Shin Megami Tensei V Is A Successful Disappointment

[@gonzalocachi4329]

Dislike and goodbye.

[@whitefox25]

did his opinion hurt your feelings your poor baby sounds like you need your milky and a nappy

[@Rogerio_FM]

Pin of shame.

[@ionut-tiberiuciuc9564]

Nice channel. I like the way you review things. I would look forward to videos about SMT III, IV and Persona 3-5.

[@thrillingsun3001]

For a veteran smt fan smt V was a dream come true in terms of gameplay, story was awesome in some parts and just okay in others, but then again smt never has had a traditional style of story telling

[@Aidan42781]

As my first introduction to the series about uhhh....2 days ago and I've certainly been binging it I can safely say it's well worth what I paid. I totally see your points though and I'm ecstatic to find that I can expect even greater things from older titles.

[@FSVR54]

This is the best game in the series lol, watch out

[@tommaspolsinelli2360]

@@FSVR54nah, SMT IV is much better

[@marka.t.s.8344]

Truly my biggest issue with the game was the story: The gameplay? Engaging and fun all throughout the journey. Still had some issues with it, like the way it handles damage based on level scaling and how atrocious it is for harder difficulties, and I hope it wont return next game. The modification to the fusion system making it so you could essentially grind stats on your demons from the get-go was super fun, and even if the level scaling affected it's usefulness, it was still really good for support demons like Idun or Demeter. The magatsuhi bar is an interesting idea which actually requires some thought to reap good results, and the slightly nerfed affinity coming from IVA was curious but just. But what is the use of such an interesting combat system, a fun yet simple exploration focus, and one of the most technically impressive leaps in the series if the IV game is still much better at world building, characters, challenges, side quests, etc. The only important question V poses to the player is if theyd like to live in a world with no demons right at the climax of the story, while IV posed its questions from the begging, going from simole stuff as to if we feeo comfortable in oir position in life, what we'd do in simple conflicts to solve them, or even if in a world so messed up its worth losing our humanity for our survival, all of that long before we're asked what we'll do and who we'll follow.

[@DragonKingX78]

Speaking of DDS, what I wouldn't give to see HD remasters of both games and ported to all systems...also a 3rd game with new characters but the same combat/skill system as the first two would be awesome.

[@Ianbits]

Would love to see them bundled and re-released, those games are so fucking weird but I love em

[@levanbitadze5272]

good thing you went back to your channel ian, best of luck.

[@joshuamikhaelspencer]

I have very recently started trying to get into this series thanks to the gateway of Persona 5 Royal. I really appreciate reviews like this because it shows another side that's not just overwhelming positivity. So I can take the positive reviews and then reviews like this one and be able to make a solid decision on what game I want to play. I watch a lot of review and retrospective content (probably too much) and I really like the way you have this structured. And like others have said I like the use of the work disappointing rather than saying it is bad or something.

[@MooeysAura]

This game was absolutely not a disappointment, sure the alignments could’ve been handled a little better but other than that it was EVERYTHING I could’ve wanted from an SMT5 it tried new things, it has amazing gameplay, solid characters, the true ending is AMAZING, and just the extra lore and everything was just great.

[@DragonKingX78]

I am still waiting for the game to get ported to PS4, PS5, PC, etc......hopefully as a maniacs/special/ultimate edition.

[@beneaththeazure]

Honestly I can't even say that this was a disappointment. In fact I was more amazed on how well this game turned out. The story wasn't great but everything else that the game did was stellar.

[@Voodoostyle88]

Man I hate how this game is only on switch. I'll wait until is gets ported to other platforms

[@porkyminch7716]

I find interesting that you cited good animations at 6:20, showing a video of that particolar boss which made me think "that's a really bad animation" I'm referring to the one it makes at the start of the fight iirc

[@nobodywashere3123]

Agreed. I dont hate the game. But mannnnnn smt4 felt like a religious experience lol. This game just feels like a nocturne fan fiction and stuff like the lvl scaling damage reduction broke me. I quit the game cold turkey for a year cause of all these little pain points. Sadly Atlus has moved on, and i dont think we will ever get back to the glory days of the ps2/ds/3ds era.

[@flanoflare2059]

I'd say my biggest gripe about the game was the slow leveling, the blur of the overall visuals, and the console the game was chosen to be put on for a game that is heavily strategic based and where single actions can decide whether you live or die, it's hard to do when. As soon as you go to press a button, your wonderful perfectly made joy con drifts and causes you to skip a turn or pick the wrong move

[@namanjotsinghns]

The problem with SMT V with me was the atmosphere wasnt enticing at all, I was bored by the areas

[@stephensmith7327]

I feel I like the description of Disappointment better than just bad. I do like how they went back to Lucifers old characterization over 4's. My main problem with 4 is that I felt railroaded into Neutral. Neutral should be the best ending, but Chaos and Law endings should feel like bitersweet endings and not Alt Game Overs.

[@theoofth]

So a team that didn't stick to their design pillars 🤔🤔🤔

[@shardeus8637]

I’ve been looking at this on and off 👀

[@cole9693]

I really enjoyed combat, setting, explorations and number of demons. The story is what i have problem with.... A, B, and C ass side characters alignments. Strong 8.5/10 game tho locv it

[@keeysOST]

Biggest things that disappointed me were the bland cast, the awful missed potential of Sahori, and the absolute sideline of the Heroine. I mean come on, it's called shin MEGAMI Tensei, and the literal Megami in this game does absolutely nothing unless you take the law route.

[@seekingsolutions7078]

I really enjoyed this game! I liked the maze like maps, dungeon crawling and combat. It runs well enough and I think it looks great. Yea it’s not perfect, but I finished it from start to end. No regrets. Edit: I played on the normal difficulty. I’m glad I did- I liked the challenge.

[@Scantronacon]

And that soundtrack🤙🏿🎶

[@seekingsolutions7078]

@@Scantronacon it’s out of this world!

[@four_the_fourth9095]

I am agree to a certain degree with most points you make in this video and obviously everyone has a right to their own opinions but I have to fully disagree on the music take I think this came soundtracks one of its highest qualities

[@four_the_fourth9095]

Although for not being a open world game I think it definitely suffers the open-world problem that games like breath of the wild suffer where is soundtracks are full of amazing songs but a lot of songs because of open-world nature don't get played enough and sometimes you may not even sit down and hear the song in entirety while other songs like the Overworld themes get played so much and after a while you just stopped noticing them

[@four_the_fourth9095]

Like could you name me 5 songs from breath of the Wild? Aside from pieces like the guardian battle theme and the main title theme a lot of pieces blend into the environment so well that when you think of the environment you think of that song but you think only of the environment and not the song itself which isn't entirely an issue because it's doing its job correctly but is very different from other games like Ocarina of Time where pieces like the Lost Woods or castletown stand on their own but make you think of those areas and are connected

[@four_the_fourth9095]

I'm not saying that this style of music is worse than what games did before it's just different and I think a lot of people aren't used to that myself included oh, heck one of my favorite pieces from smt 5 has to be Tokyo Daybreak. you hear this in-game for such a little amount of time and with the kind of game smt 5 is you can't really just go back and hear it whenever you feel like since you know story reasons with Tokyo and all that

[@four_the_fourth9095]

I also feel like the similarities at least between the Tokyo themes for smt 4 and 5 is done on purpose to show kind of like you mentioned, a familiarity you're supposed to have with this world but with how both tracks are similar they're also very different and how they feel and their instrumentation which I think goes to show how these games show that this is still Tokyo but very different

[@CosmicVoid_119]

Game was a snoozefest

[@M.G.F427]

The best rpg I've ever played, the combat, gameplay and visuals are almost perfect for me

[@skakid271]

I like this one. Gameplay is fun. It looks pretty good. Story is bare though. But I liked it

[@hello-gx6oi]

2:40 i kinda wished for a new smt game that spends a little bit more time in the normal state of the world just like in the first game and then builds up to the main event They could still show game play just like what they did in Megami tensie(this is older than the first smt )by having a game within a game

[@KoutenMusashi]

It’s far from a disappointment for me, it’s a very solid title. Do I hold it in high regard the same way I do 4/4Final, no, but it’s definitely worth playing. Maybe one day we’ll get a title that tops every mainline title.

[@pineapplesmoovey7898]

I never realized how many Weiner Demons there were

[@seoulcorpse]

Really great & structured review. I’m about sixty hours in on casual. A game that I also have many conflicting feeling about, but nonetheless is pulling me to its end.

[@WanderingMendicant-qd7mv]

I feel like the story was just nonexistent. Mainline Megatan games tend to have weak stories and characters compared to persona but I hate the time management/social networking mechanics. SMT V actually has some promising characters but there was often many hours of unbroken gameplay before your get a 2 minute cutscene. After so many hours an rpgs gameplay tends to become tedious so the absence of a story really hurts it. I think the exploration is one of the best in a turn based rpg though.

[@nr2676]

SMT 1, SMT 2 have good stories, and Strange Journey have amazing story and very well written characters. The only one Persona with great story is Persona 2 Duology.

[@WanderingMendicant-qd7mv]

@@nr2676 I never played 1 and 2. Pretty sure Strange Journey is considered a spinoff.

[@Junpeidaman190]

​@@WanderingMendicant-qd7mv It's mainline

[@Junpeidaman190]

​@@nr2676and also SMT IV

[@sinisis_sinisis]

Why say smt Vee, rather than Smt5?

[@Ianbits]

I think it's just a subconcious way I talked to differentiate it between SMTIV and Persona 5. If you notice the first time I say it it's right after mentioning Persona 5 so I guess I just did it after that without thinking about it.

[@matteste]

When it comes to the world, it is quite clear that this game is just trying to be a Nocturne 2.0. It is borrowing a lot of elements from that game without really understanding why they worked in that game but not here. There is just a general sense of a lack of vision and creativity with this game. It plays it very safe.

[@Pduarte79]

It feels like a Pokémon games, with 2 versions, Nocturne the chaos version and SMTV the Law version. And I was hoping to be, the love child of Nocturne and SMT4, having the best of both worlds, but nope.

[@ironwolfosiris]

I felt like Atlus was on fire after SMT IV blew me away with all it had going for it, and I mean... IV wasn't perfect but it was DAMN good and one of my favorite games of all time. Nocturne 2.0 is totally what I would call it, and I don't mean that in a good way.

[@brandonmalone1893]

What does he mean by no grinding? He must be playing on easy. Im playing on hard and if you don't grind, your not getting anywhere. The majority of what ive done so far is grind. Its amazing the different experiences you get depending on the mode you play. I guess i must play on a mans mode lol

[@reimu3627]

Been replaying it on hard without grinding and I beat Hydra at level 13 and Nuwa at level 18. I was a few levels below them, and I still managed to beat them. Never had to go in circles fighting the same enemy over and over, just did the few sidequests and specifically fought enemies with a higher level than me. He’s right, you don’t have to grind at all.

[@jmajik18]

Awesome vid. Thanks for posting.

[@itsallenwow]

What’s funny is if people who played persona 5 instead jumped into smt 4 next. Then the annoying comparisons really wouldn’t happen. That obnoxious IGN review I feel like I get why that comp is so prevalent when the setting of smt 5 starts out at a school in Japan. But unlike p5 the characters are all really bland and don’t get much development

[@aquano1972]

Story was always integral to Megami Tensei. It’s literally based off of a manga lol

[@Ianbits]

Hey everyone! Still figuring out exactly how I want to structure these vids but I definitely appreciated the feedback on the last one. Will hopefully try to do one of these a month. Thanks for watching!

[@gonzalocachi4329]

Never gonna watch your videos again.

[@zenithdragon]

Note: Instead of calling it SMTV every time you could have made it a joke throughout by just referring to the game as "Bob" My main complaints about the game are that: 1. You have practically no influence on the story with chaos v. law, especially when compared to IV. IV actually branched out and had clearly different endings while V had a few endings that were all practically the same. The alignment stuff is barebones and I wish it was incorporated more into the story like how different dialogue options would impact your alignment and some would have more of an impact than others.. 2. I think there are fewer demons in this game which is a bit sad since the demon designs are extremely good. The new designs though for some of the demons are pretty cool though. 3. The removal of gun skills was sad since I really liked that dynamic because it allowed for some variance in playthroughs as well as another weakness to exploit or be cautious of. 4. The last quarter of the game felt poorly paced with level scaling (up until that point I thought it was perfect). 5. I thought the visuals of the landscapes weren't varied much. 6. I dislike it when games have you game over when the main character dies in battle. I dislike having to plan around being unlucky and having the enemies all focus down the main character and avoid attacking the other party members. 7. The DLC demon Cleopatra trivializes a lot of the endgame (to be clear, not the post game or other dlc) because Frolic is busted. 8. The side missions are pretty boring for the most part and not very memorable imo. This also ties in with the first point since the side missions are the only way in V that you can impact your alignment to my knowledge and they are very clear cut. Also the story and worldbuilding was pretty underwhelming. What I liked: 1. I liked that they kept the demon recruitment from SMTIV Apocalypse and P5. It feels way less RNG heavy than how it was in IV 2. The essence system for giving skills to yourself or demons is great and allows you to way more easily swap out what you need for upcoming fights. It is also a neat way of impacting the nahobino's weaknesses and resistances. 3. Although I didn't like how the visuals were for the different areas, I did like how open they were for exploration and they weren't so big to the point of it being tedious to explore the map. 4. Glad they kept mudo and hama as damage skills and not as just instakill. 5. The Hydra is a great early boss to humble you at the beginning of the game. Always more difficult thinking of things a game got right and did well than what they did wrong or badly but overall the game was an enjoyable experience. I should really get around to playing agin and completing the demon compendium.

[@Ianbits]

I considered calling it "Smitty V" as a joke but thought it would be forced I agree with most of what you say, definitely liked some of the additions from SMTIV: Apoc like elemental affinities for demons and demon recruitment

[@adult11252]

Despite many flaws, I hope they will follow an open-world direction like this in the next game with more gimmicks.

[@faidou9954]

I will give ATLUS this, they did get many out of over 100 Million people to buy the Nintendo Switch regardless of how disappointing the game would've been in the end. It's starting to feel like ATLUS has been loosing their touch lately, especially with how this game and how Soul Hackers 2 was received. 2 disappointing anticipated games in a row is not something I would let slide with a franchise as respected as Shin Megami Tensei.

[@slapuallday]

Fingers crossed their next game will be Persona 6 🙏🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼

[@athorem]

Blame the Maniax Team who did SMT V and SH2. Considering their previous games were SMT IV Apocalypse and Tokyo Mirage Sessions, maybe we should have seen this coming.

[@hello-gx6oi]

@@athorem what happened to the other team who worked on the old games?

[@athorem]

@@hello-gx6oi A number of the most important members left or had less significant roles

[@hello-gx6oi]

@@athorem so basically they desolved then turned into the maniax team?

[@maverick5169]

Despite the bad cast and story, I would lie if I said that I didn't enjoy this game much more than 3, 4 and 4A. The gameplay is just that much more fun and while some people try to diss on magic build because they can only think "hard to pull off in a dlc boss fight = bad build overall", V offers great balance when it comes to its two damaging stats for the protag. And I don't have to dread anymore whenever I must recruit some demons to fuse because once you have the macca/items to recruit a demon, you just get it. No more bs "you did everything correctly but I won't join because I said so". Plus the maps look great and they are fun to explore. This is the only pure SMT game I like to revisit since it doesn't hate being played

[@alsaiduq4363]

Good vid

[@Ianbits]

Thanks much!

[@Buliwyf90]

I loved the music, I loved the combat, I loved the world, but I hated the characters, I hated the story, I hated how the endings are handled. Smt5 required a completely different story, focusing more on the demonic/post-apo world and characters living in it. All in all, I enjoyed playing the game, but fuck if it was disappointing

[@Junpeidaman190]

SMT V vengeance be like

[@Buliwyf90]

@@Junpeidaman190 playing it, still in the second map, do spoil it pls

[@joshuafoote5144]

I enjoy the game personally.

[@DoshuaH]

I hope that they improve the story in a potential expansion game. That’s the only aspect of the game I dislike. I had a lot of fun and I think the presentation is one of my favorites

[@archonthaaproducer]

I personally just dislike the story. I'm praying they give us a maniax or royal version of the game adding on to what in my opinion is a solid foundation. It'll be 2 years since the release and iirc, P5R came out 2 years after P5 so if that's any trend to go by then I can only hope.

[@Pduarte79]

Coming from Strange Journey Redux, Smt4 and Smt4 Apocalypse, SMTV feels like wasted potential, better than BDSP, though 😏. Has fun gameplay, but the story and cast, besides Nuwa 🥰😏 lol, falls short, has a nice premise, but the execution 😅 and I ain't the biggest fan of the Cloyster demon 🤭😏 wind puzzle dungeon.

[@Fearyfursday]

Try devil survivor!

[@Pduarte79]

@@Fearyfursday If gets a Switch HD Port, I will think about it.

[@Terron29]

It most certainly did not disappoint me except for its overall performance. I did feel it was too blurry and the fps took noticeable hits. I guess I would have liked a bit more location variety too but again after the first half this improved a lot. I adored the focus on gameplay/combat/exploration/customisation as I favor that in my jrpgs over story and dialogue (though I like some of that too) . Music was fairly mediocre until the halfway mark and it started to pick up, by end game it was great. The game got better and better in general as it went on. I really liked it and I think its my favorite rpg of the year.

[@drabberfaun5353]

Pepe view go up

[@playoffl36ron8]

don't listen to this guys it's mid af

[@Brsn98]

Is this worth playing at all? I've never touched a SMT game before, but it looks interesting.

[@Ianbits]

Overall I'd say it's worth a try! Then if you like it you can try SMTIV or SMT: Nocturne which I think are better games but they're a bit less new player friendly

[@Rajin90]

@@Ianbits I heavily disagree with Nocturne being better. No displayed enemy HP, no displayed affinities (once learned), random encounters, no saferoom teleport (neither to nor between them), unable to sort/rearrange spells, ... I killed Forneus and uninstalled the game. It was a horrible experience. On 4 I cannot comment, as I haven't played that game.

[@obi-wankenobi4337]

​@@Rajin90​ I get opinions can't be wrong, but hot damn is you're take absolutely abysmal. "No enemy health bar" Is this your first non modern JRPG or something? This had been the norm for several JRPGs. Point of that is to add a lot of tension when fighting the bosses because you don't know how close or far you are. No displayed affinities? Can you not read? The game fucking tells you what your resistant to, what you Null, or what your weak against. Maybe if you didn't uninstall the game after the first boss, you wouldn't be listing this dumbass of a criticism as a criticism. "Random encounters" That's fair for those who have never played a non modern JRPG before. Personally never bothered me because I grew up in that era. "No safe room teleport" Dude you've got to be the most retarded person on the planet. Once you find terminals, the game allows you to teleport between them. Some of the longer dungeons even allow you to teleport between eachother. This isn't Persona guy, your goal is to ready up and then progress. Again, you uninstalled the game at the first boss, you never had the chance to actually discover this mechanic or really any mechanic. You cannot be real dude. "Unable to sort or rearrange spells" This is a turn based JRPG, sorting spells doesn't fucking matter WHAT? This complaint is just nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking and it makes you look even more braindead. In conclusion. If you didn't even finish a game, let alone get passed the first level, and it's because you didn't like it, then just say "I stopped at the first boss because I personally didn't like it." Don't list fake criticisms against the game that you have absolutely no knowledge about because you just like stupid and people like me get to point and laugh. With that I do recommend SMT IV if you haven't played it.

[@morriganrenfield8240]

I was incredibly let down with the game unfortunately. Between combat, exploration, frame rate, story, characters…none of it holds up compared to anything I’ve played from atlus aside from #TMS, the 4 duology is easily my favorite atlus games. Honestly i didn’t even really like the game at all and scarlet nexus was the quality i had hoped this game would have had that year…Definitely was my goty

[@jaimeruiz3471]

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[@SzotyMAG]

PepeLaugh HE DOESNT KNOW

[@SzotyMAG]

PepeLaugh

[@sinisis_sinisis]

First

[@officialdazer]

Persona 5 is absoluetly trash. Like how can you even talk about what a good RPG is in terms of gameplay when you bring up what is essentially 70 hours of watching high school cringe anime complimented by 30 hours of the easiest dungeon crawling experience ever? Persona 5 is so fuckin trash. When I hear people say it is great their opinion just becomes irrelevant to me.

[@CosmicVoid_119]

Persona 5 sold way more copies then this trash nobody care about those old garbage smt game just look at snooze hackers 2 and he game was dead on arrival 😂

[@M.G.F427]

​@@CosmicVoid_119Yeah and Fifa sold more copies, it must be a better game than Shitsona 5

[@M.G.F427]

Facts, Persona 5 is horrible

[@CosmicVoid_119]

@@M.G.F427 cope

[@M.G.F427]

@@CosmicVoid_119 I don't need to, I have almost every mainline smt instead of that midsona garbage