Shooting with no Light Meter. Sunny 16 and F8 Don't Be Late!

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Shoot Film Like a Boss

Shoot Film Like a Boss

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@tadeusz11000
@tadeusz11000 Жыл бұрын
Rog, you are not just a great teacher of photography and presenter, but also a great entertainer. Great stuff and keep em coming!
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Thanks Tad. Kind of you to say.
@danhill2045
@danhill2045 Жыл бұрын
I shot for school publications all through high school and college (1961-1969) with no light meter, using Sunny 16, Tri-X and D76, with occasional screw-ups, but generally satisfactory results. I had the indoor exposures pretty much memorized. Your channel gives the feeling of sharing stories, including the embarrassing ones, with old friends. Always a pleasure.
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
I guess back then light meters were expensive or seen as a tool for the "professional portraiture photographer" and press guys would learn the light and happily shoot f8 all day. Indoor exposures are probably another learning curve
@patrickmcfadden1689
@patrickmcfadden1689 Жыл бұрын
I was also a school year book photographer 1970-1972, shot with no light meter, TriX film and had awesome results using Sunny 16 although I didn't know that term back then. I use it now with digital to get in close to the right exposure and rock it in using the camera metering. I also use auto ISO along with manual FStop and SS. Best rule ever especially to help get someone to use manual mode.
@stephanweiskorn6760
@stephanweiskorn6760 2 ай бұрын
Excellent video 😮!
@frankpavich
@frankpavich Жыл бұрын
This channel is such a joy.
@h.4744
@h.4744 Жыл бұрын
Sunny 16 always worked for me. B/W-film is quite forgiving. Regarding F8, don't be late! In Germany they have a similar saying: "Sonne lacht, Blende 8".
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Translated for anyone else "Sun smiles, aperture 8". ha ha, thanks.
@theoldfilmbloke
@theoldfilmbloke Жыл бұрын
excellent 'Teaching Video' -- Beginners will learn a lot !
@jasonblake5576
@jasonblake5576 8 ай бұрын
That was the very best practical application of Sunny 16 I’ve seen!!!! 👏
@lensman5762
@lensman5762 Жыл бұрын
Distinct sharp shadow sunny 16. Hazy soft shadow, sunny 16 plus one, vague shadow sunny 16 plus 2. No shadow, overcast sky sunny 16 + 21/2. Heavy overcast, full open up 3 stops. This works for average scene with equal distribution of light and dark tones. Great shots Rog.
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Ha ha I'm staring thinking 21 / 2 (2 and a half) 😂
@alanhuntley55
@alanhuntley55 Жыл бұрын
I never shoot sunny 16. After many years of testing B&W film with a densitometer, in my opinion sunny 16 will generally guarantee under-exposure even in full sunlight. For me, correct exposure is closer to f/8 - f/11 with shutter speed set as you describe.
@tomamyx3980
@tomamyx3980 Жыл бұрын
Your "correct exposure of f/8 - f/11'' is the sunny 16 rule!. Virtually every camera setting is based on that principle.
@alanhuntley55
@alanhuntley55 Жыл бұрын
@@tomamyx3980 My understanding of the Sunny 16 rule is: 1) set shutter speed to 1/ISO, and 2) set aperture on f/16. For B&W film, I've always found that this setting will under-expose by 1 - 2 stops.
@stefflus08
@stefflus08 Ай бұрын
Ok, but do you live in a smoggy or oceanic hazy place? I haven't checked with a densitometer, nor have I had a discrepancy with S16. Just trying to cover all the variables before I doubt it. In addition, every time I use a light meter I ask myself, does this tally well with S16? Is there a haze I didn't notice?
@filmic1
@filmic1 12 күн бұрын
Thank you. That was a great tutorial and exposures. I'm encouraged. I have an old Nikkormat FT2 with an out of commission light meter. In all my years I don't think I've ever used it. Imagine if one used a yellow filter?! Thanks again.
@espenbjrkvold5119
@espenbjrkvold5119 Жыл бұрын
For my Norwegian conditions I tend to use “sunny 11” with good results. 😊 I even use it as a guide when working digital.
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Hey Espen! Nice to hear from you. Hope alls well :)
@lynyrdelmore2357
@lynyrdelmore2357 Жыл бұрын
I’ve tried a reverse method that works well. Using iso 125 I set the aperture to f8 and leave it there. For sharp shadows set the shutter speed to 1/500. For soft shadows 1/250, and barely visible shadows 1/125. I also stand develop with Rodinal. It’s like a manual aperture priority approach.
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Yes using the shutter also is an option. If you want to keep the DOF.
@charlespitts5901
@charlespitts5901 Ай бұрын
Things get interesting for me as I like to shoot lenses generally wide open f1.4-1.2 with an added yellow or orange filter (B&W film), and use low ISO films like Ektar 100 (no filter), Ortho 80, or Pan-F 50 for sunny days. I've been doing this for years so I rarely mess up too badly. It's a matter of training the brain to read the conditions. After a while, it becomes second nature. Most of the time, I expose for the shadows. The highlights are easy to recover in post, unlike digital.
@jamesdecross1035
@jamesdecross1035 Жыл бұрын
Hmmm… I'm intrigued. I know about the f16-rule, but I don't use it much. Instead, I'll often take a simple meter-reading off vegetation or grass, and use that as my mid-tone. This video seems to reveal that aperture can control contrast as much, if not more, than exposure. I'll have to try it one day.
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
I do the same on the street with my spot meter James but point it to anything middle grey such as the pavement. Works every time.
@alanprice7584
@alanprice7584 Жыл бұрын
When you think of the millions of photos taken on the old Kodak Brownie cameras that captured the images of our youth (some of us) you realise just how much leeway there is when 8t comes to exposure. I'm a new subscriber and enjoying your no frills approach to photography.
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Back then the average photographer wasn't looking for perfection. Just happy snaps. I imagine there was a cheat sheet instruction included with the Brownie. Imagine how exciting it was to actually take your own photograph back then!
@chrisreich40
@chrisreich40 Жыл бұрын
I learned photography with a Kodak Retina camera. It had no light meter so I had to learn the Sunny 16 rule. It also had a viewfinder, *not* a rangefinder, so I had to learn zone/guess focus. Even the first roll of film turned out acceptably well. Today I can use Sunny 16 with cameras whose light meters either are non-functional or those whose mercury batteries are no longer available, and I look like a magician to my grandkids! Things are even easier today with Ilford XP2+ and it's crazy latitude. The secret is to treat it as though its ISO is about 200. Great video, "Boss".
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
I shoot XP2 and develop it in BW Chems, not C41. I've had incredible results with it. I love my view cameras. Retinettes etc. They do make you learn Zone and Metering without a meter.
@vinodsharma-fb8cy
@vinodsharma-fb8cy 3 ай бұрын
Very informative video. You reminded the old school film days. A leaflet used to come with the film box and your f16 rule was illustrated. I have used a lot on manual film cameras. A time came just looking at the light right exposure automatically came in the mind. It always worked. Thanks for the nice video. God bless you.
@2252269
@2252269 8 ай бұрын
In the 80' and 90's I could not afford any lightmeter so Sunny 16 my our only support and it not only worked excellent but our brain was wired to it. So we learnt the basics well. Then came the digital era and the tech companies kind of fooled us to buy the latest and greatest to make super precision and super details, leadimg to technicalities and often forgetting the fun and artistic parts. Certainly all technical developments are appreciated. But. Some 5 years ago I returned to film photography and I develop+scan my negatives with full satisfaction (meaning embracing the mistakes and enjoying the process and learning curves). Probably my biggest self-improvement in past decades was the switch to run my own film development. I recently did a similar test month, combined with a comparision of Weltax 6x6 and anon AE-1 in manual mode, using HP5 plus. So, your findings, thoughts and conclusion came not only handy but confirmed my own findings. And your way of presentation made it truly enjoyable. Thanks for your humble approach and support while you generously share real value. Much appreciated.
@steffenbjoern
@steffenbjoern 6 ай бұрын
Another great video! My experience is that knowledge and experience regarding the Sunny Sixteen rule helps to plausibility check light meter readings. Especially in the present times, many old light meters are usable but must be crosschecked from time to time. May it be the increased battery current of modern cells, corrosion in the light meter, starving Selenium cells or lacking knowledge about the measuring angle of the light meter. All of these facts mean that the readings can differ by even far more than one or two stops from the optimum exposure. The "Don't be late, use aperture eight" rule explains to me very much why so many "point and shoot" cameras of the pre- and postwar eras just used one or maximum two apertures and a fixed shutter speed. The speed related to the proposed film for that model and the apertures just took into account that an over exposure by one till three stops was no killing fact for the quality of an acceptable photo at those times.
@lupindeweir
@lupindeweir Жыл бұрын
F 8 and be there was an old photojournalist saying used when they were being pestered about how they made a shot.
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
And after so much pestering even if it was f16 or they couldn't remember .... F8. lol
@lupindeweir
@lupindeweir Жыл бұрын
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss If you are intrested the guy I got that from worked for the old Memphis Press Scimitar for 30 years and that closed 30 years ago. Enjoy your channel!
@totenvt
@totenvt Жыл бұрын
i have literally spent the last week wandering around the local town with a Retina IIc, sunny 16 and XP2plus doing people and buildings, EV ranged from 17 to 14 in the shade according to the hand held meter but the S16 rule was supprisingly accurate based on guesstimates and 500th of a sec
@PhotoswithArt
@PhotoswithArt 3 ай бұрын
Very good video, thank you. I shoot digital and also learned this rule when I bought my first DSLR years ago hoping that I could set the camera quickly with a confident exposure, but the light meter in camera got me in the end. Now I'd like to get back to practice this rule again, it seems to make photography much more challenging. 👍
@helsingbergarcanjo8337
@helsingbergarcanjo8337 11 ай бұрын
Congrats on your great shots using the sunny 16 rule! Your explanation was really very clear, and I felt confident enough to try it out. Negs look promising! Thanks very much indeed!
@tgchism
@tgchism Жыл бұрын
Certainly a great tool for street photography when you can't always use all the tools! Especially good for meterless cameras! Thanks for the video!
@peterangusphotography3423
@peterangusphotography3423 Жыл бұрын
Wow, I’m seriously impressed with how well it works! I have a few meterless cameras and should try this myself. I have a Russian camera somewhere that shows the sunny 16 chooses within the viewfinder with a sliding needle coupled to the aperture control. I’ve never used it but will dig it out and load it up…
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Hope it works Peter.
@erichstocker8358
@erichstocker8358 Жыл бұрын
I use the sunny 16 rule quite a bit. If I forgot my meter or I want to confirm whether meter is giving reasonable results (even meters break). Also for street-like photography this is a good technique as one doesn't want to waste time with the metering. As your images show, BW film is quite forgiving. Love your videos as it is great seeing someone having fun taking photographs. Thanks!
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
I always check my cameras meters with my DSLR Cameras. I've never used the sunny 16 to see but I guess that would work in an approximate way :)
@DominikJa4711
@DominikJa4711 Жыл бұрын
Wasn‘t prepared to get a photography lesson by Sean Connery today! Good one Cheers from Germany
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Okay, that made me chuckle! Thanksh
@geophizz
@geophizz Жыл бұрын
Great video! It's the best guide to the sunny 16 rule that I've seen. From what I understand, the phrase "F8 and be there" was advice given by Arthur Fellig aka 'Weegee', a crime photographer in New York in the 30's-60's. He was known for scooping the other photographers and using more creative angles and compositon for his photos.
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Thanks Geo! Ad I didn't know that. So thanks.
@Resgerr
@Resgerr Жыл бұрын
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss that's how he got the nickname Weegee( from the Ouji board) as he scooped the other reporters- really had more to do with him having his car radio tuned to the police radio channel and the fact he lived in his car.
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Getting there before the others.
@geophizz
@geophizz Жыл бұрын
@@Resgerr There is a biorgraphy out called "Fhash!" It detailed how he had one of the earliest police radios in his car, and rented/bartered darkroom space from the newspapers to get them the photos first.
@Resgerr
@Resgerr Жыл бұрын
@@geophizz thanks I will get the book, I've just been listening to a podcast where the author Christopher Bonanos is talking about the book and tge research he did☺️
@sputumtube
@sputumtube Жыл бұрын
What a beautiful part of the country you live in. Also, it may be worth mentioning 'bracketing' (like you did with that little silver bird-shit covered hatchback) if you can afford to waste the film. I get my films developed at a lab so I have no control over it, but if you develop your own, corrections (compensations) can be made as you process your films at home. Great video as usual and the best version of explaining 'Sunny 16' I've seen. Thanks for posting. :)
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Thanks Sputumube. It is a nice island when the sun shines! And yes bracketing if you really want that shot to come out. I'm happy to bracket if I am unsure of anything.
@masanthar
@masanthar 2 ай бұрын
Lacking a light metre at the moment makes shooting my recently acquired MF brick a challenge. I got back to this rule and crosscheck the exposure with a tiny m3/4 camera for reference. Gotta wait a bit for the results though. I think in general exposing to the right might be advisable.
@batuhancokmar7330
@batuhancokmar7330 Жыл бұрын
I always use lightmeter for accurracy but these rules of thumb are very useful as sanity check. If I'm out on a heavy overcast day, and lightmeter shows F16 when its supposed to be something like f8 or 5.6, I'll know its faulty. Needle gets stuck, battery gets low, a drop of sea water at a wrong place. These are 50-year old cameras. Even phone apps can screw up because of an update; happened to me once.
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
I'm always dubious with my phone app. Often it has helped me out but I never relied on it whole heartedly.
@andrewcroft2570
@andrewcroft2570 Жыл бұрын
Great video I've been trying this rule but you've explained it perfectly.
@mixiepalms8338
@mixiepalms8338 Жыл бұрын
great video! my daughter is a falconer ! Must be haven falconry. ! they are really great! clearly got the birds weight wrong lol ! i love the sunny 16! i still even use with my non film cameras for street
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Yes that's the place 😁
@mickcookson8009
@mickcookson8009 Жыл бұрын
Great video Rog, glad you kep it honest.
@largophoto
@largophoto Жыл бұрын
Roger ..thank you for going the extra mile on this .. importantly difference of light on a sunny day v hot hazy day.loved the 'bonce' rule .. sadly my hat has gotten bigger
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Thanks Nick. Your head shrinking Nick?
@robbysmusic8507
@robbysmusic8507 Жыл бұрын
Great teaching video, thanks so much Roger. All the best. Robby.
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Cheers Robby
@stevebutcher6117
@stevebutcher6117 Жыл бұрын
Ive never used sunny 16, but think ill give it ago now its been explained to me.
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Just remember even though it's sunny it may not be as bright as you think. You can easily download a phone app to check it once
@ray_wilton
@ray_wilton Жыл бұрын
By coincidence tonight I just developed my first sunny 16 roll, taken at a coronation garden party with a meterless King Regula L (see what I did there - coronation...King camera). Developed the Kentmere 100 in Bellini Euro HC. Negs look good! Will defo do it again.
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Nice one! Glad they came out well. :)
@hoorayforpentax3801
@hoorayforpentax3801 Жыл бұрын
I had the batteries fail in my Pentax ME once. This is a camera that's permanently in Aperture Priority mode with an exposure compensation dial and no manual shutter speed control. Fortunately, Pentax went out of their way to give us battery-independent flash sync on this machine; 1/100. A bit of mental arithmetic was required because I had 400-speed colour film loaded, but I managed to get good results on the rest of the roll.
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
NIce. The OM20 I am stuffed if the batteries die. Like the Nikon FM you get a recovery shutter of 1/90th.
@davecarrera
@davecarrera Жыл бұрын
Got a F1 recently and due to the built in meter being off due to a higher voltage battery I have been relying on both the techniques you used in this video. Sunny 16 and zone focusing. Been using zone focusing on a lot of film work recently. Once you get your head round it, it becomes second nature to fix your distances for your zone and look up at the sky for what aperture. Snow and Sand on sunny day - f22 Clear sunny sky - f16 Any cloud - f8 Shade f4 or if like the chap in the van in your video f2.8 or lower. Still a WIP but getting there.
@burningmilk53
@burningmilk53 Жыл бұрын
Drop in a 675 hearing aid battery, it's technically .1v overrated but on the self test it lands the needle perfectly in the middle on my F1
@davecarrera
@davecarrera Жыл бұрын
@@burningmilk53 thanks for the info 👍📷
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
That's 1.4V right? That would work for 1.3v cameras? (Or give better reading than 1.5v?)
@burningmilk53
@burningmilk53 Жыл бұрын
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss they list 1.45v on the package. I always check new ones against the self test in the F1 and haven't had any test over yet. Readings I get also match the metering app I use with my phone often enough for me to consider it pretty reliable. They don't fit perfectly in the socket, but if you're careful loading it in it will connect up fine.
@GONZOFAM7
@GONZOFAM7 Жыл бұрын
I use sun16 with my Vito II and Olympus PEN S. Daily companions. I check the sunniness of my subject that could be in shade and not match the overall strength of the sun. I also start at the typical Sun16 settings and adjust shutter speed to help preserve depth of field. Great video. Thanks for sharing.
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Thanks Gonzo.
@Narsuitus
@Narsuitus Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Since my large format camera, my medium format cameras, and my pinhole cameras do not have built-in light meters, I often use the Sunny 16 to determine my exposures.
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
I've not tried it on Large Format. I guess the thought of wasting a sheet puts me off but hats off to those that nail it.
@Pepsiphopia
@Pepsiphopia Жыл бұрын
Gonna try Sunny 16 more with my Rolleicord. Only done it on my FED-2 and the pictures come out alright
@robbiemer8178
@robbiemer8178 Жыл бұрын
Lovely shots! I definitely use sunny 16 and have for a long time. A big help for me has been to settle on one or two films to use. Having a good understanding of what my camera, my lenses, my film choice, and my processing will get me is the the important thing for me. Learning sunny 16 has absolutely lead me to really looking at the light. I do not always use sunny 16 since some of my cameras do have good meters and I also do have a good external meter. That meter I mainly use with my 4x5 camera. I still have not found a meter app for my phone that I like very much. I have not looked at the options in a year or two, any suggestions? The one thing I would say to folks new to this is that it does require practice. Meter-less shooting is not really complicated and it can give good consistent results once you have some experience with it. I did learn that wearing transitions type glasses was not good for me in that it caused me to evaluate the light wrong. I guess my brain sort of forgot that I was wearing sunglasses because the glasses changed with the light. With regular sunglasses it seems like my brain does not fool it self like that and I can account for the effect of them. Thank you for this excursion and discussion about sunny 16, well done!
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
It does require practice. You can easily get fooled. I use a APP for android called AP Light Meter.
@Michael-hp2pe
@Michael-hp2pe Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for all the great videos!
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@VoidToForm
@VoidToForm 8 ай бұрын
a roll of film is drying that I just shot with the advice from this video... It looks like it went really well!
@danem2215
@danem2215 Жыл бұрын
I use it when I don't feel like metering with the Bronica. TMax will take a ton of abuse so I typically overexpose f/8 or f/11 at 1/250 with 400 speed. I can burn down reasonably well and not worry about if I'm underexposing when it's a bit shady
@Socrates...
@Socrates... Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the video tutorial
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Thanks Socrates, nice to hear from you again.
@rick-fstop-lewis
@rick-fstop-lewis Жыл бұрын
The sunny 16/hazy 8 method works well for street photography where you only have a second to grab the shot...f8 don't be late! I only use a meter for still life, portraits and other slow or non moving subjects. If I am in doubt I will take a shot first on my phone and see which settings it used and go from there....used to bring my 40D but it was too much to carry two cameras....and why when I got a phone with. lol
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
I used to take my DSLR with me too on landscapes before I had a handheld meter and before the apps were "Better". As you say a real pain to carry unnecessary. Good for seeing the scene and comparing after developing though.
@rolleicanon
@rolleicanon Жыл бұрын
"f8 and be there" is by Weegee (Arthur Fellig) when he was asked for the secret of his success as a news photographer. He kept a police radio by his bed and in his car and often arrived at the scene of a killing before the police. He used a Speed Graphic, if my memory serves me right. "f8" means don't faff around with complicated settings.
@helgividar
@helgividar Жыл бұрын
Developing sense for light and exposure is a useful skill for a photographer. The inbuilt light meter on my Nikon FE2 sometimes fails me especially if it is a low key scene and the image gets overexposed. In those cases these rules of thumb are better.
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
I have a couple of cameras where the light meter is correct outside but indoors they are way off! OM20 is one. So I can't trust the meter either way anymore.
@edscannell1019
@edscannell1019 Жыл бұрын
Great video 👍🏻👍🏻
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Thanks Ed
@kdj.imagery4317
@kdj.imagery4317 Жыл бұрын
Oh...I'm late, I'm late I must press button 8! Great video mate! I'm wondering about the shot of the chap in the caravan, you shot him at 2.8 was that at 1/125 sec? Everything looked like it was in focus. My film camera has three settings (f8, f11, and f16) and I was wondering, you mention about the mixed lighting and when too change the apertures accordingly. Do you use the apertures to change the depth of field coupled with the zone focusing? Cheers
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
The aperture is not coupled to the distance scale. I change the scale if I change the aperture for a differently lit scene. Or if I wanted to keep the same aperture I could change the shutter speed (as long as it does t go too slow, 1/30th with those cameras is probably the slowest I could go without camera shake)
@c.augustin
@c.augustin Жыл бұрын
I use "sunny 16" mainly to check on my meter readings (plausibility test ;-)) - because I might've forgotten to set the ISO on the meter. And were I lived most of my life, in Berlin, it was rather "sunny 11 to 16" (half a stop less than 16), partly due to the less clear air over the big city, partly to compensate for the 1/3 stop difference in shutter speed. I used it for a roll of slide film once, and it worked quite well (Kodachrome 25, if I remember correctly, and this is much more critical than negative film). Before light meters were invented (or when they were still quite expensive), there were "exposure calculators" (I have one from Agfa) and extensive exposure tables available and in use. Quite impressive what can be achieved without electronics - but I go with a light meter most of the time (and mostly using an iPhone app).
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
The apps are pretty good for incident
@SebastianOakley
@SebastianOakley Жыл бұрын
I do a lot of street photography and sometimes landscapes and I always use the Sunny 16 rule, I just find it easy to remember and stick to, with film I always find you have a good latitude in case you're slightly out, but I also use it with my digital Leica too - Sunny 16 for the win!
@virgilfunderburk8257
@virgilfunderburk8257 Жыл бұрын
i use richard koolish disk exposure disk, so, sort of use it
@MarcoRoepers
@MarcoRoepers Жыл бұрын
Iḿ using a Zenit 3M. Not the best camera, but no batteries. I'm using a lightmeter, Sometimes I make a guess what my lightmeter will say. Sometimes I am right, sometimes wrong. I think those rules apply only in the middle of the day. Not in the evening or morning. Am I wrong. Very informative video. Happy with it.
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Early morning or late evening yes I wouldn't go to 16. F8 ore so. But just keep your eye on the shadows.
@MrHammoco
@MrHammoco Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@filmlovephotography
@filmlovephotography Жыл бұрын
All weather f8 rule 😂. Cheers mate 👍
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Cheers Peds.
@rawalker666
@rawalker666 Жыл бұрын
always use sunny 16 rule when shooting with my Nikon F since i dont even have the option off a light meter on it
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Forces you to learn the light I suppose
@rawalker666
@rawalker666 Жыл бұрын
@@ShootFilmLikeaBoss got some perfectly acceptable results that way too definatly not 100% hit rate though
@RickMahoney2013
@RickMahoney2013 Жыл бұрын
My friend shot the sunny 16 rule all the time and his photographs were great but I never tried it.
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Try it Rick. Handy to know
@brineb58
@brineb58 Жыл бұрын
I use the Sunny 16 about 80% of the time, all my old cameras don't have meters ... easy enough if you pay attention ... plus I'm fuckin' sensitive!!! I am also a huge zone focusing fan ... I can turn all my cameras into a high-end point and shoot!!!
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
I'm often zoning Brine
@anta40
@anta40 Жыл бұрын
I'm curious: is there something equivalent to Sunny 16 but for indoor situation? And by "indoor" means any indoor situations: sometimes you have a strong window light, sometimes don't.
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
I guess if you have strong sunlight coming in from a window during the day covering half of your scene and you hit f16 you're going to get a contrasty scene! With the interior being half dark and the highlight area from the sun being okay. I'd probably go F8. Depending on the intensity of the light. But I wouldnt like to guess a scene like that
@stevegates2
@stevegates2 7 ай бұрын
What shutter speeds do you use with sunny 16
@zhongyao-sc1lj
@zhongyao-sc1lj 6 ай бұрын
For B&W film,overexpose 6 STOP can still be ok?
@jamesprivet
@jamesprivet 4 ай бұрын
Overexposure is OK for non tabular grain or regular grain B&W films like TriX 400, FP4 and HP5 that handle over expoaure very well. But tabular grain fine grain films like Delta 100, Delta 400, TMAX 100 & TMAX 400 are much more sensitive to over exposure and can blow out highlights much more easily. 2 stops over and you will lose lots of image with those latter films.
@tomamyx3980
@tomamyx3980 Жыл бұрын
Even Ansel Adams' "Zone System" of exposure follows the principle of "Sunny 16". It is simply a systematic way of increasing or decreasing the amount of light that reaches the film. There are many variations of this principle. You have to learn to read the light correctly, and you do that by practicing your photography and training your eye!. Cartier-Bresson, for example, generally shot at 1/125 with 400 speed film, using a 50mm lens (no light meter), then adjusting the aperture accordingly. He was a master at reading the light correctly, but I'm I doubt he was masterful right from the beginning. I go on at least one photo walk per week with nothing but a nearly 70 year old light meter, trying to guess the readings, simply because as we age our eyes change, and we don't read the light as well as we once did, but this exercise helps (I like to think so anyway). Sorry to ramble... try using sunny 16, practice, experiment, for a period of time. I think you will learn to trust it.
@JimmyHandtrixx
@JimmyHandtrixx 10 ай бұрын
why he didnt use 1/500 for 400 film?
@jorrreg
@jorrreg Жыл бұрын
nice beard ) and another great video)
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Glad you like it!
@kriXoff75
@kriXoff75 Жыл бұрын
1/1000s or 1/2000s for 1600 ISO while using sunny 16?
@jamesprivet
@jamesprivet 4 ай бұрын
1/1000s better to be a little over exposed for most B&W negativd films and especially for colour negative films
@TristanColgate
@TristanColgate Жыл бұрын
I find metering with my phone slow, distracting, and generally annoying (normally end up needing both hands, which is a faff when you are also hokding a camera)
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
And usually just as you're on 10%
@RickMahoney2013
@RickMahoney2013 Жыл бұрын
Roger I would like to see you shoot some film and severity in the proper developer and proper time and do not do any dogging or burning to it just like if you sent it out to a lab for processing. Thanks Rick.
@russellsprout2223
@russellsprout2223 Жыл бұрын
I must 'av missed the dogging vlog, 😮
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
I do use proper developers Rick LOL. Or do you mean shooting film and using recommended developer?
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
On my other channel. :)
@Mr.P.57
@Mr.P.57 Жыл бұрын
I'm watching your film on sunny 16 and I'm wandering does sunny 16 work with filters on your lens.......
@Resgerr
@Resgerr Жыл бұрын
You would have to add the filter stop to the sunny16 rule. If you don't know you would have to check with a camera with a built-in lightmeter then write it on the filter case for future reference
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Thanks Resgerr.
@metingokbulut837
@metingokbulut837 Жыл бұрын
Nikon f3 var bende çok temiz❤👍👍👍💯💯💯🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Nice!
@Resgerr
@Resgerr Жыл бұрын
f/8 and your there is attributed to Weegee- who used a Speed Graflex camera. Weegee had 10 years experience of working in a darkroom when he first started out his career as a Photojournalist
@thomaschipman
@thomaschipman Жыл бұрын
being a large format shooter and rarely, if ever, shooting at f8, it is pretty unlikely that he was the originator of that saying.
@Resgerr
@Resgerr Жыл бұрын
@@thomaschipman some people say it was him - yet most of his photographs were taken a night with flash
@williamthompson5929
@williamthompson5929 Жыл бұрын
"F8 and be there" is ascribed to a New York news photographer known as Weegee.
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Cheers William!
@linusfotograf
@linusfotograf Жыл бұрын
That beard suits you
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Something to twiddle when reading comments LOL. Cheers.
@ajbrennan6456
@ajbrennan6456 Жыл бұрын
Tasty mk1 escort
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Wasn't it just!
@mkshffr4936
@mkshffr4936 Жыл бұрын
If you want to really test yourself shoot a roll of Chromes with sunny 16. 😇
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss
@ShootFilmLikeaBoss Жыл бұрын
Chromes are a nightmare at a car show especially when you're in the darkroom printing.... Unless you learn to ignore the highlight and be happy. I have ha ha. But I took the scrim out this time.
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