Shooting Remington Cartridge Conversions.m4v

A brief description of Remington New Model Army cartridge conversions followed by shooting a Taylor's & Co. replica with both black powder and Winchester smokeless ammunition.

[@duelist1954]

Also, just for the record, since you have made this criticism on a bunch of my videos. I start a lot of shooting sequences gun up, so the viewer gets a good look at the gun. You have also commented on my finger being on the trigger when I am showing the features of the gun at the table top. I personally don't see the problem with that on a gun that I have demonstrated is empty, but once again, for the record, let me say "Noted" and move on.

[@patrickmcleod111]

**You whipper-snappers and your newfangled "cartridges"!** In my day, if we wanted to shoot, we had to crush up charcoal briquettes, then mine our own lead, sulfur AND saltpeter, then jam it all into our blunderbuss barrel with a hickory stick! What's the rush anyway? Lol. Good job with your videos. They are very straightforward and helpful.

[@ShredderSensei]

I just want to say this gentleman is a hell of a shot. I've seen him make some shots with these pistols that "experts" would tell you weren't possible

[@gabeking9444]

This will be a good addition with my Springfield musket, never did I see a beautifully designed gun

[@duelist1954]

I live in central Pennsylvania. Legal open carry and Shall Issue CCW state. I left New England 35 years ago...never going back.

[@duelist1954]

Taylor's & Co. They are on the web.

[@johnthorne8330]

Just want to say how useful your videos are for someone getting started with classic firearms. Thanks and keep up the good work

[@SlickVega]

thanks for posting this video :) I have a completely non-historical .45LC conversion cylinder for one of my 58 remingtons that has a 'lid' on the rear of the whole cylinder with an individual firing pin for each chamber. It means the whole cylinder must be removed to reload, but I can also use it as cap and ball anytime which is nice :D great vid!

[@duelist1954]

Now, as far as saying "bullets" rather than "cartridge cases", you are right, that is just plain wrong. However, you try keeping everything straight in your head and out of your mouth while filming and dealing with the gun. After you make a couple of hundred videos without a flub, you may report back to me on how easy it is. If I catch a mistake I reshoot the scene, but, if I don't catch it until I'm back at the ranch I'll let it ride if it is minor...like that one.

[@terranceperkins9656]

Love your replies to the couch commanodes. Agree with everything. Black powder requires a complete different mindset. He'll just going to pour a charge can produce a powder horn explosion. Also those squackers most likely never had to slap leather and throw lead.

[@cdavidlake2]

LOL. You rule, Mike.

[@P61guy61]

I like your videos. Have watched them for years. You do a great job.

[@nocrap62]

I have converted several of these cap & ball Remingtons. 38 special and 38 short CF. Also a few '51 & '61 Colt Navys. I always put a firing pin in the nose of the hammer and lined the barrel. Some I made new cylinders and some put a machines ring on the back of the original cyclinder. All shot fairly good. I also found out the reproduction Remingtons are a hair smaller than the originals, or the ones I've converted. Great video, thanks.

[@duelist1954]

The gun and cylinder are not sold separately. This gun was purpose built as a cartridge firing weapon. Taylor's & Co sells it.

[@johntaylorpelletier9349]

Nice video thanks for taking time out of your day to make it for all of us

[@vincelok894]

Actually, you can buy the 1858 ball and cap from Cabelas, probably around $200-$300. Then the converters are made by several people, like "Howell" or "Kirst" they go for like $300 as well though. For Howell (or "R&D") conversions that's all you need. For a Kirst converter, you can cut a port into the side of the gun (dremel, file, etc) if you want a gate like a Peacemaker.

[@duelist1954]

OK. Look everybody, let's play nice with each other. There are plenty of internet trolls who show up here from time to time, but I don't think this guy is one of them. Wichita, my only issue with you is that you make the same criticism on every video of mine that you see. I get it. OK? For the record that road noise is off to the left. Down range is a very big hill. I made a few early videos on this range. At my usual video range/studio the backstop is a big assed mountain.

[@duelist1954]

@SlickVega Those R7D conversion cylinders are based on actual 19th century Remington conversion cylinders. They were found on .36 Remington Navy and Remington Police revolvers and they converted them to fire .38 rimfire cartridges. Instead of firing pins befind each chamber, the cylinder back was slotted so the hammer could it the rims

[@TheFoundersWereRight]

They were .46 Remington, which was a rimfire cartridge. This began in the mid-late 1860's and came out before any of the colt conversions if I remember correctly

[@chaoszen1]

The gunsmith who did the conversion on my Pietta copy with Kirst converter mentioned to me that he timed it. The Taylors version is timed and ready to shoot from the factory, which is nice. Actually in hindsight I should have bought the Taylors version as it would have saved me some money overall. But I was concerned about the grip size being smaller on the Umberti. Great video. I also have one posted for my Pietta project.

[@bushwhackedonvhs]

Black powder and its substitutes are, in my opinion, much more satisfying to shoot. Black powder guns of large bores tend to boom and throw out lots of smoke and flash and I really like that, the visceral experience of shooting is far more compelling to me than how minute I can make my groups

[@charleydraper8656]

Nothing like having a single action revolver in your hands, they are works of art, of a simpler time.

[@duelist1954]

I don't know what those abbreviations mean, but I'm guessing you guys live somewhere where the government makes it hard to own guns. At any rate as I said this is legally a firearm. Whatever hoops you have to go through in your area to own a 1911 in .45 ACP, you will have to go through to own this Remington conversion.

[@duelist1954]

No these are modern made guns built for normal cartridges. They will handle any factory .44-40 load.

[@duelist1954]

The factory conversions do not have safety notches...neither did the original 19th century conversions.

[@midianallmighty]

Music to my ears. Thanks for posting.

[@duelist1954]

6. They are made for cartridges from the ground up.

[@1925sk]

Nowdays, it doesn't take long to lose your patience, and this is one of them.

[@duelist1954]

In this conversion that is not an option. The firing pin is in the conversion ring. The hammer never gets anywhere near the cylinder.

[@duelist1954]

This gun is a factory made, legal firearm.

[@paulvine5056]

Nice gun and video!

[@SlickVega]

@duelist1954 very cool! thanks for the info! i'll have to read-up on conversions, one aspect of my firearms knowledge i've neglected

[@duelist1954]

What you are saying is true, but it is not true of the gun in the video, which is purpose bult by Uberti as a cartridge-firing gun, and it is not dimensionally compatible with Uberti's cap and ball Remington's.

[@duelist1954]

@ThePatrick6122 It depends on the laws of your state.

[@waldowaite4044]

A step backwards. You could swap out cylinders in percussion quicker than you could load cartridges.

[@INTERNATIONAL_RDF-D]

True but would you rather have to carry several heavy bulky cylinders which are dangerous to carry capped in which a cap could easily fall off a nipple. Or carry cartridges that are lighter therefor you can carry more and you don't have to vigorously clean multiple cylinders. Personally I'd rather carry a Remington cartridge conversion and use my 51 navy as a pommel gun. But by 1876 I'd want a s&w 3rd model Russian or a schofeild

[@jfcard0055]

Never happened historically. Just because it can be done with modern guns made with modern CNC machinery doesn't mean the historical guns could.

[@grizzlyblackpowder1960]

Not sure that's accurate, im Pretty sure you could at least get a few cartridges in faster than a cylinder swap, at least enough to get back in the fight.

[@todgrim8543]

thanks for the fast response and great video looks like alot of fun

[@duelist1954]

@obamatheimposter This gun is manufactured as a replica cartridge conversion. It comes timed properly from the factory.

[@ryanjames170]

i have one of the Kirst Konverters,, i have to say i think i like the conversions quite alot

[@Liberty-or-Death-1776]

4:36 You could buy extra cylinders for the actual cartridge model from a Uberti importer and quick swap them just like you can with the black powder conversion cylinders I'd bet. Pale Rider style.

[@ThatSmokeGuy13]

about how much did the Remington factory conversion cost?

[@duelist1954]

@Jummigackal As a gun writer I get them from the importer, but you can have your FFL holder order one from Taylor's & Co.

[@lukeallison1182]

Hey man I love the videos

[@chrisssyyyburt1783]

Good shooting man!! (Y)

[@MrDNK1981]

The James-Younger Gang at the beginning of their crime career 1866-1871 carried Colt Navy Revolvers, Remington Army Revolvers, & Colt Dragoon Revolvers. After 1872 They carried Colt Army, Peacemaker, & Frontier Revolvers & also Hopkins & Allen Revolvers and Smith & Wesson Schofields.

[@jackson4861]

Awesome thanks for sharing, Steve in Montana.

[@sharpie443]

It's just like unloading a Russian nagant revolver.

[@charliesierra6919]

Great vid and beautiful rig Mike! I want to do a Kirst conversion on my Pietta snubnose .44 with birdshead grip.

[@Drezin86]

You showed on the cap-and-ball versions of these guns (the colt navy and the Remington new model army) how on the cylinders there are slots in between the nipples (that the hammer can be rested in so the gun can be carried safely with all 6 chambers loaded. Can you do the same on these cartridge conversion guns? I assume you can when just replacing the cylinder, but what about the factory made conversions?

[@MrJake985]

WichitaMule should change his handle to KansasJackass

[@willbalkum1]

Does Taylors & Co. make a stainless steel version of their 1858 conversion? (The gun not the cylinder)

[@user-rd2vp2kt1q]

1:11 this is a favolous gun

[@MuskratOutdoors]

I would love to have one in 44WCF. Really, IO want a Richards Conversion in 44WCF, but they don;t make 'em in that caliber.

[@dennishartford2077]

Looking for a 44-40 conversion cylinder also!!!

[@MuskratOutdoors]

@@dennishartford2077 The closest I've seen is in 44 Russian, or 44 Special. Why not in 44-40? Maybe the cylinder isn't long enough? I think it is, they do make a 45 colt. I might be wrong, but I think they are the same length?

[@hpsmith2010]

Hello, I'm wondering, have you ever fired jacketed bullets with your converted revolver? Supposedly it's recommended that only lead bullets be used, but I've never heard anyone explain exactly why.

[@backlash00]

Sir, I have the Uberti Remington 1858 New Model Army C&B and the matching cartridge conversion pistol. Both with engraving and white grips. Beautiful guns. I have always wondered if this conversion gun with the ball ram system intact really existed in the 19th century. I think you said it did. Can you please point me to information about this conversion. Love all your videos.

[@journeyquest1]

Shootout: "Hold on a minute while i pull my 3 ft long pistol out of its tight holster". lol

[@lancenorton1117]

HAHA, Clint Eastwood used the 1851 Navy Conversion in most of the Spaghetti Westerns. Which is as long as this pistol.

[@newhuskytwenty]

I could be worst.In my country we have to get from the Police a special license even to buy muzzle loading guns, but we also can get other licenses to get modern fireguns.

[@VigilanceTech]

where is the best place to buy the cylinder and the gun and how much are they?

[@thebluesrockers]

is this still considered a black powder pistol by law, or is it considered a gun that you need to be registered for owning?

[@sharpie443]

I'm planing on buying that gun soon.

[@adampablodayc]

Thanks,love your vids.

[@carlosmurphy4u1]

I just ordered a pair this AM from Taylor's.

[@duelist1954]

Yes

[@bpblitz]

Another conversion I'd seen just seemed to be a cylinder conversion with a special backplate that covered all the cartridge slots. Did that one predate this much faster loading conversion, or were they contemporary to each other? I'm curious if this style of conversion would have been available circa 1870.

[@duelist1954]

James Guest The removable back plate conversions date to about 1867 or '68

[@exexpat11]

Two companies these days. There is the Kurst Conversion and the Howell Conversion. I think Taylors currently have the rights to both conversion methods. 1870? Hmm. Not sure. I know S&W had the lock on cartridge guns for a while and blocked Colt and Remington (Remington bought the rights from S&W I think) and wanted to put the hurt on Colt. Were their conversions? I think their were. Some were made without the rights and some were hand made by gunsmiths. Then right as the rights expired Colt dumped a lot of their Surplus Inventory on the market with conversions 1871-1872.

[@Ruggz1515]

No loading gate? The cartridges just hung right out there? That's so interesting. Couldn't that have a potential for getting the cartridges dirty and what not?

[@mikenanny8942]

x

[@roballen8431]

Cost

[@MrJake985]

Very well said Sir!

[@zombiekillerwithblood1233]

If you leave the loading lever out of place like how you did in the video and put the ram rod back first will it interfere while the gun fires? Because id like to know if i can reload the gun faster that way instead of dropping the ram rod down each time

[@vesuviano9]

bel ferro e complimenti per la sua velocità nel ricaricare e sparare

[@centrum.nurkowe.FirstDive]

witam , gdzie można kupić te conversję ?

[@Zimtack]

where can you get one of this conversions?

[@351WINCHESTER]

Can one safely shoot standard .45 Colt loads or must you stay with the cowboy loads?

[@duelist1954]

Cowboy loads really are just standard .45 Colt loads. Any lead bullet non-plus P should be fine except Ultramax ammo. Ultramax specifically says not to use its ammo in conversion cylinders.

[@Skykingsound]

Thank you for this.

[@stewknoles4790]

The sound is not very good on this vid Mike. I don't care for the Howell conversions either. Why can't the Italians make a proper replica??

[@alanlilja1850]

I dont understand, is the US made replicas more accurate?

[@jumpa01]

I think he was asking in a round about way.... do you need an F.I.D.or a L.T.C now to use it

[@Ruggz-pz7tw]

Were these or Colts Richards Conversions more prominent back then?

[@franciscobonds7047]

can you shoot modern 45 Long Colt or do i have to use cowboy action ammo

[@todgrim8543]

must cowboy amunition be used in these conversions because of pressure or drop in cylinders

[@leloodallasmultipass]

does the gun now need to be registered as a normal firearm? black powder pistols do not, this is why i ask.

[@obamatheimposter]

Did you have to adjust the timming after installing the conversion?

[@9piecewood]

Why dont all the conversion cylinders just use that modified hammer, so you dont have to use that silly back plate?

[@kcasarez4896]

Hello i like your video i am a very big fan of old West revolvers i had a question when you said smokeless powder did you mean modern gun powder cartridge?

[@kcasarez4896]

Ok i saw some of the other comments and found my answer thank you

[@cathat227]

After the loading gate is installed could you still switch back in the black powder cylinder if you wanted to fire it later

[@weitzfc1]

yes

[@jeffshootsstuff]

Do these have 5 chambers or 6?

[@charangoguy]

I heard, many years ago, that when Remington made the 1875 New Army cartridge pistol, they left the webbed loading lever in place and promoted it as a "Sabre Guard" for hand-to hand combat purposes. Any truth in this?

[@duelist1954]

I've never heard that story, so I would say it is probably not true. Everything I've seen on the subject says they were trying to maintain a visible connection to the silhouette their highly popular cap & ball New Model Army revolver.

[@jumpa01]

You are certainly right about the hoops duel after you jump through those hoops they make you do it again.backwards IF A COP SO MUCH AS PULLS YOU OVER IN A COP CAR AND GIVES YOU A TICKET THAT MAKES YOUR CHANCES GO FROM 80% CHANCE OF GETTING IT TO A 20 % CHANCE OF GETTING IT & IT SEEMS THEY WANT TO BRAND ALL THE KIDS AROUND HERE WITH SOME TYPE OF A CRIME on their record to keep them from getting a permit to carry. Where are you from? I may have to pack up camp and head out of Massachusetts

[@ThePatrick6122]

I didn't ask how to deliver the coup de grace on an animal. I asked about the power. Now if you want to answer my question, that would be fine.

[@DeucesWildRC]

I have the Pietta Remington new army revolver stainless and want to order the conversion cylinder for .45colt, what’s the best grain and or rounds to use for optimum performance/accuracy?

[@exexpat11]

It is complicated. First you have to know the limitations of the conversion recommended. I think they say to keep your rounds either below 850 or 1000 feet per second if using smokeless. Check what your conversion tells you to keep the speed limit under. It is more complicated with Black Powder as you have to fill the void between the primer/black powder and the lead bullet. Some use a cut wad or some use Saracen grains aka buckwheat seeds to compress the load and not leave an air void. (No copper jacketed bullets in the conversion as it increases back pressure! You have to apply your own lube to many lead cast bullets.) Smokeless Reloads in the Cowboy range pick up a Lyman's Reloading Manual. It will cover what types of powder goes with what type of bullet and primer (yes, some primers work better with some powders - sometimes they even steer you toward a brand of brass to use). After that... you find out what works for you and your gun. Trial and error. Good luck.

[@robsuyat]

Is the cylinder still removable with this version

[@weitzfc1]

you must live on one of the left coasts. i've bought them with cash, and was never asked for an ID . what good is the record, if they don't know your identity ?

[@duelist1954]

Basically I usually don't respond to stuff like this, but I don't want to see the other subscribers get into a pissing contest defending me. So, hopefully this puts "Done" to this thread.

[@daddylizard8080]

Don’t care about the gun who made the gorgeous holster?

[@duelist1954]

@SaVAg3xMInD308 Taylor's & Co imports them.

[@zombiekillerwithblood1233]

Duelist1954 im looking at getting one of these in the 8 inch barrel in 45 long colt off buds (taylors and company model item #1,000) but heres my question can i carry all six rounds even if it's got just that little very very small exposed firing pin in the middle? I know it's not safe to carry all six most do the cowboy load but id like to carry all six most modern single action revolvers with transfer bars are to small for me since i have big hands but the 1858 ive taken a liking to because its beautiful reproduction and ive always wanted a 1858

[@exexpat11]

If it holds 6 only load 5 - if it holds 5 only load 4. Most of these conversions have no safety notch or any other safety. Hammer down on an empty chamber is your only safety.

[@omarmilio7392]

Its good for smokeless powder, so in case you shoot it at night you dont get blind, I was considering to biy a conversion cylinder but there are few advantages, I want to because I can use it in ranges where only smokeless powder is allowed in ranges I want to go with my friend, at the same time I think I can buy 3 extra cylinders for day time use, but if I have to use it at night I may get blind XD so soon I will buy this cylinder

[@weitzfc1]

i don't know where in the hell you buy your black powder pistols , but i've never had a back ground check on one. you can go into a cabelas or bass pro shops, buy one , with no paperwork at all and walk out that day with it. besides the two dollars , the back ground check , is just that ,a background check. no where on paperwork is the serial number , for guns that i have purchased.

[@nicholasskific4795]

If the remington is a cartridge revolver, then what does the loading lever do?

[@duelist1954]

It keeps the base pin in place

[@masonprice6976]

Can you shoot jacketed bullets in these? Just bought one in 45 colt and wanted to make sure. Thank you all.

[@weitzfc1]

no .

[@Th3Sabator45]

so can the colt replica conversions shoot smokeless powder also?

[@grizzlyblackpowder1960]

Well it depends on if it says "black powder only" on the side of the gun or not.

[@exexpat11]

Yes but you have to use special loads. Cowboy Rounds bought off the shelf or Cowboy Spec Reloads.

[@BigRig003]

could you guys make something like that but with a cylinder that goes out the side like a 44. magnum but still have the sharp look of the gun you have in this video?

[@DarthVader-yh2in]

They don't make the firearm dingus.

[@mrflydon5]

Hey mike. I was wondering if u could help me out on deciding on what c&b to buy Remington 1858 or colt 1860 both pietta.

[@duelist1954]

That's kind of like asking if you should date Ginger or Mary Ann. They are both good guns, it comes down to personal preference. I prefer the Colt design, but that's me. Get the one that speaks to you.

[@INTERNATIONAL_RDF-D]

Simple. Get both

[@cannoneer155mm]

If they made it in .44 Special, we could use .44 Russian and .44 Colt in it.

[@dangerousdon7750]

can you get over a 1,000 fps with a 200gr bullet with out blowing it up?????

[@j5689]

It can fire modern factory smokeless loads if that's what you're asking

[@exexpat11]

The conversion will tell you there is a speed limit to how fast your bullet should go. Thus... to keep it super safe I'd reload your own rather than even rely on "cowboy" loads that cost $35 for a box of 50.

[@baruceHadley]

so I have a question about the Remington conversions. I know on black powder remingtons the cylinders can be changed quickly by pulling out the cylinder pin, but i'm wondering if that trick works with cartridge conversion models of this gun. Anybody know the answer?

[@duelist1954]

baruceHadley It does

[@baruceHadley]

duelist1954 thank you sir, I now know what conversion pistol I want

[@capnhands]

get the 44 special cylinder the 45 colt holds only 5 and is waay pricey