"shin megami tensei nocturne is a fair and balanced game"

cturne

[@BAIGAMING]

Yeah the bosses will "button read" you, if you use an attack mirror they'll use magic and if you use a magic mirror they'll use physical. In later SMT games if you do this on a boss they'll make the mistake once (like use a physical after you used an attack mirror) and then afterwards they'll learn from their mistake and almighty spam.

[@zephyrprime8]

I mean it's not really button reading when they can see you doing it. In Persona 5 Royal the Reaper will spam Megidolaon if even a single party member has Makarakarn (or Madarame's Will Seed accessory)

[@FSVR54]

What is even the point of those spells/items in that case? .they work great in the Persona games

[@mahesalagi4701]

i believe you refer to demi fiend fight in smtv correct?

[@thegamer9302]

​@@FSVR54 cut down on their options and catch out demons thst have no choice but to proc it.

[@pauloandrade925]

To be fair tho as a player i would do the same. The demons aren't dumb after all

[@2honey2meme95]

I can't imagine your fucking face when bishamon casted 4 makajakas before he casted megidolaon lmfaoooo

[@Windermed]

you should’ve seen my face when lucifer decided to crit me 2 times in a row just at the part when i was about to finish him off (after he casted his first diarahan btw) overall this is what we like to call here.. the cturne experience

[@gurrenmed5319]

Tears

[@thebigboyyay]

When I saw him pop 4 makakajas bro was dead before he even hit megidolaon

[@MaggieTourelles]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@seanplaysgames2551]

i knew bishamon would just followup with magic

[@LifeofthePRTY]

This is the greatest sentence of all time

[@slayeroffurries1115]

I started laughing maniacally the moment you pulled an Attack Mirror 💀💀💀

[@hatsuneblacktrousers]

fun fact: if you use attack mirror, bishamonten will only replace his physical attacks with megidolaon, which is actually not that threatening if he doesn't use makakaja and if you already have suku and rakukajas up, plus it prevents him from spamming normal attack crits

[@hatsuneblacktrousers]

4 makakajas into megidolaon is something bishamon can just do randomly regardless of whether or not you use a mirror

[@Windermed]

I don’t even know what i was thinking at that point 😭 I knew i should’ve just used a Bead instead

[@legoferrari14]

​@@Windermed Keeping the Demi Fiend alive should always be a priority since his death is an automatic game-over; your other demons had endure anyway so you could've afforded the heal even without the added protection.

[@DemonEyeHelix]

@@legoferrari14 I figure he was worried about demi-fiend being two-tapped again since endure was down.

[@MusuriMo]

1:29 im crying dude he had ENOUGH

[@Arexion5293]

Having someone with Dekaja and Dekunda is a must at endgame. Even if you have buffs and debuffs, those can only do so many levels in one full turn.

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

He did, but then Bishamonten proceeded to kill Vishnu

[@Blackheartzero]

His innate gullibility: *_very much_*_ taken advantage of!_

[@livenishikireaction]

vote for shin megami tensei nocturne

[@Ansem_SOD13]

0:37 Vishnu really went: 😩😩😩

[@Zkeleton969]

DAISOUJOU’S BELL MAKES A LITTLE DINGY NOISE I’m so happy

[@Lukja08]

There's a mod that adds in his screech he makes when using Meditation.

[@tibersulla2305]

The buffs were just insult to DEATH, that megi would kill you regardless at 1 hp.

[@DoomCaliberQ8]

lmao loved how he changed to almighty

[@Keep701]

After buffing himself to +2 in magic of course.

[@Enderson5040]

Demi Fiend: "Heal? or protection?, hmmm... I'll protect myself and my demons" Bishamon: "I've been waiting for this" 😈 Don't worry, to become the best you stand up each time you fall, like no one else. Great video, keep it up

[@atlasreborn7221]

>Dekaja after debilitate >ATTACK MIRROR deserved

[@Windermed]

fair enough

[@Paranuui]

Why? (I've barely played this game I literally don't know why)

[@jojsis8149]

he wasted his mp on debilitate since he was just gonna dekaja anyways, and then attack mirrors when bishamontens attack isnt as high@@Paranuui

[@Diva_Ant]

​@@Paranuui The dekaja nullified the debilitate and brought the demon to its base stats, essentially wasting a turn

[@exaggeratedswagger8895]

Wait, I thought dekaja removed all buffs so if he debilitated, wouldn’t bisha be minus 1 on all stats? (Bro was still cooked no matter what but just asking)

[@melchorgospel5159]

>No Fog Breath >No heal Demi-Fiend >No Raidou

[@souakadpadkid6685]

This man is NOT playing Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne

[@ToveriJuri]

@@souakadpadkid6685 Dante > Raidou

[@geisterwolf397]

@@ToveriJuri Raidou > Dante If you pick Dante version you'll have an easier Lucifer fight which is boring.

[@ToveriJuri]

@@geisterwolf397 Who cares about the miniscule change in difficulty? I beat Lucifer with the original Dante in my party who didn't have Pierce back then. I have nothing to prove to that fool.

[@cracktae4421]

@@geisterwolf397 sweat

[@ophidianmind333]

Yeah, that second fight with Bishamonten is one of the most intense and difficult boss fights in the game, especially if you're playing on hard mode. My last playthrough was on hard mode and he put up quite a fight even though I had three party members with Debilitate. At least the other three bosses there aren't as difficult so it's mainly Bishamonten who is the obstacle to getting the Masakados magatama. Though you have the ability to get Deadly Fury and Freikugel before this fight and using either of those with Focus if your Demi-fiend has maxed out strength and luck paired with four levels each of Tarukaja and Debilitate (or War Cry) should take out Bishamonten in just a few hits. If you have that kind of build, you might also be able to one-shot the other bosses in that area even on hard mode if you use Freikugel.

[@Hemestal]

He sucks if you get your 4 Rakukajas rolling out of the gate, add war cry into the mix and a magatama that resists phys and he can no longer drop you in one turn even if he tunnel visions on Demi. Any arrangement of null+ phys demons pretty much renders him unable to kill anyone since his dangerous moves are all physical and by thay point in the game there are plenty of easy to get phys strong demons.

[@UreksatheJade]

​@@Hemestalthis guy knows what's up

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

@@HemestalTrue in a vacuum - but here is the thing, Bishamonten always strikes first, and his most dangerous move besides his basic attack is Megidolaon, which he can telegraph with 4 Makakaja

[@tommyr5621]

Reading through the comments on these kinda videos, it's clear that SMT fans can't get laid because they try to War Cry at the start of every date

[@UmbreonFlash]

Not unless I have seduce on my skill list through fusion.

[@Windermed]

not to mention the average SMT fan probably has a repel resistance towards any girl that they like (which also means not even any girl that has Pierce will be able to get to them)

[@Moister356]

My negotiation skills have imrproved. Instead of they running on first date, they now give me money because everyone thinks I'm poor. (Need to equip Beg on your skill list). Later, I will be requesting objects.

[@Netherman14TheHellblazer]

​@@Moister356Sounds like you need to level up your Charm stat

[@HyperfixationWizard]

​@Windermed This stat is negated if you have jack frost merch. Source: trust me bro

[@bishopspechulure9821]

>Has fog breath, doesn't use it Deserved

[@swolie]

>"Ah ha! Now that I have used this physical mirror, I will surely survive the onslaught!" >Megidoloan >"Fuck."

[@zassin_2665]

suku best buff/debuff, cant kill you if cant hit you

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

Bishamonten's basic attack has 100% accuracy regardless of buffs and debuffs

[@dantespimp]

He could've just Megidolaon just once and ended you. But nah, bro made sure to dragon-eye and buff up FOUR TIMES before dropping it like a nuke. That's when you know it was personal.

[@AlexRango]

>he didn't buff himself in the first turn NGMI

[@nr2676]

Bishamon with ,,Win pose'' after using Megidolaon

[@naxzed_it]

I expected his turn to end after casting 4 makakajas not for him to pull out a Megidolaon 💀😭😭😭

[@Blackheartzero]

"... What do you mean you didn't think the boss who attacks with primarily Physical damage wouldn't also have access to the strongest magic possible? Its only common intuition! For Heaven's sake, do you think you're playing _Pokémon_ here?! Listen, if you can't be bothered to take this game and its mechanics seriously, then that's your own lookout. Apathetic bloody Demifiend- I've no sympathy at all!"

[@Laezar1]

To be fair the attack mirror was a good idea but other moves before that were questionable. Doing debilitate then dekaja for exemple. Or throwing a makakaja before being in a position to survive the fight when passing could have been a valid option to hasten debuffs (or, this time using the attack mirror but before disaster not after). It's often the case where none of a person individual moves are bad, but lack of planning and accounting for all the ressources available leads into deadly scenarios that were avoidable. Not that this boss can't be unfair (it can just decide to kill you if it wants to and you can't do much about it lol) but there was clearly room for better decisions even without extra information available than what we see here.

[@sayakamikireal]

bro got pissed off when you used that mirror

[@legoferrari14]

1st Unwritten Rule of leader-dependent JRPG's: *Always* keep your protag healed up; worry about setup once your current HP is above the lethal threshold of the enemy's attack.

[@RRP6632]

No one safe from 4 makakaja + megidolaon

[@megasoniczxx]

I like how he didn't even need to buff in the end, he just did it to rub it in xD

[@markcochrane9523]

>using attack mirror instead of a bead

[@roxaskobold5101]

Ah yes, definitely a SMT Nocturne certified moment

[@MrDark086]

"and i took that physical mirror personally"

[@TornadoZX825]

"nice Arahabaki impression. Unfortunately, Megidolaon"

[@MaggieTourelles]

Bishamon litteraly said "Not today, dude !"

[@BenjaminGlatt]

He was being *nice* when he used physical attacks. Giving you a chance instead of just insta-wiping your party.

[@glezard212]

Damn ya dude took that shit personal and said . You gonna reflect me? I got one even better 😂

[@lefthandedscout9923]

Why did you Debil then use Dekaja? That defeats the purpose of the Debilitate. Boss is at +4 ATK 0 MAG 0 DEF 0 SPD buffs You Debilitate him, now at +3 -1 -1 -1 You then Dekaja which makes all positives go to zero, now at 0 -1 -1 -1 Doing it the other way around means you reset him, then debuff the attack, putting him to -1 -1 -1 -1 Also, Bishamonten just has Megidolaon and has an attack string where he goes Makajaka x4 I to Megidolaon. It's a pretty common opener for him to use, in fact. Here he didn't actually read your mirror and go for it because of that. He can read your mirror, but he will still do everything normally but swap physical moves for Megidolaons, so if he read your mirror here, then he would've used Tarukaja 4 times to precede a physical move, then on last press turn read your mirror use and swapped his physical move for a Megidolaon. And yes, if you mirror then he goes for his non buffing Phys attack string, he will cast 5 Megidolaons in a row!

[@enrique7934]

Because he sucks 😂, but the Game is hard and unfair😅

[@danguy6591]

Dekaja removes only -kaja spells aka buffs, delibilitate is a debuff spell, aka -nda spell, dekaja doesn't affect them

[@lefthandedscout9923]

@@danguy6591 Dekaja sets any positive status buffs to zero. If someone used Tarukaja once then was War Cried, they'd be at -1 Phys ATK -2 Magic ATK. Dekaja here would have no effect, because there are no positive stats. Buff and debuff spells cancel each other out in Megami Tensei. It's always been like that. Hell, it literally tells you that's what's happening in the Persona games with the notification that appears when you get hit with a debuff while you have a buff on. Please go play the game and test this stuff before commenting. I know what I'm talking about.

[@danguy6591]

@@lefthandedscout9923 you clearly don't because bishamonten used 4 tarukajas at his 1st turn making it +4/0/0 and after delibilate it was +3/-1/-1. Buffs in smt stack up to 4 times, unlike persona where they don't. Play real shin megami tensei game, you casual.

[@lefthandedscout9923]

@@danguy6591 well, Phys ATK and magic atk are tracked differently in nocturne so it's actually +4/0/0/0 anf then +3/-1/-1/-1, but yes you are correct there. Oh wait. That's literally what I said in my first comment. Go read the first paragraph again. Then from there, you Dekaja, and the positive gets reset to zero, which puts us to 0/-1/-1/-1, right? Which, again, is exactly what I said in the first comment. And if you did it in the reverse order, using Dekaja first, then using Debilitate afterwards, then you get Dekaja puts him to 0/0/0/0, and Debilitate puts him to -1/-1/-1/-1. Oh wait. That's exactly what I said in the first comment. Please go back and read what I said before replying again. Thank you.

[@vinigmoura]

I freaking love this in this game because the IA knows how to use its resources, some bullshit happens regarding RNG, but the battle in this video IS "fair". Love it!!

[@MetatronsRevenge613]

really good Boss AI

[@psykofreac9188]

I lost count how many times I've seen Demi-Fiend fall over and die.

[@HyperfixationWizard]

Bishamonten: "I'm a physical attacker... but..."

[@tausiftt5238]

hahahhahahhahahahaha that was hilarious! specially the megidolaon

[@SpaceDetectiveTravis]

1:22 - Good strategy! However...

[@RRP6632]

Even if he used bead, the damage that will received is beyond 999. Even then of he doesn't use megidolaon, there's still a possibility that he'll just single targeting demi fiend with physical attack 😭

[@akabancopop]

It does kinda blow my mind that SMT gets ported everywhere and no one touches Xenosaga. They would sell really well on Switch.

[@ephemera-noctourniquet]

Isn't Xenosaga way more niche than SMT though?

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

@@ephemera-noctourniquet Xenosaga 1 no, 2 and 3? Yeah. Over the years smt has def become more popular cause KZbinrs talk about it more while for some reason no one ever talks about saga lol

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

Cause bamco is dumb

[@grass324]

i'm confused how is he not healing demi-fiend

[@khalidpatterson1422]

yo the first 14 secs kills me

[@Wormopera]

Whats funny is that you cant even cast dekaja because he did all that shit in one turn

[@simonpetrikovthepoor9737]

Imagine not having prayer on daisoujou

[@Windermed]

I did have Prayer on Daisoujou to be fair

[@booooocaj]

smt just seems like one of those masochist franchises where the happiness comes only after 2 hours (excluding the grinding of course) of bashing your head into a wall.

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

I mean it’s an endgame boss lol

[@shis1988]

The game wants you to experiment. Thing is, it's severely punishing to boot.

[@daiyahigashikata]

not really. it just kicks your ass if you don't use its systems correctly

[@cuppaal]

A year later i know but nahh bro you were perfectly fine thinking he would do another physical move after 2 full turns of physical buffing and attacking. Like bruh the makakaja spam was what got me laughing so hard , bro humbled tf outta u that turn 😭. I bet u was flabbergasted seeing that shit start 😭

[@dwymmermorc]

pouring one out for you homie, gambled and lost

[@Ribula1]

That's rough buddy!

[@blazi2293]

He didn't need to buff himself to kill and he did it 4 times blud took it very personally 😭

[@PA-NI-NI]

need a demon with null phys, like a daisoujou with drain element skills

[@MarxasThomas]

1:39 god damn lol

[@Weigazod]

So this is why this game has a "beg" option.

[@wileecoyotegenius5955]

The funny part is that I basically didn't even have to fight this boss because I hit him with a 3000 damage crit on turn 2 and then killed him next turn :p edit: This comment is about the first fight against Bishamonten, I did not know at the time that you had to fight him again to get Masakados. It's quite a lot harder the second time.

[@kiritsu551]

Yeah those 4 bosses there are actually gud designed so they are rlly challenging

[@UltimateRex95]

Isn’t that the same for every boss in a SMT game

[@DeepRabadiya-s2t]

Do kaja and kunda get stacked in all smt games? I never played any smt game before. Thinking about play smt 5 vengeance.

[@apointingsoyjak2302]

Don't know about SMT 5, but SMT 3 -kaja and -unda stack 4 (+4/-4) stages.

[@paiichan-Pyeicedup]

Fog breath wouldve saved you xD i knew when you used the physical sheild megi was coming 😂

[@Redstar2613]

Well, at least it didn't try to take advantage of your innate gullibility. Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne would never do that!

[@JeanSamyr]

Phy Reflec... Bishamon KEWK Almighty damage

[@namasayafern]

megidolaon outta nowhere brah ngl im gon tweaking if he do that

[@freakshitcumlard]

megidolaon jumpscare

[@shis1988]

Endgame bosses do this in 4 too. If you dare have immunities, drain or repel, they'll megidolaon spam you to hell and back.

[@noel_rahman]

They should make persona game like this cuz the boss are babies

[@Windermed]

persona bosses if they were good

[@timmcgarry6723]

Shin megami tensei 3 nocturne would never take advantage of our innate gullibility unlike kingdom hearts 2

[@Kangaroo6991]

said no one ever

[@TentacleShark]

1519 damage, huh? yeah, that Bead would not have helped

[@gamingdudedonal3312]

Whats the point of dekaja if they can just cast buffs during their turn

[@martintc5906]

Why does it look as if it is sped up? Even the megidolaon animation ends before the sound, how come?

[@RushStudios101]

The 60FPS mod for the PC version of nocturne messes with animation timing a bit

[@Windermed]

I used a 60 FPS mod (which was still WIP when i recorded this)

[@miguelmata6883]

Jim Reaper's challenge runs show us that whatever the complain is about this game, it truly is a skill issue :)

[@Windermed]

true. I don’t know how that mad lad does it but his challenge videos truly shows just how much of a skill issue it can be.

[@FaizalKuntz]

When he cast makakaja after the player put attack mirror i immediately panicking

[@briarwilliams7484]

Bro that feels so bad

[@EthVortexShield]

SMT pvp experience

[@Moister356]

Debilitate < Dekaja

[@setiawan2791]

Fight this on Normal mode and he alredy beat my ass even in my ng+ and with fully optimized Demons 😂

[@UltimateRex95]

SMT doesn’t play unlike Persona

[@nowaylater80]

Just skill issue. You using spells so randomly and never prioritizing to heal Demi-Fiend at all.

[@xcezz7979]

Hardtype?

[@Iwatodai]

Dragon eye Makakaja Makakaja Makakaja Makakaja Megidolaon Load

[@LiterallyWhoLmao]

Mediarama on Daisoujou????

[@Windermed]

I was using an infinite MP build on Daisoujou which would allow him to regenerate his MP easily (via Meditation) plus considering that Mediarama gives me like 75% of my health back and is wayy cheaper than Mediarahan i thought that it'd be better to give him that skill instead lol (while having Prayer there in case i need an emergency heal up and remove everyone's status ailments at the same time)

[@LiterallyWhoLmao]

@@Windermed it p much self sustains. Mediarama is just a wasted skill slot

[@Windermed]

@@LiterallyWhoLmaofair i suppose

[@Canadiansamurai]

This is why I don't play mainline SMT. I'm not good enough to handle these kinds of fights.

[@sonicbhoc]

Don't sell yourself short. It's actually not that hard as long as you don't play on hard mode. Every boss has some kind of strategy. Most of the time I enter a boss fight expecting to lose the first time. I tend to fuse up a team and obliterate the boss on my next attempt.

[@somebodyyoudontknow3980]

​@@sonicbhocyeah tbh I thought hard would be too much for me but normal has actually been a bit disappointingly easy so far, I have to admit though I really don't want to deal with the lack of money on hard mode lol. I do expect the game to humble me at some point though, I'm still pretty early game

[@nr2676]

You can switch difficulty in any moment in HD Remaster, for example on Mercifull / Normal only for buying items for default price / not for higher price like in Hard. Then you can go switch on Hard only for boss battles or random encounters. @@somebodyyoudontknow3980​

[@soki-san8515]

Theme?pls?

[@ahmadbemby451]

Just search "One more god rejected"

[@BorsPepsi]

@@ahmadbemby451 except its not the "one more god rejected" theme, its the boss theme (legit just called boss battle).

[@WildWestSushi]

4 makakajas lmao

[@v3nc0r3]

HD version of the game too 😭 imma keep playing persona, yall be easy tho! 💯

[@Windermed]

If it helps, Nocturne was technically my first SMT game after P3 FES so it was kind of my first SMT game. It’s not that difficult to get through imo. The boss that I fought in the video is just one of the many optional bosses in the game and this one in particular was one of the optional bosses to unlock one of the strongest Magatamas in the game (Magatamas basically contain skills you can earn as well as what your weaknesses/resistances are) Still, if you need an SMT game that could help you get into it from Persona I highly recommend playing SMT IV or Devil Survivor. Both games have more focus on the characters and Devil Survivor’s sequel even has a social link system.

[@raybob8668]

I don’t get the quotes, nobody says this.

[@Joker-ft7pq]

skill issue

[@werevin649]

nah, id win

[@arzfan29]

Skill issue

[@Zero254]

skill issue not sorry...

[@waz9758]

you deserved that L

[@Windermed]

ok

[@Warchief-te9jj]

That was just poor play.

[@Windermed]

to be fair tho i didn't think he would pull a megidolaon at that second just like every other encounter i've had up until this one

[@Warchief-te9jj]

@@Windermed that’s why rakukaja is important. War cry and debilitate also help a lot.

[@marcuso7350]

@@Warchief-te9jj this, Rakukaja, War Cry and Fog Breath are a must in any point of the game

[@Void-qz1zd]

should've had Endure imo just saying

[@pizzatime9261]

They did have Endure

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

He did - even if he were to heal up, the second Megidolaon would have still wiped him

[@ActivelyUnaware]

*Demi Fiend throws an attack mirror* Bishamonten: "Heh, cute."

[@Christo6020]

Skill issue