SHILOH (part 2) - UGCW LEGENDARY MODE #6 - CONFEDERATE CAMPAIGN

The battle concludes as I hang on for dear life against the onslaught of the combined forces of Grant and Buell.
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[@ashleyhyatt6319]

Thanks for the episode! The casualties in US Civil War battles are so unfathomable to us today. They were of course a shock to the people then too. Paraphrasing one historian, he said that in today's battles a 10% casualty rate is considered a bloodbath. In the US Civil War, many brigades suffered between 20%-50%. Some were even worse. The battlefields must have looked like Hell.

[@alexanderwright2493]

Quoting some Shelby Foote there I see

[@gustavosinclair7185]

the last two or three generartions didnt live a full total war, such as the civil war or wwi or wwii,,, i imagine how would the public opinion fare in such a war

[@lynkriger]

You need to do a better job of utilizing cover. I can't count the number of times I saw you move brigades into the open and fight federal units in heavy woods. Those are the brigades you saw with 100 kills and 600 losses. Also, that attack on the right was horrifically timed. NEVER attack when they are in deep woods with artillery support. They will slaughter your men. It would have been better to fix them there with skirmishers while your flanked them on the right. On legendary you need all the victory points you can get. And Shiloh is a very winnable battle if your aggressive in the beginning and destroy enough of the federal brigades. You survived though, im very interested in how this will line you up for the coming battles.

[@mr.fantastic7756]

He needs some more of that Jeb Stuart

[@jaredgrantham3549]

That Day 1 fight on the Union left was hard to watch. Feels like even going for the draw, with some more positioning a lot more casualties could have been dealt at a lower cost. I’m 250+ hours in and I’ve never hit the buttons to speed up time either!

[@txnetcop]

Just finished Antietam on Legendary...WOW the Union is super aggressive. I had to do what you did and get my first DRAW the end result in winning would have wiped me out. All I can tell you is that it just gets tougher...I LIKE IT LOL!

[@TheHistoryGuy]

+T.R. Freeman haha good to know.

[@TheHistoryGuy]

Just an FYI for comparison when I played this battle on BG difficulty and took Pittsburg Landing on day one, the union had 20,000 fewer troops and the casualties were virtually identical to this. That's the reason for my hesitancy in attacking Pittsburgh Landing this time around. I'm guessing I would have lost 20,000 men, just not worth it.

[@vladislavshevchenko634]

As for me, it's easier to get the Pittsburgh landing on day one than try to defend on day two

[@jbalsamo9013]

A bit out of date. But the secret of winning this is to concentrate the main effort from the right to the left, and not the opposite. Your use of Skirmishers was good, but on the wrong side of the front. Especially on the second front (Bragg), pushing them toward the left opens the road to Pits landing, and allows you to occupy the" hornets nest", cutting their retreat. I also think that the two cavalries brigades are a waste of slots and should be replaced by two additional infantry brigades (with 2 skirm units as a bonus). Even artillery is questionable as those are lagging behind most of the time while inflicting little damage (while consuming supplies). Shiloh is all about movements and speed with the objective to win the first day. To be fair, while i play "major general", i have never tried the legendary mode, and probably never will. Too extreme.

[@kumisz2]

38:05 oh my god that cacophony

[@RIDICULOUSTRUTH]

....opening up w/softening up enemy batteries w/Your own, is always a good bet in big battles, especially now that you have similar Caliber big guns. ;)

[@FerretMasterXX]

Well played Sir! I was very concerned for day two counterattack, but the AI never pulled it all together in a "central thrust". When they spread out all along the line, your job was made somewhat easier. I think the decisive move was sending the "distraction" around the Union right. This, I feel, upset his plans to over-run Shiloh Church in the last hour. There was still movement by the Union to make that push, but your timing worked out perfect and time expired. Again....Great game play!

[@TheHistoryGuy]

Yeah, I was sure the big last minute push was coming at Shiloh Church. Whatever the reason, he failed to take advantage of the numbers he had, and I'm glad!

[@MrDavePed]

At 4:20 Dropping Evan's skirmishers back until they get supplied is not a good idea. Leave them where they are and let them contribute. Over directing units which are already in an effective position is ill advised. Even if they run out of supplies they will still fire on the enemy and can also contribute by drawing enemy fire. There is also a risk of them getting flanked if the move order is not performed correctly. They should be ordered to fall back first so they do not get flanked. Fewer orders is better. ..

[@jaredgrantham3567]

I noticed in my own play through that in ‘Historical’ battle mode the battle ended as soon as the Pittsburgh Landing contested timer reached zero, but in ‘Campaign’ mode I had to hold it till the end of day, and it couldn’t be in a contested state when that time hit. Wondered if this was an intentional design choice or an error, and if anyone else had the same circumstances.

[@janis317]

Just as a history aside, Shiloh was not a surprise attack. These were green troops and noise discipline was practically non-existent at this time. Union command knew that substantial forces were moving against them for at least 12 hrs before the battle started. (Grant had warned Sherman to look for an attack in his area the previous evening.) Nor were the Union' troops routed easily. Confederates took grave casualties before a majority of the Union forces broke. Of course you do have to factor in that these were green troops on both sides, there were a number of units that did break at first contact but those that did fight, fought very well.

[@janis317]

Your cavalry spends too much time in the rear, they should be scouting and looking for TOA's especially generals. Got better at the end though.

[@sonnyjim5268]

Couple of observations. Arty should be leaped frogged. Meaning move the rear most guns up past the firing guns. Once they get in place, then move the next ones. This ensures troops will always arty support. Never move all guns at the same time and never move them only a short distance unless absolutely necessary. Second point. Never shut off resupply. Fighting troops should always be kept topped up as you never know when you can get them resupplied.

[@zachnar0125]

At 5:30 I don't think it would've been greedy to push as they were pulling back.

[@zachnar0125]

Totally get your point though about the future, each his own in that case.

[@williamlinklater6433]

The easiest battle I fought on legendary with brigades about 1200 men each. The first part line up your men on the right side and take that forest. Same thing on the next battlefield, everyone on the left though. Goes to the final stage, one mass center punch towards the landing, secure and dig in.

[@TheHistoryGuy]

+William Linklater that's the way I usually fight the battle but the fight for Pittsburg Landing itself is still a bloodbath even with even odds. I don't see a way I would have taking the objective and won the battle that would have Justified the additional losses. It was only a difference of 2000 reinforcements and 9 reputation points for winning versus taking the draw. I would have been assaulting a fortified position, I may have caused a few more casualties to the union side but I would have lost easily five to ten thousand more men

[@FerretMasterXX]

Conservation of Forces = Smart General!

[@FerretMasterXX]

A followup thought..... Win the Battle... Lose the War!...

[@williamlinklater6433]

ill hunt down my replay. I conserved my forces, sacrificed the AI's.

[@williamlinklater6433]

Yup. a few distraction forces on the left during Shiloh church, rammed right to the bushes NW of Shiloh church, dug in the superb forest there, light losses, my special skirmishers were routing any charges on the flanks. Braggs forces majority on the left of the map, a few on the right for distraction. Didn't bother with hornets nest, kept pushing on the left. The final phase, which there are 3 cannons and maybe a cavalry regiment, too easy with Braggs forces. Bragg takes the initial defences while you place your corps in advantageous areas. The reinforcements are a joke, rout in the first fire, let bragg take the hit.

[@Stradar]

Man legendary is pretty intense man even I had a hard time with this on hard diff. And I out flanked the ai many times.

[@Alex-ej4wm]

Any tips on how to use Calvary in this battle? I move mine around and before I know it the union Calvary is behind my line wreaking havoc! Should I just keep my Calvary behind the line to counter theirs? Also what happens when you Dismount the calvary? Do they sit there and just fire like an infantry unit?

[@MrDavePed]

CALVARY?? What's the matter with so many people? ARGH. ..

[@johnjaeger2968]

@@MrDavePed lol, they're resurrecting Jesus behind enemy lines

[@spqrd13]

If you had pushed before they formed a battle line on the right flank in the last video, you could have walked over the hornets nest.

[@TheHistoryGuy]

True, however I wasn't looking to overrun the hornet's nest.

[@spqrd13]

The History Guy I'm well aware of your intentions. You intended to fail the Confederacy instead of leading my people to victory and glory!

[@spqrd13]

Why do you send men across the open marsh to get bogged down?

[@Rayrard]

Yikes any sort of melee charge would have smashed the depleted and poor condition brigades on your left. Luckily they never really tried a mass attack anywhere. Curious on how you will replenish your army with 12K casualties, not many captured guns, and the borderline 2 stars being so expensive to bring to full strength.

[@TheHistoryGuy]

+Rayrard yeah if you would have coordinated a melee attack he definitely could have broken my lines, I kept expecting it but it never materialized. Honestly I was rather counting on the fact that the AI sometimes is very poor and coordinating their assaults. Then again, so were a lot of the Union Generals. I'll go through the process of replenishing my Army in the next video.

[@Rayrard]

Good luck going forward. Hopefully the Shenandoah battles will allow you to recover some money and strength. Malvern Hill might be another "draw" type battle on this mode. Thanks for the series. This game is flawed but a good simulation.

[@zachnar0125]

RIP A. Sidney Johnston

[@derekwfrazier]

u let him have all that ground and for what?

[@Flowerz__]

God damn everybody in this comment section really thinks they are the ultimate general haha

[@johnjones4604]

Leroy Jenkins !!

[@ACupPlayz]

just trying to catch up..... man way to hold your line

[@angrydoggo7160]

Today I fought Shiloh and.... Won it the first day. It was god-awful.

[@sasha642]

Ok first off you had a very defeatest attitude about the whole battle. 2nd you played skirmishers very well in the first 2/3rds of battle but poorly in the third part. 3rd you had Forrest's cavalry and you used them not at all and also the skirmishers on your right were very useful to you but the others in the center just sat behind the line and did virtually nothing the entire 3rd part of battle would have been better had you spread them out on your right and gave the enemy battalions casualties. 4th some not all of your arty could have been used better even though they were almost out of ammo. I hope this gives you some insight, however, its as Oddball said in Kelly's heroes all those negative waves Moriarity. :)

[@TheHistoryGuy]

+William Ohaire I guess my question for everyone who thinks I could have won the battle is can you think of a way I could have taken Pittsburgh Landing that would justify the losses I would have suffered in doing so? a win only gains me an additional 2000 reinforcements along with 9 reputation points. I don't see a way I would have won the battle without losing more than that.

[@sasha642]

No I don't but perhaps your skirmishers through constant replenishment could have pushed him back, I would have to try it and see and the time limit is a variable.

[@williamlinklater6433]

Bragg takes the hits

[@misha6699]

I find no fault in your initial assessment and decision to fight for a draw, playing it cautiously. I would have done the same. As a matter of fact, "cautious" is my favorite way to approach a battle until things start developing. The only fault I perceived was that you wedded yourself to it, making you hold back when you could have switched to aggressive, even if only temporarily, slaughtering the enemy in the initial phases. Move cautiously, think aggressively. Always attack whenever the opportunity to do so presents itself. In the early part, particularly around Shiloh church, the AI presented numerous opportunities for you to act aggressively with little risk and you should have pushed them. No need to arbitrarily hold your troops back when your skirmishers report no significant resistance ahead (good use of skirmishers there, by the way!). Sure, don't attack if doing so means taking huge losses when your strategy is to conserve your army (good call), but when you have a big hole in front of you, attack through it. Best case, you gain a flanking position and can inflict massive casualties, worst case, you run into a block and fall back. Always adapt, always change, always attack when you can, even if the gains are only local. Or: Don't stop advancing until you have a very good reason to, such as a solid enemy line or your advance troops being so far ahead that you can't support them if the tables turn. Always advance when you can. And your "run away" strategy on April 7 made me cringe, sorry to say. Sure, your strategy was to hold on to what you needed for a draw, nothing wrong with that, but there is never a good reason to NOT fight a delaying action when withdrawing unless you've decided to rout. That's where the skirmishers really shine. Detach, fall back with main unit to good position, recombine, kill enemies, then detach and repeat. You basically gave up the entire battlefield without a shot, leaving you in a position where you COULD NOT retreat any further without losing. If you have ground that you know you're willing to give up, make the enemy pay for it. You fought for that ground, don't hand it out like candy while retreating to a position where your back is against the wall and you have nothing to trade and thus no flexibility left. Just my 2 cents. Great video, though :-)

[@TheSycotik]

I hate this battle. Playing legendary and took landing at first day, then got thrown out the second, what the f is that and this is not the only battle where winning VPs doesnt count, biggest flaw of this game! No way im gonna push through those fresh units again. I agree that History guy played too cautiously, atleast on right. His units stayed under the hill and didnt even move to forest line where he could atleast take out that battery.

[@peterallen4605]

wasting too many points on recon.

[@Galantus1964]

wrong.. atlest 4 points needed to get hands on info on the BF....