Sherlock 3x01 - How Sherlock Faked His Death

[@kidsmode366]

The part where John distributes"he's my friend" repeatedly, made me wanna cry

[@sukruthas1646]

Thought I was the only one who felt that part 😞💞

[@adnanoxo]

Indeed 🤧

[@cubecrafter255]

this comment Made me almost cry

[@ankitshelke8637]

Really felt his helplessness.

[@KoiYakultGreenTea]

“Distributes?”😂😂😂

[@ChevronSeven]

Me, faking being sick so my mother would let me stay at home on a school day:

[@Tezwah]

Lmao

[@astrophynix179]

mood

[@Voiding-ofdark]

As a retire baby. I can agree

[@rortys.kierkegaard9980]

The real Ferris Bueller…

[@Apolitically-Correct]

You’re lucky. Mine would have still made me go

[@JohnSmiffer]

What we didn't anticipate was the cyclist knocking john over and splitting his skull open. Poor john died that day.

[@arpitk2470]

well "Timed" cyclone!

[@MackieTheSpooks]

This made me laugh for days and I cannot understand why...

[@john-paulgies4313]

Of course we read it in the Cumberbatch voice.

[@Naavy2000]

No, he did not die, he was only unconscious, and put to the hospital. Everything in the series from this moment to the TFP ending is his hallucination.

[@Endez1a]

Rip john

[@Анархаан]

Its just a prank The prank:

[@juan969]

underrated

[@szeloklau7380]

now John has twice the PTSD

[@katy-168]

"you took a perfectly good john and you ruined him, look at that shit, he's got anxiety now"

[@julianbaxter2403]

I like how they presented a decoy solution at the start, but then revealed the true solution in the third act of the episode.

[@moviehermit5631]

But even then, it’s implied that this was also a lie. The great magic trick of how Sherlock faked his death will always be a mystery

[@jacobparker1105]

@@moviehermit5631 i personally think they haven’t even written it

[@bridgerhibbert2993]

@@moviehermit5631 It's a double-bladed solution: On one hand, this is how Sherlock surivived and Anderson didn't believe him because he was disappointed and thought too hard about the "What Ifs". On the other hand, Sherlock lied and Anderson knew this, so he realized all of his attempts at trying to solve it were pointless because he would never learn the truth from the only man who knows it, Sherlock Holmes. I lean more towards the former since "genius needs an audience".

[@redplague]

@@moviehermit5631 A mystery because the writers didn't know how to explain it with any degree of credibility. One of the worst moments of the entire show.

[@naproupi]

@@redplague Don't worry Season 4 topped that level of bullshit easily.

[@Mugen0445]

It's pretty simple actually. All he did was open a portal using a sling ring.

[@epictoe7179]

Nah, he used the time stone to reverse the damage.

[@ayushgarg423]

He took help from the Doctor Who using Tardis 😂😂😂

[@kingryand]

The fall looked like 3 seconds but it was actually “30 MINUTES!!”

[@lost.274]

"It's just a prank bro" The prank:

[@Morgan_2317]

For me the answer was simple. Sherlock really just jumped off the roof and Mycroft pulled every string to save his life. There was no plan other than dying

[@zjjohnson3827]

This would be exceedingly heartwarming if true, but Sherlock had to have been in on it lol

[@aaddiis45021]

Nope he tell John to be there there is no need for that

[@anagirbau3301]

This is more realistic but there was the possibility that he would not have made it. On the other hand, we saw the complexity of sherlock, not only his mind but body, the way he was able to control not going into shock when Mary shot him. It wouldn't be a stretch to say that he could have done a similar thing there. Or if he had a double on the ready like a really realistic doll bc at the funeral scene he is showed unscathed

[@zperk13]

Sent him to TAHITI

[@dumusstmeinennamennichtwis892]

I think many people who watch that scene don’t realize that this version also isn’t true. As Anderson says, some of these things don’t even make sense and why would Sherlock tell him? Sherlock lied to him again and the writers decided to never reveal the actual story

[@DrewFilms05]

I think it's more up to interpretation. It's entirely possible that Sherlock DID tell him the truth, knowing full well that he wouldn't believe it was true.

[@Wesley_Peter_Redmond]

This version is true. Sherlock told Anderson as a way of saying he forgave him, since Anderson was seemingly one of the driving factors leading to Sherlock's "suicide". Which is why Anderson quit his job and started looking for all the theories that Sherlock was alive: Anderson felt guilty. So, Sherlock, who is not always a petty man, told Anderson how he survived to show that Sherlock never even contemplated suicide, therefore Anderson had nothing to feel guilty about.

[@thatguy.0124]

@@Wesley_Peter_Redmond i dont actaully think that will be the reason. after sherlock told anderson on how he told , anderson rather started thinking why did sherlock tell him the truth and thaton camera. the fall of sherlock is one of the greater mysteries i suppose in show and novel . The show showed us 3 ways but the truth remains hidden as to how it really happened. Interpreation of the fall is paramount over here.

[@Wesley_Peter_Redmond]

@@thatguy.0124 It only showed one way. The other two were theories by people who were never even there.🤨

[@Crowbars2]

If that's the case... What was the bloody point? The fake version wasn't real, the real version wasn't real. Why even watch the show if it keeps having stuff like this? There's regularly intrigue that never goes anywhere, and there are stupid plot twists which then untwist, then twist again. So, what's the point if even the writers can't give you a cohesive story?

[@vanshikachats]

"There were 13 scenarios...." and " there are 14,000,605 possible outcomes...." said by the same man.

[@mincros3836]

The sad thing about Sherlock is that they killed Moriarty way too soon and into the next seasons they tried to revive him through “revive” his mind. Also it was too stupid that Sherlock outsmarted sooo easy moriarty.It’s like his plan was a 10 and moriarty’s was 4. They supposed to be close in cleverness but Sherlock is a little ahead also bc he has friends. The serie kinda died there . (Sorry about my English :p )

[@Moli_7634]

I agree! Seeing Sherlock struggle fighting Moriarty was good! He would have finally find someone at the same level.... but no... it was just a play... So clever but so disappointing for us :/

[@mincros3836]

Through this season they show us how smart moriarty is. How he can make Sherlock push him self to the limit.The plan from Sherlock was good but Moriarty throw his life away for what?There is no possible scenario that he didn’t at least think , what is Sherlock has a back up plan and if I die he wins. There was a block with actors. How he missed them?

[@marke6533]

Moriartky

[@AlexanderOsias]

Let’s not forget it was both the Holmes boys vs. Moriarty.

[@Moli_7634]

@@AlexanderOsias you’re right, it was still a bit disappointing that we didn’t get a real 1v1 : Sherlock - Moriarty. I just feel like there’s something missing

[@austincompton7662]

"Hes my friend, He's my friend" I hope anyone that has ever been in that scenario is happy today

[@bartolomeestebanmurillo4459]

Davies said it, the way Sherlock faked his death has been in front of us all this time, we just have to deduce it.

[@gamblorrr]

aka "you guys find a solution cause for me lol"

[@cariboubearmalachy1174]

So they had a huge conspiracy of a hundred people involving countless hours of training and planning and tons of specialised equipment to... fool John Watson? Why not just... include Watson in the conspiracy? Surely he's as reliable as anyone else in that crazy scene. It would have saved John from having to get that nasty concussion, and Sherlock from having to somehow stop his pulse long enough to fool an army doctor with battlefield experience.

[@sarathomas8499]

He was one of the people who were targeted to be shot so of his reaction was genuine then the shooters would know that Sherlock's death was real

[@MartinAlvito1]

He's what sells the whole thing to an outside observer.

[@cariboubearmalachy1174]

@@sarathomas8499 Wow. So little faith in poor Watson's acting ability.

[@moviehermit5631]

The thing is, the ending of the episode implies that this isn’t even how he faked his death. Anderson quickly questions just how precise everything needed to be and realizes Sherlock lied and will forever keep the actual method a secret. All the ideas Anderson came up with and this explanation Sherlock gives are more to poke fun at all the theories by never actually revealing how he pulled it off. It cleverly avoids actually writing an explanation that makes sense while having fun with the complicated ways that “could” have been the case

[@cariboubearmalachy1174]

@@moviehermit5631 The problem with cliffhanger episodes nowadays is that if you give the Internet a few months to brainstorm plot ideas, they are certain to come up with something better than what you come up with.

[@guypeate3628]

Since season 3 aired, I keep thinking how did Sherlock fake his own death? How many people were in on it? And how was this going to look?

[@gusthreshold2155]

Roof is a metaphor for a shark. Everything went down for this show after that jump , no pun intended

[@Endez1a]

😂

[@ekaterinakorovina1065]

I agree. For me the ultimate shark was Sherlock killing Magnussen in cold blood in S3 though. They ruined the character there.

[@kernel2190]

Why are we suddenly watching and commenting stuff now though this has been uploaded 8 years ago?

[@shadorofmordor5171]

The KZbin algorithm works in mysterious ways.

[@kernel2190]

​@@shadorofmordor5171 I just got back into Sherlock and I also have just remembered this scene yesterday so I search for the scene and found this video.

[@vezikul]

Idk

[@borislav5928]

I was nostalgic for the memories when my friend and I watched the show, so I wanted to see more of the sui sui scene, which is what we debated about the most. making fan theories is such fun. :)

[@Matt-sk1rc]

@@shadorofmordor5171 Not even youtube algorithim, i searched for this myself. I really miss this show

[@ruzanasumadi5456]

It's breaks my heart to hear John say "He's my friend". But still; it confuses me on why the scene changed from the usual place? Is it because it's to try a different setting?

[@kiiturii]

?

[@RonWolfHowl]

@@kiiturii Waterfall

[@shashankshekharmishra9857]

I loved the part when Sherlock said "it's Sherlockin' time"

[@blutadlerx]

And when Whatson came in with HIS signature It's Watsoning time and hit the old lady with his cane

[@worldsgreatestbladers8879]

Seriously the morbius jokes are over

[@shashankshekharmishra9857]

@@worldsgreatestbladers8879 it's overin' time

[@DerHerrMitR]

@@worldsgreatestbladers8879 You're supposed to be saying "If you don't stop with these Morbius jokes, I'm going to show you just how good I can blade." and then be bladin' all over him. Utterly disappointed in you.

[@aTalkingPizza]

​@@worldsgreatestbladers8879it's 9 months later and I can assure you that they are not in the slightest over. See them everywhere I go

[@sunbae-nim]

Damn all the comments being super recent, love you Sherlock fandom

[@alm2187]

Beginning of feature: L'estrade calls bollucks on the wildest points of speculation in Ansdersen's initial theory. If Moriarty's body is accounted for, why doesn't that include the part where Anders thinks someone put a Sherlock mask on him post-mortem? If that part is plausible, then what happened to Moriarty's body?

[@benjaminnadeau7305]

Wouldn't Moriartys man watching to confirm he dies, see all this

[@samarthh8638]

He was Mycroft's man pretending to be working for Moriarty

[@arvindsathyan8615]

@@samarthh8638 but then why did he have to do all this?...if the killers weren't going to shoot John?

[@samarthh8638]

@@arvindsathyan8615 he was the only one the man that was going to kill mrs Hudson wasn't plus sherlock had to make surr Moriarty dies

[@ItMeJish]

@@samarthh8638 wait when did we find this out?

[@davinci8024]

@@samarthh8638 After Moriarty dies, it doesn't matter. Mycroft's man can say to killers that Sherlock is dead. They can't see Sherlock. So, there shouldn't be any problem.

[@rubinapathan1832]

Just FYI, always check the carotid pulse to determine whether or not someone is alive.. Not radial

[@develynseether4426]

Yeah, radial is usually preferred for conscious if I'm not mistaken? Just to see what kind of pulse they have. It's also less invasive on a conscious person than touching their neck

[@stepankapraskova4922]

I am just wondering what would happen if moriarty didn’t end himself? Sherlock said he was expecting that. So what would be happing? Would Moriarty just watch Sherlock texting Mycroft and jumping to mattress?

[@Pritha879]

Maybe he would have left him

[@niko-ni6ps]

I expect he had 13 plans, one of it is lazarus

[@loekiekanters4295]

He was Moriarty, Moriarty was him. The devil in himself had to die, that's what this whole crisis was for.

[@daphenomenalz4100]

He didn't care about himself, all he wanted was to win Sherlock 😂 obv that would have happened. As Sherlock provoked him that he still had a chance to lose. So, Moriarty sacrificed -THE ROOOOOOOOOOOOK- HIMSELF

[@sachinbaral1514]

@@daphenomenalz4100haha I see what you did with the Rook there 😂

[@bitchybajwa9878]

Why does he just wanted to convince John about his death and not the killers???

[@alvinfrancis776]

The killers were taken out by Mycroft's men

[@jeb123]

@@alvinfrancis776 But i think this is not how he faked it actually, if you watched it you know. This was a lie for the interviewer.

[@bitchybajwa9878]

@@alvinfrancis776 if the killers weren't there then why did he still had to fake his death??

[@HighSlayerRalton]

@@bitchybajwa9878 Ostensibly, so he could infiltrate Moriarty's criminal network. Even if his death wasn't witnessed by any of Moriarty's men, people believed he was dead because they observed John's genuine reaction after the fact.

[@Curlyteacher537]

@@bitchybajwa9878 He needed to infiltrate Moriarty’s organization and that couldn’t have happened if he was alive

[@Naavy2000]

Explanation level: Anderson. Of course most of the story is a blatant BS, too many troublesome details (like: why to use the real body - a mannequin would suffice), and everything was orchestrated to fool John, when in fact John was supposed to be in Baker Street. But some details may be truth. For instance I think the bicyclist really was ready to tackle _everybody_ who tried to get to close to Sherlock (or the body) during these key moments. And maybe Sherlock's "escape route" ( 0:40 - watch with the speed 0,25 ) for some of these 13 variants was real too.

[@keithshwalbe6981]

Superbly done everyone

[@shotime95]

honestly I prefer the stupid version where Sherlock bungee jumps through the window and kisses Molly but yeah

[@TommyRayzer]

Sherlock: "FGS Mycroft, I have been falling, for 30 MINUTES!!!"

[@Kragatar]

This explanation really makes no sense. It all revolves around making Watson think he died, but the point was (at first) to make Moriarty think he died, then change of plans to make his assassins think he died. Pretty sure Anderson is right that Sherlock is just making all this up. The real method would have been focused entirely on Moriarty's perspective, and positioning John to fool him was a quick on-the-spot modification to the plan when he showed up earlier than expected.

[@brianrocha5802]

It’s crazy how both of these actors are in the MCU.

[@sharkk2016]

*WE NEED SEASON 5*

[@monarchsahu1903]

The whole plan was the dismantle Moriarty's vast web of network. For that the whole world needed to believe that sherlock is dead. Even with that it took him 2 years to dismantle the whole network. Making everyone believe and specially john was very important.

[@nathanjoseph8270]

It’s clever because although the explanation is plausible it’s never made clear if this was how it actually happened or just a theory. Genius writing from Moffat and Gatiss.

[@chattahsalsabila3019]

Genuis how exactly ? They just didn't know how to end something they started

[@nathanjoseph8270]

@@chattahsalsabila3019 no it’s literally up for speculation

[@Endez1a]

LMAO THEY REALLY WENT THIS FUCKING FAR

[@aaddiis45021]

Well original Sherlock also did that

[@kacperzimowski4626]

@@aaddiis45021 why not just let Sherlock bounce from the mattress, and then remove the mattress, and quickly craft some make-up on his face while covering him? why put some random fake corpse there for 3 seconds?

[@minnybri2010]

An experienced army doctor is never going to check the pulse of an unresponsive person at the wrist first, they're going to check the carotid artery in the neck and feel for breathing. There's no way Sherlock could have fooled John this easily, so it's either lazy writing or can't possibly be what really happened.

[@dumusstmeinennamennichtwis892]

As it’s already implied in the scene, it’s very likely that Sherlock just lied to Anderson just to shut him up

[@astronimite]

After this scene, Anderson is shown noticing all of the inconsistencies, and it is, therefore, heavily implied that Sherlock completely made this up.

[@hoangnguyenvuhuy5535]

Bro got a head concussions give him some slack. But the show should have ended in s2 tbh

[@Crowbars2]

It's just lazy and stupid writing. From a post 4chan - _"Sherlock is a smart person written by a stupid person to whom smart people are indistinguishable from wizards."_ The problem is that the writers have no idea how smart people think. To them, intelligence is a magical power where knowledge just magically arrives in your brain. Since if you're stupid, it seems like that's how smart people think because stupid people are incapable of understanding their thought processes. In the Sherlock Holmes books and in better adaptations, Sherlock Holmes is working with the exact same information that you are given. He takes that information, applies his reasoning to it, and is able to solve the mystery based on that. Sherlock Holmes seems smart in the books because you know that he can see something that you can't, and you can see the "deductive reasoning" (he actually mostly uses inductive reasoning but w/e) he's so famous for in action. In the Sherlock TV show, you're not given many of the pieces of information that Sherlock has. Many important pieces of information are given off-screen, so you can't really believe that Sherlock is smart, since you're unable to see what you would think based on that information. He just seems to magically know things. It's so stupid.

[@andreeavioricarobu5497]

I love these series. ❤❤❤

[@billyeveryteen7328]

I never understood why he had to fool John and not the hitmen.

[@yevgeniyaleshchenko849]

He DID have to fool hitmen by first fooling John (so that his reaction would seem believable to hitmen)

[@joelmole3157]

I like to think that this is the truth but the writers realised that the fandom wouldn’t be satisfied no matter what so incorporated it into the script.

[@cnote2458]

“Not the way I’d have done it. I’m not saying it’s not clever, but a bit disappointed.”

[@Kelsey-x4r]

Am I the only one who wants to know the other plans for on the rooftop

[@mattygee6852]

Lazurus is a fucking perfect play on words

[@oliver-pk3xj]

matty gee its been a long time

[@mattygee6852]

@@oliver-pk3xj what?

[@ashiesnigam8694]

Why

[@mattygee6852]

@@ashiesnigam8694 lazurus pit is in batman its used to become reborn anew

[@gloriousleader3203]

@@mattygee6852 dude... lazarus is the name of a guy jesus rose from the dead in the bible... thats where the name comes from 😂

[@Matt..S]

I guess using a vast network of agents to secure Watson, Hudson, Molly, Lestrade and Mycroft would have been too complicated compared to this. They needed the emotional distress of a country and driving a man into an extreme depression while forcing his friends to lie to him about his friend's death to keep up a charade that only really needed to be a thing for 5 minutes after it happened and the assassins withdrew

[@moneyball32]

So the guys hired to kill Watson just didn’t see the circus troop doing all that?

[@Endez1a]

JESUS CHRIST MAN- WHAT THE FUCK 😂

[@maorx36]

Damn it jessy I told you to stop annoying holmes

[@Endez1a]

Not jessy Who the fuck is jessy

[@crabbieappleton]

And all it would take is one of Moriarty's men to witness that very, very public display of an airbag and the innumerable people involved. No wonder even this explanation is waved off. Moffat didn't have an idea of how to do it.

[@harryturner8701]

This was such a cop out

[@Endez1a]

1:51 Gurl u good

[@Endez1a]

WHY DID THEY RUN HIM OVER 😂

[@CCI-lv9hr]

Most doctors check carotid pulse though. Not radial.

[@Apolitically-Correct]

He did he know John wouldn’t check his carotid pulse? That’s way easier to check

[@MostlyPennyCat]

So how was this supposed to work if Moriarty wasn't dead exactly?

[@prasanth2601]

Who is Sherlock even trying to convince when the sniper got an offer from Mycroft. I didn't understand his point

[@cwffyk1507]

He came to bargain

[@bradydavis5791]

It's amazing how everything came crashing to just horrible writing and storytelling ever since this season premiered. It was weird too. Watching the first two seasons, only to be confronted with Season 3.... It was an obvious drop in quality. It felt like it pandered to people who didn't care about well written plots or structures and who are easily entertained.

[@Crowbars2]

True. It's like Moffat was constantly on tumblr looking at Sherlock theories, then decided to write the show based on trying to outsmart everyone's weird tumblr theories.

[@Mivkebvrns]

Top 10 pranks that went too far

[@wnazgul]

And meanwhile no servant of moriaty is watching this or what? This is a dumb plot twist imo

[@Austin_Rummel]

Sherlock says that Mycroft was able to take care of them.

[@TurusDJava]

In the scene it's suggested that this isn't how he did it

[@mediakira6621]

Never was a fan of the retcon that they both manipulated moriarty during season 2 . Lessens his impact

[@liamlimes8292]

What was the point of the fake corpse?

[@manishdixit3159]

I will tell how Sherlock survived with most perfect scenario.... That whole pavement was already digged and ultered for Sherlock to survive the fall and later apply blood on face to make it real.... The pavement was later rotated remotely upside down to get Sherlock below and get his fake body arranged by Molly up... Even if Moriaty hadn't died... he would have seen Sherlock's deadbody and had been convinced.. also he would have given some condolence to crying Watson....as a screw you....even the shooters would have been convinced... But writers screwed this.... with all the participants working ... filling gas in big bedding and no one notices... not even shooters... and what would have happened if Moriaty hadnt died....

[@Endez1a]

WHEEEEE

[@titularhero]

Everyone commenting this makes no sense like no shit, this isn't how he did it

[@carlmadsen5734]

Why the fake dead body if they could have just added make up

[@erin_3569]

... This is totally ridiculous...

[@famousguest]

It wasn't about John - it was about the killer dudes - I never understood the scene.

[@ryanoneill4021]

What I want to know is , who are all these paid actors and where in gods name did they find a job like this. Are they all M15 or something?

[@Endez1a]

WHERE ARE THE FINDING THIS SHIT 😂

[@rttbbb683]

Lazarus dr who Easter egg !

[@Endez1a]

What the fuck

[@christianreybaranda8919]

isn't their first meeting in a lab? not a swimming pool? where he told other people that Moriarty is Gay 🤣🤣🤣

[@stephenrobinson8244]

Bit overkill

[@sherlockwatson101]

This was such a stupid explanation- they literally stole this conclusion from tumblrs multiple theories. And then Anderson with his wall of fan theories!? I stopped appreciating this show after this. Reichenbach was the best tv episode in tv history and then … it was this.

[@sarathomas8499]

It was implied that this was also perhaps not the true explanation because even Anderson was like why did you tell me? It doesn't make sense? Sherlock then left

[@cariboubearmalachy1174]

Moriarty was dead. His crime network was decapitated. Couldnt Mycroft and Sherlick have just called it a day and gone home instead of doing this ridiculous mise en scene? What is Sherlock's fake death supposed to accomplish anyway?

[@snadowblackmill]

if he didnt die his three friends would be killed

[@anagirbau3301]

​@@snadowblackmillit was implied that mycroft was already involved but still i understand that the possibility of Moriarty having hired other people was strong so they had to dismantle everything

[@Loki-g3k]

Restoring his reputation I think 🤔

[@monarchsahu1903]

Sherlock dismantled Moriarty's network behind the scenes. It took him two years. The whole network believed sherlock is dead and he took them all by surprise.

[@Fifury161]

I don't know - to me this was shark jumping moment... It was handled much better in the books and other TV & film versions...

[@Avalon_1991]

The show became terrible after this episode. I don't know if the writing team changed. They should have just ended the show here.

[@September2004]

What I don’t get is why they needed that decoy corpse just so Watson could see it from a distance? Was that so they had time to put the make-up on Sherlock?

[@Stube1.0]

You guys made joke on Sherlock. What is going on fu**n cell phone laptop. You destroyed the legacy of Sherlock

[@pranav717dey]

That's not how he did it !

[@augustussmythe8379]

Just about the dumbest thing this show ever did. Still love it though. 😊

[@SkyeArrow222]

Phenomenal 2 seasons and okayish series overall after this episode. They really wrote themselves into a corner at the cost of one the best cliffhangers in recent memory. True shame.

[@holliswilliams8426]

This was so disappointing lol.

[@gulagwithahumanface4471]

Yeah such a cop out. Leaving people in suspense for years and then basically saying “it doesn’t really matter and you were all a bit stupid for caring about it so much” isnt a good look tbh

[@willyjum]

@@gulagwithahumanface4471 I saw it more as Sherlock being himself and downplaying the amount of planning it took. Remember there were 13 scenarios they planned for. Another point is that the simpler the plan is, the less likely there are points where it can fail. With added complexity, like fan theories, the more likely one of the actors will mess up.

[@Beaver_Monday]

@@willyjum "13 scenarios" is an asspull because the writers didn't even have one good scenario that made sense lmao

[@douglasking9383]

I used to be a fan of Sherlock Holmes, but since seeing his latest incarnation "Sherlock", I have become a non-fan. Cumberpatch's interpretation where he can take minor trivia and blow them up into mind-blowing implications, made me want to throw up instead.

[@ezekielbrockmann114]

Preposterous.

[@nicholasnolan2086]

This is where I stopped watching the show, this was ridiculously stupid, and all for nothing since why does it matter if John knows he lived?