Shooting the M14: Full Auto Really Uncontrollable?

[@Internetspaceships]

Heh, that's barely any muzzle rise at all *Switches M14 to full auto* Round 1 hits enemy soldier Round 2 hits enemy helicopter Round 3 hits enemy high altitude bomber Round 4 hits enemy satellite

[@Hybris51129]

A weapon fit to defeat the entirety of the Soviet weapons inventory with one trigger pull.

[@yangcheng-jyun8542]

What a wonder weapon!!With a M14 instead of StG44 at hand, Germans can easily shoot down the B-29s over Berlin!

[@filipeamaral216]

* Eagle screams at maximum volume *

[@john-paulsilke893]

By around round 10 he’s on his back and shooting back at his squadron.

[@filipeamaral216]

Does that make him a communist?

[@DoyleHargraves]

This guy has one of those jobs that my high school guidance counselor failed to mention

[@bamboozlednoodle6513]

You and me both

[@thooke222]

Yes we were gypped

[@partyrobbins4690]

2:58 I can watch this all day.

[@jkalash762]

They don't tell you about any of the good jobs. They want you to be as depressed and defeated as they are at their job 😂

[@RNKel1]

Tsuiso Sim Drifting lol

[@kevincrosby1760]

The old joke is that the "A" on the selector stands for "Anti-aircraft", as most folks will be shooting at airplanes very shortly after squeezing the trigger. Love the weapon. Earned ribbons with an M14.

[@HAVOXXXX]

That is so funny I actually laughed that is such a good gun joke man👍

[@kevincrosby1760]

@@HAVOXXXX Folks are so used to thinking in terms of 5.56 NATO that they forget that the M14 is chambered for 7.62 NATO, found on the shelf at the gun store as .308 Winchester, one of the most popular rounds for deer and elk. This is probably not the best choice of weapon to play Rambo and attempt to fire from the hip on FA. The muzzle WILL climb. Rapidly.

[@AbigailWhite-wn2ie]

Can you answer in more detail?

[@kevincrosby1760]

@@AbigailWhite-wn2ie the M14 uses a 7.62 NATO round. The bullet is .30 inches in diameter. The civilian equivalent is the .308 Winchester, a very popular big-game cartridge used for hunting deer, elk, etc. The M16/M4 fires the 5.56 NATO round. The bullet diameter is about .223 inches. The civilian equivalent is .223 Remington. The 7.62 NATO round is larger and more powerful than the 5.56 NATO round, so much so that the .223 Remington is illegal for hunting deer in the State of WA. As for the joke, the more powerful the round, the more recoil (kick) the weapon will have, and the more the muzzle (end of barrel) will lift when it is fired. The 7.62 NATO round is powerful enough that most men of average size will have no chance to control the muzzle rise/lift when firing the weapon in the fully-automatic mode. The "A" on the M14 selector switch stands for "AUTO". It is jokingly referred to as "Anti-Aircraft" because if you hold the trigger back, the muzzle will continue to rise until you are firing up in the air where only birds and aircraft normally reside. The solution is to NOT hold the trigger back. An experienced operator of an M14 will have enough control over the trigger that they can place the weapon on "AUTO" and easily fire 2-3 round bursts. A person without experience will not have this level of control, and muzzle rise will have them firing up in the air (anti-aircraft) due to muzzle rise before they can let off the trigger. The much lower power of the 5.56 NATO allows it to be fired full-auto without encountering this problem. There are videos out there which show 10-yo little girls at the range happily firing rifles such as the AR-15 chambered for this round.

[@954RR_]

@@kevincrosby1760 I should know this. But was the M14 ever produced with 3 Round Burst capability? It certainly seems like it would be more appropriate, though if it was a “common” skill to pull 3-4 shot bursts on auto it might be simpler to just have semi/auto. I have a transferable Ruger AC556 (Select Fire Mini-14 with Semi/3RdBurst/Auto) and it’s enough for me to handle in full auto as a 6’5”/230lb guy. 7.62 NATO is certainly most enjoyable from a M60/M240.

[@wesleymiles8756]

I like how Ian is usually very analytical and objective but sometimes he’s just really goofy and having way too much fun.

[@gamerroyal659]

my grandfather was a marine in Vietnam and in his words shooting the m14 full auto was like riding a pissed off bull that missed lunch

[@boondocker7964]

That probably is accurate, but, I never rode a bull.

[@lycossurfer8851]

😂😂

[@judaspreest0]

Pretty straight forward. A hangry animal weighing nearly 800lbs has this small meat bag on its back and is pretty sure it's the reason it missed lunch.

[@machintelligence]

Just think of what it must be like to shoot with the lightened short barrel and folding stock.

[@tomcat2395]

Himmul Khan they gave some of these guns to the ARVN so you can imagine how fun it was for them

[@beast0339]

this is what I like to think M14 (Semi): Sensible, light recoil, Accurate and modern M14 (Full-Auto): *confused screaming*

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

"Light recoil" is a relative term...

[@GewelReal]

*confused recoil control*

[@beast0339]

@@sergarlantyrell7847 compared to other rifles that came before it, and also compared to the full auto

[@Rickmon01]

If beavis and butthead were to ever have full autos this would be it.

[@mikec8086]

@@beast0339 personally feel that the m14 has more felt recoil than the m1 garand.

[@Antigonus.]

How many minute-of-berm does this shoot in full-auto?

[@robertfox1401]

I feel like you comment should have more likes then it does.

[@amorphoussolid8512]

@ lol

[@TRabbit1970]

ROTFLMAO. 🤣

[@ardenelenduil2334]

More like minute-of-hillside tbh

[@rifles_up2263]

Hahhahahah

[@tkraft63]

As a range officer in Vietnam, I watched a Colonel make a fool of himself firing an M-14 on full auto. The rifle rose in a quarter circle arc till it was pointing straight in the air. It was uncontrollable, at least by him.

[@fourseasons2349]

WTF is a range officer in Vietnam....how far in the rear were you????

[@doughesson]

@@fourseasons2349 What was a rear area in Vietnam?

[@boondocker7964]

It was uncontrollable by me, semiauto is the way I carried the damn thing.

[@kevincrosby1760]

@@boondocker7964 it's a function of training or lack of. Navy expected SA. FA was something that I learned by dint of having access to a base armory and range where it was allowed, and nothing else to do with a large number of Saturdays. I simply felt that the designer of the weapon did NOT intend for the weapon to be an anti-aircraft platform, and that the problem was ME. Think of it as the difference between grabbing a revolver and firing it single-action Vs. Double-action. You don't squeeze off a shot with an M14 in FA, you gently caress the trigger until it barks, then let off. If you pull that trigger much past the break point, you'll have half a mag downrange before you can release it past the disconnect point. Hard to explain. Pretty much loose and sensitive enough that the weapon discharging pulls the trigger off of your finger as you are tickling the trigger. You WILL go through a lot of half-empty magazines before you learn it.

[@tedpfenninger4972]

I've had some experience with the National Match M14, it had enough recoil that l was skeptical about its practicality in full auto. Thanks for the video! Nice to have my suspicions confirmed. You always have good content! ❤

[@johnt4060]

M14 in semi auto: "it's to big and heavy" M14 in full auto: "Hot dang that thing is way to light!!"

[@MachineMan-mj4gj]

Dang, worst of both worlds. No wonder we switched to the M16. Course, that had it's own bundle of issues...

[@johnt4060]

MachineMan1992 Seriously tho. The M16 is great but like you said it's not without issue One being it's chambered in a mouse caliber... ;)

[@MachineMan-mj4gj]

@@johnt4060 I've heard stories of guys turning around and looking at the guy who shot them, because the 5.56 NATO had zero stopping power. Why did we even use the 5.56, it's an up-gunned .22. Why not something a little more substantial like the 7.62X39-- oh.

[@johnt4060]

MachineMan1992 Two reasons the US adopted the 5.56 1. It's cheap. Dirt cheap... The government will do anything and everything to save a buck, Need i say more? 2. It's said the 5.56 was adopted with the intention of maiming the enemy and not directly killing them. Because when you kill a soldier obviously they just put them in the ground, say "RIP" and that's it, whereas if you injured or maimed the enemy not only do you take them out of the fight but it's costing their government a $&@# ton of money in medical expenses. Kind of killing two birds with one stone.

[@johnt4060]

MachineMan1992 Personally, if i was a little kid heading for war I'd want at least a 308 or something that can actually stop an enemy

[@DiligentX]

2:54 “Here we go” *Enables inner warrior” “WAAAAHH”

[@chenchen6150]

*Crash bandicot theme appears outa nowhere*

[@chrischappell2072]

It sounded like mario to me

[@100GTAGUY]

"Lemme see your war face" *clicks timestamp*

[@Dapplication]

"Dang. Wow"

[@lazyboy395]

Waluigi has joined the call

[@tmtm3810]

I really like the aesthetic of Ian's ninja 'WAAAHHH'

[@morelenmir]

I detected a little of the Bruce Lee in that moment too!

[@Girandhistacos]

I kinda got more of a Cornholio vibe from it.

[@jugernoty9]

Lmao just thinking that

[@NateTheBrewer]

I thought he learned to shoot an M14 from John McCain.

[@matthewb391]

He definitely needs more full auto weapons!.

[@james-m-8285]

It’s so insane that someone said “yeah, this dual-fills the SMG role”

[@astartesrex]

The Ordinance Corps: Being R-Slurred since WW1

[@zello8722]

Well when you're within 50 yards like you would with an smg I think it's definitely suitable

[@zello8722]

Especially with the shooting stance people were trained in for smgs back in the day, firing literally from the hip makes it a lot easier to control

[@stoneylonesome4062]

@@astartesrex Yes, fully automatic fire in a full-power rifle cartridge is pretty retarded if you’re not even gonna have a pistol grip, let alone a vertical fore-grip. We could’ve had the G3 or the FAL which been way better in that sort of role.

[@igotbanned3timesfromyoutub883]

​@@zello8722with that rate of fire and a 20 round mag it still wouldnt fill the SMG role even while shooting from the hip

[@nolan1481]

R. Lee Ermy "I wanna see your war face!" Gun Jesus "WHHAAAA"

[@RTJsims]

rawhide 37 BULLSHIT I CANT HEAR YOU!!

[@warmonger1362]

I'm not scared, work on it.

[@shawndarling5855]

A jelly doughnut

[@jayzenitram9621]

Why is everybody storing their soap in socks?

[@GurgleOneSixSix]

For the party! :)

[@factstraight]

2:59 "Wooaaaahhhhgggh!" - Forgotten Weapons

[@mattharrisnj]

I paused the vid, smiled, scrolled down looking for a 2:59 callout, smiled again when I found it., resumed vid.

[@MysteryScienceTheater-uq9ht]

Watch the video with the closed captioning on. I think you'll enjoy it.

[@bigchungusamongus]

Its how Bruce Lee shot a rifle...

[@tbsxninjazxnl6836]

@@mattharrisnj this is exactly what i did 😂😂😂

[@EcoBoostd]

Mickey Dickkener beat me to it lol

[@limpetarch98k]

USA: We will not accept less than .30 caliber. *USA shoots the M14* USA: Ok nevermind let's get the M16

[@asdasd-ty9se]

Limpet Arch only took about 20 years

[@Todkaninchen]

Actually: USA: We will not accept less than .30 caliber! USA: Shoots M14. Fuck yes! I mean we have to tinker with the auto-- McNamara: What? I can't sell these to 5'2" South Vietnamese! McNamara: Buys M16. USA: (Sulks) Packs M14's carefully into boxes for 40-50 years. USA-in-Afghanistan: Hey, guys... we can't hit those guys from here. Too far away. USA: Unpacks M14's...

[@otetechie]

Todkaninchen unfortunately. While the cartridge was desirable, the only tool we had access to that could deliver it was garbage that we hadn’t been able to get rid of for 50 years.

[@Todkaninchen]

@@otetechie There were other options but yeah. The M14 is a bit quirky at this point. First, unlike almost all of its competitors, it was not designed for a commercial market. So any modularity is just happenstance and stock tuning becomes a thing.

[@otetechie]

Todkaninchen those other options weren’t options at the time. The M14 was used until it could be replaced. The SCAR 17 and 20, SR25 and M110, H&K 417 and M110A1 have been replacing M14’s as quickly as possible for decades now. The M14 may have been a terrible tool, but any hammer is better than no hammer until they can be procured. We would have been much better off with an FAL or G3. We just didn’t have piles of them we couldn’t get rid of.

[@xcaliber7779]

Imagine shouting "cover me" and a barrage of M14s in full auto comes up.

[@coreygolder6503]

Only take cover for the first 2 seconds 😂

[@ronaldthompson4989]

Fuck everything in front of the firing line and over it and behind it XD

[@sirnotappearinginthisfilm2037]

they guy who said cover me probably got like 50 rounds to the back

[@gae_wead_dad_6914]

@@ronaldthompson4989 Above it*, and 3 miles behind it*

[@Alpostpone]

@@sirnotappearinginthisfilm2037 He was covered by bullets

[@BMF6889]

When I joined the Marine Corps in 1967, I trained with the M-14. When I went to The Basic School in 1968 (Marine basic officer's school) I trained with the M-14. When I arrived in Vietnam at the end of December 1968, I was issued an M-16. I had only seen the M-16 in pictures but had never received training with it or fired it. The battalion armorer showed my how to disassemble it, and I fired a few rounds for familiarization. I was then assigned as an infantry platoon commander for 10 months. I found it odd that the Marine Corps didn't train me with the rifle I was to use in combat. Other odd aspects of my Marine training in 1967-68: We used the 3.5 rocket launcher in training, but in Vietnam we used the M-72 LAAW. We used the flamethrower in training, but in Vietnam we used the M-202 flame rocket launcher In training, we didn't use the Flak Jacket, but in Vietnam we wore Flak Jackets In training we didn't wear camouflage uniforms, but in Vietnam we had camouflage uniforms In training we wore black leather boots, but in Vietnam we work the Jungle boot. In training we carried a gas mask, but in Vietnam we didn't In training we were taught conventional tactics with only a couple of days of how to secure a Vietnam village, but in Vietnam we rarely operated in company and battalion formations. 90% of the time we were operating in squad and platoon formations out by ourselves. In training, we didn't carry heavy loads except on the forced marches, but in Vietnam we typically carried anywhere between 60-100 pounds depending on the operation and the environment. Back to the M-14. It was heavy and bulky to carry, but the .30 cal round had real stopping power. It would blast through cinder blocks and other thick materials with ease where as the M-16 didn't have that kind of stopping power. I prefer the semiautomatic fire of the M-14 for fire discipline and aimed fire as opposed to the fully automatic tendency in Vietnam to "spray and pray" when recon'ing by fire or in a firefight. And the M-14 could use a rifle grenade. If the M-16 had one, I never saw it. We did have an M-79 grenade launcher which was on of the best weapons we had in Vietnam. But the M-14 could launch a larger grenade further. So at least one Marine in my platoon carried an M-14 in case we needed the substantially greater impact to go through walls and fortifications that the M-16 couldn't penetrate. I also used it to launch rifle grenades as a quick indirect fire weapon until my 60 mm mortar could get into action. Bottom line, I preferred the power of the M-14 but I did like the fact that the M-16 was easier to carry and we could carry more rounds. It's why I used both in my platoon in Vietnam 50 years ago.

[@harshbansal7982]

What launcher did you use in basic

[@kentallard8852]

That happens all the time, I read once about a Marine unit getting back from Arctic warfare training then being shipped out to Vietnam! What you said about the one guy with the M14 has sorta come back with the Platoon Designated Marksman.

[@jasonwolf6899]

Thank you much for the experienced insight! So much of what I hear is through the rumor mill of people who weren't even born during that time and this comment was fascinating to read!

[@mauricepowers8079]

I went to Boot at PI in 69' ... We were issued the M-14...got to ITR and we fired the M-16 to familiarize and also the BAR. When we requalified at the range we always used the M-14. I loved the 14 for its accuracy and stopping power...I would love to have the civilian version. 7.62 NATO round is a good choice IMO...Sempre Fi

[@AshuraShadow08]

Thank you so much for all the incredible details of your service and basic training in Vietnam. It's amazing that when it came to training new recruits they did not train them in how to use or handle any of the items that you guys later used in Vietnam. It also amazes me that they just didn't use any of the tactics that you guys did in training and then they dropped those tactics as soon as you guys got to Vietnam. I can see the frustration of having to go thru all that training and then you are suddenly introduced to new equipment that you've never used before, & performing tactics that you've never trained for. It seems like your platoon and you had to adopt, adapt and improve on the fly as soon as you got to Vietnam, rather than having basic training teaching you guys how to handle the situation you guys were to about to jump into. It just goes to show that the people in charge of the war had no plan of how to fight it or even win the war. It was also strange that as soon as they wanted to replace the M14 Rifle with the M16 Rifle, that they did not train new recruits how to use this rifle in combat. I also wondered why in the movie Full Metal Jacket why they were training with M14 Rifles when the M16 Rifle was no in service and then they just used the M16 rather than what they trained with in basic. Now, I understand. May I ask, were your platoon issued cleaning kits for the M16 Rifle? And did you have any problems with the rifle when you first used it? Thank you so much for service in Vietnam and welcome home!

[@jameshorton7496]

I was trained on the M-14 and it was our weapon when I was stationed in South Korea in 1967-68. They took us to the range so we could sight in our individual weapons and afterwards, we had a ton of ammo left. The ones in charge said load up and fire at will. Of course, none were on full auto, so we loaded up and just pulled the trigger as fast as we could. Talk about a lot of fun. I fired 20 rounds and never noticed that much of a kick or loss of control. But I was 20 yrs old, what did I know then. It was just plain fun. Would love to get my hands on one now. Bet I could still take it apart and put it back together.

[@skullmighty372]

Any m14 is full auto as long as you have a toothpick

[@roberttaylor914]

Yep. The armour didnt want to have to count the rounds that werent fired

[@rcnelson]

Truth to tell, the auto recoil didn't look all that bad. Not good for precise target shooting at 300 yards, I suppose.

[@TexasToast712]

@@skullmighty372 🤔 elaborate

[@skullmighty372]

@@TexasToast712 you can use a toothpick to make any m14 full auto

[@connorwilliams3451]

"This is really a lot of hand-full of gun... This thing greys out your world when you pull the trigger." Ian McCollum, 2018

[@nigelft]

He forgot to add it blacks out the other guy's ... but only if your PoA is his right boot ...

[@whatever11ization]

I prefer, " PFFFFHWUUUUAAAAAHHH!!!!" @ 2:57

[@Tony-rd9rc]

Lewis Glen same man

[@Govanmauler]

A phrase I will be looking for any excuse to use

[@pco5267]

Aim for right boot - 1st round barely misses, 2nd round hits him in the face, 3rd Round hits a tree 3700m away

[@charlesentrekin6607]

When I was in the Corps back in the late sixties. I was told in full auto the most important part of the weapon as the sling. Wrapping it around your arm helped with the control issues.

[@warrendemartini6533]

SEMPER FI BROTHER 0331

[@ramblinwithwreck]

Exactly! I about cried the day they took my M14 and gave me that poodle shooter.

[@termitreter6545]

@@ramblinwithwreck Sounds like sometimes you gotta force the marines to take the better stuff xD

[@kodiakkeith]

The same thought occurred to me. Why doesn't that rifle have a sling, and particularly when used in full auto? Surely, he could have borrowed a sling someplace?

[@adabsurdum5905]

@@kodiakkeith Nyet. Rifle is fine

[@kevincharles4505]

I carried one in Vietnam. 2 round groups were OK. Three were WORTHLESS.

[@masonstone4062]

At 25 meters you could shoot ballantine's with the M14 we did it in 1964.

[@ytpmichaelrosen9190]

I honour your service!

[@larrysr1160]

I found that if I had my 14 braced it did okay on full auto although it's wasting ammo.We always used the one shot one kill rule

[@twistedyogert]

Why was this replaced with the M16?

[@ytpmichaelrosen9190]

@@twistedyogert Because the recoil was uncontrollable in full auto.

[@silentndoodly7083]

"Long Haired Hippie Type " really cracked me up

[@therideneverends1697]

And so let forth his mighty battle cry "HOOWAAAAAAAAA"

[@StAlchemyst]

2:57 to 3:01 NEEDS to be GIF'ed.

[@pqdbr]

The mighty Stoner Style Gun-Fu warcry

[@therideneverends1697]

well this comment got popular overnight

[@ThebearCornal]

giphy.com/gifs/m14-forgotten-weapons-ian-mccollum-i3QVbX2bv9Nox0u0hv

[@Urbicide]

The Army's hand held anti-aircraft weapon.

[@benjaminvoncannonn6378]

LoL

[@Urbicide]

@@heroinmom153 My neighbor started his army career as a 2nd Lt. He did his first tour of Vietnam in 1966, wading through rice paddys. I had asked him which rifle they had used. He told me that they had originally trained with the M-14 in basic, but were issued the M-16 once they had arrived in country. I have a suspicion that your dad probably used an M-16, but then you never know for sure. You might watch some of the video shot during the battle for Khe Sanh to get a better idea. My neighbor retired after 29 years of active duty as a full bird colonel, then became a teacher & guidance councilor for another 29 years before officially retiring. He is going to be 82 next month.

[@LuvBorderCollies]

@@heroinmom153 B-52's were more effective a Khe Sanh than M14's. M14 doesn't do any good if you can't see your target or even know which hill the target is hiding on.

[@himynamelscolin]

2:59 leaving this here-for myself

[@TerribleTrioHerb]

Thank you for your service :D

[@murderc27]

@@TerribleTrioHerb are you kidding me? I came here to say exactly that... I'm so unoriginal...

[@TerribleTrioHerb]

@@murderc27 Well that makes me unoriginal too, now doesn't it? Or maybe we are both awesome, yeah. Let's go with that.

[@heavierthanairfilms]

Is it uncontrollable? Short answer: Yes Long answer: LMAO YES

[@markthebikethief1248]

@Libertate Veritas longest answer: bruh how tf do i keep this shit from dislocating my shoulder and bursting my eardrums

[@chadspawr3041]

Yes...good on semi and short burst only. Auto required more mags, which are very heavy. Better for longer range and fighting in bush.

[@elitedima9672]

It's only controllable when you're tall muscular dude like Arnold and Sylvester

[@wddlaw]

Just change the muzzle break and it solves that problem...see other YT videous

[@Tom-ut6ky]

Depends. It's great if you like putting holes in clouds. Can't be beat for that.

[@jonathanschubert9052]

I think I once heard it described as first shot in the chest, second in the head, everything after that is antiaircraft fire.

[@wingracer1614]

Or indirect fire light artillery.

[@nigelft]

What I heard is if your point of aim is his right boot, then first shot is in the thigh, second in the abdomen, third in the chest, forth in the left shoulder, and the rest, God only knows; perhaps if the VC had used helicopters (thank God they didn't), it might have been good for taking out a few of those as well ...

[@xmm-cf5eg]

to quote my favorite recoil joke: "poooint it at the floor, close your eyes, and think happy thoughts!"

[@RoscoesRiffs]

I'd like to see you try the M-15, the squad automatic weapon version of the M14. The one they issued me had a heavier stock, a thick barrel, a bipod, a hinged buttplate for prone firing, a pistol grip stock, and a forward pistol grip. They gave it to me because I'd figured out how to score full-auto hits with the M14. It also helped that I was a big guy who could carry lots of extra magazines. If you ever get a chance to try one out, I think you'll enjoy the experience.

[@doughesson]

Fred's M14 Stocks used to have a few E2 stocks for sale. I don't know how many they sold though

[@squidwardo7074]

You can get an M1A with a heavy barrel. I shot one when I was 14 and weighed 130 lbs and it had hardly any kick. It was a heavy bastard though

[@Physik-o9i]

@@jackargie1092 The M15 Squad Automatic Weapon was a modified M14 developed as a replacement for the .30-06 M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle for use as a squad automatic weapon. As with the M14, it was chambered for 7.62×51mm NATO. It featured a heavier barrel and stock, two pistol grips (one fixed, one folding) a hinged butt plate, a selector switch for fully automatic fire, a bipod, and used the standard BAR sling. Firing tests showed that the M14, when equipped with the selector switch, hinged butt plate and bipod, performed as well as the M15. As a result, the M15 was dropped and the modified M14 became the squad automatic weapon. Accuracy and control problems with this variant led to the addition of a pistol grip, a folding rubber-covered metal foregrip and a muzzle stabilizer. However, it remained a poor suppressive fire weapon owing to its 20-round magazines and a tendency to rapidly overheat. That report i found seems to suggest that there were rifles built and test against the variant you listed "M14E1/2". Perhaps the few that were made were just listed as m14E model after testing had ended.

[@jackargie1092]

@@Physik-o9i I’m guessing I meant “issued” in my original comment and not built. They were built, but only prototypes for testing. It is pretty much the same thing as the M14E2 though, which was actually issued to troops and that’s probably what the guy in the parent comment used.

[@Physik-o9i]

@@jackargie1092 nah i've read up on them since, the prototypes that originally were called the m15 were later issued as the m14E variants with the only difference being the barrel was thicker and they were full auto, This is speculation but the normal m14 auto variant, just an m14 with a auto seer, was fielded with very minimal success due to the gun having so much recoil it was uncontrollable, i'm wondering did they field the m15 as test like the original and found its no different or maybe impractical due to the army already having the m60 and the xm4 which later became the m16A1 was in development and already in use with minor use in SF units in vietnam at the time.

[@GitSumGaming]

The full auto feature was implemented for when the bushes started talking Vietnamese

Vietnamese speaking bushes? I've only ever had that happen when I was on acid.

[@colt45peacemaker]

Lt. Dan, is that you?

[@GitSumGaming]

@@colt45peacemaker Depends...do you have some ice cream to give me?

[@GitSumGaming]

Europa Uber Alles well yes...that is why the government tries so hard to disarm the public. You ever see how the libtards foam at the mouth saying we wouldn’t last against the US military with just AR15s? Lol, well first most of the military would be with us and second...imagine pissed off highly patriotic citizens with guns...you can’t fight unconventional warfare...it’s a waste of time and you will never win...been proven time and time again. That is why they want to do like Hitler did...promise peace and disarm the country...that is the only way to get total control and soon enough there will be plenty of imbeciles that will fall in line...the difference, unlike in Germany in the 30s, is there are millions willing to die before that happens. So the democrats are trying to play it safe but they are getting impatient and it will lead to an armed conflict that will see them dead and then this country will be a better place again.

[@GitSumGaming]

Europa Uber Alles honestly if things stayed in the current state or got worse there isn’t much worth. It’s very depressing, honestly. I would like to see someone with morals take total control and re-establish values and wipe out immorality. The way current things are it’s the only way to do it quickly...if at all.

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

3:10 - Ian shooting at some low-flying aircraft there.

[@centurian318]

Wow... didn’t know the m-14’s cyclic rate was so high.

[@therideneverends1697]

yeah that sounds like what? 850? 900?

[@browncoat697]

@@quentintin1 That's still pretty fucking brutal for a full power rifle. Maybe should have designed a slower action if they wanted full auto?

[@CommodoreFan64]

Rip Steakface I'm thinking if they could have slowed it down to maybe 500 - 550rpm it would have done better?

[@CommodoreFan64]

@@bdkj3e True, but a lower cycle rate would not hurt, and what about some buffer pads to help with recoil?

[@CGoody564]

@@bdkj3e slower cyclic rate = bolt traveling at less velocity = less energy to transfer. But that isn't ideal either.

[@thfi5294]

Yeah, carried one in Nam. But on semi-auto I found it to be very accurate.

[@warrendemartini6533]

Welcome home brother 0331 M60

[@ColonelSandersLite]

How did it do on auto from prone position?

[@jeffreygao3956]

So why not just use a M1?

[@boringdude1626]

@@jeffreygao3956Who in God's name is carrying an M1 carbine (or garand) in Vietnam? I'd rather have a weapon which the whole platoon is carrying.

[@jeffreygao3956]

@@boringdude1626 Because it’s actually better than the M14?

[@4e616d65]

I don't know what the problem is. It's the best all purpose rifle there is. In one burst you can go from engaging enemy infantry to enemy aircraft.

[@DontHatemusiK]

*full sarcasm mode engaged*

[@Bowfella]

**Aims at person** Achievement: Took down spy-plane

[@spellcastingprofessional]

i hate to be a redditor, but im your 420th like

[@normalcitizen_1]

Im your 477th like

[@fascistitalyinanursinghome2890]

I'm your 580 like

[@smokeyplane3285]

i am like

[@jamessveinsson6006]

I’m the 723rd

[@khorijwilson]

2:57 When your Sensei ask for full auto during your black belt exam.

[@joshuagraham3]

This comment is underrated af

[@mg_claymore8611]

Mwaaaaa

[@Th3Mavr1ck]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

[@tedjohnson9329]

I was issued an M-14 for training purposes back in 1960-61. I had to give up my M1-Garand. The M-14 I got had no automatic feature. It had been removed as a lot of them had been removed. The thing shot well, but after a few magazines, it tended to jam after the 5th-6th round. The M1 did that too, when it got real hot. Then the Army needed combat medics and I was plucked from the infantry. Fired an M-16 in a desperate situation once, and that was it. The M1 is still my go to rifle, but I also like my AR-15.

[@Fishfingers232]

That's a sweet microphone, really captured how savage a full-power rifle sounds.

[@ChickentNug]

Fishfingers232 exactly. Doesnt work super duper great for speech, but awesome for gunshots

[@Calthecool]

Looks sorta like a good old hunting rifle. Shoots like an m-60.

[@V-V1875-h]

That thing shoots like a SAW without a tripod from the hip

[@arielgarcia5065]

Even faster

[@jimme.1707]

Anti-gun people would be confused

[@spikespa5208]

Holy ____! An M60 would have to be more controllable than this, if for no other reason than it weighs twice as much.

[@chadspawr3041]

@@spikespa5208 It is because it is heavier beyond the receiver, this better controlling muzzle rise. Same ammo though.

[@MarvelousSeven]

The M14 was designed "in the days of wooden rifles and iron men", as my great grandfather would say.

[@macgyverbryan1377]

The days of no "tacticool" just got it done.

[@rdablock]

the M14 is a lousy service rifle

[@MarvelousSeven]

@@rdablock it was a good service rifle, it was just 10 years too late.

[@JonatasAdoM]

@@MarvelousSeven The middle child. Between the elder Garand and younger M16.

[@LukoHevia]

@@MarvelousSeven Not entirely sure of that. By the time the americans adopted the M14, the armies of Europe had already adopted battle rifles like the FAL or the G3, and those lasted until the 80s and beyond in active service. The M14 got replaced so very quickly, you can't help but feeling it was a mistake adopting it in the first place... Of course, you could counter-argue that the M14's replacement was not a testament of it's own faults, but of the M16's virtues

[@myfavoritemartian1]

Back around 1968, I had a chance to fire an M14. We had the E2 version with the stock and bipod. We were only allowed to fire full auto prone with a bipod. 1-It walked around on the bipod. 2-After the first three rounds it was impossible to see the target through the dust cloud.

[@lynnwood7205]

I was in the last cycle to be trained on the M14. Once sighted to the rifleman it was extremely accurate. Automatic fire mode resulted in the rifle trying to climb up and to the right. Automatic fire in bursts was best from the prone position or with bipod. Persons with a strong grip could control the rifle in automatic fire in bursts. Firing of a full magazine on automatic would generally result in rounds off target and target area. The shooter could also use the sling to brace the rifle.

[@bigbill2444]

And yet, the purpose of automatic fire is most definitely *NOT to punch single holes in the target. It's to produce area fire, designed to keep the enemy suppressed. It was normal for the bigger guys to be designated to use auto with the M-14, and they learned how to control their fire. Yes, hand someone today an M-14, and they will have problems controlling it. That's why training is important, and videos like this are not really being truthful.

[@unverifiedbiotic]

@@bigbill2444 And that's exactly why the doctrine changed and the SAW is going to get replaced by a reconfigured assault rifle - anyone can use it and you actually hit something, making even an experienced enemy keep his head down.

[@gavinperch9413]

@@bigbill2444 I dont think this video is being misleading. It aims to answer whether or not this rifle was controllable in automatic fire and the answer is yes it's kinda difficult to handle. Those who think this video is being misleading are really only misleading themselves by defining "controllable" as "effective". They can be exclusive to each other.

[@LuvBorderCollies]

@@unverifiedbiotic Sounds like you're referring to the Marines M27. Looks no different than a M16A2 or A4 especially from a distance. Marines wanted it in A-stan because the SAW gunner was the target when a patrol was ambushed. They wanted a long barreled full auto M16 to blend into the patrol. They also wanted a longer barrel to fight back at the common & frequent ambushes by the Muji at to 900m to 1000m. The Muji had a nice supply of Russian 7.62 and heavier MG's and endless supply of RPG's thanks to the Soviet Union and Pakistan. Most RPG's reach out to 900/1000 meters.

[@sue08401]

That's what my brother said - use the sling as a brace to make auto more accurate.

[@Trenchgun97]

WOAH....*look of shock*....Ok, so... I'm gonna say the rumors are true. Classic.

[@andrefairbanks]

Trenchgun97 lmao 😂

[@parkerdavidson5868]

@SyrupCartel "more practice".....have you seen this channel before

[@floatationdevice2107]

2:58 veit cong picking up a GIs rifle and using it (1966)(colorized)

[@junkdeal]

Definitely!!! I thought of that before I saw this post, except I was kind'a thinking of Bruce Lee!!!

[@relevantjaguar4935]

😂

[@jeromes6058]

Lol

[@V-V1875-h]

Hahahahhahahahahhaha duuuudee

[@jeromes6058]

@@V-V1875-h that used to be my profile picture

[@j.d.peppmeier9041]

I was issued my first M-14 in Army basic in 1966 and I love it still !! The last battle rifle..a classic beauty. I own it's M1A twin.

[@squidwardo7074]

Love the m1a. Has no kick with the heavy barrel. Its a heavy bastard with it though

[@samuelschick8813]

M1 Garand and M14. Best damn battle rifles invented.

[@samuelschick8813]

@wyomarine6341, Never been a fan of the 5.56mm as a combat round. Not enough take down power.

[@ReflectionEternal2]

1:42 : "I have it on full auto! Let's see how this goes..." 1:57 : "Okay, soo... I'm gonna say the rumors are true..." Thumbs up. Love the vids!

[@Essah15]

subtitle: "(Racks the poor M-14)" whoever wrote those subtitles, I salute you.

[@butterbandit9122]

And the “Dang. Wow.” -Ian McCollum, 2018

[@DominikFerencik]

Also, thanks for putting metric units in there, pal... I got tired of stopping the video and then calculating how much that is (from ft to m)

[@sirusvader6304]

2:58 4:40 "Hwaaaahhhh!" - Gun Jesus, 2018

[@richardrosenthal7241]

The M14 is an awesome weapon in semi auto I trained with it prior to going to Vietnam . A decent shot could hit a target at 400 meters something which is difficult with the M16 which replace it.

[@jacobmccandles1767]

It is no harder to hit a target at 400 Meters with an M-16/AR-15 than the M-14/M1A, except perhaps i na strong crosswind.

[@kevincrosby1760]

@@jacobmccandles1767 IF the operator has been trained to do so. Whether or not the enemy falls over after being hit also comes into play. A lot of M14s got dusted off and shipped to places with names ending in "stan" for exactly this reason. The 5.56 round just wasn't as effective for long-range combat. A large heavy unwieldy weapon in 7.62 when going door-to-door is also less than optimal. Each platform has it's uses. If you are in an environment where you are wondering if your sidearm might not be a better choice than your M16/M4, you probably don't want an M-14. As a civilian, I don't look to my scoped .30-06 for home defense, and I don't take the barely-legal 12-Ga deer hunting. They each have their proper use. (My EDC is chambered for .45ACP, some things are just ALWAYS appropriate to bring to the party)

[@jacobmccandles1767]

@@kevincrosby1760 I agree with you for the most part, but.... The M-14 came out to play in A-stan as a DMR rifle, not an infantry rifle. The M-14s of A-stan were highly accurized, essentially scoped out National Match rifles. The M-14 of Vietnam was a shot out, chrome flaking, rusted, stock-swollen nightmare, with a wandering zero that couldn't be trusted to connect with a man past 200 yards, but fortunately didn't have to. It weighed too much and so did it's ammo. Moreover, there were horrible quality control issues at the manufacturer. At the end of the day, a box magged Garand is no match for the AK, but it DID almost always go *BANG*, something the early M-16s didn't always do. Ballistically, the M4 starts ice picking at aboue 200 Meters, and the M16a2 in use by the USMC early in the conflict doing so past 400 Meters or so. In the mountainous areas, fighting against bolt action battle rifles and SVD knock offs, as well as PKMs, a .30 Cal DMR rifle was desireable... but I would also submit to you the notion that the only reason to choose the M-14 in this role is that they were in inventory. Almost any 2" grouping semi-auto "deer rifle" or AR-10 would have done the trick about as well. the as-issued infantry M-14 was the shortest serving general issue rifle in U.S. service for a number of very good reasons. Some of these reasons just killed the XM5 programme.

[@jacobmccandles1767]

@@kevincrosby1760 about that last part...I don't use my '06 for HD, but I DO take the barely legal 12ga deer hunting (18" cyl bore Ithaca M-37). The .45 is never wrong for CCW, but I don't think any of the various service calibers have much of an edge. 9, 40, 45, 10mm, 357 Sig... whatever you like. I don't feel poorly armed with any of them. I carry 9mm and 10mm the mosy...but it was .22lr, .380, .44mag, and (oddly) .44 Cap-n-ball that were there to save my ass those times when the fecal matter hit the oscillating ventilator.

[@jasontownsend9460]

US Soldiers: we want the FN FAL US Govt: we have FN FAL at home FN FAL at home: [M14]

[@eliaskuhnert5768]

Would you remove that [M14] at the end? People are not dumb and probably get it without it. It also kinda ruins it.

[@TheQuadLaunchers]

Found the Karen. ^

[@edl617]

Jason Townsend in 280 right

[@ticket2space621]

Lol

[@benfennell6842]

@Joe Blow but y tho

[@HandsomeP3t3]

Who ever did the subtitles I can’t stop laughing.

[@CM-bm9xl]

HIYA

[@nurfalkner1670]

"Dang. Wow." - Ian McCollum, 2018

[@user-el5mg4it9t]

(Shoots a single round)

[@potatoslayer69420]

yeah

[@awetheaverage68264]

HERO WE GO (Ferocious battle cries)

[@seandwyer4061]

2:58 full auto m14 brings out Gun Jesus's inner Bruce Lee.

[@theilluminati7287]

Sean Dwyer Jesus is a gun

[@Tomraines]

If you turn on CC, he literally quotes himself right after 😂

[@dhananjaychafale6545]

HUOO

[@dhananjaychafale6545]

@POOR PIRANO Bruce Lee style hu oo

[@edwardmarcot464]

I carried one just like it (H&R w/full auto selector) in Nam. USMC You need to lean into it and just fire 2/3 round bursts. It's not made for mag dumps although I did chop down a tree with mine once. LOVED that weapon! Thanks for the video!

[@Horseshoecrabwarrior]

I always wondered how it would do if you shot it hipfire, but that full-auto is closer to a panic button than a machine gun. "When ambushed, magdump in direction of enemy" or something like that.

[@boondocker7964]

It can be held at hip, left arm with hand reversed and stiffened held to some sort of control, but, I'm just not a fan.

[@thevoid98052]

The purpose was to use it like that and use an outdated post ww2 advance tactic... then America just into vietnam...

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

20 rouns of 7.62 hipfired full auto in close range should stop whatever is coming. But only if there isn't more on the way.

[@Horseshoecrabwarrior]

@@HappyBeezerStudios It'd probably make a decent "checkpoint gun," 5 or 10 rounds into an average car engine would cripple it easily, I'd think. But yeah, definitely not useful for much more when in full-auto.

[@Jeremiah90526]

I would argue that full auto on a combat rifle is a panic switch to begin with. Hell, there are guns that have triggers that the first take up is semi auto and the second stage to take up is full auto, so if you are calm and have a proper trigger pull, it is going to be semi auto, and if you are freaking the hell out and just jerk the hell out of the trigger, it becomes a brrrt.

[@myutubeviewer1]

Basic Training at Fort Leonard Wood 1969 with M-14. I loved it and qualified Expert. "The Nam" 1970, on arrival supply was out of functioning M-16's and issued me an M-14 with selector ("until they received more 16's"). I never checked back. Full auto NO PROBLEM "with 3-4 round burst". In the few (thank you Lord) fire fights I was in, just the sound of that babe joining in (squad leader so troop check first then into the fight) would result in a decided but short "lull" in the incoming. Watch 3:10 to 3:20 slow mo for full auto "harmonic barrel whip".

[@StormLaker]

Thank you for your service.....I can totally see your point. Lighting up a Nato 7.62 would definitely sound a lot bigger than an AK, an SKS, or anything firing back at you in those days. The M-14 was the last true infantryman rifle in our military. Plus it had the reach and punch that the 556 (M-16) kinda lacks.

[@draxxsklounst6595]

M-16's a bb gun!

[@Arphalia]

draxx Sklounst doubt you’d want to be shot by that “BB gun” lol. But in all seriousness, I understand the appeal, but I can appreciate both rifles (the M16 and M14 respectively)

[@Ingsoc75]

My dad also did his Basic Training at Fort Leonard Wood in 1969. A22 BCT Platoon 1.

[@Fergesslich]

Thank you for your warcrimes.

[@tacticalflab9361]

2:54-3:00 is now my phone notification lol

[@worldtraveler930]

Hi there cousin.

[@mrboombastic891]

*phone goes off in school*

[@alexradu1921]

yes and in public stations everyone will think of an terro attack

[@DesolateZombie]

The Waaaa! is the best part

[@patlilburn5251]

I’m no kind of gun guy but I appreciate the knowledge here...and next to the 100 Ton Cannon, I think this was the best. The slow-mo of the barrel rising, rising, being fought down, going side to side, and then the editorial...just excellent.

[@MichaelMacGyver]

2:58 Let me see your war face!

[@painteat]

Michael MacGyver xx

[@rogue-4789]

2:58 the last sound you hear right before being gunned down...

[@Dafmeister1978]

...by a US marine who was actually aiming at your buddy who was 200 yards closer.

[@MrThomass281]

My neighbor is a Vietnam Vet, and he said his Gunny would say semi only on your M14 or else.

[@brooksman10]

Typically there was one soldier per squad who used the M14 in full auto as a suppression/support role, and everyone else used semi auto.

[@rickeyryan303]

@@brooksman10 not in Nam, was all FA..

[@MachineMan-mj4gj]

@@brooksman10 That's how the Germans used the StG 44, it gave the MG teams more time to pack up or set up.

[@Grimmwoldds]

USN still has M14s(mostly for the line throwing kit, but also handy for shark watch). I'm not sure if they even kept any of the selector switches they removed(high likelihood that they just got tossed overboard).

[@triumphmanful]

our range seargent was smart, he never showed us how to fire full auto. He was close to retirement and wanted to live to see it happen

[@JohnSmith-oj6ir]

Good story, but I wish you'd demonstrated with targets to show just HOW difficult it it to hold on target. I went to basic at Fort Polk in fall of '67, and was issued an M-14. Three weeks later they took them away from us and gave us M-16's, which I used in Vietnam. Enjoyed shooting them both.

[@dukecraig2402]

I got to shoot a G3 on full auto when I was stationed in Germany, I wouldn't say it was "uncontrollable", "unpleasant" is more like it, I was awfully glad when that 20 round mag was empty.

[@A-G-F-]

And that thing shoots slower

[@dukecraig2402]

@@A-G-F- The M14 fires faster than the G3 on full auto, 700-750 for the M14 and 500-600 for the G3.

[@A-G-F-]

@@dukecraig2402 Thats what i meant lol, the G3 is slower. Imagine the pain that involves shooting an M14 in full auto

[@dukecraig2402]

@@A-G-F- Oh I see what you're saying, when you said "that thing" I thought you were referring to the M14, I know a fellow who stole an M14 when he discharged from the Marine Corps at Parris Island in 1971, he brought it back to my hometown and had it for years, it didn't have the selector lever though, the lock was in it's place, him and a bunch of his friends used to take it to a pond in the mountains where we live and shoot turtles with it.

[@A-G-F-]

@@dukecraig2402 It probably was an M21 or a repurposed M14 as a DMR, i would like to own one but theyre not legal in my country, nor any rifle

[@ox3100]

The most emotion I have ever seen him show lol “I have to psyche myself up for this.”

[@bigbill2444]

The .308 is a *real* rifle round, as opposed to the 5.56. The kick of that round is normal for rifle rounds.

[@zachrywd]

2:51 My new favorite Ian quote, "Huuu, Have to psyche myself up for this, Here we go Huah! Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt, WHOOOOOHAAAA!!"

[@DallasBarr]

This part had me rolling!

[@PGHBUFORD]

The Army M14 E2 was equipped with a bipod and sling with front grip that the shooter could employ to hold the barrel from riding up. However, my experience firing the E2 told me that you could not hit the broad side of a barn when in full auto. Still I liked the M14. As a Marine friend who carried/chose an M14 in Vietnam told me, the barrel could be full of mud and would still fire.

[@BillTheScribe]

My dad was a door gunner/crew chief on a Huey in Vietnam. He was assigned an M-14 when he got there, as the M-16 was not in widespread use at the time. As he told it, SOP for door gunners using the M-14 was to wrap the a seat belt strap around the barrel "to keep the third round out of the rotors." When they finally started getting the M-60, pilot anxiety levels dropped.

[@Fordy5Colt]

1:55 almost let the F bomb slip

[@grilledcheesinator55]

Sounded more like "oof"

[@KillYour_TV]

@@grilledcheesinator55 or ''uuh f...''

[@-R.E.D.A.C.T.E.D-]

*OOOooF*

[@somebody4877]

Or oooh fff

[@CJM-rg5rt]

@@somebody4877 OOooFF! Ya damn hippy type!

[@droganovic6879]

"...Long hair hippy type..." God I wish you could'a done a video with R Lee Ermey. _"Show me your war face!"_ Whooaaaahhh!

[@user-njyzcip]

I imagined Ian doing a war face and it was funny

[@CJM-rg5rt]

God that's funny

[@zombieslayer7759]

"You don't scare me! Work on it!"

[@odizzido]

2:59 Liu Kang approves. It's interesting to see this. If you want to actually hit anything on full auto it needs to be no further away from you than the length of the gun itself.

[@invictusprima4437]

I have always felt that reports of the m14 being to heavy and uncontrollable in full auto are over exaggerated... I guess I was wrong

[@Nydusurmainus]

The .280 died for this

[@ironraccoon3536]

And I'm glad. .280 would've been nothing but a less powerful 7.62mm, and might've resulted in an even less powerful version of 5.56mm being adopted for infantry rifles.

[@spookbuster4862]

Totally worth it

[@TheAmericanCatholic]

and a enemy who is still fighting after being shot 5 times with the less powerful 556

[@TheLouisianan]

I don't think I would've ever been an FAL guy if it was chambered in .280

[@cameronbrown6394]

@@TheAmericanCatholic Less energy doesn't equate to less lethality. .308 has a REALLY bad ice-picking problem; any decently made 5.56 (e.g. pretty much anything but m855) actually causes just as significant - if not better - wounding.

[@lyntwo]

When tuned to the shooter, the M14 was deadly accurate on semi auto. It was best fired in two to three round bursts in auto. I was in the last cycle trained on the M14. edit: I should have stated, in automatic it was best fired in two to three round bursts.

[@nickdannunzio7683]

Me too...

[@timtheskeptic1147]

I qualed on it in 2009. What can I say? The ship was commissioned in 76 and in the Navy it's harder to transfer small arms than to just stick them in the corner of the armory. I also got to shoot an M79!

[@SSN515]

@@timtheskeptic1147 You couldn't do full auto on Nav M-14's. They took the selectors out in the 1970's.

[@jackmorris2999]

lyntwo Three round bursts full auto from quick kill position - from the hip. We were trained on that for one day in Army basic Jan - Mar 1969 Ft Leonard Wood. Used M-16 in Vietnam 69 - 70.

[@smithnwesson990]

@@jackmorris2999 Hope you got some in the bush. Thank you for your service to this great nation 🇺🇸

[@filipkohout4704]

The subtitles man. Whoever did them, thank you

[@6point5]

My shoulder hurts just watching that.

[@Syrinx222]

The recoil is not bad at all. It's a very soft shooting rifle. Muzzle rise however is a different story.

[@jeremiahfyan]

@SyrupCartel I dont get why people say 12 gauge shotguns get the rep of hurting shoulders. I've never had my shoulder hurt from a 12 gauge no matter what kind of shell

[@reubenpickering7777]

@@jeremiahfyan I've shot 3" shells in a 12 gauge single shot with an 18" barrel. It really was borderline abusive. The bit of extra mass afforded by a longer barrel, the extra barrel of a double, or the magazine and action of a repeater of some sort seem to help keep things much more comfortable for me.

[@doughesson]

I've shot service rifle matches & had to deal with female co workers thinking that it was funny to slug me where I'd had a steel buttplate bumping into my shoulder 200 times over the weekend.

[@randomperson8695]

After the 2nd round it looks like he's laying down indirect fire.

[@fastfurious9489]

had one when in the army years ago, first, the swing up butt plate is for a reason, second we always fired with the military sling using to support and keep the rifle stable..................

[@lpd1snipe]

Yeah we used a sling too. I guess Ian doesn't get that part.

[@skyblazer9137]

I loved it, i made the barrels, the rifling. in 1963 at H&R in Worcester mass on Park Ave. Made $500 a week peace work 50 barrels a rack. 2 million barrels the first Gov. contract. Owned one in 1983. Used it for black bear hunting in Maine and NH... I had 2 friends that used it in Nam loved it once you learned to control it...

[@ELW2940]

I qualified Sharpshooter with the M-14A, the true configuration for auto fire. Same rifle...different stock, different sling. Qualified Expert with the M-14. The M-14A1 was designed to be used as a squad automatic weapon but was not considered to be successful in that capacity so it was dropped. I really enjoyed shooting it. This would have been about 1965.

[@lpd1snipe]

You notice he wasn't running at with a sling? It makes all the difference in the world.

[@grumpygrumpgrump136]

I had a select fire M14 in Nam. It had a wooden stock with a pistol grip, and a wooden vertical fore grip on it. It was not a beautiful weapon, and it did behave rather badly on full auto. I think it was called a A2 E2 ??? I don't remember, however I really loved my XM 21 that I got after about a month into my tour. Sometimes I really miss the Army life, but I always come to my senses in the end.

[@gunsmithgeoff8218]

You probably had the M14E2. It was first issued in 1963, and re-designated the M14A1 in 1966. Thank you for serving the U.S.A!

[@grumpygrumpgrump136]

@@gunsmithgeoff8218 You are welcome sir, and I will do it again if the need arises. Nobody fights like a grumpy old man.

[@docpossum2460]

@@grumpygrumpgrump136 You had a M14A1 and a M21? You must be one of the most familiar people with M14 variants. Somehow find and shoot the M25(M21 but lighter) and the M15(M14 but heavier, rare version, I think less than 100 produce) and you will have properly mastered the M14 platform.

[@grumpygrumpgrump136]

@@docpossum2460 No it was an XM 21. It was still in experimental stage in 1970 as far as I know. That is what we were told at the sniper school . Honking big 2nd Gen. Starlight for night, and a 3 x 9 Redfield for day. A lot has changed in approximately 49 years.

[@docpossum2460]

Ah, I gotcha'. I've heard about those Starlight scopes, they sound like fun the hike around with.

[@ronaldwarren5220]

I qualified on this weapon during Infantry AIT at Ft Ord, California around October of 1967. Our weapons had a pistol grip behind the trigger mechanism. You would put the sling over a shoulder and place your left palm on top of the guard to hold it down while firing. I recall that it would climb up and to the right while firing on full auto. It would have been devastating against enemy troops who were making a full assault. What a beast and what a handful! I never did get to use one in combat but did use my issued semi auto M14 in Vietnam. Thanks for the cool video!

[@ChevelleMike71]

Ronald Warren My old man went through basic at Ord in late ‘68. He said they never got to shoot the M14 on full auto though.

[@martincole1478]

Trained with the M14 in bootcamp USMC. It's a fine rifle, but suited for open country like middle east because it can reach out further with better energy. Not very good in the jungle except the 7.62 didnt deflect off foliage like the 5.56 did. Wood stock was a problem tho. But then we had problems with the 16 when it first arrived due to incorrect ammo causing jams.

[@ExUSSailor]

I know aesthetics don't really matter in a weapon, but, it is still one of the best looking rifles ever made!

[@RyTrapp0]

It's nice looking until you get to the clunky, chunky, angular action. If they'd just broken some of those edges & corners at the very least, maybe removed a little visual mass, the action would be much more in line with the rest of the rifle. That action has always just obnoxiously stuck out to me, like it visually look like the rushed clusterfuck that I would later find out that the program actually was. But, otherwise, the visual epitome of and prototypical '60s-'70s 'battle rifle' - the proportions are just right there, especially with that full power cartridge sized magazine

[@JohnDoe-on6ru]

**Fires M14 full auto** His cheek: Am I a joke to you?

[@samuelparker9882]

Not to mention that EVERY INFANTRYMAN that tried this could be wrong???!!!

[@ticket2space621]

I always enjoy Ian's videos. Great quality, very professional and informative. That being said, this episode is hilarious.

[@snakewinslow2046]

I was at basic training in 1967 and qualified expert with the M14. It was a pleasure to shoot and very accurate. Comparing it to a BAR is silly. Compare it to the Garand and it shines.

[@paintedturtle2052]

Therapist: Kong fu Ian doesn't exist, he can't hurt you. Kong fu Ian 2:59

[@vroomkaboom108]

When Kung Fu Ian comes out with his new Furious Flying Auto style

[@WHOARETHEPATRIOTS475]

Gun-Fu

[@davidlabossiere1905]

4:41 also

[@RomeoWhiskey692]

Huwaaaa !!!! Now THAT is a sound I haven’t heard him make before . Yea ... it’s a bit better off a bipod , in the prone position ...but not much . I always thought of people using the M14 in full auto as irregular organic light anti-aircraft assets , and counter fire for any snipers in tall trees , a la the Pacific in WWII . Just aim at the base of the tree , and takes what you gets . She do make a lot of noise , don’t she ?

[@Redmenace96]

That is an amazing rate of fire! If one soldier in the squad was designated the Machine Gunner, he would need an assistant/ammo bearer. The M14 is not useless, but the DoD really had their head up their kiester to develop/adopt this.

[@doughesson]

I carried an M14 during security alerts in my ship when assigned the assistant gunner job to the M60 guy. My first loadout,I was handed 4 belts with 100 rounds each,then the M14 & 5 magazines in pouches. I asked if I was supposed to carry all that ammunition & still defend myself only to be told"Sailor, I don't give a damn about you but you better defend that ammo & watch Petty Officer Rambo's back!" Gotcha,Chief.

[@jacobmccandles1767]

The question is "how close to useless *could* it be, without being obviously useless.

[@BobSmith-dk8nw]

One thing I failed to mention here - was that when I was in the Marines - while I had not fired an M-14 on full auto myself - I served with people who had. A lot of the guys I served with - were right back from Vietnam. I asked them, given what I had heard about the difficulty of controlling the weapon on full auto, how it was. They said that - it was a training issue. It took some extra training to be able to control the 14 on full auto - but that was it. A trained operator could use the weapon on full auto - and they did. Here - the Marine Fire Teams still had a slot for the Automatic Rifleman. So - this guy would be trained on firing it on full auto - but - the other members of the fire team might not be and would typically use it on semi-auto. Another issue with this weapons is the ammunition. 7.62 is a good bit bigger than 5.56 - which is why you have 20 round M-14 Magazines and 30 round 5.56 Magazines (though the ones we had for the M-16's were 20's). The thing here - is that ammunition can get heavy depending on how much you carry. For everyone to carry a lot of 7.62mm would mean there were other things - like Claymores - they might not be carrying. The 5.56 ammo is so light you can really carry a lot of it - and thus - you had a lot of ammo to expend. The Marines at that time had what they called "A Mad Minute" (not at all what the British mean by that). Here - our training company in ITR had one platoon at time - fire two magazines of tracers on a night firing range. The purpose of this - the use of ALL tracers - was so we could SEE just how much fire power a platoon of Marines had. It was a lot. Guys told me that the first thing they'd all do in a sudden fire fight - was lay down - lift their M-16's up over their heads and spray an entire magazine in the general direction of the enemy. With a whole platoon doing that - there was a tremendous volume of fire put out - and if anyone on the enemy side was exposed - they were very likely to get hit. This is of course - an M-16 tactic. A weapon with a real recoil - couldn't be used that way - but with almost no recoil the M-16's could. That was the best thing about the M-16 - was that you could really pump out a lot of rounds with it. So - of course - the Army had the weapon modified to only do 3 round bursts .... They took the one thing the weapon was really good at - and fucked it up. .

[@od1452]

Thanks Ian . My early Army years were with the M 14. I admit it was a little heavy especially when loaded . But it was accurate once you understood how much the bullet arcs. Contrary to what many believe.... not every soldier had the auto select. ( they were disabled and Auto Rifle was a special qualification for the Auto Riflemen ) In the Aviation company we had only one per platoon... the Infantry had one per squad. ( I fired a number of them when I was in the infantry later in my career ) All that I saw that had the full auto capability used the E type stock and bipod. It looked strange but It was comfortable and made the rifle ( heavy) much more controllable...still not perfect admittedly, but the you used short bursts... The M 60 ( another great gun) was for full auto and we were taught to be aggressive with it. So full auto M14 was a compliment to the M 60 and not intended as the squad source Full Auto.

[@TheVestibulian]

4:42 them dang VC are hiding in the bushes agin

[@bailey9r]

You mean the trees? ;

[@damonminnix4660]

oh man you can see the bushes being shredded

[@triumphmanful]

sprayed their asses with 3 round bursts, worked for me !

[@torbai]

In FM 23-8, US Rifle, 7.62mm, M14 and M14E2, 1965, paragraph 3, a, (2), it says "When employed as an automatic rifle, the selector and bipod M2 must be installed (fig. 2). It should be fired from bipod or hip, not from shoulder.

[@boondocker7964]

Well, I've fired it using the bipod's, I'm still not a fan, it is just difficult for someone out in the bush, to really get accurate rounds on target, in my opinion. Bipods use to cost $45, in '66, M-14 went for $195, at that time.

[@wingracer1614]

Yes that was the idea. Fire from hip while advancing on the enemy trench. Too bad the gun and doctrine weren't around in time for WWI. Try that shit in Vietnam and you're a dead Marine. I've had the glorious opportunity to handle several dozen M14s straight out of government stockpiles, most still in a plastic bag covered in cosmoline. Not a one of them had a bipod included.

[@ammarchetta]

I guess shooting from over cover would be out of the question, like a wall or out a window

[@torbai]

It is actually called "assault fire" and it was also used in WW2, along with other supports such as tanks. In assault fire, soldiers could fire from the hip. You can see this tactic in the movie Fury during the final stage assault by tanks and infantrymen to the enemy anti-tank gun and machine gun positions hidden under the bushes. This is one of the few things that that movie did it right.

[@menachem2521]

The M14/M1A is very athletically pleasing. Quite a beautiful rifle.

[@garystrong1651]

TRUTH. Had the m14 in Nam then the m16. Both had selector switch to auto. Didn't care a whole lot about accuracy, just wanted rounds down range which meant fewer incoming.

[@mvg03]

Gary Strong fire superiority

[@garystrong1651]

@@mvg03 Affirmative. Fear factor.

[@arnoldgerdsnerteresq.9346]

My experience with the M16 required it being in the semi auto mode while doing some serious lead slinging. Full auto only caused them to jam. A jam required a substantial tree to slam the butt against to dislodge the jammed round. As far as reducing enemy fire I'm not sure about that but it did make it harder to hear any incoming fire.

[@boatingman11]

I loved my m14. We all started with them. We would give our AR guys a magazine or two filled with rounds from the m60. It supposedly helped camouflage the sound of our m60 while it was being fired. I really don't think it helped much. I didn't have any trouble telling them apart, so I was pretty sure Charlie could figure it out.

[@martinsirois4847]

plot twist: its not full auto he just has a really fast trigger finger

[@user-njyzcip]

Plot twist: gun jesus is actually Jerry Miculek in disguise

[@chadspawr3041]

There was an auto variant. I carried one. A bipod was available.

[@user-njyzcip]

@@chadspawr3041 it's a joke bruh everyone knows the early M14s were all full auto

[@twanchee206]

Scuffed controller be like

[@Joesmith-fu4ps]

A Joe Biden finger. lol

[@GunsNGames1]

2:59 Gun Jesus screams of excitement

[@wastedtime1585]

Just anyone that reads this, spam the time stamp it is undeniably the funniest i have ever heard thank you sir

[@cwolf8841]

I’m impressed with the amount of control he had. I tried semi-auto rapid fire once. The M14 was exc for crowd control…bayonet and butt stroke.. The M16 was lousy for bayonet work.

[@maxsmodels]

I feel compelled to add a little flourish to the full auto use of the M-14. When I was in high school in the late 1970s we saw an old army training film about the M-14A1. It was designed to give the squad some suppressive fire so you were supposed to use the forward pistol grip and/or a bipod. They never intended for it to be accurate for full auto fire, but it was supposed to be useful for full auto suppressive fire while the fire team advanced. Often the squad leader or platoon sergeant had a key that he would use to put the automatic rifle man in full auto and leave the regular rifleman in semi. The actual A/S rotating knob was often removed and the gun could only be put in fully automatic by using the key that was in possession of a noncommissioned officer.

[@maxsmodels]

Ian, would you cool with me using a bit of the footage to make that point on a Fun With Guns.

[@carbonreptile5437]

aims at small rock on the ground shoots down helicopter

[@talktoyoutoo405]

shooting down a helicopter would be difficult with just 1 shot.

[@sarahmathias9463]

@@talktoyoutoo405 Yknow humans have these things called jokes: they're things that aren't serious and meant to make you laugh.

[@talktoyoutoo405]

@@sarahmathias9463 you miss my joke

[@davehopkin9502]

Demonstrates perfectly why the British L1A1 Version of the FN FAL was semi-Auto Only...on full auto you are just endangering bird life

[@davehopkin9502]

Not when I was in the British Army we weren't!!! We were taught to Double Ta p with as little pause between shots as possible when using aimed fire, when using rapid suppressive fire it was as soon as you dropped back into the aim

[@micahdadbeh5955]

Dave Hopkin they had a full auto l1a1 called the l2a1, but they had a 30 round magazine and a heavier barrel, with a hand guard that folded out to become a bipod. Still less efficient than your refitted Bren guns, but still

[@davehopkin9502]

The L1A1 was the standard long arm issued to the British Army, a version of the Belgian FN FAl - it was NOT not an automatic, it was restricted to semi auto (thats why it was called the "L1A1 Self Loading Rifle") - It came with a 20 Round Box Magazine (std issue was 4 mags plus a parade Mag) - It did NOT have a fold out anything nor did it have a Bipod or a heavier barrel - Not sure what FN FAL derivative you are talking about but it certainly isnt the L1A1 (I carried one for 7 years!) - Bren was replaced with the FN GPMG (though some units hoarded Brens just in case - some of them popped up in the Falklands)

[@Fycola333]

Some british soldiers during falkland wars often ditched their l1a1 for argentinian full auto fal

[@metermaide1726]

scaring the birds,scaring the crap out of the enemy infantry,and even making the friendly's poop their pants cause of how much kick this gun has.

[@jpavlvs]

I love the M-14. I was trained with them in Marine Boot Camp, ITR and had one after I got back from Vietnam. It is a joy to shoot, accurate and it only takes one to take out your target.