Shoptalk #31 - November 2023

00:00:07 - Blabla
00:00:18 - Deephole drilling on the FP1 with an old fixture
00:03:00 - Machine movement on a shoestring budget
00:06:10 - Bottle cart for oxygen/propane
00:17:54 - What happened to the LIP surface grinder?!
00:18:27 - NSK micromotor carrycase
00:22:41 - Low profile DTI holder followup
00:31:38 - The shop in chaos
00:32:57 - Motom drill sharpener - drill counter
00:34:27 - No more chaos!
00:35:54 - Blablabla
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[@joell439]

Thanks Stefan for the explanation about oiling the wood for successful tool storage. I had been hesitating in making custom storage items. Now I have more projects to start working on 😂

[@gary-simms]

It must be a metal machinist point of view? Coming from the wood working world, there are loads of machines and metal surfaces in a wood shop. Also loads of wood and wood chips!! You would think the place is rusting down to the floor by some people's concerns. haha. You simply clean up and the surfaces are oiled or waxed now and again. And there is ALWAYS fine saw dust on everything. I've found the moisture in the air to be much more of a concern regarding surface rust forming. That being said, I wouldn't leave a wood board on the machined cast iron surfaces over night. That is common practice though. Those are reference surfaces to be cared for. If I want to stack something up, put it on a table, or a rack.

[@ROBRENZ]

Very much enjoyed! ATB Robin

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Thank you Robin!

[@624Dudley]

Another interesting compilation, Stefan! I’m glad you don’t throw away these smaller bits & pieces. 👍

[@TomZelickman]

This was a fun mix of projects and ideas. I really liked the way this video flowed from topic to topic. Hope all is well! - TZ

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Thanks Tom! Yeah I am doing well, I hope you too - Saw your last videos :)

[@andrewdolinskiatcarpathian]

So disappointed you didn’t dial in the plywood. Standards are slipping 😂 Such an interesting “compilation” video. Please continue to make videos with such variety from time to time. Thank you for sharing. 👏👏👍😀

[@Paul-FrancisB]

Love the cardboard aided design, it looks like something i need for my soldering/hot air gun station 👏

[@felixar90]

If you love cardboard aided design you should watch Ron Covell.

[@Paul-FrancisB]

@@felixar90 yes he does good work I found him after his dustpan collaboration with This Old Tony, and also via Paul Brodie

[@felixar90]

@@Paul-FrancisB same

[@joell439]

Stefan, I really appreciate that you create these shop update videos. They’re full of great tips and a joy to watch.

[@crabmansteve6844]

Only Stefan would make a cardboard mock-up to tolerances that close. 😂 You could put calipers in there and it'd be dead on.

[@wwjjcc418]

I was waiting to hear the "pop" when it finally came out.

[@windrk_6754]

Make sure there is room for cooling air circulation for the power supply! Great video of a well organized shop!

[@myradavis2599]

I watched another YT machinist, who had a very interesting idea. He has a rail mounted to each side of long axis of shop ceiling. A light weight gantry with adjustable vertical pole holds camera and battery powered lighting system. No bumping or dancing around the tripod, camera's viewing angle can be behind operator or machine, vertical camera pole tucks into corner of shop when not needed. Really enjoy learning from your video presentations, thank you for your time and efforts.

[@mattmanyam]

Inheritance Machining?

[@paulbadger6336]

Well done 👍. I always enjoy and learn a lot watching your approach and execution of problem solving.

[@peterfitzpatrick7032]

A sacrificial strip with the centre of rotation hot-melted on to the wooden blocks would have been my thought... 🤔 The workshop is like a little piece of heaven, I could live in there... 🤗 😎👍☘️🍺

[@firstmkb]

You know you’re watching Stefan Gotteswinter when you notice the cardboard prototype carrier for the die grinder is a close sliding fit. Nicely done!

[@mueslitopf]

Danke, die Shoptalks sind mir immer die liebsten Videos!

[@outsidescrewball]

Enjoyed spending time with you….good discussions

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Thank you! Hope you are allright :)

[@timogross8191]

I always need to remember that the big hole in the center of the drill press table is not under the spindle, when using the rotation for positioning. 🙂

[@StefanGotteswinter]

you can make fun of me, once i have drilled into the table 🤣

[@jamjamamam4139]

Might recomend to make some ceiling system for mounting camera from a top, as it is all time in the way on the ground

[@StefanGotteswinter]

It would be neat, but I don't like fixed builds like that in a shop, i have a strong preference against those. But I have something in Cad for my camera problem :)

[@terrycannon570]

Thanks Stefan I really enjoyed it. You seem to be more relaxed than when you working at your day job. Its a pleasure to watch you create.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Thanks! Yes, I am finding my inner calm :)

[@johnb6763]

Thank you!! But now I need to go and clean my shop... Cheers

[@edwardhugus2772]

I have watched a ton of your videos over the years, and probably caught a few "Shoptalk" type videos also, but this episode was very enjoyable.(All of your videos are, but I guess I was just in the mood for a general talk video today.) Thank you for allowing us into your world. I cant wait to see what you build for the die grinder/sander.......My 1st thought would have been to use the clip they supply, then build another for the other handle.....but your box / case will have extra functionality with the storage.

[@davidsnyder2000]

Lots of education and knowledge watching these videos 👍 Way better than sitting in a classroom for hours on end.

[@ChazzC]

Some great tips, Stefan! I'm always glad to see you cleaning the shop at the end of the day - at least in that I can equal you (never be able to match your skills). Best regards, Charlie

[@adhawk5632]

That DTI holder looks incredible, youve nailed the machinist stocking stuffer, we all want to make ourselves one for Christmas. Thank you Stefan👍👌🇦🇺

[@trebushett2079]

Keep up the good work, Stefan. I do the same with my Sentinel #58 mill (Thiel 58 copy). The machine, is, in general, quite a bit larger than the Deckel FP1, but I still run out of room below the vertical head. In my case, I have a large fixture which attaches to the face where the table is usually attached. This fixture is a very heavy item which is bored to accept bushings for common diameters of flywheel main-shafts. I use the fixture as a way of guaranteeing the positional repeatability of precision bored or ground crank-pin holes, in motorcycle flywheels, etc.

[@GaryGuerin]

I’m glad to know that I’m not the only one to make a wood router eat what it’s not made to eat

[@poldiderbus3330]

I am so jealous to see the Deckel FP1! :) I love it, I guess (like for many others) it was one of the machines I was trained on during the apprenticeship. There is still a FP3 at my fathers company but it needs a rebuild and a shop...

[@garysgarage101]

I really enjoy these shop talks Stephan. I get a lot more out of them than you may think. Many of us have tiny shops and I can really tell you’ve put a lot of thought in your choice of tools and layout. I try to do the same and it’s been helping a lot. Thanks again and please keep doing them. PS, I still miss the Gack.

[@willi-fg2dh]

parts went out . . . always a good feeling because it means money will soon come in.

[@michaelnicholson5218]

Hi Stefan, Re your tool storage material (wood), and your manufacturing die grinder caddy, can I suggest you check out using plastic IKEA kitchen chopping boards ! They are super strong, 8mm thick, easily machined and tapped using self tapping screws etc and very low cost, and a good alternative to wood. Happy New Year ! Regards Mike N

[@crichtonbruce4329]

Shop updates are among my favorite content. Thanks! As I'm primarily a woodworker, I enjoyed finding ways to use my machine tools for wood. I have used the mill as a morticing machine a lot, particularly when I had a bunch of them to do at once. With sharp cutters, some fixturing, and using speeds and feeds for aluminum as a starting point, I got excellent results. I dislike routers as well. For the part you were making I would have used a bandsaw but I don't know if yours would have been big enough.

[@MartsGarage]

Thanks Stefan. I did enjoy watching. Your workshop and mine are polar opposites. I had a comment saying that "Mart" and "tidy up" are words not normally used in the same sentence. I enjoy seeing your work and ideas and it gives all us hacks something to aspire to. I like the short clip format, I guess it is all part of the tidying up. Getting all those unshown clips out of the way. All the best, Mart in England.

[@hasanzakeri8708]

Never thought I’d see Moore setup blocks in woodworking 😅😂

[@Rustinox]

Good one, Stefan. And indeed, on a FP1 you can make whatever you want. Just go for it :)

[@andrewwakefield4519]

Love the oxy-propane cart!

[@spitefulwar]

What a nice and cozy place next to the radiator. :)

[@bcbloc02]

Shop is looking very well lit.

[@Dogfather66227]

Always enjoy your shop talk videos. Thanks for posting. I will offer a suggestion that has worked well for me when moving heavy items over smooth to semi-smooth surfaces for short distances. Try two sheet thicknesses of HDPE, PTFE (or sometimes even polyethylene contractor garbage bag material) under the machine feet. It will slide much easier because of the very low coefficient of friction between the layers of plastic. I have moved my surface grinder half a meter or so in this manner on a concrete floor.

[@russellforrest1730]

Best part? Egg box finished part organization😋 Love these compilation videos, especially the regular daily routine and completion of projects. Ever thought of doing a fly-on-the-wall time lapse video?

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Egg boxes mean you made it as a machine shop ;) Yeah I thought about a time lapse video, but that would be me with a lot of coffee drinking and sitting on the phone, checking instagram :D

[@TheUncleRuckus]

I cut wood on my metal lathe and mill all the time it's fine. Ppl act all dumb about it like you're going to just leave the wood chips and sawdust on the machines indefinitely or something. Great video as always Stefan! 👍👍

[@Preso58]

Thanks Stefan. As it turns out, I just took the drawings for the DTI mount down to my workbench today.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Yay!

[@camojoe2]

Stefan, I've been a channel member for years. What impresses me about your shop, among other things, is the quality of your equipment and work. You don't have to have millions of dollars in equipment and facilities to produce top shelf work. You have what it takes, a sharp mind, good training, and a very good shop, which is tooled around your production needs. Any time I open a new video, I fully expect to see Frankensteins' monster come sauntering out. To me, your shop has that kinda vibe, which is a good thing. You know you've arrived when you do work that you can't show on youtube. Highest regards, Duck

[@akosbuzogany2752]

I can smell the fresh epoxy floor of the new 500 m2 industry hall of the "GTWR-Werke GmbH".

[@StefanGotteswinter]

If I build a larger building any time, it will have a solid wood floor / wood brick floor for sure - I despise Epoxy floors :D

[@benjaminbenavidesiglesias52]

Why not concrete whith micro- cement layer finish?

[@StefanGotteswinter]

because i like wooden floors :) to me, its a nicer room climate, nicer to stand and nicer looking. And solid hardwood flooring is incredible durable and parts that get dropped dont get all dinged up and tools that get dropped dont chip the concrete or epoxy. THB, I have no clue why you would anything other than wood flooring :)

[@benjaminbenavidesiglesias52]

@@StefanGotteswinter i agreed but, to support heavy weight?

[@StefanGotteswinter]

@@benjaminbenavidesiglesias52Hardwood floor or wood brick floor on concrete will support several tons per squaremeter without a problem. (Wood brick floor is a very classic floor choice in heavy fabrication or machine shops.)

[@swanvalleymachineshop]

Good mix . Cheers 👍👍👍

[@greglaroche1753]

Thanks for another great video. I like that welding cart a lot.

[@KALGSO]

So talented I love it! God bless your soul 😇💖

[@chrisjh777]

Thanks for the tip to use oil on wood tool storage. I will oil mine in the morning.

[@itsfonk]

Cardboard prototyping. FTW 🙌 Cereal boxes and similar packaging are also nice for smaller detail arrangements. 😉 I have an old charting drawer which I save any significant sized cutoffs from shipments. ♻️

[@adhawk5632]

The real CAD👌

[@Hoaxer51]

@@adhawk5632, The original and still going strong! Lol

[@FesixGermany]

Love the cardboard work

[@RobertBrown-lf8yq]

Stefan, Thank you for all the effort. You teach … AND… you entertain. 👍👍 Robert

[@alexwbakker]

Stefan, i almost never have any advice for you, but, if you want to make a wheeled cart for that grinder, make a saddle-shaped cart with a "steam roller" style setup with full width solid stock as the rollers. the width of the rollers will protect the OSB, and if you chamfer the rollers, they'll "Ski" in the other orientation with a crowbar. I made a stand like that for a big bandsaw that needs to sometimes pull away from the wall, and it's been pretty great for me.

[@jackthompson6296]

Why do that when you can drill and bore 600 pockets in 8mm plate and pack each one with a ball bearing? 😂

[@Mattndew676]

Another fun video Stefan! Thank you.

[@kurtkrause7151]

Love your gas-fuel solution Stefan!! Cheers.👍✌️

[@stuartaddinell104]

Another great video Stefan. Love the content. Keep well my friend!

[@mog5858]

thanks for sharing. keep up the good work.

[@piotrk4351]

Hi Stefian! Is it possible that under every film you will add tool list that you are using? For example I would like to find those clamps that yiu used in working with wood and ot will be much easier if you share with us your checked solution. Keep up good work and greetongs from Poland!

[@timgrenville-cleave2848]

Again, a magnificent demonstration of skills and thinking. A perfect video to round off my evening. 👍

[@TrPrecisionMachining]

very good job stefan,,thanks for your time

[@matttradie1341]

It is quite a small but efficient space. Suggestions for die grinder, affix two pieces of pvc conduit either side of box to tuck cables into for neatness. And if you are concerned about your floor, simply double up your flooring with OSB and it will be extremely strong and will spread out the weight.

[@ljubomirculibrk4097]

Beter than taping a tube profile is using a nut rivet. Much stronger and faster. Wery nice workshop and best mashinist. Best regards

[@merc7105]

Thank you😊

[@noneofabove5586]

Nice tool handeling upgrades!

[@firstmkb]

Disclaimer - if I was building the carrier, odds are I wouldn’t finish it. I think you would be happier with a better way to tuck the cables away than wrapping them around the handle. Thank you for letting me enjoy your skills and shop vicariously!

[@Tezza120]

I love the machinist fit on the cardboard NSK carrier :)

[@MrRctintin]

Can’t wait to get home from town so I can sit and watch this

[@wktodd]

Long drill job: Could you have used a drill guide fitted to the fixture to avoid the spotting procedure?

[@StefanGotteswinter]

I tried that - There are two threads on top of the fixture where I had a drill bushing attached - It worked, but the drill entrance was not very nice compared to spotting with an endmill and the long chip coming out the hole was messing with the drill bushing, causing molten PVC - In overall it was rather problematic.

[@iiredeyeiiredeye1569]

Hi Stefan...Sorry but watching you build a table with castors is agony :)))...This is what happens when you give a master machinist a fabricators job. I would have marked out a plate with the hole centre positions supplied by the castor supplier. Clamped 4 plates together and drilled/ tapped all at the same time. welded them to the table...job done.

[@edcherney]

Love the thumbnail!:D

[@edgeeffect]

Best "shoptalk" thumbnail ever.

[@carlkulyk366]

Always interesting video’s

[@cylosgarage]

Most heinous opening shot of all time

[@pirminkogleck4056]

Sunday saved ! Thanks for the time Stefan ! Oh, i have to say: i am soon also a Machinist :) i got a job from a Bude member :)

[@djizomdjinn]

I've been told that silica deposits found in wood tend to dull cutters fairly fast, but then again you do have your own cutter grinder to resharpen, so it shouldn't be a problem to occasionally mill some wood.

[@joell439]

An unsolicited suggestion for the NSK die grinder carry case…. The CG looks a little toward the front. Maybe you can offset the handle hole forward so it is more balanced when you move it? 😊

[@StefanGotteswinter]

100% agree, needs to go a bit more to the front :)

[@tinker-neer]

Stefan, could you please one day maybe talk about all the work-holding solutions you have? Trying to glean details of your vices and such from videos is exciting detective work but still hard work. Also any tips and tricks would be very much appreaciated :)

[@chrisstephens6673]

As always a pleasure to watch. I have built one of your holders, with modifications to suit my perceived wants, and added a fine/coarse adjust but at the end not where you showed it could be. The guys at SM-EE, who have seen it, seemed to think the design has merit. 😉 At present the body is nylon while i finalise the mods, but it is still stiff enough to test. One problem i have is that it is too low profile, making it difficult to see the dial when in the " north " facing position because mine goes straight in an R8 collet. I am working on one with parallel arms to vary the height. At my age it is the only fun i get playing with ideas,😊 Perhaps it is time to add another video to my meagre channel 😊

[@kepamurray1845]

6:00 Stick a 90 degree fitting in your airline and have the hose coming out vertically down instead of horizontally. I found that my air gun would hang better and not provide as much obstruction.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Good idea - I have done that on other places, but it didnt occure to me here.

[@davidrule1335]

@@StefanGotteswinter Everywhere you have a "drop" for an air fitting needs to have the TEE pointing up. Then two 90's and then the quick connect pointing down. This arrangement will not allow water to make it into the hose. js.🙂

[@Drottninggatan2017]

Ordnung muß sein.

[@arjanvanraaij8440]

Das ist der deutschste Kommentar unter diesem Video.

[@splinky99]

I also use egg cartons for small finished parts…knobs and such!! Seeing you do it makes me feel clever!! 😂

[@JustinAlexanderBell]

Those DTI parts look like a million bucks.

[@MarkW321]

Cool.

[@spikeypineapple552]

Stefan, PLEASE do a full video talking about your erowa chuck. I want to bring one into my workshop so I can cut 4 axis fixtures.

[@mgbrv8]

I love kopal clamps I have used them for years. I never understood why they never became very popular in most shops.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

I guess the 300eur price sticker for one shocks away most people..

[@mgbrv8]

@@StefanGotteswinter it’s probably true I’ve gotten all mine used, so I never had to worry about the initial price. But still in the world of precision machining €300 isn’t awful. It’s just such a invaluable design and very versatile. Mine came with all of the riser blocks, Different interchangeable ends, extension arms and accessories and there’s not a day that goes by It’s not useful. Since I have a set of three in the kit I bought I always keep one permanently attached to my standing drill press.

[@nefariousyawn]

Your die grinder caddy looks like a great job for a mail order laser cut service, and I see a lot of KZbinrs get sponsorship from them.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Yep, I use online laser services from time to time.

[@JustinAlexanderBell]

That's a beefy drill press

[@eddrm4685]

Thanks for sharing. I am thinking buying some ITS work holding and would love to see it in action.

[@camillosteuss]

Ah, finally, someone said it, a drill press with 2 rotary axes is pretty much a radial arm drill with a quirk... I think i said the same thing when Mark Presling first started the floatlock vise build in regards as to why i find just a regular 2 piece vise a better solution on such machines... You don`t need the movable vise when you can move the table around its own axis and around the column itself to reach any part of anything that would fit on the table of the drill... And thank you for the part about the abrasives... I constantly see people use scotchbrite on lathes for ``polishing``, oftentimes without way covers, and then just ramming the carriage forward right after that without any cleaning, relying on way wipers to do something, without realizing that way wipers will just soak up that abrasive dreck and become a scotchbrite of its own, kinda like that plastic bushing you were once talking about on that video with some guy i`ve seen long ago... All soft abrasives shed abrasive dust like mad... Even a charged diamond plate will shed some, so it just baffles me how people think that a bit of sandpaper wont or a scotchbrite which is much worse in that regard... How little love does one have to have for machines to do such a thing is beyond me...

[@2503Erik]

Hi Stefan. About getting more height... You could have a short drill chuck - that would give you some. And there also exists a very special raiser block for the FP1. It raises 100mm (without changing gear angles) and was made for use with the combination of the slotting head and the 2037 indexing table. I know it does exist - I had one and sold it to someone in Belgium.

[@brandontscheschlog]

Poll. What tool/machine will Stefan discard of next or what will he add to the shop next? My guess is a bigger surface plate although I’m sure a bigger plate would be a PAIN to get in your shop

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Lathe, definetly lathe - The surface plate is perfectly fine :)

[@mattmanyam]

​@@StefanGotteswinterWhat do you need to upgrade, capacity?

[@StefanGotteswinter]

More stiff, more weight and a spindle that is not geared in the high speed range, only belt driven. I get artifacts from the gears of the super 11 when I do diamond turning.

[@manusholm3536]

should keep your eyes pen for a dentist lamp. one of those seeling mount type. i had one years ago. thay are great. the one i had could travel all over and stay where you put it. will be great camera rig for your shop

[@misterfixit1952]

A friend of mine gave me one of those dental lights. I mounted it onto a piece of 2" pipe with a pipe flange and attached it to my welding table. I also replaced the original bulb and lens with a high intensity LED bulb. Best welding light I've ever seen. I can move the light to any place on the 3'x4' table. There is also a 5" plumbers vice mounted on the corner of the work/welding bench. If I ever need to make videos I could easily mount a camera above the dental light, which has adjustable tension on the holding mechanism.

[@NiksSofa]

I would love to see you build a tank-treads platform for moving heavy tools.

[@2lefThumbs]

Now I've got Trio's "da da da" as an Ohrwurm/earworm after seeing the thumbnail😂

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Great 😃🤣

[@Brrraaack]

For the Nsk i am using a small Rollwagen and the short 1m cables. Makes it ey convenient. Upgrade planned: small usv to make it non reliant to the netzspannung.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Nice idea! I imagine a complete small deburring/finishing cart, with all the tools that are required for the work. Now thinking about it, I might do that..

[@Brrraaack]

@@StefanGotteswinter I am sending an email 😅

[@billsmith5166]

I'm sure you've probably considered it, but I think I used some HDPE as skids when I was sliding my mill. I may have my plastic names wrong though. I remember it involved the use of letters that don't spell a word.. like those of any language that ain't English. Thanks for the video!

[@gospelman7222]

HDPE = high density poly ethylene. The cheapest source for this I've found is food chopping boards at the local hardware store. A great material.

[@michaelhochstetler9095]

Your high quality content is much appreciated. Thanks for sharing. What is the maker of your keyless drill chucks? Do you prefer them to keyed type in all applications?

[@Hoaxer51]

I think I would bet money on Albrecht keyless chucks and I’m not a gambling person. It has that German quality to it.

[@michaelhochstetler9095]

I'm asking because my experience has been the keyless chucks loosen when the spindle is reversed when power tapping.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

The chuck on the drillpress is a Röhm Supra, but I also have a Albrecht for the mill and lathe. We used Albrecht and Röhm at my dayjob for powertapping it has been rarely an issue with opening on reverse.

[@Darlhim89]

What type of countersink is that you use when you discuss the tapping in a drill press on the grey roller base?

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Hoffmann 150130 www.hoffmann-group.com/DE/de/hom/Zerspanung/Bohrungsbearbeitung/Senkwerkzeuge-Entgratwerkzeuge/Kegelsenker/Pr%C3%A4zisions-Kegelsenker-mit-Ungleichteilung-90%C2%B0-TiAlN/p/150130?wayIntoCart=PLP&comingFromCategory=10-01-03-01-00

[@Joelsfilmer]

Would it make sense to mount the power supply vertically, standing on it's end? At least in the carrying position. That way you could store the grinders vertically down, so they won't fall off.

[@RookieLock]

Can you keep us updated on your NSK Hand piece holder/carrier.. (not sure what to call it) That looks like a great idea !

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Yep, definetly :)

[@jdmccorful]

@@StefanGotteswinter suggestion; how bout glass pipe clamps for the tool holders. They're stainless and are available in different sizes. Mostly ran into them at Pharma Co. Installations. They don't look cheap like conduit clamps. Love watching your videos!

[@lukerickert5203]

Is the D bit grinder going back together?

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Yep! New motor is already sitting there, i carve away some time each week to work on it.

[@David_Best]

Loved this video. So how did you celebrate Thanksgiving - did you enjoy a hotdog in a hallway on a stick?

[@StefanGotteswinter]

No Thanksgiving here :-) For us thats black friday week, where you try to get not scammed by supposedly cheap offers.

[@bobweiram6321]

When you said "2 ton jack", it sounded like "Teuton jack." I almost thought the jack was invented in Germany.

[@JaapGrootveld]

Tanks for this video and the plasma nitrated result👍 ( I like the colour) How far dit it put you back, money wise, if I may ask?

[@StefanGotteswinter]

The Plasma is about 50eur minum fee, which easily covers small projects like this.