Shoptalk #32 / November 2024

[@ROBRENZ]

Good stuff Stefan! keep them comming. ATB Robin

[@lesmaybury793]

Stefan has just achieved a new major milestone, a world record. He is the first to hold my attension for more than 20 minutes. Brilliant stuff.

[@ydonl]

It’s your thought processes that bring so much value to your channel. The more “thinking out loud” you do, the better.

[@tapp1t]

“Stop worrying and start to love the process.” Thank you Stefan, you put the Zen into machining.

[@sascandave]

You always worry if we like the shop talk or talking head .... I prefer then and always am excited when I see a new one. Good job stefan

[@camillosteuss]

No Stefan, that does not feel excessive for maintenance... That is how it should be done, and as an Austrian-German myself, i dare say it should be *clears throat* state mandated to be done so... But alas, we have people who still do not comprehend the majesty of machinery and the absolute necessity for proper service and care-taking of the machines... How many people have I alone seen using sandpaper over bare ways of a lathe and then rolling the carriage forth into piles of metal and abrasive dust on the ways... That or the abrasive wool, which they think less bad for some reason, but in fact it is worse, as abrasive wool sheds abrasive with much more ease than sandpaper does, so a quick lick of abrasive wool(especially if fresh) sheds a bunch of abrasive and a bit of metal dust - brilliant... You have my deepest commendations and respect for the treatment of the machine in your care... Regarding the oil on the springs, it is true, and grease on vehicular leaf springs - especially between them is paramount in my view, as such mechanisms are prone to fretting corrosion, each in it`s own way of achieving it... As long as there is something there to provide a lubricating thick film to prevent solid metal to metal contact and micro-rubbing it is all good... I actually prefer automotive teflon additive(comes in tubes) for heavy gearbox oils - it`s just 90W oil with exclusively teflon rich additive to it(kinda like moly-disulphi oil/grease)... It is as thick as 00 grease and it sticks to surfaces like shit on sheets... I also prefer it as leadscrew lube and assembly lube for machinery, as well as for quills and other ``piston/shaft-bore`` mechanisms, it is essentially way-oil on crack... But i stopped adding it occasionally to the ways as I am unsure of how compatible it is with actual way-oil... It should be totally compatible, but certainty and speculation are two vastly different things, and in lube and machines - i prefer certainty... Where i only add that as lube - i use it with no worry as it unlike moly additive is transparent and thus does not look like wear-particles rich oil if there is no wear to speak of... Best regards! Steuss

[@crichtonbruce4329]

Thanks Again Stefan. The way you clearly share your thought processes for your set ups and work flow is always an inspiration to me.

[@ericmiller5559]

You always provide good content, Stefan. With so many different ways to do things you always have a logical approach to your projects. I especially like that you bring us along by explaining how and why. I always learn something from you in every video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@ianpendlebury3704]

Another excellent videos with lots of why's as well how's. Plus, having been endlessly frustrated adjusting tool maker's clamps, your speed adjustment tip is gold.

[@joell439]

So glad you found some time to build something for yourself. 👍🎉👍

[@brianmccusker3852]

It's a pleasure to see your intelligence and imagination mesh with the tools in your shop. I'm the layman in this scenario, and just wanted to mention how enjoyable it is to watch your videos. Thank you, cheers

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Thank you!

[@MrRctintin]

I was about to go to bed, saw that a new video dropped, sod going to bed now 😂

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Hey, it will be here tomorrow morning too 🙂 Sleep is important. (Given the irony of me posting this at 01:00 in the night)

[@MrRctintin]

@ yeah, but I’ll sleep better knowing I’ve learnt something new from you, as I always do 😁 Midnight here in the U.K.

[@williambramer8217]

Me too

[@dieSpinnt]

@@StefanGotteswinter Hey, you can also sleep during the video ... [1] And of course watch it a second time, because it is really great and educating! Thank you Stefan!:) [1] This is also called "programming", used by the CIA and can be varied as depicted in the movie "Clockwork Orange". And now we are back on the watchlist!:P

[@CameronMcCreary]

Stefan, that is what I like to see; very close fitting counterbores and plate on the vise. Very nice work. Superb!!! 😊

[@vr66luke]

Great content as always!

[@wktodd]

love that orange fixture idea the safety ring is a real winner. ( although I would have made the screws go through to the other side , so only three screws to tighten)

[@noberet]

Thank you Stefan!

[@cooperised]

If you wrote a book on tool grinding and setups, I would read the hell out of it.

[@Narwaro]

My god, the finish in the bottom pocket of the grinding vise, good lord

[@willi-fg2dh]

you bought the system for the best and purest motives . . . YOU WANTED IT! the fact that it will allow you to make bigger, and possibly more accurate parts faster will contribute to the bank account too. besides, we all know that when you find that the system needs improvement you will modify it to your standards. don't worry about tooling, setups, chips or talking, you've always hit a good balance . . .. if someone (obviously a philistine) gets bored there's nothing stopping them from taking a break and coming back later.

[@abrahamwilberforce9824]

I love the shot at 22:26 where the pucture of the FP1 shows it in the same config as Stefans one is at the moment

[@michaeljoiner2503]

Thank you for reminding us of the un-glamourous but necessary work

[@samcoote9653]

Hey Stefan, great points! I especially love seeing you use 3d printing in fixtures and stuff. Definitely gives 3d printing a more practical use other than trinkets in the home workshop. I don't know who is in these comments complaining that theres too much talking, that's exactly why I and obviously many other people come to tjis channel. It's nice getting a bit of insight into why you do something rather than just lifeless video like many other channels do. Cheers and hope you're doing well :)

[@dpmachineworks]

Absolutely great Deckel set up!! Love your attachments for it!! Thanks for taking the time to share. Very appreciated

[@madsighntist14]

Yes, it was Interesting! And as my Hardwood Floors mentor always said, the difference between a Craftsman & a MASTER Craftsman, is NOT "not making mistakes", it is Making Mistakes DISAPPEAR. He was known on the Entire West Coast, from San Diego to Vancouver B.C., Jack Stewart, rest in peace . . . Sincerely, philip, from the Great Pacific NorthWET, Oregon Division, USA (Grandparents from Liepzig, De.) HE

[@crichtonbruce4329]

When I was in Art School the motto was "Always try and make your mistakes look like you did them on purpose."

[@giuliogiulio1]

That lathe fixture is a work of art

[@unleashtheunicorn]

I really liked the shop chemicals video last year because there was lots of stuff in there that was applicable to anyone, whether they are an accomplished machinist or just someone who‘s interested in the topic and likes to do a little DIY now and then.

[@Engineerd3d]

Man you make hard milling look easy!

[@StefanGotteswinter]

At this range of hardness its not that bad - When you get into 62...65HRC, it gets tricky very quick.

[@minigpracing3068]

Setups like this show why that mill system was a good choice, very versatile in a small foot print.

[@Richard-be9gp]

Nice to have another video to remind me of how enjoyable it is to watch your endeavours.

[@matspatpc]

For EVERY setup, there's probably half a dozen ways. You do it your way. Someone else will do it another way. If the part comes out right (within spec), and it's not dangerous, you're good. Your workshop, you're responsible for making it work.

[@adamthemachinist]

Liking the dark lighting in the shop, so cinematic

[@wrstew1272]

Always informative to see what you are up to. Hopefully this isn’t the last time this year 😮. The maintenance on your mill reminds me of a good woman, you need to pay attention to her, or potentially suffer from the consequences 😊. As always another fine instructional masterpiece. Thanks Stefan.

[@pauldorman]

Thanks, Stefan! Your shop and tool upgrades are always a vicarious pleasure!

[@michacempla3506]

Apreciate You sharing your personal project and sharing the mishaps :)

[@aserta]

1:10 i have to start my year end maintenance run as well. I'm about a week off from the usual schedule. Procrastination can be an addictive thing. :))

[@garysgarage101]

That was a great tip about the magnetic block for microscope inspections. Just bought a digital microscope and can see this being a great addition.

[@fullmetalpenguin]

Brilliant, as always. Thanks for sharing, Stefan.

[@Machineius]

That Lang system is awesome. I am really glad you showed us that.

[@Tezza120]

I enjoy these shoptalks, so thankyou! Can't wait for the next one. Oh and thanks for mentioning the viscosicty of the way oil, now I know what to look for. Cheers

[@chrisstephens6673]

As a wise man once said, the more you know(or experience), the more options you have!

[@JB-ol4vz]

Love your shop talks, so interesting. Also, nice lightning for the filming, looking professionally. Cheers from 🇸🇪

[@Timeonabike]

Thanks again Stefan for another generous video. I really enjoy when you pull apart your nice machines, as it shows me how the various functions are designed - e.g. the spindle lock - so I can learn from that and improve the horrible machine I have. That Lang gear is very exciting. Thanks very much for showing it all. Cheers.

[@FinnoUgricMachining]

First and most importantly; Thank You! Adjusting the tram and nod of the milling head is something that should be a common practice for every manual milling machine owner. It is not that bad to do and once You omit the habit, it is hard to get rid of it. I have an old milling machine, Schaublin SV-51, and that has an indexing system for nodding and tramming. It is not just a nonius scale (which it has) but rather a real indexing system with tapered pins and all inside there. It is accurate enough (0,05 mm/ 200mm) and the setup takes less that 20 seconds to do. For work requiring moire accuracy, I still use dial indicators and stuff to get it spot on. One more time, Thanks for this late night salad 😀

[@petersilva4242]

You milled into your vice. That's not possible. I was sure you were a robot. Glad to see even someone as meticulous as you still makes mistakes. Makes me feel a little better about scraping parts every second day

[@leafs4626]

Good stuff as always ! the different part with differents bits of projects make for a nice format :)

[@nigelleyland166]

Very nice looking system, well out of this hobbyists price range but does offer food for thought, I used high density plastic (from bottle tops I melt and mold myself, infinity remoldable) as sacrificial work holding pallets/plugs etc, not high precision but good enough and cheap as chips!

[@TrPrecisionMachining]

good video stefan. thanks for your time

[@kimj2570]

Stefans wall climbing shows. He looks like 1 mile runner nowdays. Good for you Stefan!

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Thank you!

[@noneofabove5586]

I really like the 3d printed fixture!

[@pirminkogleck4056]

Thanks for the Video " Much awaited and much apreciated Stefan

[@RobertBrown-lf8yq]

Great content for ‘hobbyist’ viewers…. We couldn’t see this sort of innovative stuff anywhere else. Also…. I bet any ‘competitors’ ( if there are any), would be glued to your channel Stefan 🤣🤣🤣 REALLY entertaining… ALWAYS super interesting. Thank you for sharing, Regards, Robert 🇦🇺

[@paulbadger6336]

Well done 👍

[@noneofabove5586]

Very nice setup on you mill!

[@Rustinox]

Good one, Stefan. The FP1 is so versatile that several times there are many ways to set it up for a same result.

[@copasetic216]

I really love the pallet system. That’s fantastic. I can see why it’s expensive but could be well worth it in the right situation.

[@adhawk5632]

Thanks again mate for your time and expertise 👍👌🇦🇺

[@ImolaS3]

As usual, an really interesting video! I was particularly pleased that you like the Arc Euro vice and find it good enough for your work as I live only 10 miles from them and both of my vices on my mill are the same vices (125mm jaw width) and I am really impressed with them. I was inspired to mount two by you, but I didn't realise yours came from Arc too :)

[@mr.b2232]

Congratulations on your Lang system. 👍😎

[@TheUncleRuckus]

Enjoyed the video as always Stefan, thanks for uploading! 👍👍

[@rodneykiemele4721]

Love the Shop Talk videos, thanks a lot.

[@465maltbie]

Love the little magnet idea, thanks for sharing. Charles

[@Gpcas9]

8:11 I can see, you´re enjoining the work you do very much 😛

[@BruceBoschek]

Brilliant, as always.

[@frankdoner8402]

Thank you Stefan

[@danielgilbert5312]

thanks Stefan!

[@sylvaingervais247]

salut super job merci pour tout tes vidéo du Canada

[@RustyInventions-wz6ir]

Another nice video. Great job.

[@davidchavez81]

Daang, you nailed that Lang fixture!

[@outsidescrewball]

Enjoyed….awesome discussion/mentoring/builds

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Thank you!

[@matthewchastain136]

At my job i had to make a large number of very similar parts from acrylic tube. Had to machine some large pipe threads. I was doing the work in a CNC vertical mill. I saw you wipe some sort of cutting fluid on your drill. what was that lubricant? I was wiping a small amount of WD on the taps between cycles that seemed to help with chips sticking/clogging up but it was still a pain.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

The same cutting oil I run in my machines - I found it helps greatly when cutting certain plastics.

[@ljubomirculibrk4097]

Dont use WD on PVC, polycarbonate or acrylic. Its light naphta based damages plastic in long run. Simplest is light machine oil, easy to clean.

[@StuartsShed]

Very good - nice compilation. Re: tramming a mill head - seems to me that not using the ability to rotate the mill head is a waste of the machines abilities. I’m frankly pleased to see that function being used. 👍👍

[@jimsvideos7201]

Stefan it sounds like you might be the one to write a good book on T&C grinding 😀

[@StefanGotteswinter]

I would love to write a book one day..

[@jimsvideos7201]

@ I’ll gladly proofread, and I’m pretty competent with Illustrator and InDesign for illustrations and typesetting; I’ll gladly offer those skills as a thank you for all of the work you put into your videos.

[@ydonl]

I’d gladly buy a copy.

[@evesdad8419]

Me too!, without a doubt. I think you've got a great philosophy on work, and life :-)

[@bobvines00]

@@ydonl I would too, just from Stefan's ideas & thoughts, even if I don't have a Tool & Cutter grinder.

[@chrismayer8990]

Thanks for the Video! 👍

[@stevensmart8868]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on those work holding systems Stefan. Lang will most likely get some sales out of your happiness with there product. Thanks for the vid its great to get this type of content for us hobby/part time professional machinist that dont go to the trade shows. And i trust your shared thoughts more than some sales guys speel.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Thanks! I think Lang is well enough established on the market to not need any promotion from me :)

[@robertpearson8798]

Very seldom is there only one way to accomplish something and it often comes down to personal preference, habit and experience. It’s also very easy to think of better methods after a job is finished.

[@angelramos-2005]

Great info,Stefan.Thank you.

[@andresmanueltoledo2314]

End of the year shop tour!!!!

[@betjit]

"kiloeuros". Legend!

[@frankward709]

Very nice system and thanks for the video

[@1ginner1]

Hi Stefan, In my experience, there is no right way to do a job, there is only the way that works. Sometimes you have to think outside the box, and as you are thinking outside the box you realise that you are still inside it DUH, so you change the setup and this is how we evolve and grow. How about a 3D printed Christmas tree with reindeer, Santa, elves and (as I can see your face right now) a Grinch. Happy Christmas Stefan, Best wishes, Mal.

[@Biggus_Mickus]

I 3D printed a lathe fixture thingy when I needed to turn a square bit of wood in my 3 jaw, since I can't afford a 4 jaw yet. Worked really well since it was just pine.

[@paulsto6516]

Awesome show!

[@Michel-Uphoff]

Minor happiness meltdown, click! 🤣😂

[@wavetwo2171]

Ty for sharing!

[@kepamurray1845]

Every time I pull my Bridgeport apart I am amazed at the dirt and rusty oil I find. Dusty environment here in Australia. Would love to scrape the X axis a I'm pretty sure it is wallowed out in the middle.

[@624Dudley]

Hello Stefan, thanks for posting! I’ll save this one for tomorrow morning with coffee. 👍 Edit: as usual, lots of good information! I especially like your suggestion for making the embedded magnet holding fixture. Also, I had forgotten about Adam’s finely made low profile V-block - nice! Thanks Stefan

[@euroman12000]

Млъквай, и обратно в кревата!

[@robby60259]

I think it would be pretty cool to see you rebuild and improve another cheap Asian machine tool, like you did with the Vertex rotary table.

[@JonathanSteinert]

Why is the Lang system not considered an over constrained alignment? Is over constraining okay when you are holding closer tolerances than you expect out of the fixturing?

[@StefanGotteswinter]

It is overconstrained :) Most zeropoint/fixturing Systems are overconstrained. I think we as a technical society made a bad left turn when we anotated "overconstrain" as bad - It is not, if used wisely. Erowa ITS is also highly overconstrained, but works absurdly well, because it leads to mechanical averaging (= everything deforms and bends and finds its happy place).

[@JonathanSteinert]

@StefanGotteswinter ah, then thank you for the explanation

[@BronzeAgePuritan]

Would it have been better to have the zeropoint interface on the grinding vise closer to the fixed jaw end, considering that most work is done there?

[@Margarinetaylorgrease]

I never thought I’d see Stefan making precision bird feeders.

[@joschneider2344]

fantastic video, thank you for the insights. I wonder how the Lang system actually works. Four round studs in four holes looks way overconstraint to me, compared to the erowa system.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Both are heavily overconstrained. Not a Problem, things are elastic and average out.

[@aserta]

For the tube, don't discount expanding mandrels as a concept. They'd allow you full access to the part to machine it. And for something like this, brass, softer metals, the mandrel can be made out of hardwood (for the expanding parts, made them out of old oak parquet). I've made one for making filter pods (cheaper) and it works pretty accurately.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Yeah! Agree, good option. The expanding portion can even be a large O-Ring, a 3d Printed TPU part, Yoga Mat Foam or something else flexible.

[@nrml76]

The personal projects are often the most popular videos on professional machinists channels as CEE's experience demonstrates.

[@pjofurey6239]

If I owned a DECKLE FP I would also take such care, after 18years of searching I gave up and got a Swiss LUTHYLF10 just finishing the rebuild among other projects .

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Congratulations! The Luthy is a beautiful machine. I would expect the swiss to build a machine at least the same or higher standard than Deckel :-)

[@pjofurey6239]

@ thank you Stefan, it is indeed beautifully built but lacks a quill and the speed range is somewhat limited , it will certainly keep me going until the deckle finally turns up , for some mysterious reason I have just purchased a 1940,s WARD 2A capstan lathe , in buisness I must have moved a few hundred of these antique workhorses, some even went to Berlin! Keep the channel flying , I know of friends across the globe who tune in to each episode. Wielen danke

[@professor-viewsalot]

Clasic, Torque wrenches only work when you say TALK. Stefan, you missed a comment on your 3D printed mount. The 2 circumferencial straps between the part outer edges, you use them as nice safe easy handles to pull the chuck around. So good you did'nt even notice!

[@britenrhodehouse8692]

Lang system is the💣

[@Kurt-tq6ew]

I’d love to see some cnc work with the setup and tooling considerations.

[@MrsMcMuffin]

Have you thought of/figured out a way to still have the ability to easily mount a lathe chuck to the milling machine with the Lang-System in place? I think I remember you having flats machined onto the backplates though, so I guess you could just clamp them in a vice.

[@euroman12000]

Can you talk about hair maintenance as well?

[@StefanGotteswinter]

The finest 3-1 shower gel - Suitable for body, hair, carburators.

[@michielnreen1922]

Nice video, thank you! The Lang system on the Deckel indexer is nice! Especially with your personal project :) I wonder: did Lang provide you with the adapter for the Deckel indexer? Greetings from The Netherlands.