[@AFATHERSMOVEMENTS]

F DIS KNEW LEAGUE!!!

[@Kobethegoat123]

I thought it was basketball not football 🏈 lol

[@djaftermath4313]

NCA= National Cottonelle Association

[@NovaDexter]

Men vs Soy boys

[@jackjackson404]

Make them kids stay in school and the game will go back to normal

[@dickhardpicard]

20 years ago..they were coming out of high school

[@jjwilliams2581]

They got no callis

[@CandlestickTV]

KG too

[@ryanb2607]

LeBron would have found it harder than most players, honestly. Until much later in his career, he really had NO consistent jumper. It was 100% to the rim. The amount of extra physical abuse he would have taken compared to today's game is literally a multiplier, lmao. Probably cuts his longevity down significantly, along with a nerfing of all of his stats just due to pace and style of the league.

[@Flamangatang]

Sheed is my guy, but wth is he talking about? He went way off subject 😂😂😂

[@allegronontroppo1]

I just don't understand how anyone that knows basketball, and says that in the 90's, any coach was going to let a 6'9" 260lb supremely athletic guy like Lebron stand on the perimeter and shoot 3's. Never gonna happen. Especially since he doesn't even have a midrange shot that is any good. Hes also super soft considering his size, to the point of not really challenging anyone that he doesn't have a clear size advantage over. They certainly wouldn't run an offense through him. Most of the players today couldn't hang in the face of a legitimate defense with hand checking, and a clogged up paint. Not too many of them would want anything to do with a prime Barkley under the rim. Forget about them facing Shaq. The guards would have a rough time of it for sure.

[@allegronontroppo1]

Could you imagine Bronny James facing Ewing, Oakley, and Mason? He's piss his f'n pants (like any sensible person would...lol).

[@romanvercier3556]

Same talk from same old men.. people wonder why young guys start to dispise these old heads… back in my day type shit, game move on

[@johnnythekid4601]

Who started this type of talk? Cousy plays like a little girl, Wilt played against 5 ft 7 white guys... Was it the old heads? NOPE!

[@jbenz1990]

Hashweed Wallace

[@Artemistt_]

Old head summoning ritual bro, tired and debunked narratives about the league, being some rough rider was just an excuse for not being that good or just being big and strong just to be big and strong. We can acknowledge the game was played differently but to assume these ATG like bron KD Steph wouldn’t thrive just a few decades ago is just pure hate

[@jefeseason4990]

Old players just lie about their era all the time. It’s so annoying.

[@casynovids]

Cavs vs Piston 2007 ECF go look at what bron did to sheeds team 48pts

[@jordansoviet23]

You forgot the fact that the 2007 Pistons lost Ben Wallace to free agency.

[@RobertWilliams-qv2iu]

This is not new basketball, the way they play now is how they played in the westback in the day , like Don Nelson Denver Nuggets. The nba today is like watching the old Denver Nuggets. 😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@drewgavin5462]

Guys!!! theres a reason why lebron was able to play for 20 seasons is because he came from a physical NBA to a soft NBA... 2005 is a tough physical nba then curry came and commissioner changed from stern then they changed the rules for steph and introduce the tripple step back.... lebron went through all that.. from physical to soft...

[@Daofro0]

Guess why it became like this though? Isn't it because of the league rules placed to not have things like the "malice in the palace" from happening again? Isn't your generation's fault for the nba being like this now? And you're punishing these new school players for adapting to it? D@mn you old heads are becoming the things you didn't like when it was your time hearing from the older era before you! 🤣🙌The HYPOCRISY is insane!!!!