💥If you enjoy The Great War Channel please consider supporting our crowdfunder: Documentary & Book: The Rhineland Offensive realtimehistory.net/crowdfunder
@shantishan11723 жыл бұрын
XD
@jamescepe75063 жыл бұрын
Still operating
@Benny.132 жыл бұрын
I believe it was inhaling all the chemicals and fumes of bombs and gunfire.Alot of gasses were also unknowingly by the enemy used to do neurological damage mixed with the emotional trauma of war this is your result .
@baroose67 Жыл бұрын
There is new evidence now that the amount of concussion persistent over the career of artillery troops can cause symptoms very close to PTSD and some thought is given to that it may cause chronic encephalitis. So both psychological and physical trauma exasperates each other.
@1969JohnnyM8 жыл бұрын
You cant help but feel extreme pity and sadness for these poor people.
@TheGreatWar8 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's so unbelievable what they have been through.
@jonathanoxlade42528 жыл бұрын
yea well when you go to war one you seen combat throw your life away because after it you might aswel put a bullet in your head how can you live after going through that
@grahamlane1318 жыл бұрын
agreed. a difficult topic highlighted in this episode. full kudos to all on the great war for their endeavours.
@slopcrusher34828 жыл бұрын
John Maddin yeah, they remind me of people with dimentia or some major mental illness, just stairing off with nothing going on in their brain, staggering around like zombies it's very sad how most of these soldiers were just moved aside as not an illness
@pieterjanwillems51498 жыл бұрын
slopcrusher look up on youtube: shell shock. Horrible
@factorscrinium8 жыл бұрын
'A generation of men who, even though they may have escaped its shells, were destroyed by war.' Erich Maria Remarque.
@thatoneradicalizedprussian2257 жыл бұрын
All quiet on the Western front
@petlahk41195 жыл бұрын
This needs to be the top comment, not the person who is being disrespectful to victims of Shell Shock and people who care alike.
@nickb22085 жыл бұрын
Don't forget the women and children and families who's lives were destroyed or forever ruined and the casualties of war.
@shadowthrunight59115 жыл бұрын
"But now, for the first time, I see you are a man like me. I thought of your hand grenades, of your bayonet, of your rifle; now I see your wife and your face and our fellowship. Forgive me, comrade. We always see it too late. Why do they never tell us that you are poor devils like us, that your mothers are just as anxious as ours, and that we have the same fear of death, and the same dying and the same agony - Forgive me, comrade; how could you be my enemy?" This could be applied to modern times, with all the Trumps, Erdogans and Putins in this world who sow hatred
@julz3tt35 жыл бұрын
Hence known as the "Lost Generation"... 😢😢😢😢
@juanaltredo29747 жыл бұрын
war is always hell but the first world war was a truly very special and extreme kind of hell, I dont think europe ever recovered from the sheer horror of that war. I mean it basically lost a generation
@Zer0thehero1177 жыл бұрын
Generations of men were lost in world war 1 and 2
@juanaltredo29747 жыл бұрын
NestR flores agreed, but WW I left a trauma that don't even allows for the usual macho, heroe talk you had in the second WW. It was a silent pact to not talk about it because it was too horrible to discuss. Think about how many WW II comedies were produced so soon after the war, humans still could laugh at the horror, but not many comedies were made about the first one, because the horror still was lingering, like the gas, too present to laugh at them.
@juanaltredo29747 жыл бұрын
***** but thsts because while theres a war going the public rarely gets a fair assessment of the brutality and cruelty of it, only when its finished people can make fair judgements and understand the hell of it all
@mitchellcasetta36557 жыл бұрын
juan altredo that's why the vets and people that died are called the lost generation
@fxzero6667 жыл бұрын
That's why they're called the Lost Generation, unlike WWII veterans who are called the Golden Generation.
@PalmettoNDN5 жыл бұрын
My great-grandfather spent most of the rest of his life after WW1 at the South Carolina Lunatic Asylum. He suffered from shell shock after being knocked unconscious during a wave and waking in a crater with rotten corpses and being stuck there for weeks. Snipers kept him from getting out. Eventually he got back by following a German wave into the American trenches and almost died doing it. As a Native American, he did this all for a country that refused to see him as a citizen.
@doreenperrault8301 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comment. It was very interesting to read
@joergmaass Жыл бұрын
Poor guy! War is terrible!
@PlatinumIrishrose17 күн бұрын
I am sorry. 😢❤
@EPFForsyth3 жыл бұрын
I am a combat wounded US veteran with 5 years and 4 months of actual trigger time. You would not believe what happened to my unit the first time we actually got shelled. It broke men, it made some defecate in their pants, most of us just peed on ourselves a bit, and some just hid the anxiety and developed serious emotional outburst issues later. During training we were never shelled, but the Iraq army had rockets, and a smooth bore artillery that actually out preformed ours in sheer distance. Having to clean up someone you have known and trained with for years and there is only about 10 pounds flesh, bone, and goo left of them is a very difficult thing to come to grips with, as it may be you next... Anyone who starts a war should have to have someone they love on the front lines...
@sashahamilton95502 жыл бұрын
wow, this is heartbreaking. I hope you're doing better
@b-retrogamer2324 Жыл бұрын
Why would you sign up for military? You can’t change anything
@Ditka-89 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your service
@Deathstock Жыл бұрын
Did you end up finding those WMDs?
@mkul7ra_xx Жыл бұрын
@@Ditka-89
@michaelthompson32848 жыл бұрын
I, of course, cannot speak for everyone but, as someone that has been treated in a hospital for PTSD, I have to say that the German method actually sounds kind of nice. Being given a job in a community amongst others who are coming from the same place and being given military-style orders (which for me at the time was what I was most comfortable with in regards to any form of guidance so it would not be unreasonable that German soldiers in 1916 may feel the same way) seems like at least a good starting point to work from.
@Raygun2228 жыл бұрын
I agree.
@IIIIIIII7 жыл бұрын
agreed. when you think about it, the method makes a lot of sense.
@mjinnh21127 жыл бұрын
I thought it sounded like the best treatment too. Beekeeping...
@Raygun2227 жыл бұрын
It used to frighten me, but not anymore, because I have seen that pic everyday. Something way scarier is Black Dahlia or the jawless WW1 guy.
@erikaitsumi71987 жыл бұрын
Michael Thompson yea that treatment sounds relatively nice since they dont get treated wierdly or given electric shock but instead get to live in their little community
@Brandon210-q4n8 жыл бұрын
I think the reason for officers having a higher rate of contracting shell shock or another disorder was because of the added responsibility of being a leader. They're seeing men they lead shredded by machine guns or blown apart by a shell, and just can't hack it.
@anthonydeluca69667 жыл бұрын
Brandon Korner Obviously
@rubenschreuder51966 жыл бұрын
low rank officers where the fits one to get out of the trench so they dy a lot faster
@VT-mw2zb6 жыл бұрын
Or they just survived more often.
@obiwaankenobi44606 жыл бұрын
They feel as if the deaths are their fault. They think they ordered men to their deaths.
@davewolfy29066 жыл бұрын
Officers did not have the same camaraderie and mutual support that the ranks had, they had an aloof and relatively solitary position of authority. They also had a hideous mortality rate.
@diegolavera65087 жыл бұрын
Watching those soldiers trying there best to walk and do normal everyday tasks brings tears to my eyes, truly depressing
@miepmaster253 жыл бұрын
Ok
@tannerthepanman92023 жыл бұрын
@@miepmaster25 okay
@swirlffle83233 жыл бұрын
Wth why are these recent
@speedy42053 жыл бұрын
Ok
@sickeningmisfit98983 жыл бұрын
What’s even more sad about it is that these were young men even teenagers going through all of that.
@lordred41164 жыл бұрын
My mum worked in a mental hospital in the 1950s. She said there were dozens of older men with shell shock, who had been locked away by the government because they were considered an embarrassment.
@u-shanks49152 жыл бұрын
The government officials should be hanged for that
@SandfordSmythe2 жыл бұрын
To be truthful, probably their families didn't want them.
@mattstrathis4328 Жыл бұрын
@@SandfordSmythe Thats BS
@Nunya58294 Жыл бұрын
@@SandfordSmythe idiot
@Jo_WardyАй бұрын
That's fucked up. Get those fuckers in government to go to war and tell us how they feel
@StoryTimeZE2 жыл бұрын
Watching footage of shell shock victims is like watching a horror movie but worse. From the dead eyes, stiff walk, and poor treatment from doctors, it’s horrific to think that this happened to hundreds of thousands of troops during the war, and millions of troops after
@Jo_WardyАй бұрын
And many men were ruined and never came back. They were still at war till they died.
@RRRoyalGames8 жыл бұрын
Poor soldiers.
@raygiordano10458 жыл бұрын
+Spiniosa They are the primary victims of war and even peace. I think of Orwell's "Animal Farm." As soon as their soldier was no longer needed, he was liquidated. Or Kipling. "For it's, 'Tommy this and Tommy that!' And, 'chuck 'im out, the brute. But it's, 'saviour of 'is country,' when the guns begin to shoot."
@supersev20018 жыл бұрын
as my great great grandfather said about ww1 I would rather die then let austria Hungary lose the irony is he survived all 4 years
@supersev20018 жыл бұрын
as my great great grandfather said about ww1 I would rather die then let austria Hungary lose the irony is he survived all 4 years
@bobbyamerican19798 жыл бұрын
+supersev2001 which country did he fight for in WW1?
@RRRoyalGames8 жыл бұрын
Aus-Hun?
@TheColonelMargotic6 жыл бұрын
The german thing with work might actually was a good solution. You see my dad is a Veteran who has PTSD he was wounded and came back home the first thing he done was build a huge farm even though he had a pension when i got a bit older i asked him why he did that he answerd me "Son if i didnt have anything to do i would kill myself"
@julz3tt35 жыл бұрын
The Europeans were much more progressive in their treatment of these poor men, aside from the UK that is.
@Ale-mv3gr5 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same, give a man a clear purpose in life and he will find the will to overcome most obstacles.
@peculiarlittleman53035 жыл бұрын
@@Ale-mv3gr That's very similar to what Victor Frankl wrote, "Give someone a Why and they will find the How."
@peculiarlittleman53034 жыл бұрын
I should have given him the attribution. Ooops! My only contribution was the caps. :(
@superme634 жыл бұрын
I don't have PTSD, or any other illness from war. I have severe, chronic, and debilitating depression and suicidal ideations. People who know that of me, always question how I manage to do the day-to-day tasks of life...and I give them a very padded version of what your dad said to you. I do it to make it to tomorrow.
@johnbrewington25398 жыл бұрын
Ernst Junger in "storm of steel" describes surviving an artillery barrage as like being a man blindfolded and tied securely to a post, while another man swings a heavy hammer at your head. You can hear him wind up and swing, and then Crack! it hits the post instead. I highly recommend the book to anyone wanting an authentic German perspective of the war on the western front.
@TheGreatWar8 жыл бұрын
We will have a special about him.
@kevinwilmot81107 жыл бұрын
Did you listen to that podcast too?
@LukoHevia7 жыл бұрын
His and Erich Maria Remarque's 'All Quiet on the Western Front' are always considered the most important war books by people who fought on the german side. Remarque's is a work of fiction, and it is strongly anti-war, while Junger's is a memoir and it portrays war in a more positive way. Despite their differences in views and style, both have been very influential, and i find them very interesting for those interested in the german perspective
@fatto776 жыл бұрын
One of the finest books I've ever read. Bought it last year and I've read it three time and loaned it to friends.
@anbitye21344 жыл бұрын
I was going to buy it.
@edgleason8918 Жыл бұрын
I have former students who have fought in Iraq and Afghanistan. One of them returned home and his unit was greeted by a throng of friends and family who gathered in to welcome them back. A few men, combat veterans, ran and hid themselves while he repeatedly asked his father if he was really home and if things were really okay. There are also interviews with WWI vets who were then in their 90s or over 100, but could recall what they saw as teenagers with absolute clarity. It never goes away.
@McCbobbish5 жыл бұрын
Soldier’s heart is my favorite name for shell shock. It’s very poetic.
@davisworth51144 жыл бұрын
It's also accurate; "PTSD" robs a person of vitality and will.
@coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc133 жыл бұрын
@@davisworth5114 And leads to cardiovascular disease.
@Lethargie552 жыл бұрын
@@davisworth5114 agree
@VintageLJ8 жыл бұрын
This series is literally the most detailed and educational series about WW1 there is, as far as I know. Covering everything that happens _every week of the war_ is insane, and bloody brilliant!
@TheGreatWar8 жыл бұрын
+VintageLJ THanks.
@notdarell69518 жыл бұрын
yeah might not be WWII but I became fascinated to WWI due to this channel.
@TheFrothyBrew7 жыл бұрын
Check out Dan Carlin's podcast called "Hardcore History". I can't recommend this guy enough. He made a 5 or 6-part series on WWI and each episode is about 4-5 hours long.
@Mike-tw1pi7 жыл бұрын
This series (The Great War) and Indy deserve an Emmy. They need to create a category for best web series, or something similar.
@flipgunderson19464 жыл бұрын
@@TheGreatWar where can I find the photo from the thumbnail?
@hermanPla8 жыл бұрын
'In Russia they were quite forward thinking' Thats a sentence you don't hear every day.
@stefanfilipovits92218 жыл бұрын
Seriously! That's what I thought too. It was weird to hear how progressive some German & Russian treatments were given their authoritarian and iron reputations at the time. I know Germany was pretty progressive in the time before the Nazi take over but still. What a surprise.
@Zamolxes778 жыл бұрын
+hermanPla Russians were forward thinking in a lot of domains - tank design comes to mind, a little later, but on the flip side, backwards in others.
@gregmiller97108 жыл бұрын
+hermanPla only to lose that edge by the bols. revolution.. give them a hearty thanks..
@gregmiller97108 жыл бұрын
***** true dat.. they just got rid of a one that was getting better for one that was worse......
@ramzanninety-five36398 жыл бұрын
+hermanPla is't more unusual to hear it in Russia, believe me.
@RatTalisman7 жыл бұрын
All this footage of how physically disturbed they were makes me want to throw up. Holy shit.
@RatTalisman7 жыл бұрын
Blackball Couldn't agree more.
@erenjeager52907 жыл бұрын
Finn Jenkins it makes me wanna fight for those guys
@sotis17566 жыл бұрын
Odious Ktenology Jup ive made that mistake xD
@conspiracybear15646 жыл бұрын
The comstant thumping down of artilery gave them micro concussions. There eyes sunk then skin tightenes turned white and yellow. They speak in quick short gitty burst like drunks.
@obiwaankenobi44606 жыл бұрын
They were malnourished...they didn't eat...they walked in a zombie-like manner.
@hug04202 жыл бұрын
My father recalls that my grandfather's friend was a Vietnam vet. A Mexican immigrant that was drafted into the war in the 60's. He'd say that even in his 50's he would start screaming claiming that bombs were dropping, he'd start screaming for his life as if bombs were actually dropping. When he moved to Mexico for retirement he was still severely traumatized from Vietnam even 20 years after the war. He was just labeled as crazy and was banned from restaurants in the state.
@mr.sir. Жыл бұрын
At least he wasn't murdered like the USSR did to most of its vets
@mohammedisaa9952 Жыл бұрын
@Vaquero Hugo .... was Mexico really a wise choice when there was/is so many cartell drug killings through street gun battles and explosions going off everyday in many places..... dead bodys left lieing in the street and all of the horrors where gangs chop each other up and leave body parts lieing around to be found............?
@phil3924 Жыл бұрын
My dad was a kid in the 40's and he would talk about some guy in his neighborhood who had this from WW1. Stumbling around and talking to himself.
@SlightIyVicious8 жыл бұрын
I am a twelve year veteran of the US Marine Corps with multiple combat deployments. I suffer from mild PTSD and I was so happy to see you address this subject. I sometimes think people think this is a new phenomenon. my only explanation for this is that because it is such a horrible thing, not only for us to suffer from it, but to the society who is constantly reminded of what their political actions have reaped. I myself do not have as serve a case as many of my friends although I am no longer a fan of the 4th of July and fireworks. But I am getting better. I hope that the rest of society can recognise and approach the subject with the same patience and understanding you have shown in this episode.
@stefanomaccarone46378 жыл бұрын
+Scott Trujillo Hey, thanks a lot for sharing that. Have a great life.
@TheGreatWar8 жыл бұрын
+Scott Trujillo Thanks for sharing and all the best for your future and that of your friends.
@thicctony62366 жыл бұрын
Hey do you have Vietnam flashbacks
@jorgerivera54646 жыл бұрын
Scott Trujillo i
@Eirik366 жыл бұрын
Scott Trujillo rahh what unit were you with?
@nirvanafan211918 жыл бұрын
It should also be noted that often, when shellshocked soldiers were unable to function on the frontline, their COs and other superior officers would have them shot, not even realizing they were in extreme mental distress. Sad.
@Chriscraft-ug3sz4 жыл бұрын
Yes but it wasn’t that plentiful
@davisworth51144 жыл бұрын
@josh There is no evidence to support this. The British shot some men for desertion, they have been pardoned by the UK government, when the French Army resisted en masse in 1917, about fifty were shot.
@ang474 жыл бұрын
@Somarik Green Because that's what those at the bottom are. The day they will be true individuals, who refuse to go to war, they will no longer be cannon fodder. But even today, that's what you, the masses, are :)
@aybrokemyback67394 жыл бұрын
@@ang47 the day that your country will be full of true individuals who refuse to go to war will be the day that your country will be enslaved by non-individualist community's that want to go to war. Like all pacifists you think that you can chose your enemy, but it's the enemy that chose you.
@aybrokemyback67394 жыл бұрын
@@davisworth5114 in both cases those numbers are fake. I know as a french that probably more were killed. There's a story about a commander who used the expression "faites monter la viande" which mean "bring the meat" to call soldiers and launch an attack and it clearly didn't go well with the soldiers There's probably like 400 or 500 killed by peloton for desertion, cowardice etc...
@aboot27547 жыл бұрын
Watching these old videos of people being messed with while suffering from PTSD is hard to watch... great video as always
@caelvanir85577 жыл бұрын
meme Poking at people with what we know today as serious medical and mental conditions like they're curiosities does infuriate me.
@C4RL1NN3 жыл бұрын
You have to learn and have to experiment. If you just left them in bed all day with the lights out and curtains drawn then you’d learn nothing even though they’d no doubt prefer it that way.
@joeldecoster88163 жыл бұрын
why do we watch it, it is a morose form of entertainment
@ecliptic69113 жыл бұрын
Same man..
@OwenPrescott2 жыл бұрын
Now imagine what people of the future will think of our treatments today
@goddessofchaos77546 жыл бұрын
"Young men should not fight old men's wars." -Dalton Trumbo
@vksasdgaming94724 жыл бұрын
@Felix Tofts It is really sad, but only soldiers who fought in a war know value of peace. I mean truly KNOW its value.
@vksasdgaming94724 жыл бұрын
@Felix Tofts Also true and even sadder.
@C4RL1NN3 жыл бұрын
You’re right. Let’s send the nursing homes to fight the battles. Smart.
@urhunn77782 жыл бұрын
Well, who else would fight wars, other than young men? For them it's an adventure, a lot of them can't wait for the oppurtunity to be issued a gun and charge towards the enemy's general direction. We are all barbarians at age 20.
@Aster_Risk Жыл бұрын
@@urhunn7778 Fantastic job completely missing the point of the quote. 👏
@kathyboxx36785 жыл бұрын
My grandfather and his brother fought in the Great War. turns out the brother returned with shell shock, shot his wife who was with another man, the man, and then, himself. Very sad.
@TheMaztercom4 жыл бұрын
going to war and returning to see your wife with other man, i dont blame him, poor guy but, that is women nature.
@stevekaczynski37933 жыл бұрын
@@TheMaztercom Some men at the front received "Dear John" letters and returned to wreak vengeance on the wife and the new partner.
@sosteve91133 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately this happens even today
@Greatergood33 жыл бұрын
@@TheMaztercom please tell me more about women nature. You seem like an expert
@TheMaztercom3 жыл бұрын
@@Greatergood3 i cant, youtube censor what i writte, i dont know why.
@Maluhia8087 жыл бұрын
that's fucking sad how war world 1 veterans deal with this condition.
@goodnoodle43377 жыл бұрын
Maluhia808 most WW1 veterans have passed away now.
@notatumor4337 жыл бұрын
Maluhia808 all ww1 vets are dead
@matthewwinner91977 жыл бұрын
NotaTumor not all
@nyyankees42967 жыл бұрын
yes all
@Griffin41227 жыл бұрын
Think about it. They'd be at the very least 112 years old now. (if they were 14 years old in 1918)
@mick24038 жыл бұрын
We all need to thank them for their sacrifice
@panzer86718 жыл бұрын
for every country...
@mick24038 жыл бұрын
Yes
@UCUCUC277 жыл бұрын
pleese dont be so cringy
@mick24037 жыл бұрын
Fok off
@UCUCUC277 жыл бұрын
The rancho bro ?o-o
@eioclementi13558 жыл бұрын
My friend was telling me about his great grandad after he returned back from ww1 when the coal man would deliver the coal it would make a loud bang at which point he would start flipping over the furniture and hiding under it screaming and shouting . loud bangs and other events affected him till he died his only remedy would be spending all the houses money on alcohol he would drink every day.
@PaulRudd19415 жыл бұрын
This comment made me tear up...
@tuljan44195 жыл бұрын
eio clementi most of the people who survived the war in Bosnia have the same symptoms, even simple sound of slamming a car door can cause people to slightly duck as the sound is very familiar to a mortar shot.
@ryanschuler98275 жыл бұрын
They have a video on KZbin... Poor soldier was unresponsive to all words except for "bomb" and he would do what your grandpa would do..
@harmonizedigital.4 жыл бұрын
I had a mild case of that after a bad car crash. Glass breaking would bring the memory right back. Luckily I got over it and now drive for a living.
@totallyfrozen4 жыл бұрын
Very sad
@Ohnoitsthatguy-6204 жыл бұрын
"three assumptions about personal invulnerability were shattered: the world as meaningful, as comprehensible, and seeing oneslef in a positive light" 100 years later and veterans still feel this.
@preest_nz5 жыл бұрын
Imagine seeing people’s limbs blown off their bodies, blood and entrails everywhere, people constantly dying in horrific fashion everyday. Everyone has a breaking point, the human mind can only handle so much.
@kyleissoco8 жыл бұрын
War.... War is hell.... And hell is war. God bless all veterans. And all soldiers.
@mguangang22396 жыл бұрын
Amen
@acidplatypus52706 жыл бұрын
Kyle Short except terrorists...and militants...and militaries that serve under a corrupt goverment
@raphaelsmithwick43635 жыл бұрын
US is corrupt...
@sosteve91133 жыл бұрын
Amen to that
@abuddyofmine25243 жыл бұрын
@@raphaelsmithwick4363 what makes you say that
@Silky4ever8 жыл бұрын
I had seizures when I came home from Afghanistan, there was no neurological signs, it eventually went away. I was told it was mental not physical. This makes total sense that I went through what every soldier has went throughout the years.
@mjinnh21128 жыл бұрын
+Dylan Galland Debate about whether it is "physical" or "mental" is still very much going on. Either way, it is very real--even if it does go away.
@TheGreatWar8 жыл бұрын
+Dylan Galland Thanks for sharing.
@codiemiddaugh41934 жыл бұрын
The Afghan was is a total joke lmao
@codiemiddaugh41934 жыл бұрын
War
@mojewjewjew44203 жыл бұрын
@@codiemiddaugh4193 This aged well
@RollerPigg8 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the Germans had the best way of dealing with it (?). It would seem like 1) putting these men in an environment where they are amongst their peers with the same issues and 2) giving them meaningful jobs, allowing them to be productive.
@alexporter73798 жыл бұрын
+Joe Stubbernubbensteingenson This is similar to what the US government does for those soldiers, and marines who have PTSD.
@RollerPigg8 жыл бұрын
Des Ires Isn't it amazing how therapeutic simple camaraderie and productivity can be?
@Punisherfan1238 жыл бұрын
I remember hearing about a lot of Germans being ostracized and even executed for "cowardice" and "defeatism" when displaying signs of PTSD. They were often mocked by not only their soldier peers, but even civilians, especially afger the war when many civilians held grudges towards enlisted men, viewing them as responsible for the horrendous state Germany was in, as they were "responsible" for Germany losing the war.
@RollerPigg8 жыл бұрын
Punisherfan123 I can see where that would happen, when you're on the losing side, and your country is suffering because of the defeat. (probably even on the winning side, to some degree).
@TheBoldImperator8 жыл бұрын
+Joe Stubbernubbensteingenson it doesn't help that a lot of German WW1 veterans formed paramilitary groups after the war like the freikorps, the spartacus league (actually formed during the war), and later the SA. Much of the NSDAP's original support and base came from WW1 veterans, and extremist views both on the right and the left were common and becoming increasingly more common over time...
@FREEMAN....3 жыл бұрын
WWI is by far the most psychologically devastating war of all times.
@bubsterjohnson74382 жыл бұрын
Vietnam war was super fucked up too tho
@RigbyWilde2 жыл бұрын
I agree. At least in world war 2, you knew that the Axis were evil and they had to be defeated. In ww1, you dont even know why was fighting
@robertmaybeth34342 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure, they all are, every one... my dad's uncle with the American expeditionary forces got gassed in France in 1918 and survived it, but was never the same. He lived for a few decades and could never breathe right afterwards. And suffered from it, every day until he died.
@reputation19902 жыл бұрын
How
@AgniFirePunch Жыл бұрын
@bubsterjohnson7438 they were similar in some ways but I still think WW1 was worse
@mrfugazi67133 жыл бұрын
Back in 1982 I spent some time in hospital and I met a older man who was suffering from shell shock, believe me when I say this, shell shock is a terrible thing to go through I had many chats with him he was a really nice man and to think that in the First World War he would of been shot for being a coward, it was disgraceful to even think to shoot those poor boys.
@hlynnkeith93348 жыл бұрын
My uncle came back from the Second World War with shell shock. For the rest of his life, his right hand trembled (zitterte).
@megawave793 жыл бұрын
@@Doesitmatter00710 what?
@kenlucas54742 жыл бұрын
@@Doesitmatter00710 WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU!!??
@snaek2594 Жыл бұрын
@@kenlucas5474 what did they say
@Mars_junior7 жыл бұрын
I can't help but shed tears for these men. Hero's with the strongest will, broken by an unknown fire from the skies. I watched my police officer father become debilitated by an awful cancer and the effects of having a strong will but a mind and body that cannot keep up eat at the heart and soul.
@_lambert_17858 жыл бұрын
One of my relatives got shell shock in the first world war when he was buried alive by a shell. He was luckily found but because of internal organ injuries he was told that he would only live to 25 or so, despite this he lived to the ripe old age of 70. He still had shell shock though which caused him to have nightmares and he would wake up screaming because of this.
@bobhayett23766 жыл бұрын
One of my friends when I was young had a father who was a bombardier in WII over Germany. The bombers were constantly attacked by German fighter planes and flack guns. My friend's father had nightmares and would often yell in his sleep about the German attacks. Stress in war goes well beyond what some men can endure without some level of permanent damage.
@steve58253 жыл бұрын
As a child I never understood my grandfather‘s odd behaviour. Many, many years later talking with my now elderly father our conversation turned to my grandfather. My dad’s eyes started to well up and told me that although his dad survived the war (WWI) without physical injury he was still a casualty of it. He said he had undergone electric shock treatment, as he was suffering from shell shock. We, who never experienced the horror these men went through, can never truly grasp the effect it could have not just on the mind but the body also. So many lives wrecked directly and indirectly by the most ugly facet of humanity.
@xcesar4impx6667 жыл бұрын
Iam an Afghanistan U.S . Vet. OEF.2008-10. infantryman 82nd airborne. and this video. means alot to me. thank you. comming home was very hard , and alot of the things mention here are very true. in combat we are all not afraid but , we are all clenching at the anticipation of the blast from the IED. or the sniper shot. or you're eyes moving everywhere without missing a tiny detail. a detail that can cause your or the rest of the guys in the Humve .their lives , but the one thing that keeps you bonded and not fully afraid is the thought that your not alone and that your are amongst brothers that will give their lives for yours and yours for their. thank you for a very educational video . that unless your a train Dr.or a combat veteran. you will never know what's like to come home with your duffle bag with a few demons.
@wendysw7145 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your service. I hope you are doing well.
@sirandrelefaedelinoge4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for serving. I suffer from CPTSD too. I hope you get the treatment you need. Be well...
@kananpreetkaur34854 жыл бұрын
thk u so much for your service
@berzerker11004 жыл бұрын
AIRBORNE & Geronimo ! 🇺🇸🎺🥁
@prixred803 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your service and I hope you are doing better.
@adamd0ggg27 жыл бұрын
The German treatment plan doesn't seem that bad. Giving soldiers treatment while the soldiers were still able to contribute to the state. I think it was important for most of those soldiers to feel like they were contributing.
@kanegarvey31883 жыл бұрын
Yes and paying them for their labour instead of making them feel pitied
@Tmanowns Жыл бұрын
Granted, it was 1910's factory work, so it was grueling stuff, but I do think the feeling of being a burden goes a long way to making lots of veterans feel worse, even today.
@joshobio98 Жыл бұрын
@@Tmanowns your spot on I think. As grueling as the work was I think just being productive and contributing in some type of way as apose to "pointless work" was an awesome way to go about things. As back and forth as the process was to get these soldiers the help they need.. I think this was a pivotal point and layed a few tiles of foundation to work and build from. Would be so fascinating to have a time machine to see the development first hand!
@opperbuil8 жыл бұрын
Great work, Indy! After 1 1/2 years of Great War videos, you still get even better.
@TheGreatWar8 жыл бұрын
+Opperbuil .NL Thanks.
@acuerdox8 жыл бұрын
+The Great War when all of this is finished. You should see to it that the whole of it can be bought virtually and physically. So as to preserve it for posterity. Engaging education, such us this one, is very important.
@dgunn44088 жыл бұрын
+The Great War Agreed. This is hands down the best and most accessible delivery of WWI history I've encountered in three decades of life. It's also one of my favourite channels on KZbin. Keep it up, man!
@stephenfennell75023 жыл бұрын
As a man dealing with PTSD I even now cannot imagine the horrors and insanity of the great war. Thanks for bringing up the genesis of it all and how we all are wounded by conflict.
@kimberlyparrish75225 жыл бұрын
I saw a short film on this at high school, many years ago. And to this day, I will never forget it. Every student cried and when the bell rang, not one word was spoken. That day we saw what war really was and whats evils of the world really were.
@u-shanks49152 жыл бұрын
What was the short film?
@kimberlyparrish75222 жыл бұрын
@@u-shanks4915 Sorry it was 1985.. lord knows i wish i could remember the name.
@u-shanks49152 жыл бұрын
@@kimberlyparrish7522 May you at least describe the scenes Any connections with the old teacher?
@mohammedisaa9952 Жыл бұрын
@U-Shanks ..... dont go digging, she dosent want to talk about it, and she gave you a polite "brush off", ofcourse she remembers, how could one forget? i watched threads as a teenager and ive never forgotten about it...... Please have alittle respect for someone older than yourself.
@1Nova_Nova1 Жыл бұрын
May i have a link?
@Tommy-dz3do8 жыл бұрын
Your channel as being booming with the realese of battlefield 1 trailer...your videos are very well made and interesting.
@501lilspoon8 жыл бұрын
really
@LeeEverett15 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: The Great War actually helped make the Codex entries in Battlefield 1.
@angels2online8 жыл бұрын
Fuck, the guys just wobbling about like that, it looks horrific. It actually made my eyes water up.
@lesliemotorsport80777 жыл бұрын
Cleaveage Tenshi same
@redoxam7 жыл бұрын
Cleaveage Tenshi it’s horrible, it makes me so sad.
@DrummersHell968 жыл бұрын
As a Medical student, I've been waiting for this topic! Please, do more episodes on what life was like in a field hospitals, Front lines etc. Great episode :D
@TheGreatWar8 жыл бұрын
+Mass Percussion We will
@colinkelly54208 жыл бұрын
+Mass Percussion If you want an excellent book on the subject, I'd recommend "Wounded: A New History of the Western Front in World War I" by Emily Mayhew.
@DrummersHell968 жыл бұрын
+Colin Kelly Thank you, I'll be sure the check it out +The Great War Cool!
@six2make45 жыл бұрын
I remember reading this book a long time ago, apparently it's a real biography of this Austro-Hungarian soldier, he talks about how his captain got his two or three only sons in the war with him. All the sons die, the captain acts like nothing has happened, the soldier writing the book remarks that he didn't think it was because the man didn't care about his sons, it was because he was a great leader who couldn't let morale drop. This should be obvious, but that's kinda when it really hit me, why officers may come out really fucked up.
@davisworth51144 жыл бұрын
Read Karl Marlantes .
@KP-ej7gc5 жыл бұрын
I went through something very traumatic that lasted 24/7 for a month and a half. I was temporarily left with PTSD. People don’t realize that PTSD isn’t just flashbacks. It’s extremely physical in nature. The way it effected my body was far worse than any flashback, in my opinion. About a year later, I started dying. I had thyroiditis, and the symptoms were so bad that I nearly had a heart attack before being put on meds for my thyroid. I had debilitating tremors. I was so physically sick that I couldn’t work for 6 months. Thankfully I’m fine now, though whenever I experience stress I still get debilitating tremors. I experienced that trauma at age 20 and was diagnosed with thyroiditis at age 21. I am a 22 year old woman now. So when you mention the cardiac issues after experiencing war, understand that trauma and PTSD often lead to disease in the body such as thyroiditis that will end in a fatal heart attack without medication. You may survive the trauma, but will your body survive the aftermath?
@applejuice94688 ай бұрын
i'm so sorry. Thank you for educating through sharing this
@captainandthelady8 жыл бұрын
My son has PTSD from the first Gulf War. Not as bad as shown here thank goodness. He has it under control now but knows that it's just under the surface and leads his life accordingly. If you get a chance, watch George Carlin's routine about shell shock.
@uegvdczuVF8 жыл бұрын
+captainandthelady LOL thanks for the tip, i loved his stand ups but i somehow missed that bit. btw when i got back home i used to sleep in my military sleeping bag on the floor next to my bed for almost a full year...
@arthurc19716 жыл бұрын
uegvdczuVF I know this is old but wanted to share...when I came home I slept outside in my sleeping bag. My parents thought I was insane.
@TheTrueMattiMan5 жыл бұрын
@@uegvdczuVF "LOL"
@hovanti5 жыл бұрын
I was there, too; I wish your son all the best.
@proxel968 жыл бұрын
As a psychology student I found this episode very intresting. Although I do with all of this channels content. Thanks guys!
@TheGreatWar8 жыл бұрын
+Proxel Thanks!
@greenlaw65038 жыл бұрын
+The Great War "should be a an entire documentary series in itself"
@bdiraa8 жыл бұрын
+greenlaw well i mean, this channel goes through it week by week as it happened 100 years ago so... I doubt there anything more detailed than that... lol
@jaxone26398 жыл бұрын
same here. I was just doing research on the history of ptsd when this came out
@richardbriley80728 жыл бұрын
WW1 Has only been briefly mentioned in any of my history classes from elementary until now. And with the release of Battlefield 1 soon (which I intend to get)my interest definitely has grown. this was a really well made video and was very informative. I'll be sure to subscribe so I can come back and watch the rest of your videos.
@TheGreatWar8 жыл бұрын
Welcome to our show.
@jackwong83938 жыл бұрын
+The Great War great vid
@ozzyjames878 жыл бұрын
+The Great War All of those "treatments" reeked of the quackery found in the insane asylums of that time period.
@stevenmtaylor218 жыл бұрын
+ozzyjames87 the history of psychology and therapy has a really dark history. The relatively good care of people now with issues is actually a recent thing.
@IdesofMarch2238 жыл бұрын
I'd say it is a good thing, sad yes, but I'm glad a game like Battlefield 1 brings attention to a war almost forgotten by many today
@markhodge5006 Жыл бұрын
My dad fought in Korea and one of the Frozen Chosen, where a lot of US soldiers died from the cold. I remember as a young boy, that he'd have nightmares, yelled, talked and cried in his sleep. He always had to be doing something and he hardly ever sat down and relaxed. So sad 😞
@chriscraven93354 жыл бұрын
Over the centuries, I wonder how many soldiers had been summarily executed by their own side, due to 'treason' or 'cowardice', when they had PTSD...?
@aickavon3 жыл бұрын
From what I understand. A lot of Irish people were.
@mohammedisaa9952 Жыл бұрын
Also russians, from what i have read in the comments, but today cowardice in the russian army is not punished on the soilders, but on their families by poo-tins kgb, where people magically disapear in the night never to be seen again, and new families take over the homes, their old homes are filled with Ukranians that have been captured by the russians and moved to the urils or somewhere far far away........ thats poo-tin efficency
@tristan2193 Жыл бұрын
If it helps, from what I have read and understand, most of that stuff occurred at the very beginning of the war. Surprisingly, the mental health effects were very closely studied and rapidly began being understood in such fashion that MOST of the time, especially in Germany, the idea that PTSD developing soldiers were just "cowards" who deserve execution for treason stopped almost entirely. There was a LOT of shuffling soldiers in and out of the front line that basically corresponded with how much they seemed to be developing negative psychological effects. Mental health, and the strain of being on the front lines, was taken VERY seriously as the war dragged on. In fact, especially in the Western Front, many soldiers would not have to spend more than a week in the front line before they were rotated back to the reserve line.
@maracaibostar8 жыл бұрын
For the Italian viewers: there's a great documentary about the shell shock. It's called "Scemi di guerra ". About 45 minutes long, worth viewing
@PotNanny8 жыл бұрын
One of the best episodes indeed. Those assumptions at 9:04 are a bone chilling reminder of our own "sense of self" and how vulnerable we really are. Makes me think...
@WhiteWolfLIT8 жыл бұрын
+Lucas I butts
@UnsounderGnome8 жыл бұрын
One of the scariest things about World War 1. Glad you did a special on it.
@thecardoski6 жыл бұрын
My great-grandfather lost his leg in the 2nd Boar War but lost his mind in the 1st world war. Died 8 years after it when he had enough.
@dreadpiraterobertsii44205 жыл бұрын
British: medicine Germans: fresh air and farm work Russians: medicine+ communism Italy: more combat (for some reason) France: “Pierre get le jump cable”
@wiemarball89664 жыл бұрын
I think
@michaelward98804 жыл бұрын
What about the U.S.A.?
@doeweeyah12364 жыл бұрын
@@michaelward9880 usa is too late to have a problem like them
@dorianphilotheates37693 жыл бұрын
Dread pirate Roberts II - Greece: roast lamb and olive oil.
@dreadpiraterobertsii44203 жыл бұрын
@@dorianphilotheates3769 making my mouth water just thinking of it
@will2Collett8 жыл бұрын
My Grand father fought at Ypres, he rarely talked about his experience, but I could always tell that it was an experience no one can describe. These video's show much of the real brutallity of that war.
@Jack-M19515 жыл бұрын
Same. Mine I think lied about his age. He fell at Ypres.
@aaronwest10558 жыл бұрын
I never knew there were symptoms beyond the psychological, thank you very much for making this video and informing folks. As always, you're doing a fantastic job.
@Kinglorrecom8 жыл бұрын
The Great War going beyond the tour of duty again to bring us all aspects of the War. Gud'job gents!
@TheGreatWar8 жыл бұрын
+Kinglorre Thanks
@Kinglorrecom8 жыл бұрын
I'd like to thank you too Flo. :P
@TheGreatWar8 жыл бұрын
Kinglorre Haha! Thank you.
@calebdehart66516 жыл бұрын
It's weird how my friends that came home with physical injuries seemed better psychologically than those of us that were just emotionally scarred.
@antoinelachapelle3405 Жыл бұрын
Survivor's guilt maybe ? You're home in one piece while others are dead / crippled, it takes its toll
@johndicus123 Жыл бұрын
@@antoinelachapelle3405 perhaps also the thought that the physically injured are recognized as having been injured. The mental issue is not properly recognized still by most people, this compounds the issue.
@Aster_Risk Жыл бұрын
@@antoinelachapelle3405 Also, it might be easier to deal with a tangible physical injury that you can see and feel and know there's a treatment for in some way. As a person with mental illness, it's frustrating to always feel like the treatment attempts are a shot in the dark.
@seanmccuen69706 ай бұрын
@@Aster_Risk I too deal with chronic (and rather 'severe') mental illness. I think you're probably spot-on here. best of luck to you.
@GeorgeAusters4 жыл бұрын
Could you even imagine being in a muddy trench for months on end eating out of a tin and living off a couple hours sleep per night?
@sniperelite3604 жыл бұрын
@2manynegativewaves They where still in the trenches when they where rotated.
@stevekaczynski3793 Жыл бұрын
British troops were rotated regularly, which may have prevented mass mutinies breaking out like those that affected the French in 1917. All troops on the Western Front were rotated on either side, spending some time in the rear with its improved living conditions compared to the trenches. But the British sent men to the rear more often and more regularly.
@debraleesparks7 жыл бұрын
My father was hurt, at Omaha beach, w.w.11... He spent the rest of his life in and out of State Army hospitals, and had electroshock therapy three times... he tried to kill my mom, and us kids when he had flashbacks.. so, it’s not just the solders who suffer from shell shock.I’m almost 62 now, and still feel bad about not having a sane father, my whole life because of the war.
@philipians16358 жыл бұрын
makes me sad "The impact of these recurrent traumatic dreams and fragmented sleep, which are today recognized symptoms of PTSD, devastated even the great Achilles."
@suzannakoizumi86054 жыл бұрын
My father was in WWI. He fought in the US Army all across France. Most of his fellow soldiers in his NY 14th engineers did not make it unscathed. But was told that he
@suzannakoizumi86054 жыл бұрын
I was told that he was shell shocked.
@youknow22710 ай бұрын
@@suzannakoizumi8605How old are you???
@murraybartlett4571 Жыл бұрын
I watched a documentary series on the great war not long ago. One of the saddest stories was of one soldier, he had gotten disoriented and seperated from his group. He was found lost and confused, The Officer in charge of the group that found him. Had the soldier shot for cowardice.
@jerodsmyrl24883 жыл бұрын
Man, in hs and most college history classes I've been to anyways very very rarely discuss or went over anything of ww1. This channel has taught me alot so love this, thanks
@airborneshodan8 жыл бұрын
As a PSTD casualty of the war on terror, it is amazing how similar things are today.
@robert.257 Жыл бұрын
It's hard to imagine, you have been in your trench for hours listening to shells exploring all around you. Then you hear a officer's whistle to go over the top. My papa fought with the Gordon Highlanders in WW1. He joined right away he was 15.
@wilsonb11213 жыл бұрын
I can’t imagine what these young men went through. Incredible
@aliasunknown74762 жыл бұрын
I have PTSD and the repetitive concussion shockwaves that hit your head during a motar attack regardless of if your in the killzone is mentally debilitating and has caused me to have what I call Shell Shock Headaches. These headaches render me immediately combat ineffective and I left the army 15years ago.
@Morisu-Chan2 жыл бұрын
I still can't believe how even tho they had shell shock and was suffering, many people still looked at them as cowards.
@YYaMataSula8 жыл бұрын
Yep, when I was a kid and asked about my ancestors who fought in WW1 and WW2 my grand-grandpa's case intrigued me the most as all my relatives were telling me that after the war, for many years he could barely walk or speak, after some time I realised that he actually had shellshock! Interesting is that he did cured and he even became mayor of the village in wich he was born. He also been decorated and received land from the King Ferdinand of Romania. Some peoples with whom I had the luck to speak told me about all those intense artillery shellings and how the battlefield sounded like. What struck fear into soldier's heart was the sound of the enemy or friendly artillery, way before the shell falls you hear first a strong sound like if, imagine you beat into your wall with your fist or when your neighbour from above you hits his floor, it's a "Doom, doom" sound but you feel it into your chest and your blood in your pelvis gets very cold...Now multiply this as some artillery shellings went in some cases non-stop.. This is what mostly caused shellshocks, not the shell's explosion how many would think. It's that frightening moment when you hear enemy arty starting to hammer the skies with their sounds because u know u basicaly wait for death to land in few seconds near your or right on you... You can also go check clips filmed in Ukraine or Syria there's lots of shellings going on there to get an ideea... And if u ask me about WW1...it was a war between cousins and I really hope this wont happen again. It was an useless war. :( RIP.
@julianpolzin44048 жыл бұрын
As a therapist, I got to say: Very well done. I was intrigued by the British view point, where ambivalent feelings of duty and fear were described as part of the cause. Sometimes dissociative convulsions can be a sign of being torn apart on the inside by a massive feeling of ambivalence and the nervous system trying to release some of the trapped energy by compensating through convulsions, which can look a bit similar to epileptic seizures. Freud would have described as a type of conversion disorder, where psychic energy is being subconsciously transferred into physical symptoms in order to not have to face the psychological conflict.
@TheGreatWar8 жыл бұрын
+Julian Polzin Thanks, glad you liked it.
@christopherwilliams78458 жыл бұрын
Here's a question for out of the Trenches: What were the lives of the Slavs in the Russian Empire like under German occupation?
@timdewit60888 жыл бұрын
+Kaiser Chris Perhaps they'll go into that a bit more when we enter 1917, and the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk gets signed.
@Teebs1318 жыл бұрын
+Kaiser Chris Would the Polish be considered slavs? if not it should include them too.
@timdewit60888 жыл бұрын
Teebs131 Poles are Slavs to be sure.
@christopherwilliams78458 жыл бұрын
+Teebs131 Poles are considered to be Western Slavs like the Czechs, Slovaks, Bosnians, Serbs. That's why many Polish people were killed in the Holocaust even though a majority weren't Jewish.
@sergioandresbenitezhernand25427 жыл бұрын
Slavs? They were squatting and dancing hardbass like if there was no tomorrow.
@philgiglio79223 жыл бұрын
A careful reading of the Odessy shows clear descriptions of what we today call PTSD...shell shock. It's not a new malady or unrecognized
@marcusj28924 жыл бұрын
Fascinating how different shell shock was viewed from country to country. Great show!
@Jack-uc8mx7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! I have to write a synthesis essay where we get to explore a topic of our choice and I chose the psychological effects of war on the soldier. The funny thing is I just saw this video in my recommended without even searching anything up! I am definitely referencing you in my paper. I watched this video and now I can't stop watching your vids! I love your videos and I can't wait to see the new content!
@TheGreatWar7 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the show.
@ShubhamBhushanCC8 жыл бұрын
I have grown to love this channel in 2 days and I think it's absolutely beautiful and the horrors of Trenches cam alive in this video. It just made me think of the Counts and Field Marshals sitting in their offices sending poor men, boys rather to die for "King and Country"
@TheGreatWar8 жыл бұрын
+Shubham Bhushan Thanks and welcome!
@TenmaFN3 жыл бұрын
I am a vet(OIF), diagnosed with PTSD here is my feedback, some of the symptoms i experience are catching a glimspe of people in the corner of my eye or shadows, flashbacks (I was a medic) intrusive thoughts that put me back in. Hyper vigilance, combat mentality, a pin can drop and im fully awake and in combat mode... when i drive or ride with others I am scanning for IEDs. I can not deal with crowds of people due to my unrelenting need to see peoples hands in full view, When i enter rooms i scan or items to use as weapons. I can not sleep in my bedroom and I am more comfortable sleeping on my couch as i can see the front door. I can not maintain a consistant sleep schedual. Here now over 10 years after leaving service it persists. These things have damaged having connections or relationships with others, and in most cases I would rather avoid others as much as possible. I have to keep my mind busy at all times, video games, woodworking, working on cars, ...anything.
@johnminer14073 жыл бұрын
As a Corpsman with the Marines, I've seen this. Training before battle helps, but it is real years after the battle.
@kaziiqbal72575 жыл бұрын
The analytical treatment mentioned at 4:08 is actually called psychoanalytic treatment and the talk therapy is part of it (although talk therapy is also utilized in humanistic treatments). Your descriptions for both were accurate.
@yelnatswaltuo8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this episode. Many of us understand the damage done to the mind by war.
@samcocking65237 жыл бұрын
My Great great grandfather went to France and came back shellshocked
@dingowendingo75727 жыл бұрын
Sam Cocking my great grand fathers relative, i think it was his cousin, was forced to join the US army in ww2 and he was never heard from since he left, he died in war
@erenjeager52907 жыл бұрын
Sam Cocking i don't kno how to say this but I'm sorry to hear that
@chornethefirstborn17686 жыл бұрын
My Great-Uncle went to Vietnam and came back seemingly normal. He was unscarred, was making jokes, playing with his kid etc. He taught my mom to drive. Then, one day, while his wife was out and his son was at school, he hung himself in the house. The discovery REALLY screwed my uncle up when he came home. (first cousin once removed, technically, but who cares.) Turns out he had survivor's guilt. He didn't want to stress our family out so he simply decided to go quietly enough and leave a note.
@thevacuumtubejunky97746 жыл бұрын
Sam Cocking : My Grandfather went to France as well, but he never returned.
@crimfan7 жыл бұрын
I highly recommend reading *Trauma and Recovery* by Judith Herman, MD, for a really powerful history of "shell shock", "battle fatigue", and so on, leading ultimately to PTSD, and the shameful way of how civilian society kept turning away from the impact of trauma after the war. We keep forgetting and I think we sadly will with veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, to say nothing of the civilians in those places. Later on doctors have realized there's a deep connection between PTSD and traumatic brain injury (TBI) so in a sense things have come full circle and really seen how embodied the mind really is. Things aren't "just" psychological or "just" physical and PTSD gives us a window into how important that is. The different views has some understanding, if incomplete. Pity that so much of the treatment was so cruel. Indy, I hope you end up doing a series on this topic. I really feel that your treatment of the war has been extremely good and I think you and your team would do a great job with this important topic.
@tommyatkins24463 жыл бұрын
As a Great War living historian, Indys programmes are a constant source of knowledge.
@Artemis49 Жыл бұрын
I’ve always wondered how shell shock differs from PTSD. The early WWI footage of soldiers shaking uncontrollably is haunting. Although still traumatically scarred, soldiers from other wars didn’t seem to exhibit that shaking.
@zzbudzz Жыл бұрын
I believe very few soldiers experienced such massive artillery bombardment as soldiers of WW1 . The Ukrainians might be getting a taste of WW1 artillery effects right now.
@chrisreynolds6143 Жыл бұрын
There are a lot of things that are different about WWI that could contribute honestly. Very lackluster troop rotation led to many being on the front lines for years non-stop and being subjected to constant concussive barrages could have had large affects on the nervous system. I think that's the prevailing theory at least. There's also a correlation to the extreme shell shock we're referencing and soldiers being buried by shells, I can't remember where I read it but I can try and find it if you'd like. I often wondered if it were something like 'sea legs' where the body and brain get used to standing and walking on a constantly moving plane and when that motion is removed there's a bit of lag with the equilibrium and body still correcting. In this instance it could be the constant shaking of the ground as well as exposure to a plethora of psychological trauma. It's a very interesting albeit sad thing to try and figure out.
@petemiller25989 ай бұрын
@@zzbudzz Spot on. Nothing has compared to the infamous 'creeping barrage' of artillery in WWI battles like the Somme and Verdun, either before or since WWI. During WWI, the modern industrial base to manufacture shells, paired with lack of air power to degrade artillery, meant that it was a "perfect storm" to have these artillery barrages that could and did go on for *days* without even a minute's interruption.
@ridleyroid90606 жыл бұрын
God, watching these clips is just heartrending. I had NO idea that there was a physical aspect to shellshock, and that the soldiers would barely be able to MOVE because of it. Horrific stuff.
@ToreDL873 жыл бұрын
Yeah it makes us understand why WW1 started out as a mobility war and why they wanted to get it over and done with as quickly as possible. Even if it meant a slew of casualties right away, everyone would have been better off for it. WW1 is the reason why mobility warfare is so popular today, and why politics are berated for bringing mobility warfare to a grinding slugfest: It's an almost unbearable cost on humanity.
@shamanplaysgames17937 жыл бұрын
When you return from present-day war, they sit you down with a psychologist. He asks you "What did you do?" "What have you seen?" "Is there anything you struggle with?". After that, its up to yourself to notice. It can set in weeks, months, years, decades after you return. These casualties still exist in the hundreds of thousands today, and do not get the respect and care they deserve. Here's to you,fellow veterans all over. Thank you.
@rorylabine71437 жыл бұрын
I'm super interested in this channel now that Battlefield 1 is out.
@TheGreatWar7 жыл бұрын
And you are not the only one.
@freakgurung82997 жыл бұрын
Rory LaBine so true i am also so interested in these after bf1
@martinschou53517 жыл бұрын
Is there any data on any of these treatments? I mean, todays doctors and psycologist are still struggling to treat PTSD - I'm just curios whether they actually had succes with any of these treatments? I'm especially thinking of the German solution in terms of labor-force. I could see how a secure and predictable enviroment could have helped these veterans...
@boundarysentinel41812 жыл бұрын
Not just soldiers suffered this, my Grandfather in England had a neighbour/friend who served in the home guard running a battery during the Luftwaffe London bombing campaign, he woke up screaming many years after the war recounting Stuka dive bombers attacking his position in his dreams almost every night of his life. Untrained civilians definitely suffered these mental consequences alongside their military brethren. Great topic!
@vonMohl3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for addressing this very serious and often occulted problems; many WWI had post-war nightmares, slept under their bed out of fear, etc...
@janeyrevanescence128 жыл бұрын
I remember taking a class on the psychology of stress in college and the effects it has on not just your mind and your body and our professor talked about the theory of how while our technology has advanced, our hardwired status hasn't caught up and we still react to situations as if there's a sabertooth tiger chasing us. The bad news is that we don't have sabertooth tigers chasing after us but when we're stressed out repeatedly, we have real problems.
@nirvanafan211918 жыл бұрын
I took an abnormal psychology course in college (just as an extra credit thing, because mental illness is fascinating to me) but we never go into any of that. Mostly drug addiction, schizophrenia, etc. But yeah, I've heard of the theory you described and it is such a fascinating one. The fact alone, that we've accomplished in 100 years, things that no other species on this planet has ever had the capability of even comprehending is just crazy. This is one of the reasons why WWI may be the most interesting war for me. Soldiers able to mow down 500 men in as little as a few minutes, because humans had yet to evolve with the machines they were using. The psychological toll that implies is astounding. You have to feel for what those men (myself now much older than they would have been) went through.
@mohammedisaa9952 Жыл бұрын
@Josh .... using your quote, "500 in a few minuites" ...... imadgine how many times a day those "few minuites" would occur, than...... over how many days in a week, weeks in a month? You would have a pile of bodies as tall as a building in a few weeks, maybe even days, mountains atleast,...... then sent back for a weeks leave, then back again for a few months....... just watching the bodys spin and fall, like a strange kind of dance and you were the conducter........... untill ofcourse, your machine gun blocks, wont un-sieze, then your parents get that "im sorry...." letter they all dreded.... not knowing that your mates had to scrape small parts of you off the leaves of the tree that was next to you........
@ALaughingWolf21882 жыл бұрын
I’m currently writing a ww1 story right now about a German soldier who deserted and somehow fled to America after fighting in Verdun and in the trenches since 1914. Even if he’s completely unscathed he still has immense PTSD and has night terrors, but because PTSD wasn’t very well understood back then, he keeps thinking there’s something wrong with himself whenever he wakes up in a cold sweat, and doesn’t know why he keeps being taken back to the trenches in his mind. PTSD is a really scary thing, I’m watching things like this to get a better idea of how to replicate and represent the effects of shell shock in the story. Since he’s trying to keep the fact he’s a German soldier a secret in fear he’ll be sent back to Europe as a POW, other characters in the story wonder what’s wrong with him too. But considering I’ve never known anyone who has the disorder nor do I have any combat experience myself, I find it a bit hard to portray just how terrifying and damning PTSD really is to someone’s mind when it’s triggered, especially back then during ww1. Not to mention the fact that he’s not able to tell anyone about it without being suspicious and that he doesn’t speak English.
@raghavnegi69324 жыл бұрын
No one wins the war, you just survive it.
@calebsmommy8125 жыл бұрын
Your videos are phenomenal! Thank you so much for making them. I've seen most of your more recent work, but I just came across this gem. Makes me think about how Hitler struggled after the war.. If he had seen someone 20 years later in an institution struggling in that same way, they were sent to the gas vans because they were considered "useless eaters"...