Why I Bought a Laguna Table Saw over SawStop!

[@davidbrenner5724]

When I bought my SawStop almost 10 years ago, I did a simple calculation - I knew I was going to use this for at least the next 20 years probably no less than every other weekend. The $1,500 lift for the safety capabilities comes out to $75 a year in finger insurance. I've never regretted the decision and now with my stepson using the saw I am as confident as ever that I made the right decision. He made a poor woodworking decision and touched the side of the blade while trying to cut some small pieces. SawStop did its thing and all he had to replace was his underwear (scared the crap out of him!). I got to use that as a teaching moment on the use of the various guides and push blocks (Microjig GRRRipper) that I have for those types of cuts. I didn't have to go to the emergency room and that made it all worth it.

[@enrikopalo]

Hopefully he won't have an accident and regret not to buy the Sawstop, I had a near experience and realized that there is no price on loosing the fingers so I bought the Sawstop it already made the money to pay itself..

[@ryandowling6917]

Do you have the same finger protection on your band saw, planer, jointer etc? Hen my chainsaw comes with the same auto safety feature I’ll spend up for the same stop.

[@enrikopalo]

They should make something like that for those tools as well, would get them asap. When your hands are your tools to make a living, I will protect them anyway I can.

[@9avedon]

Don't leave the house without your face diaper. There is a .01% chance YOU WILL DIE ! Anyone else sick of these dumb testimonials for dumb people ?

[@lisamarieashby2523]

Everyone has the right to make their own decisions, but I wholeheartedly agree with your way of thinking, and applaud your choice!

[@torchmd]

This is a great discussion... but I think that the idea that you “have to have a SawStop to be a serious woodworker” is flawed. SawStop provides a great degree of protection from an inadvertent injury. Being someone who works in a field where I get to see those injuries, I have to agree with your detractors... the incidence is low. NOt that low, but low. But the cost is HIGH. VERY HIGH. So the risk benefit ratio is still favorable to SawStop... But, you can use a good table saw safely, and go your entire life without, admittedly, doing anything stupid. The vast majority of table saw injuries I have seen or researched were the result of doing something that the victim admitted after the fact, they should not have been doing... so. Use a splitter, use the blade guard, use a push stick, don’t put your hand within 10 inches of the blade, and beware your set up... your incident of putting your hand in the blade is now very, very, very low. I have a patient who fell onto their saw... Blade all the way up, no guard, no fence in the way, saw on, blade running, fell backwards onto the saw table, not their back. It was profoundly, remarkably, unfashionably stupid. I feel very confident he would have died, if it had not been a SawStop. I own a SawStop... I love the Laguna Saw. I own a SawStop because I did something stupid and walked away with only messy shorts and a cold sweat... I stopped using my saw (a contractor saw) until I could buy as SawStop... Because I’m too stupid to be trusted not to do something stupid... That’s the honest truth. We are all at risk of doing something foolish in a moment of fatigue, hurry, or just plane, not thinking. You own a beautiful saw. I am jealous that you trust yourself enough not to do something foolish. I, as my wife likes to point out, am a fool. Like most of humanity.

[@aaronfrasco5797]

Literally nobody has ever said to be a serious woodworker you need a SS.

[@kblock1738]

I like how you capitalised SawStop(tm) as per the company design sheet every time you used it

[@atomictyler]

@@kblock1738 Just like how he capitalized Laguna? Must be a shill for both!

[@kblock1738]

@@atomictyler Laguna is a place champ, it'll default to being capitalised in most dictionaries.

[@atomictyler]

@@kblock1738 ahh yes. that's it laguna laguna laguna. look at all those auto-caps.

[@mikesmusings5937]

One of the factors that led me to buy Saw Stop a few months ago, was I love teaching friends and now grandkids a little woodworking. If it was only me I would have saved the money, but I would not been able to live with myself if I saw one of them get hurt. Excellent presentation, great to have these discussions.

[@bumblebee9019]

just use the blade guard, especially when you're teaching kids

[@AugustaWaterCooler]

Your use case of people who are total novices in woodworking and tool use is a compelling argument for Saw Stop for safety and liability, but the same argument may not apply to a solo user and or people with minimal training.

[@stompdonkey]

I was literally having this same discussion in my head for the last three months! I’ve finally settled on the F2 as well, but you really helped me nail down my decision! Thanks dude!

[@larrynelson7934]

I recently bought a Fusion Three. I have used it only for a short time and I LOVE it. The dust collection is amazing. I just built a small cabinet for my wife's scrapbook punches. The amount of dust when hooked up to my shop dust collector was surprising. I had very little dust if any in my shop. I bought a blade just for plywood and the saw cuts like butter. I am so happy to have bought the Laguna. I could not have afforded the same saw in the Sawstop.

[@donaldclark4785]

I too had my choices between this exact saw and a sawstop. I ultimately chose the sawstop for two reasons: 1.) I want to teach my sons woodworking and momma said get the sawstop because she wanted to reduce their risk (she’s the boss) 2.) I am an emergency room NP and it would be very difficult to do my job missing fingers. (With that though, the point of a sawstop is to never set it off) That being said I agree with everything you said and definitely weighed both options. I was so close to choosing the fusion2 that I had it ordered. Of all the little info out there on the saw, I heard/read good things. Love your channel been with you since 500 subscribers!

[@donbonddon]

Totally agree with this. I want our family to enjoy woodworking. My daughter in law is scared to death of the table saw. I do not regret my decision in any way. BUT everyone needs to make their decision and live with it. I have owned several table saws and for safety I believe it is even more important to get the most HP. 220 if at all is possible. I purchased the 3HP 220 and am VERY glad I did. Very dangerous cutting on an under powered saw no matter what brand. IMHO.

[@steveh8724]

So far I count 3 medical types posting here. All 3 went with the SawStop. Is it financial? Maybe partly. But mostly it's the added safety in what is otherwise a really nice saw. When you've seen what can happen, and hear how it happens, you gain an extra measure of respect for what can go wrong--even to those who are experienced, knowledgeable, and *always* careful.

[@bowlchamps37]

If you use a table saw properly (which I would hope you do if you instruct your sons how to use one), then the safety feature is obsolete. So I guess you just think you know how to use a table saw, but you really don´t.

[@bowlchamps37]

@@steveh8724 There is basically zero chance you cut yourself if you are experienced, knowledgeable, and always careful. You can only harm yourself if you are stupid or think you know how to use one.

[@donaldclark4785]

@@bowlchamps37 trying to determine if your inflection though your comment didn’t come out right or if you are just looking to be an asshat. Either way have a good day. Love my saw and the decision to get it.

[@KeithBNimble]

I have been doing some woodbutchering for several years and I am very proud to say that I can still tell my grandkids to "pull my finger".

[@steveh8724]

Are you saying 9 down, one to go?

[@KeithBNimble]

@@steveh8724 LOL. As long as I have a finger to pull I'm still golden.

[@brandytabor1147]

One month ago I, for some unknown reason, failed to use a push stick. When the piece kicked back my hand fell into the blade and my index finger got caught by the blade. I live alone and had to drive myself to the ER while bleeding profusely. It's a blessing I didn't lose the finger. So to me this is very much a reality and the cost of a SawStop is worth every penny. I can't even imagine what would have happened if I hadn't lowered the blade from 2" to 1/4" and the thought of it happening again, and not being so lucky, is terrifying. My SawStop should be here by the end of the month

[@charleselkins4546]

What, nearly losing one little index finger made you decide to dump your old saw and waste thousands and thousands on a Sawstop? For any good woodworker, silly safety features on a table saw that costs extra are just not worth it, until they are. Seriously, glad to hear that you didn't lose your finger and didn't give up on woodworking.

[@elizabetholiviaclark]

Living alone concerns me, and I'm quite a few miles from the hospital, but I surely can't afford a Saw Stop.

[@brandytabor1147]

@@elizabetholiviaclark I know what you mean about the cost. I'm blessed that my mom and dad were able to pitch in to cover cost. And when I got the hospital bill I realized the cost of the saw was actually less!

[@elizabetholiviaclark]

@@brandytabor1147 I have no doubt that the saw was less than the ER bill, and I'm glad you have it now.

[@dugefresh7063]

Always use a push stick on cuts less than 8 inches

[@kashel83]

Ok, I've no idea why I got this channel recommendation UNTIL NOW! I'm an amateur woodworker but this video is amazing, in terms of content and quality, not to mention humor, immediate sub.

[@thefilthycasualsworkshop5368]

You posted this the day I ordered my F2. This pretty much echoes my thought process as well.

[@felixfromnebraska8648]

As a hobby woodworker who just began this journey less than 5 years ago, I decided to buy a SawStop based on my abilities at the time. Now, if I had maybe taken woodshop in school, I may have made the same one you did. All in all, I am happy with my decision, and I'm happy you made a move to start filling in your tools you gave up when you moved. Thanks, my friend. Felix

[@roguea987]

I'm just getting started as a hobby woodworker. I looked at this Laguna saw; but, decided the safety feature in the Sawstop was worth the added cost hands down (no pun). When did I come to that decision you ask? Well, it was when I went to the ER after sending a hatchet into my finger while making kindling. No serious injury fortunately; but, I realized immediately that I make mistakes, I'm not experienced in that way. I have no formal wood working training. So, after paying $1900 for three stitches (w/insurance) I decided, even if I didn't lose my finger, hand or get a severe laceration to my wrist, just nicking a finger would cost me another $2000. I might as well pay it to Sawstop as a life long insurance plan. It will pay for its self the first mistake I make. (Not that I plan on making any!)

[@bowlchamps37]

@@roguea987 If you read a book over how to use a table saw properly, you could have taken the cheaper one because then the safety feature is obsolete.

[@roguea987]

@@bowlchamps37 not sure, why you wouldn't think I'd read about safety. But, you do you, I'll just playing it safe then sorry.

[@robertrobinson3597]

After 15 years with my Bosch Jobsite saw with vertical rise stand I'm finally ready for the next level. Do diligence for a tool in this price catagory meant a LOT of Study of the alternatives. Boy was I sold on Jet! loved Powermatic but not the price. Then the Laguna F2 showed up. Of course I studied the Sawstops. The cheapest Sawstop, the "Contractor model" was priced about the same as the Laguna F2. So, I went to actually touch & feel at Rockler & Woodworkers Supply as well as Woodcraft. Couldn't find a Fusion 2 here in Phoenix. But I did try out the only Sawstop I thought I could afford, the contractor model. My old Bosch was really pretty good at what counts, A stable straight and accurate fence. I have cut many thin strips with it and a lot of hardwood. The Bosch handled everything really well for its small stature. I did find several Sawstops. I did not like the fence at all. A stable fence, and a blade, alligned well, are THE really important features. DYI on this last requirement seemed to be avereage for most of the other machines. The fence on the Sawstop contractor saw was inferior to my old Bosch. Setting it to the desired location seemed to be very IFFY. Just exactly what I don't need. The fence on my brand new Laguna F2 is the very best on the market, if you ask me. The factory setup on the Trunion, motor and blade is just great. Better than I could have done myself. The wheels are on! Another $100 DYI job I didn't need, and yes it passes the nickle test as well. Waiting to see if I will do a zero clearance, thin kerf chopmaster blade which I had on my Bosch.

[@adgieem1]

We are in the exact same boat. I too had the same Bosch and now looking at Laguna. Only I am leaning towards the F1. Space is my issue. Can I ask why you picked the F2 over the 1 ?

[@wubears71]

16 years ago I went through the same calculation in my head. I’m an engineer too that balances risk all the time. A few weeks ago, I had a kickback from a 1/4” ply piece. Thank goodness my hands were not near the blade. But if they were, I could have been bad because it threw my hands forward. Two days later, I ordered a Sawstop. Safety is priority Number 1. I consider myself an extremely safe woodworker with thousands of hours of experience. Yet all it takes is one mistake and your life is changed for the worse. It’s the “it will never happen to me” mentality that gets you hurt.

[@Croziz]

So your experience is telling you that you're now MORE likely to have another accident? Sounds rather like your acting on your scare, rather than doing a risk calculation. With that said. Of course, the safety of you and your loved ones should be prio one.

[@Steven-e7c]

@@Croziz something is seriously wrong with you.

[@tomaskozler4856]

if safety is priority number one then don´t operate any saw ever again, don´t drive a car in fact don´t ever even step onto a road. period.

[@TrevorDennis100]

I guess we have all seen the Thintz12 video. That astonished me when I first saw it all those years ago. I've used and set up a lot of says since then, and have seen scary things like the guy at my Menz Shed who insisted it was OK to push a misshaped log through a big cabinet saw. According to Stumpy Nubs, it will soon be compulsory for saws sold in the USA to have SawStop brakes fitted. I live in NZ and the cheapest Sawstop here is NZ$7899! I've used and loved a DeWalt jobsite saw for years, but I feel like treating myself. The Laguna F2 NZ$3949 which is half the cost of the SawStop, so I am going with the Laguna. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2jWg6V5Z6-jppYsi=ObghK6wBSf_69fyg&t=152

[@donnygrahambuilds]

I just pulled the trigger on a Languna F2 as well back in September(2020). Its been a huge game changer for my building! Quiet as can be, cuts like butter (with the proper blade, I use a 60 tooth CMT), and quite affordable. I love sawstops, they look and perform amazing. But I just can't bring myself to shell out that kind of cash when (arguably) better options are readily available. Good review man, loving the videos!

[@lavillastrangiato7910]

There is no better option than keeping your fingers

[@ifollowjesus1667]

@@lavillastrangiato7910 nothing beats safety, common sense , and respect for the tools you are using. I agree though that for some ( scattered brain people, ADD, people, always tired, etc ) the Sawstop is the perfect table saw. I have ADD and I have to super concentrate on what I’m doing every time I do woodworking because I know my lack of concentration. I always pray before woodworking. I have been building furniture for the last seven years. God bless

[@SmokingDeWalt]

I enjoyed your video. I recently bought the Sawstop PCS 3hp with 36" fence. Ya, it was painful to spend that much on a table saw but at 54 years old, this will be the last table saw I ever buy and after a couple beers, I didn't care any more. I really couldn't afford it, maybe a mid life crisis thing, I don't know but I love this saw. I got the industrial mobile base which makes it so easy to move. My previous saw was the Ryobi B3000 that I have had for over 20 years, it was "OK" but had a lot of issues, hard to move, had to use only Ryobi accessories and the fence was horrible. Anyway, I'm sure the Laguna saw is great and half the price but you only live once and if you are a woodworker, the table saw is probably the most used tool you will have in your shop. I have no regrets buying the Sawstop but understand that it's not for everyone. Thanks for sharing your video.

[@alsmith7316]

If the saw fits your need, go for the sawstop. If it does not, live with something else. Don't have the money, live with something else. It is simple. I wish Sawstop would dump the contractor saw, make a true hybrid like the Fusion. Then, I would probably be owning a Sawstop.

[@steveh8724]

@@alsmith7316 Yes, or maybe look at the years you've waited and value them at $250/yr (that's less than a $/day). After 3 years of waiting, get the saw you want instead of settling. Like any quality tool, it will be a joy every time you use it.

[@alsmith7316]

@@steveh8724 3 years? I am confused.

[@austinhenry4382]

That aguna ooks coo . I was ooking for a new tab e saw and I wi robab y consider it after watching your video. I have thought about a SawSto after cutting off my right inky finger, but the cost of the aguna sure is hard to beat!

[@ShopNation]

I see what you did there....

[@adventureawakened]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Gold

[@flappy117]

@McCubbin Aerial Drone Photography & Video If you hit "L" with your pinky you're doing it wrong.

[@paulbatarseh7476]

LOL! That’s awesome!

[@jcsboardshack]

#wins

[@robertsmith3518]

I still am using my Lady Kenmore table saw that's 30 plus years old , Happy New Table Saw To You ! Enjoy

[@peterbigblock]

I have been weighing the Sawstop vs Laguna pros and cons, and have decided to buy a Laguna F2. The safety feature of Sawstop is very compelling, but it’s simply too expensive for me given my high degree of cautiousness and the fact that I’m the only one using the saw. The Laguna is a far better value for me. Thanks for your video!

[@lewisway6811]

Just got my Laguna F2 this week. I ordered it back in March so I am ready to start enjoying it.

[@shooterspodcast8667]

Thanks for the video. After all my research, your video was the tipping point. My Fusion F2 was delivered this morning. Setting up tomorrow.

[@bobwax11]

I wish anyone who might buy a Laguna product all of the luck in the world. You're gonna need it. The product that they make is solid. I have the first version of the Fusion and it's been a good tool. What really sucks is their customer service (read that DIS-Service). They greet you with an unpleasant receptionist who screens you like you wanted to rob them. Then 1-2 days later they email you to detail why you called. If they actually do call you back, their caller id is private (looks like another scam??), then they email that you don't answer the phone. Leaving a message is grounds for employee discipline. I could go on, but I'll leave it at that. LAGUNA NEVER AGAIN. Thanks for allowing the rant.

[@gettestudios]

I bought a SawStop. Because that’s what I wanted. I had seen one of these when they first came out. (Years ago). And always wanted one. And I now happily have one. Skill is what makes a serious woodworker, not his tools, but they do help.... good video!!

[@BdwyMTI]

I also bought a SawStop. Also because it's what I wanted. I'm a retired ER doctor who has attached more fingers than I care to count, fortunately none of them mine, and I'd like to keep it that way. That said, the most common cause of severe table saw injury isn't blade contact, but kickback, and SawStops do not prevent that. I'm happy with my choice, but if I had it to do over again, for roughly the same cost I'd get a slider such as the Hammer K3.

[@JoeBrinkman66]

I almost went with a Fusion a couple years ago, but my wife vetoed my choice and said that the cost difference was pretty cheap insurance. In a world without SawStop, I would own the Fusion, but I live in a world where I can have safety as well as great quality.

[@keithblackwood1326]

Great for you. However not everybody is in your world. If you can afford it great!

[@DeepWaterCulture]

Your wife makes decisions for you? yikes.

[@miteytuff1]

I really appreciate the honesty of your video. I was taught not to fear the machine but to respect it.

[@davidroe4121]

I was so stoked to see this video pop up. I am dreaming of getting a cabinet saw, and Laguna and Harvey are top of my list. I get to use a 3hp sawstop at work and it truly is an awesome saw, but I just can’t pony up for my garage shop. “Keep your fingers away from the spinny bits” is still the best safety feature I have. Very much looking forward to your eventual review of this saw. Your past reviews are honest and straightforward, and I do respect your opinion and your approach to brand partnerships.

[@frittswoodworking295]

I literally spit my coffee out when you said you'd have to change the blade, brake and your shorts...well done. I now have a new table saw to add to my want list!

[@harveymanfrantinsingin7373]

Literally?! ..you have a sense of humor made for laugh track sitcoms.

[@paulbabcock9606]

All about priorities. If you had not gotten the red tools on the wall and the epoxy floor you could have put that money toward a sawstop which as you said is a great saw even when not consider thesafety features.

[@bob71014]

But now he can have all three

[@steveh8724]

@@bob71014 Except the added safety feature.

[@jacklynn8565]

Great video Travis, straight forward and well done as always. I love the line, "and probably your shorts" ........ classic!

[@jimknowles5483]

Hey nice review. Old wood guy lots of different saws.... On my PM 2000, blade tilts to the left...great! On my Unisaw, blade tilts to the right....great! It's great to have the luxury of quality saws where you can use which ever cut is better for your project...! The powematic has built in wheels....but my shop is big so I never move it. I actually tie the two saws together side by side with one 50"(to right of blade ) fence. So PM 2000 on the left with ATB crosscut and rip blade on the right. Only time I change a blade is for melamine. All with one fence. Curser calibration is only for the left saw, Powermatic. Tape measure, steel rule for the unisaw on the right. If it's still not clear? The Powermatic and unisaw are bolted together , side by side so there is a continuous cast iron deck for one 50" inch fence shared by 2 saws....just raised the unisaw up about 1/2" to level the heights of the cast iron tops. A few years back, a shop owner on the Wood Web was commenting about how his SawStop had kicked falsely about 24 times and once for a real finger....! Each time a one hundred dollar blade and the price of a new cartridge....! I am happy with my srandard saws......but am a big believer in true personal safety. And my specialty was curved shaper work before CNC. More money.....still no carbide kiss and fingers add up to 10.....! Two more things I am not fan or is forced legislation to use Saw Stop. The other is lawsuits....!! Today if you have employees......you might need a SawStop......I know a injury attorney in Las Vegas who told me he has never lost a case.....! Talk about it rigged systeam.....this why your every kind of insurance is sky high. I don't really know(I make sawdust for a living) ...I think he just knows which cases provide him with the evidence to be in a never lose position. Has enough work to discard all the weak cases. So I am with you .....no sawstop. The quality of.my saws are great. PM weights 700 lbs, bolted to the unisaw....they don't move, plenty of power.....spoiled, and love it! I have used Martin's and Altendorfs , both German and Swiss Striebig, these are all incredible saws. ....happy I don't need them or their cost....! My recommendation....patience, used equipment is all over the place...but quality is scooped up quickly. You can always advertise specifically....as a buyer. Be a creative hunter! So great article....but your big mistake was not getting the 50" fence and big motor. That could have been your lifetime saw!! You want to buy quality that will out live you! With features you won't regret! One project, one, could have paid the difference ...... So when I was in high school, I wanted a drift boat (banana shaped for running rapids and rocks ) to chase steelhead with a fly rod in Oregons rivers. Could not afford one....built 2 in high school wood shop, sold the one....it paid for mine......! There are always many ways.... So make some money....sell your saw....post a new video talking about how you "new" saw has horse power that doesn't quit.... and really the fence you want when cutting 4x8 sheets....! I promise, you will love-it-no-regrets.....!! just jim

[@thesplinteredfinger]

Sounds great! But I think it was you that convinced me to get my Delta saw and now that I have it and love it you do this video. That’s fine it will be on my bucket list when I decide to upgrade. Can’t wait for the full review.

[@williamfitzgerald3485]

Congrats on the new saw. Just went through this process myself but went with the Grizzly 3hp 1023. Had the same thoughts about the Sawstop and at the end of the day, I knew I wanted 3HP 220v and for the price Sawstop was out. Happy building

[@johnandrebeccamalcolm3895]

1023 in my shop too. Love it and the Incra TSLS-32 fence system

[@adamb2619]

I've bought two older Delta Unisaws and outfitted pretty much my whole shop with vintage Delta tools with about the same price of a Sawstop. That said, I will still love to get a Sawstop some day.

[@SuperDave44Mag]

I’ve got a Powermatic...and that’s all I’ll ever have or need.

[@JoelLaviolette]

I bought the Sawstop PCS several years ago, loved it and used it a ton. I had to sell it when I closed my shop and I made back almost what I paid new for it. So basically I paid a few hundred bucks to use the saw for several years and have the security of the safety feature. When I get a shop again I will buy another Sawstop without question.

[@cisco1dog]

Resale is important. Just like safety features on a car, they do increase the value.

[@tylergriffin62]

I bought this exact same saw over Labor Day weekend 2020 (on sale too) and I absolutely love it so far. It’s super accurate and it was easy to set up. I was thrilled to see that you bought the same one.

[@tykomyk]

Great video. You hit all the points I came to when I also chose the F2 a year ago. The saw has been great but that's me comparing to Dewalt contractor saw. Worlds of difference.

[@allenriff9242]

i have a Delta like the you had, had it 7 yrs, still works great, but went for the SS which did save my thumb, the Delta now has a big crosscut sled on it. I have to say the Laguna looks like a really well built saw.

[@HomesteadDIY]

I know it’s an old issue at this point, but I will never get over SawStop trying to bludgeon the industry into using its safety features. They almost single-handedly did away with affordable saws for entry level woodworkers and homeowners and that’s unforgivable. That’s my reason for not ever buying a SawStop.

[@mplussant]

...you are the most believable influence I’ve yet encountered on “the tube”...Laguna made the right choice...

[@ThePhilGrimm]

I came for information and entertainment, not influencing!

[@mplussant]

@@ThePhilGrimm ...so don’t be influenced...nobody cares...

[@fiveoboy01]

LOL, they PAID him to make this BS “review”

[@steveh8724]

It was an OK video. The OP cops to the deal he got. But the "review" wasn't really a review, he didn't even turn the saw on. It was a warmed over infomercial. If you want to learn a little about the Laguna Fusion, mission accomplished. If you were looking for a review based on significant experience with the saw, this wasn't it. Maybe that will come later. If you wanted point0-by-point comparisons with some other saws, nope, none of that. Also I found it amusing that while describing safe use without SawStop technology, he showed a still image of a user of a contractor's style saw. I wonder if he knows that that saw featured its own blade stop/retract technology?

[@mplussant]

@@steveh8724 ...everything this guy has presented in the way of tools, procedures, even his finances re utube have been open, unbiased and spot-on...he does it in a way that is entertaining and informational...he qualifies everything and asks you to trust nothing but to make your own judgements...even his saw update promises a future review...if it comes to trust and believability, I choose him...not YOU...

[@TheHandystanley]

First off - outstanding video. As a 66 year old in the process of building out my shop - if I was your age I too would look strongly consider the Laguna. However, I am noticing that my reaction time is not as great as it once was just a few years ago. So as the saying goes, "It depends." After watching the video my wife asked me what saw I would get and I told her that due to these issues of being older - I would still probably get the SawStop...but gee, you make some good and valid arguments as well. Thank you.

[@kentlovelace4108]

I was eyeing a Grizzly to replace my 1953 Craftsman cabinet saw but after seeing this I think I’m changing my mind. Thanks for getting this product out there. Can’t wait to see you do a product review. Great job! 👍🏿👍🏿

[@donfrost1856]

I have a Contractors SawStop that I have had for over 4 years.....I did not buy it because it would make me a better woodworker....but because of the safety feature..... I am retired...getting older, and for the cost figured that the safety feature was important. I did not need all the features that a cabinet saw has....

[@Taylexwow]

I understand the safety feature......but I shouldn't have to pay 2x the saw for 1 feature that if it ever engages is going to cost easily $150 if it ever engages (replacement cartridge and blade because the blade is unusable after. Its very Apple like pricing.....

[@chadhowell1328]

@@Taylexwow much cheaper than a finger amputation or surgery. It only takes one time to learn that lesson.

[@Taylexwow]

@@chadhowell1328 it also doesn't take a genius to work safely either

[@chadhowell1328]

@@Taylexwow said every person ever. Shit happens, most understand that

[@atomictyler]

@@Taylexwow Doesn't take a genius to not get in an accident...but then again, they're called accidents. Unless you're perfect, and if so, I'm very jealous.

[@grbggaming6885]

I knew all the comments would come. This video is about why HE chose the Laguna over the SawStop. Obviously price is a major point. Your fingers can be priceless but that still doesn't mean you have the money for a SawStop. If you have safety at the front of your mind every time you approach the saw you won't have an issue. He presents many good reasons for choosing this saw over the other one. There's many old woodworkers out there with all their appendages. Don't go into debt because you think you might forget to practice safety one day. Buy what you can afford and learn how to use it properly. If it's a SawStop, great. If not, approach the table saw every day like it's a dangerous tool, which it is, and you'll be fine.

[@SQRL83]

I have a fusion 2 and love it. Accuracy, smoothness, quietness are all great. Dust collection is quite good as well. Upgraded it to the optional 52in rails as well ! Will probably add in a folding out feed table somehow in the future but still love the saw. Just wish Australian prices weren’t so much more. You guys get the F2 for $1300 I think, over in aus I paid $2600 including that rail extensions. Still worth it tho. And like video, I was choosing between Laguna and Sawstop.

[@BungalowBill58]

I agree with the pricing, Australia gets the raw deal with the cost of machinery and software. I am getting rid of my Triton and considering between the Laguna and Sawstop.

[@oliverreedslovechild]

Present price for a Fusion 2 on the US Laguna site is $1799 ( about AU $2,520. ). I don't know if there's any sales taxes etc. on top of that. In the UK the Fusion 2 is priced at £2,599 inc 20% VAT! The 52" extensions are another £249 inc VAT on top.Their US site doesn't list the 52" rail extensions, but they list Fusion 3 52" @ $400 more than the standard Fusion 3.

[@rolandellis5309]

@@BungalowBill58 I did exactly that! Except, I was lucky enough to have found a near new second hand Laguna. The guys at Carbatec were very helpful in sourcing a few upgrades I required. The new dust hood/blade guard works heaps better when you cover the exposed holes with clear vinyl. I absolutely love my Laguna Fusion Table Saw. Know anyone in Canberra who wants a Triton?

[@scottboettcher1344]

A great review and it earned a subscription, even if I'm 2 years late to the party. I bought a "Limited Edition" Delta Contractor's saw in '92, and it included cast-iron wings, mobile base, and a Beisemeyer fence as standard. I've jerry-rigged pretty decent dust collection, and while I can't use 220v I don't buy much 12/4 oak anymore as my age approaches room temperature. I've only had one TS accident in nearly 5 decades, and it was early on when I was working construction (I ended up a reliability/risk engineer just like you), the guard/riving knife were missing. Kickback from an 8' 2x4 from a 36"-tall TS, with a 38" inseam, was painful but I survived. I'm still fairly scared of the machine and hope to not make any stupid mistakes these last few years. Great comparison!

[@chronomancer6665]

I was set on the F2. Price and features are pretty great, but the lead time was 5 months. Just ordered an F3 because I didn't want to wait. Super excited.

[@roadbossgarage7599]

I’m an engineer as well. Spent immense amount of time and training on risk ranking as well as risk management. I worked at a large underground coal mine. Pretty much everything will kill you. But you use risk management to bring down the severity of an incident. Ie understand contributing factors. I’ve used a table saw for about 35 of my 41 years on earth. My father and grandfather before me as well. Between the three of us we still have 30 digits. I learned on saw with no riving knife, no splitter, no guard, - just a spinning blade. I was taught to look at the grain, how to position your fingers, now and where and what type of push sticks to use. How to use the fence. What type of blade. Where to stand. I learned on a Unisaw, I now own a Unisaw. Doing that reduces kickback and potentially running your finger into the blade. The other factor is you use a tablesaw for the majority of your wood working projects, do you have a high probability of injury on it solely because your exposure time is higher - hence your more likely to be injured on a table but not because it’s more unsafe. Having a good quality tool, that runs and operates correctly with the correct and sharp blade is most important in my opinion. Second to had is training and experience. I also think sawstops give woodworkers bad habits. Albeit I will say it’s amazing technology and it’s saved many fingers - I can and won’t take that away from it.

[@codythompson9552]

I can totally see where your coming from on this one, but I think you're underestimating how hard the amount of training you have is to come by. I am a first generation "woodworker" of about 1 year. I've watched a LOT of youtube videos about table saw safety, but I don't think it's possible to reach your level of operating safety/knowledge in my lifetime. >I was taught to look at the grain, how to position your fingers, now and where and what type of push sticks to use. How to use the fence. What type of blade. Where to stand. This is all stuff that has basics that can be "taught" via training video (or youtube), but in reality is a minefield of nuances that you, and other masters of their craft, have achieved subconsciously by watching and being guided by your grandfather and father. I think it is SOOOOO COOOL that you have this level skill, but it is not something I will every have access to.

[@codythompson9552]

Having said that: I am currently using a piece of junk jobsite saw that I'm sure is much less safe than this beautiful Laguna.

[@steveh8724]

But you have failed to point out the importance of the concept of "accidents." Surely you realize that the experiences of 3 generations of your family, or my own are just examples of anecdotal information. Sure, one considers that, but to truly judge risk, you have to look across a population. So consider the population of "serious woodworkers", for example those that read and contribute to Fine Woodworking as a possible example. We've all read countless anecdotes of people who were not as "lucky" as you and your elders. Some of them may have done something intrinsically unsafe due to lack of knowledge or experience. But most accounts I recall are from people who, right up until the moment they were injured, had the same "experience" to report as you do. Careful, no accidents, come from a family of careful accident free woodworkers. And then, in an instant, their lives were changed--forever. Thank goodness severe woodworking injuries from table saws are not common. But they do happen. And I have to ask, just what "bad habits" do you think SawStop usage causes among its users? I find this assertion troubling because you offer no rationale or support for this contention.like

[@Volksaholic]

@@steveh8724 I agree.... the "bad habits" claim stuck out like an amputated thumb when I read that (pardon the twisted cliche). I'm curious what bad habits are encouraged by using a Sawstop. It's expensive enough if you trigger the Sawstop brake that you're probably not going to casually do that more than once any more than you'd casually lop off a second finger. Does having a modern saw with a decent riving knife/splitter, blade guard, and dust collection also give woodworkers bad habits that a "spinning blade" would not? Not to trivialize bad habits... I've had to take one of my guys to the hospital to be evaluated for broken ribs due to a careless kickback, and I play in a band with a cabinet making fiddler who is missing about half of a finger on his left hand. The fact is we're human... we get tired, we get distracted, we get overly casual and comfortable with what we're doing. We're working with a material that is not homogeneous. I taught my son the importance of being mindful on the machines, of using pushsticks, where to stand, and to not distract an operator mid-cut or allow himself to be distracted mid-cut... but accidents are those things that defy all that training and effort. I don't see modern saw safety as any different than seat belts, padded dashboards, and crumple zones in modern automobiles... hopefully they don't result in "bad habits" because we don't have to fear a scull fracture on the steel dash of a '55 Chevy if we drive into a tree.

[@2chipped]

I totally agree,2 guys have set off our cabinet shop sawstop 7 times in 3 years. $90 cartridge and $150 blade each time. My first boss made sure I understood the shop wasn't a place for pranks etc. I wouldn't buy a ss for myself.

[@thomasalison6188]

Looking forward to your comprehensive review on the table saw!

[@TheAverageCraftsman]

I've watched countless KZbin woodworking videos and I don't remember one that claimed you need a SawStop to be considered a serious woodworker. Regardless, Laguna makes good stuff. I have the 18BX and a Supermax drum sander and they are great.

[@necrojoe]

It goes both ways. It's sort of seen a sign that you've "made it" when you earn a free/discounted SS (not sure if they are doing it quite as much as they used to). And also, whenever a someone uploads a video featuring their new saw and it isn't a SS, the comments sections are FULL of armchair quarterbacks saying how they made a mistake by not getting a SS.

[@bowlchamps37]

Basically the only reason I´d recommend a sawstop (with the safety feature) is if you are not a serious woodworker. Otherwise, I´d always take superior machines for the same price (or price range).

[@JuanRodriguez-ns5xd]

Thank you for the video. I have watched some other of your videos and you seem to always give an objective opinion and I appreciate that and your honesty in reviewing products. Regarding Laguna: They spend thousands of dollars in advertising but their customer service seriously lacks. I used to receive sale notifications for their tools and tried contacting them about purchasing a laser, they never responded. I tried contacting them when I was considering purchasing a band saw, they never responded. Then I read through the forums that if something goes wrong with their products that you own, good luck getting help from their customers service. So, I was glad I never purchased any of their tools. They also offer sales, but then they take the sales savings with their ridiculous shipping charges!

[@outlet6989]

Sounds like me talking to my wife.

[@gefaber482]

Thanks for this video. I appreciate your honesty. As a matter of fact, I did some research also and will be purchasing my F2 very soon. Currently, the ship date is May 25. Geesh! Seems like forever!!

[@kurtfattig9370]

I'm eager to see how the Laguna behaves for you. I like the design. I'm still in the process of deciding on a cabinet grade table saw. I'm glad to find someone on KZbin showing them off.

[@francoisbouvier7861]

Be careful with which model of Laguna. I purchased the cabinet saw with the dovetail trunion. Worked great but had issues with dust clogging the height adjustment. Since sold and went to a Canadian General.

[@johnreplinger4627]

I own a Saw Stop! I successfully and safely used an old Unisaw for years, but I became increasingly nervous about using it when I knew there was something safer. The price is $1500 more than the Laguna, but you are going to use the saw for years. By the time you retire from woodworking, your additional cost will be pennies per hour.

[@charleselkins4546]

So true. My advice is use your circular saw and a $50 straight edge for a year or two more and save enough to buy the Sawstop.

[@ifollowjesus1667]

@@charleselkins4546 that could get tedious but it’s totally doable.

[@knobdy]

I love that you used a picture of a Bosch REAXX tablesaw to make the point that you don't need Sawstops safety features. It's literally the only other Saw that had a safety feature comparable and Sawstop went after them.

[@chillyspoon]

+1 SawStop: "no one else is allowed to be safe except us", so we'll sue the crap out of anyone else who tries to make them safer.

[@necrojoe]

@@chillyspoon It's much more complicated than that. Or more simple. SawStop initially offered their invention to saw manufacturers, to license the SawStop tech for use in their machines. Think something like "The New PowerMatic PM1001, with SawStop technology". Nobody took them up on it, so to bring the tech to market, they started their own saw-manufacturing company and put out their own saws, with HUGE investments to get everything going. Yes, the Bosch uses a different actuation mechanism (a superior one, IMO), but the underlying principal of *how* it works is patent-protected IP, and the purpose of that temporary protection is so that inventors are incentivized to put their products out there, and have the protections to try to get a return on the investment. Without that protection, someone else knocks off their tech without having to do nearly as much R&D, maybe utilizes their existing production infrastructure to under-cut SawStop, and SawStop goes bust.

[@cisco1dog]

True, the owner of the SawStop patents, didn’t want to make saws, he wanted to license it to other saw manufacturers. They didn’t seem to think our safety was worth 8%, which is what he wanted. So, he got investors together and started SawStop. They own the patent and should reap the benefits of it.

[@mlbreel]

Your presentation was really entertaining and the is appreciated. Your deal with Laguna will definitely benefit them as I’ll be buying one (if not more) of their saws.

[@WoodcraftBySuman]

I respect the decision. But to say people are doing fine with regular saws is not exactly true. We are still at around 80-90k ER visits due to table saw injury per year. That’s not nothing. I also wouldn’t compare the laguna with a SawStop, delta unisaw, jet, or powermatic. They’re in a league of their own with better build quality. In that category, the SawStop is similarly priced. You shouldn’t have to justify your choices tbh. You bought the laguna Bc it made the most sense for you. Just like how I bought the SawStop bc it made sense for my situations. It’s all good. Cheers!

[@edhazlewood124]

Good video. Being a retired engineer, I have also done a lot of failure mode analysis. I am looking at replacing my old table saw, one without even a riving knife. At 30 to 50 years old, I could weigh the risk and be careful even when I knew a riving knife would be so much safer. Pushing 70, my hand strength and reflexes are not what they used to be 20 years ago. I may be able to work for another 10 years. My father in law was still turning and enjoying projects into his 90's. So for me, I will go the extra bucks and buy the sawstop. My risk category is higher than it used to be and much higher than yours I would guess. My last table saw amortized over its life cost me less than $20 dollars a year. A saw stop will likely cost $250 per year for the time I use it. I am in a position to afford that. Very good video.

[@BradJonesVideo]

I just love the look of all Laguna's stuff...

[@bryanbatts]

I agree, their 2 stage dust collector is incredible looking.

[@MarkSWilliams27]

I do too. The Laguna is very nice looking. The video mentioned Grizzly, which are pretty good saws from what I could tell by looking at them in the old Muncy, PA showroom (Miss that! Big mistake, Grizzly.) That said, their goofy, way too large grizzly bear badges and lack of a consistent paint scheme is off-putting. They should revamp their logo into something more stylistic. A stylized "G" or a stylized bear. And it doesn't have to be so huge (Like RAM trucks are for instance. Way too large. Are they trying to be "manly"? The ram reminds me of fallopian tubes. So, just how macho is that?) Hire an art/design student, Grizzly! There are plenty that need work and money! If you look at a Powermatic, you know it's a Powermatic. Same with Laguna. Ha. I totally agree with him about the overpriced SawStop. And the other posters about the overpriced Woodpeckers stuff. Buy Starrett squares.

[@emmgeevideo]

I was only generally aware of the SawStop line until I got back into woodworking in a big way over the last several months. I have a Bosch job-site table saw that has worked well over the last 20 years for DIY house projects over the last 20 years. But now I’m aspiring to do cabinet-making and even furniture. Just this weekend my wife saw me using the saw without the guard and got freaked out. It got me to thinking… So I started doing SawStop research on the web and KZbin and ran into this video. I don’t have 12 paragraphs for you but I’ll say this: I don’t want to have an accident. but if I do, I like the protection this offers. I wear my seatbelt all the time and never had to use it. But I’m glad my car has one and I will always use it. This feels like a seatbelt for my table saw and my revived woodworking hobby. I can afford it and expect it will last as long as I use it. Seems cheap to me.

[@foddermott9532]

Just bought the newer T2 Delta model for the cast iron top after fussing for the last time with an old Hitachi cast aluminum job-site with a wonky small t-track. The Delta was nuts-on out of the box: fence, bevel, even the miter. Sounds like Delta improved the dust collection on the T2 from the model you had. I replaced one of the pressed steel wings with a cast iron router table and router lift from MCLS. So came at a similar price point plus a hot dog or two as your Laguna, but without the overhead dust collector and 37 in rip (Delta only 30) and with a pretty decent router set-up. So, if $599 looks better than $1,399 for some of your viewers, the Delta is a great alternative (and no, I don't work for Delta and don't particularly like Lowes.) I do like your vids muchly. Thanks! Keep 'em comin'. OH-!

[@stevexbishop]

Travis, welcome to Ohio. Thanks for doing the Table Saw overview with the Laguna Fusion, its just what I needed to help me justify the spend with SawStop. I’m not doing it! Will do a bit more research on Laguna but you have definitely given me some direction and buying confidence. Many thanks Steve

[@nunyabizness6734]

Exact same reasons I went with a Harvey Alpha. The only terms I was able to come to with Harvey was I can send them any questions via email and they will completely ignore them.

[@JDDupuy]

Nice saw!

[@thomasstone3513]

That sucks. I have been looking at the Harvey pretty seriously. Its hard to find any info on them... I like what I see but would like to see more than a photograph or computer generated adverts...

[@nunyabizness6734]

@@thomasstone3513 Yeah, it's a bit of a let down at this price point. If I had to do it over again I'd probably go with Delta or Powermatic... or save another couple years and go with a Felder.

[@thomasstone3513]

@@nunyabizness6734 thanks for the info... more thinking to do, i guess...

[@George32295]

When I bought my table saw the store was really pushing sawstop. They tried to make me feel stupid because I wanted a powermatic. I’m so happy with my decision to stick to “my” choice.

[@Not3xactly]

Yes, lots of woodworkers on KZbin have saw stops, but Ive never heard anyone say or been felt to believe that you need to have one to be a serious woodworker. I think that's in your head or just good video content. Nevertheless the Laguna certainly has an interesting value proposition given its price point.

[@ass2mouthallday]

He’s getting it mixed up. You don’t need a sawstop but even seasoned woodworkers acknowledge anything can happen and it’s easier to spend the extra cash and not have a small penis for a finger for the rest of their life. He’s just trying to make it look like he didn’t want a sawstop but in actuality he asked Laguna for a free saw and he got it.

[@derekgilbert1752]

2 saw stops at the shop I work in. 3 times I can recall the brakes being tripped. Not 1 person touched a blade. 2 missed staples in the board and 1 reflective plexi cut without the disable function.

[@marylines4546]

I'm so glad I found your video. I was debating between SawStop or a Jet in December, but couldn't bring myself to fork out $3K plus. I think this is just what I needed to see!!

[@tommycristaldi9037]

I’d love to see the accuracy and dust collection next. I’m largely interested

[@purplepill2024]

You'd need a dust collection with the correct CFM, but here's one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKPboKWqh5eCgck

[@mikegrant8031]

same

[@gmark8927]

I've been a hobbyist woodworker for 36 years. In that time, I've managed to cut two different fingers on my tablesaw. I'm lucky to still have all my fingers. When I decided to build all the cabinets for a new house 8 years ago, I told my wife I wanted a SawSop. She was 100% in favor. I bought the PCS model with the 52" fence and mobile base. Two years ago I added a Wixey digital readout to the fence. This saw is a dream to use! It's incredibly accurate, has ample power and, best of all, I have the security of knowing that when (not if) I next touch the moving blade, I will likely get nothing more than a scratch. The poster preemptively comments about the likelihood that others who have SawStop will say, "But what about your fingers? Aren't those worth saving?" He apparently doesn't think the added costs for the SawStop are justified. For me, budget constraints weren't a major issue. I bought the machine for the added safety features and would do it again without hesitation.

[@MAGAMAN]

I have been using a table saw just as long and I have never cut myself, unless you count that time I hit the sharp edge of the aluminum fence. Maybe you should be more careful when you use a saw. If your fingers are close enough to the blade to get cut by it, you are an idiot and a sawstop won't fix stupid.

[@williamwinter2638]

I'm glad that you did this video. I am in the market for a cabinet saw and have been on the fence between a Powermatic and a used Delta. I have given away several contractor saws that just don't do the job. I look forward to how the saw performs for you.

[@jusfine]

I smiled when you talked about the hi/lo fence, my 35 year old Unisaw has that fence as well and it is extremely useful! Enjoyed your opinion and subscribed. Thanks

[@mphorton40]

I would agree with you on one thing, SawStop is an investment, but an investment well worth it. A SawStop quality and craftsmanship is a premium you are paying for, but also one that will last you 20-30+ yrs of service. You amortize the cost out that long, combined with the safety, the price isn’t really that much more expensive. I have also never heard a woodworker claim you are only a “real” one if you have a SawStop. I only ever hear about the appreciation for the well engineered and built tool, and how that translates into the woodworking they are doing. My suggestion for folks who are struggling with the SawStop price, look for a used one. Trouble is, there are almost never used ones available because people don’t let them go... they keep them forever. Hence my first point on the longterm investment you are making and why the cost isn’t bad if you look at it that way.

[@billystray7007]

I've had a 1995 great white edition unisaw since it was new, under professional use its still humming along ...

[@mphorton40]

@@billystray7007 I am not saying that their isn’t quality saws under other brands that don’t last. I am just making the point that when you look at investing in tools, the price needs to be looked at as one piece of the evaluation, not the only one. The video appears to just be making an argument that a saw stop isn’t worth it because of the price. I am simply making the argument that when you look at the period of time you will own it, combined with the unmatched safety and high level of quality, it isn’t a bad price over the lifetime of the tool.

[@billystray7007]

@@mphorton40 👌

[@TheCentralflorida]

He laid out a very detailed map of his logical evaluation. In order to try to make your point you seem to avoid that part so you can render credibility to your comments and make his thoughts disingenuous. Minimizing his detailed video only hurts your attempt to make a point.

[@bowlchamps37]

I disagree. The sawstop is not bad but if you compare it to other table saws in this price region, especially European-made, then the sawstop really sucks. Tolerance, accuracy, power is laughable for that price. It´s an expensive hobby machine.

[@bryanpratt2060]

I just picked up the F2 and like you went from a delta contractor to the F2. Got to say so far it is a very good saw. The only complaint would be the dust collection is so-so and when you pull the over arm collector off there is no real way to store it. But other than that it’s a pretty good saw!

[@ryandeleon5156]

I hadn't heard of them but that's actually a price I could stomach. I'm very excited to see how things pan out!

[@johne4879]

I have had one for 7 years now and love it. Works great for me

[@bobbystanley8580]

Their bandsaws are legendary!!!

[@DARTHPLATITUDE]

I got that same saw.... great machine, a pleasure to use, the dust collection isn’t the best but it’s pretty good, the insert flexes allot, making the board stick at the end of it, a zero clearance insert takes care of that, the fence is pretty awesome, but it racks a bit , so you have to fidget with it to get the precise. But once you get used to it, it’s easy. But honestly, it’s a great machine and I use it daily, I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend this machine to anyone looking for a great saw at an awesome obtainable price. And when you walk in your shop.... it just looks pretty 😍

[@coreyg7255]

I will be buying the Fusion F2 in the next few weeks. I had already made the calculated decision, your video just helped me realize it was the right one.

[@jaywuchner9342]

As a retired airline pilot I am fully aware or managing risk. And after discussing it with my best friend ( my wife) we agreed that the extra dollars for the SawStop was indeed worth the investment. We've all be in the position of shoulda, woulda, could, call it a brand cult or whatever I still love my SawStop.

[@NWGR]

Same situation I'm in. My wife and I came to the same conclusion. It was her influence more than anything else that pushed my towards the sawstop.

[@steveh8724]

Pilots and Medicos tend to come to the same conclusion: SawStop. Is it because they can afford to? Well that's part of it. Is it because their wives/husbands said to? That's part of it, too. Is it because they understand risk/benefit and Murphy's Law better than most? Definitely.

[@andrewcastille7781]

Sawstop's technology lower's a shops insurance rate considerably. Laguna makes great stuff. I would buy this or an old unisaw. Alot of the KZbin guys did get the SawStop for free.....so that's nice.

[@draggboy]

The Unisaw is/was a great saw... The Sawstop Professional is the modern Unisaw... Laguna doesn't make a saw that is anywhere near on par with either of them.

[@SaultiBalldeip]

I LOVE my 1968 Rockwell Unisaw.

[@BadAppleWoodwerx]

"I just don't like being told what to think....." I felt that in my soul man! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ron0126]

I’m on board ... using the Sawstop fan boiz logic, they could charge $25,000 per saw because “what’s your finger worth?”

[@fiveoboy01]

And yet Laguna paid him, then told him what to say and he did it like a good boy. LOLOL.

[@steveh8724]

@@ron0126 Hey, it's called capitalism, perhaps you've heard of it? SawStop charges a premium for their technology. If you don't want it or can't afford it, then get whatever you want! And either way, be careful. Most terrible blade-hand injuries happen to "experienced woodworkers" who hadn't ever had a single significant hand injury from woodworking--right up to the very moment it all went horribly wrong. I'm sure you've read dozens of accounts of how things suddenly went south. Not telling anyone what to conclude, just encouraging people to think critically. Andsingle finger, so factor that in to your thinking.

[@ass2mouthallday]

@@steveh8724 Pretty much nailed it.

[@dtester]

@@ron0126 my fingers are worth a lot to me to be honest :D

[@paulbatarseh7476]

Great video. Love the idea of saving my digits with a Saw Stop. DO NOT love the price! You have given me a viable alternative to think about. Thank you!

[@kahoycrafts]

Congrats on the new table saw! I came very close to buying the Laguna Fusion but decided to go with a Delta since I'm still learning, it will be great to see a full review from someone I trust. 👍

[@KdvCoilBuilder]

I’ve got the same model and it’s amazing. I also looked into Saw Stop and couldn’t get past the price.

[@kevinsteffanus1435]

How is the dust collection?

[@singerap]

Saw stops are great saws. We use them at the Community College where I work as a TA in the wood working program. Despite the best efforts of our students to destroy them they have held up for years. The only thing that seems to go out on them is the power switch. However, I agree with you about the value proposition. I personally use a Knapp Table saw shaper combination machine. With the riving knife and blade guard installed I feel very safe using this machine. Actually more safe that the the saws at the school because the do not have the blade guard's installed so I don't have the same visual reference as to where the blade actually is. While amputations do happen, I have been told a far more common injury is kick back. The riving knife should prevent that from being an issue on any saw. After working and attending classes at the school for 20 years, I know of only one accident with the table saw. That was a kickback. That with thousands of students through the program, most of whom are just learning. Now, if you want to see the blood flow, just break out a nice new set of chisels.

[@WorkbenchWoodworking]

Awsome review! Can’t wait till the full review after you used it for a while

[@darylzeitner2966]

I just did the exact same thing and ended up purchasing the F2. So far I am loving it! I am very safety conscious and always felt the saw stop makes you safety complacent because too much trust is put into their safety feature. I don't ever plan on cutting my fingers and chose the quality and features of the Laguna F2.

[@JoshPSommers]

The notion that having a SawStop makes the user complacent is nothing more than mental gymnastics to justify the poor decision to save a few bucks by getting a tool that is infinitely less safe. This logic applies to dumb kids, and that's about it.

[@darylzeitner2966]

@Josh Sommers The rest of my tools are all Festool so "Saving" a few bucks is irrelevant. However, my actual career is working in an industry that is extremely high in dangerous work areas where in a blink of an eye, things can go very badly, very quickly. You considering Complacency as a childish mental excersize would get you injured very quickly out here. We are trained to do hazard assessments before every job on site to mitigate risk. I have taken that to heart in my home life as well. Which mean I am always fully aware of my dangers before I do anything in my shop! When I said I don't plan on cutting off my fingers I meant it because of my background and training. Don't ever underestimate Complacency, it's what cuts off fingers!!

[@Gbfaninnm]

I had exactly the same path that you took and ended up ordering a Laguna F2 back in January through Woodwerks in Ohio. Just got the good news today that it will be here next week. Thanks for confirming my research and feelings.

[@ritoluis4903]

Price point between laguna f2 and sawstop is like $900 give or take. My finger are worth more than that. Also I originally purchased a laguna but after delivery date being pushed back 3 times I canceled other and purchased a sawstop that was in stock.

[@SuperDave44Mag]

If your fingers are worth more than that then I suggest you keep them out of the damn blade. 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@ritoluis4903]

@@SuperDave44Mag wow such an ignorant comment. It's about the added safety not to be careless while working with your table saw.

[@SuperDave44Mag]

@@ritoluis4903 the ignorant comment would be yours. If you’re that clueless and clumsy around bladed tools maybe pottery is your better choice.

[@ritoluis4903]

@@SuperDave44Mag stfu sounds like your mad that you can't afford one.

[@charleselkins4546]

@@ritoluis4903 -- It doesn't do to waste your time arguing with someone who doesn't agree with you. He, like you seem to (and I do) believe that table saw accidents are not all that rare and could happen to anyone who uses a table saw long enough. Let Mr. Phillips believe what he wishes, it's his fingers and hand at risk. I fully agree with you. And, as some of the other commenters have pointed out, the cost difference between Sawstop and other non-flesh sensing saws is tiny and insignificant when you amortize this additional cost over the life of the saw.

[@wesandell]

Sawstop's initial patent runs out this fall, so hopefully we will get more players in the market soon with similar safety features. Though I'm sure they will try to do some legal shenanigans to try to extend it and keep their monopoly.

[@TheWarriorWorkshop]

Do you blame them? I don't think any of these companies are non-profits

[@Volksaholic]

I wouldn't blame them, considering how the industry rejected the premise that technology to prevent amputations was worthwhile (profits over safety) and then lobbied to reject the safety aspects of the Sawstop tech in congressional hearings. Sawstop wouldn't exist if 1) hand injuries and amputations weren't somewhat common with table saws and 2) the industry had seen the value and licensed the invention, since Gass had no intention of manufacturing saws originally. It seems reasonable that they'd want to protect their investment in their manufacturing and supply chain now that they're in the business of building and selling table saws. As I said in another post... I'm not a shill for Sawstop, they don't pay me to pitch their product, I don't own a Sawstop saw. I'm just some guy who knows people who have lopped off fingers or incurred other injuries due to table saw accidents. It's true that saw gaurds, riving knives, etc have made conventional saws safer than they were when I bought my Delta contractor's saw in the '80s, but I don't doubt most manufacturers would have deemed those improvements to be unprofitable if it weren't for European saws setting the standard and lawsuits and regulation forcing their hands.

[@biggorilla83]

Bosch already has a saw with similar technology available outside of the US, just need the patent to go away and it can. Come here.

[@DARTHPLATITUDE]

If the Bosch table saw is anything like their router table...... screw that...... suck it Bosch

[@wesandell]

@@DARTHPLATITUDE Bosch's Reaxx was essentially their 4100 jobsite saw, with the safety feature. However, the design was different from Sawstop's and actually saved the blade. It uses a gas cartridge and a piston that immediately drops the blade. Afterwards, all you need to do is replace the gas cartridge and get back to cutting. kzbin.info/www/bejne/apnId2OPZ5KEj8U

[@nkadams10]

I would give this a full two thumbs up if I could, but the tablesaw in high school took a chunk off my left thumb. So here's a thumb and a half! It is pretty fun pulling my 'thumb off' for kids. All joking aside, I am happy that my kids learned with a sawstop, but I run an old craftsman at home. It's all about respecting the penalty points of whatever tool you are using.

[@mlaboy43]

I agree with all three of your reasons for purchasing the Laguna. I look forward to seeing more videos about this saw. I think it’s now at the top of my wish list.

[@davidperfette1425]

I have a 20 year old Delta contractor saw with a unifence, which is basically the same as the fence you have. I love it. I use that high and low feature all the time depending on the thickness of what I'm ripping. I also love the ability to slide the fence. That's very handy when cutting long boards, or long and wide plywood as sliding it toward you makes it easier to keep what you're cutting up against the fence as you feed it into the blade. That fence is one of the reasons why I haven't bought something newer and better.

[@scottsharbonno1708]

I have been using a 3 horsepower cabinet style saw for more than 26 years without injury

[@halsaresnowpaw522]

Just cancelled my order for a Grizzly and placed one for an F2. Going to have to wait until April now. Did you get your saw directly from Laguna?

[@allent555]

Laguna doesn't sell direct to consumers, thats what they had told me in Dec 2020.

[@halsaresnowpaw522]

@@allent555 I saw on their site they don't sell to the general public. But I'm guessing/wondering if Laguna provided the unit or did he have to go through a reseller. If through a reseller, who was used

[@JDDupuy]

@@halsaresnowpaw522 Woodcraft

[@alsmith7316]

Grizzly's are fine saws. Arguably more stout and stable than the Fusion F2. Laguna is maybe more polished and has overhead dust collection. Though, you can get that with a Grizzly for the same price as the F2. Both good saws, just built a little bit differently under the hood.

[@steveh8724]

@@alsmith7316 I haven't seen a new Griz in years. But previously they looked great online and in catalogs. But when I drove to one of their warehouses to look. Well their fit and finish was disappointing. It's moderate quality chinese craftsmanship. And the quality control is not the best. But many get lucky and/or are quite satisfied. YMMV...

[@DmanRC]

Well, I think that came across as genuine. For the folks picking on you for the fancy stuff in the background...meh. I think it's all about choosing what works for you and I feel that is always what your channel has been about and why i enjoy it so much.

[@steveh8724]

Genuine what? It was an infomercial by someone who either got a free saw or a deep discount in exchange for his "unbiased review." And it wasn't a user review. It was basically an informercial mentioning Laguna's claims. Maybe later he'll do an actual hands-on review that provides some useful additional information, good or bad.

[@DmanRC]

You're not wrong. However, his channel is about projects and the tools he uses to get those projects done. He's not hiding the fact he got a deal. He is also open about the work/reward he's accomplished with the channel.

[@johnchleborad2700]

Travis, Thank you for the great review, it sold me on the Fusion F2. If you had a choice between the 220V and the 110V which would you go with?

[@ShopNation]

If you've got 220 I would go that route, it will just run so much smoother

[@alsmith7316]

@@ShopNation I agree, go 220. You can get the parts for much less than the Laguna kit. The same 240v magnetic switch can be found on Amazon and elsewhere for about $15, an the 240v 9amp thermal breaker is less than that if you go with a different brand. 9amp are hard to find, especially the same brand as Jet/Laguna use. Jet actually sells the parts separately, I think it was $18 plus shipping.

[@brettpeckinpaugh]

SawStop owner here. I chose because accidents happen and made the choice that worked for me. One of your comparisons didn't work in my case, the wheels and mobility on the Laguna would be a no go for me. I have a small shop and have to roll my saw off the wall to use it and would need add on mobility base of some sort still. Other than that, good for you. When I recommend things to people I always remind them to make their own decision and not buy just because it worked for me.

[@jesseklicka7330]

Hey Travis, love your channel and content. I really like the laguna tools and I'm actually a little disappointed that i didn't look into their table saws before i got my Sawstop. However, as someone who almost lost two fingers to a table saw injury before buying my Sawstop and having paid over $7000 in hospital bills out of my own pocket, not to mention I'm still recovering a year later, the extra cost of my Sawstop over a laguna is absolutely worth it. Curious to hear your thoughts on the safety aspects of the saws, since i think the features are relatively similar (the laguna fence is very cool tho). I think you're paying for the safety feature with the Sawstop

[@daveortwine2641]

Yeah I've talked to guys who've lost their fingers and hands mangled to table saw injuries and they said they would have gladly paid the price of a sawstop and had a functional hand/fingers. I haven't run into one person who has said something different.

[@myk5486]

Maybe more discussion on assembly and dialing it in. Sawstops r know for easier building and dialing in everything.

[@guitfidle]

My wife does workers comp insurance, so I hear horror stories. Plus, I play guitar, so... Honestly though, I had never heard of this Laguna before this video.

[@JeffreyFeyh-rb4xk]

As a beginner in the early 2000s. I got by with a 99 dollar table saw from Lowe's. And made a few shelfs and cabinets. At some point after that one stoped working. I got a Ryobi. While the rip fence itself is ok. The only thing that sucks about Ryobi is the miter slot as it's sloppy and you never get a perfect cut. I been wanting to upgrade to a cabinet saw myself as the knowledge and experience I have now, with cheap saws. If I had a good cabinet saw that cut 0 at 0 all the time. I'd be making some pretty sweet projects. I'm going to the woodworking store tomorrow and see what's in stock. The very first project I remember making successfully was a rocking horse in middle school which was around 30 years ago. I've been wanting to make another. My issue with woodworking as of lately is price of lumber. Thanks for sharing the video. Continue doing what you Love to do and creating masterpieces. God Bless.

[@davidlevally4141]

Have a fusion 1 and love how it works, accurate quiet and easy to operate. I have had this one year.

[@webcrawler3332]

You think like I do, analyze everything especially when it comes to spending money. Thank you for your insight on this saw, it looks cool!

[@steveh8724]

And then make a deal to get it cheap or free in exchange for your "honest, unbiased opinion."