SHOCKER AMP vs EMPIRE SYX 1.5 - WHICH IS BETTER?! / Shocker AMP & EMpire Syx 1.5 Comparison

[@XxJkatxX]

At the $400-$450 the SYX is going for used they are an amazing deal. Heck as of recent I have seen the SYX handle brittle paint better than the amp.

[@Sethnewport]

This. The Syx is substantially cheaper, and shoots better. Until the AMP can handle tournament paint, it's not as good as a Syx. End of discussion.

[@Dave-wy5nq]

There's a lot to discuss in here, but the most important one is price: the Syx in this video is $599, not $699. That makes it 1/3 cheaper than an AMP. The $699 Syx comes with a 3-back barrel kit, ands those backs are available for the other model separately. The fact that you can even have this conversation when one marker is 1/3 less money than the other one says a lot about what a great value the Syx is. On a side note, you all mentioned in there that the AMP would be way more efficient than the Syx. It isn't even a little more efficient. Just sayin...

[@joedesimone6117]

this is facts it still runs threw so much air

[@nyphon]

What were prices when you wrote this? AMP has never been 1200 dollar... AS OF RIGHT NOW AMP is 900 (highest price afaik), and SYX is 700.

[@Dave-wy5nq]

Ya, bad number. At the time it was $400 cheaper than the Syx...my prices were accurate, but my % was wrong. The point remains valid. The AMP is the worst mid-range marker by a wide margin, and wouldn't win a real heads-up comparo with a Syx, ever.

[@dopemopey]

How do you make a shocker better? Add the gamma core.

[@robjohn4842]

I know this will get me some hate....but I actually prefer the Syx. It feels more solid, durable and rugged in my hands. Even the build quality of the syx felt better, which says a lot considering its made by Empire and is at a cheaper price point. Both have a shot feel that I enjoy and both shoot paintballs down an aluminum tube just fine. Plus, i've seen the Syx going for 550-650 brand new in some corners. That's much better bang for your buck. For a $900 marker, I was very disappointed in the overall quality of the Amp and I feel like it was a step back in this regard compared to the XLS platform. Even the engine had a cheapness to it that I can't quite put my finger on. The twist knob for the engine can be slick and difficult to turn when covered in paint or if your fingers are oily. The front grip has a habit of sliding down a little too easily. There is a visible gap between the frame and body if you hold it at the right correct angle on the passenger side (at least mine had that issue). I hate saying all this because the CVO is in my Top 3 markers, I loved that thing. :( I think the only way I would really recommend the Amp is if you are very determined to have the mech version of the Amp and hate the PE or CVO options. I hope many of these quality issues will be addressed as time goes on, and maybe my opinion on it will change in the future.

[@MrBottlecapBill]

It shoots paint too lol.

[@Sethnewport]

No hate from me. I agree with you.

[@Sleezax]

Haven't played in 15 years. Want to buy a syx1.5 for myself. And a mini gs for my small handed wife lol. Seem to be they will b good enough for what we need

[@robjohn4842]

@@Sleezax I think the syx is a safer option, especially on the budget, if ur just getting back after 15 years.

[@Sleezax]

@@robjohn4842 thanks brother.

[@ENOCK360]

I disagree with ease of maintenance. Normal maintenance isn’t taking the frame off. All the mini, axe, and syx engines are easier to lube than a spool valve. Pull the engine out. Pull off bolt and spring. Lube. Reassemble. Just my opinion though. To each their own. Thanks for the video.

[@RagingBacon916]

I agree with this sentiment; if you have to pull the frame off, ya dun goofed

[@MrBottlecapBill]

@@RagingBacon916 I've gone years without ever pulling a grip frame off. There's no need, unless the milling doesn't quite fit and you get paint spray inside the frame, which I've heard the AMP has an issue with as well although I haven't witnessed the frame gap personally.

[@jezzyomega6328]

@@MrBottlecapBill Please provide a source.. I have been reading a lot of hate and I am trying to make a solid purchase and swerve on these loser haters.. The AMP is and has been shown through many different reviews as amazing and anything else is preference.

[@MrBottlecapBill]

@@jezzyomega6328 Sorry I only saw this 3 years late lol. I believe they mention it in another Punishers video and a couple comments below us.

[@kernalcorn84]

Loving my amp i got from you guys , thanks

[@PunishersPaintball]

Glad to be of service!

[@KrustyFish]

Is the amp still working?

[@kernalcorn84]

@@KrustyFish yes , just fine , why ?? Even works better with the cc frame

[@t-four9473]

I highly disagree with this. I own a Syx 1.5 and after seeing my 2 friends shooting their Amps I have to say this. They easily have broken more paint than I have with both the Syx and Amp running stock bolts and have heard similar things from other players on the field. My suggestion if you’re going to spend that much money for an Amp then it’s better to buy a 170r in my opinion. And if you want the 170r to be softer on paint buy the Super Stanchy gamma core. The 170r is great with the stock bolt. I was breaking 1 or 2 balls per day but with Stanchy bolt I haven’t broken a single paint in my gun yet. Certainly with that set up it’s way softer on paint and reliable than the Amp. Also softer than the Syx but equal on reliability

[@DodgeThis]

Were they shooting hot? That breaks balls

[@reedwetzel1324]

It amazes me that empire abandoned the vanquish platform the v16 bolt was great. But I never liked how cheaply made the parts where on the vanquish was and maybe that is why empire abondondon the platform.

[@andrewmasaberg1116]

Right, they need to make a vanquish 2 with a new asa on/off switch, make it lighter but built better with nice hard ware and make it toolless. Is it that hard fr? Planet eclipse can do it why not empire. Literally the only good gun they really made that everyone loved they dropped it and I have no idea why it's stupid

[@reubenhernandez276]

Haven't had a chance to shoot either one yet But the snow is melting so I'm keep my fingers 🤞🤞🤞and again grate video.

[@MrBottlecapBill]

Not to be a jerk but when you say things like "I suspect it's going to be a little back heavy" I have to assume you've never used the gun which makes me question the review. You may be correct but at least set it up fully to know for sure. Maintenance and disassembly are not the same thing. The axe is one of the simplest and easiest guns on the market to maintain. It's not the easiest to disassemble but honestly you shouldn't be taking your grip frame off regularly anyway. The axe shoots brittle paint, the amp already has a fatal flaw in the design which means it's not handling that paint well. The oring mod is not a fix, it's a band aid covering a problem. I wouldn't buy an AMP until they fix it unless you never plan on using brittle paint, which is hard to plan.

[@Sethnewport]

100% disagree. I own an XLS, love it, but the AMP is not better then a Syx. Setting aside that a used Syx can be had hundreds of dollars cheaper then an AMP, it just does not handle paint as well as a SYX does. Shocker has already released an 'update' to change some orings in the bolt system to induce more drag, and thus, slow the bolt down. This is a band aid fix for design flaw in the bolt that causes it to have poor paint handling. For a marker that costs this much to not be able tournament paint is a joke. If I wanted a marker that shoots like an AMP, I'd buy a used 170R cheaper, and it would work better. Totally get you guys are trying to sell some AMPs, but it's not worth it until they become cheaper, and they fix the bolt acceleration problem.

[@MrBottlecapBill]

I'm pretty sure it's a ball stack issue. Too much rolling around in the breech. Bolt speed can go pretty high without issues if the ball stack is nicely upright. If not, then you need to worry about bolt speed because you're smashing the next paintball in line which is hanging down into the breech. I don't have an amp though, so I can't really test it out.

[@jezzyomega6328]

People complaining about the shocker AMP are all talk. I have not seen a single issue I am looking for real life experience on a new marker.

[@OmgItsZakkE]

Is that the old school Evil Pipe barrel you are referring to?

[@Nightwing978]

Isnt that driver barrel on the syx 1.5?

[@cristinacartagena4779]

I bought a Shocker AMP. Before that I had a dye and Empire Axe. The Empire Axe was one of the best markers I used. I used to play tournaments with it. Empire guns are the most reliable out there in my opinion. You don't need a $1,500 gun to compete and we shouldn't normalize that. The shocker amp is a better gun than the syx. At the same time I wouldn't mind having a syx on my hands, in fact I wish Empire would bring out a better $900 gun to compete against Shocker and PE. If Empire brings a better shooting, lower psi than the syx it will be a no brainer for people to buy that over any shocker, dye or even maybe PE. In conclusion both guns are amazing and can be used for tournaments. Empire guns are more reliable and require less maintenance.

[@cristinacartagena4779]

PS. If you buying an AMP, you must by the soft bolt tip.

[@jai2wavy187]

The amp has more customization than the syx. I have a hard time finding upgrades for my syx.And my syx leaks sometimes don’t know how to fix that

[@benjaminkitchen7562]

I stan the Syx

[@glennsparks919]

Sees title. "I'll go get the popcorn."

[@PunishersPaintball]

Hopefully you were quite entertained!

[@glennsparks919]

@@PunishersPaintball It's good, the syx is sick, frame maintenance is super dumb. Bought an AMP and I'm pretty stoked.

[@gtifury310]

Hey guys. I picked up an AMP a couple months back. The fore"grip" just slides off of the regulator piece of the frame. It's still winter in Chicago, so I haven't even shot it yet. Do you have a hack to fix this? I was thinking about picking up some hockey or sports tape. Kinda lame on a $900 gun though.

[@bhacker15gm]

Try cleaning it and the regulator with rubbing alcohol let it dry for 5 min. Might have some lube or something on it you can't see.

[@robjohn4842]

I had the same issue. meh.

[@PunishersPaintball]

Aaron, we haven’t had this happen to ours yet! It is meant to be removable and is not integrated with the metal frame of the gun but if it seems more slippery than it should be then we would also recommend cleaning it with rubbing alcohol and letting it dry before putting the grip back, that’s a good suggestion.

[@gtifury310]

@@PunishersPaintball thanks guys!

[@MrBottlecapBill]

In the video he slides the thing off and on without effort......sooooooooo ya. That's what's going to happen lol. I doesn't seem to click on or have any means of securing it. Kind of silly honesly. You already need tape for the back grips, may as well use some on the metal to tighten the foregrip as well. :D

[@rickbirmingham2055]

Empire/GI is totally missing out on the mech market. So many Axes/Axe2.0/Axe Pro/Mini GS in the wild, if just one model offered a mech frame, wow. But then again, they were not engineered with the simple frame change of the Amp, so definitely not as easy to produce or implement. I know my Axe Pro 2015 would have a mech frame, if offered.

[@TheInflicted]

There's no feasible way to adapt the Mini or its derivative designs to mechanical operation. Dwell time is just too key to the gun's velocity and efficiency and a mechanically-timed dwell (a small pneumatic pilot valve?) is too complicated, expensive, and bulky to implement.

[@bazookaboy2377]

Let’s not ignore the amp issues * cough

[@Dave-wy5nq]

Too late! Also the Syx now comes with 3 backs (the one in the vid is $599, or 50% less than an AMP, and comes with one). And, the Syx is hugely easier on paint and in fact is as efficient as an AMP.

[@bboycullen2940]

@@Dave-wy5nq not to mention the 170 is a better opt for 100 dollars less planet eclipses reliability is unmatched

[@piersonbyrd5917]

@@Dave-wy5nq oddly enough every time I’ve seen a Syx it hasn’t worked lol, not saying the amp always does either.

[@jezzyomega6328]

Show me a amp with problems, dont be a hater piece is DANK!

[@bazookaboy2377]

@@jezzyomega6328 h8 all day

[@ryanweaver2244]

Amp all day and twice on Sunday. But I’m pretty biased

[@PunishersPaintball]

We know lol

[@Terminatorbart]

Shocker!

[@piersonbyrd5917]

Amp all the way

[@andrewmasaberg1116]

Shocker amp all day 😂😂 that's like comparing a Honda Civic vs a Acura nsx

[@normang3668]

To be fair, the modern Civic Type R is as fast as an original NSX so. . .

[@andrewmasaberg1116]

Yeah 20 years later dude. A type r isn't exactly a grocery getter. I'm talking about a d15 b7 sohc grocery getter compared to a nsx

[@sergioruiz833]

I disagree tremendously