Deckel Rotary Table: 380mm Monstrosity

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[@andli461]

“I don’t hate it.” - SG One of the rarest and highest form of compliment you can ever get. 😅

[@StefanGotteswinter]

If I did channel-merchandize, that would go on a tshirt :D

[@andli461]

@@StefanGotteswinter That’s a great idea! 👍😊 I mean “I don’t hate it.”

[@edgeeffect]

In my work, I often describe pieces of software with "I don't utterly hate it....." :)

[@djizomdjinn]

40:06 The horizontal sine bar trick is one I’m going to have to remember. That’s one of the reasons why I love this channel, I learn random tips all the time that you just drop offhandedly while going over something else.

[@RotarySMP]

Nice start. Two yardsticks.... metric and bananas :)

[@user-bg8bz4uf8s]

My whole shop is full of machines I wanted but had no need for and now I couldn't get anything done without them

[@Blondihacks]

That sine bar trick is a good one! I’ll remember that. A great way to get a lot more out of cheap rotary tables as well.

[@Mad-Duk_Machine_Werkes]

55kg is 121 lbs, My rotary table is 177lbs, I made the mistake of bending over and lifting it by hand last month and my back STILL isnt right! I've had my wife and kids putting on my shoes & socks for me every morning for three weeks! I'm finally able to do it again alone the past cpl days- No more heavy lifting for me, Got my gantry crane all set up and a lifting eye built for the Rot-Tab

[@Chris-pb3se]

You lifted that by hand? I’ll give you a call next time I need my Bridgeport put in my attic.

[@darrenconway8117]

I am making a wheeled rack that holds tables, heads, my rotary table, and other mill accessories. I am getting too old to lift these items without hurting my back. While making the rack, I had to do test fits ..... and hurt my back. The rack is still not finished.

[@Mad-Duk_Machine_Werkes]

@@darrenconway8117 Great Idea! would love to see pics of this rolling wonder when it's done! sounds like something ALL old machinists could possibly use!!! Hahaha

[@wrstew1272]

Isn’t pain a great reminder to not do Superman Stunts? Hopefully it won’t be permanent. I once lifted a 409 short block from the “ trunk” of a Corsair, but I was eighteen years old and invincible. Now the coffee pot is heavy enough in the morning 😂

[@mvadu]

34:46 that was for you..

[@Paul-FrancisB]

Just made a sunny Sunday afternoon even better, perfect accompaniment for a cold 🍺

[@spitefulwar]

Absolute Einheit of a Drehtisch!

[@g.tucker8682]

Nice to see those lovely airbrushed illustrations in the Deckel brochure.

[@jobkneppers]

Stephan, I own two of them because they came with the Deckels I bought. The weight is cumbersome to work with but they’re really great for extending the machining area. I made really big parts on my Minimill with it and loved their accuracy. When setup correctly I couldn’t see or feel any transitions in meeting machined areas. And the reach of the y-axis on the Deckel has been to small many times now. And with this guy you just swap your y travel to your bigger x travel. They’re beautifully made and can be lifesavers in the shop. I also used it with a compact vice on top. One datum in the DRO for the back-left corner of the vice and a datum for the center of the rotary table. Quite universal in many cases. Thank you for sharing your Deckel adventures with us. I’m a big fan of the brand and your work. Thank you Stephan. Best! Job

[@ROBRENZ]

Enjoyed Stefan! Very nice piece. I'm sure this will turn up in a video somday. ATB, Robin

[@Smallathe]

Awesome. Congrats on the new tool. I especially loved the "then you can just get rid of the reminder with an air gun and a towel so you don't spray the solvent all over the shop" - then you disregard your own tip and the towel - and spray the solvent all over the shop... lol...

[@624Dudley]

I rescued a 10” (250 mm, 0.83 bananas) Brown & Sharpe rotary table in similar glued-together condition. It took quite a while to clean away the gunk! 👍

[@parkermusselman9824]

What sort of bananas are you eating???

[@624Dudley]

@@parkermusselman9824 Fair question. I was thinking 1 banana = 1 foot. However, looking back to Kurtis’ banana calipers at CEE, I now think a banana is an inch. Oops! It’s tricky, having so many systems of units. 🫤

[@stillhand]

Many thanks from NZ Stefan, I have one of these for my FP1 and KF12. Now I know how to take it apart for cleaning.

[@Likeaudio]

I love how complete you are making this machine. ❤. Completionism is amazing when it comes to tools. "If you want to learn a new trick, read an old book"

[@pingwax.]

Anyone who criticizes any PPE as unmanly or uncool is a twit. Health and safety aside, it's pretty damn nice to pull off the gloves and not have my hands be completely filthy. I don't think you have to justify this as a practical purchase. It's really cool, it made a satisfying and fun video to watch. I hope it was an equally fun and satisfying project for you. It is mechanically interesting and who knows, maybe one day it will be the hero tool that saves a project. It's nice to have an experienced machinist explain the purpose behind various features. I don't think I'd appreciate all the logic and thought that went into the design otherwise.

[@Watchyn_Yarwood]

Agree. I don't know of a machinist or restorer video creator who doesn't wear gloves. One particular creator, heavy equipment mechanic, I subscribe to flatly refused to wear them for a long time now you won't see him ever working without them.

[@Laundry_Hamper]

What, you don't want to get solvents used to strip oil and grease and paint and other things made out of carbon and hydrogen and which penetrates microscopic gaps in things readily on your carbohydrate-based body which is covered in tiny little holes?? Wuss

[@techno_mesh]

Hi Stefan, never underestimate giving your viewers the opportunity to peek inside of contraptions they would probably never have the opportunity to look at. Even the cleaning of gunk has that archeological expectation of what will be found under, quality wise. At one moment I was designing a motorized rotary table (never built it at the end) and for sure this content would have had improved my design. Thanks for the interesting video.

[@iiredeyeiiredeye1569]

Lovingly restored piece. Stefan you have a mindset like me. Please more content like this.

[@RobertBrown-lf8yq]

Detailed and yet not boring. Stefan, you produce GREAT vids. 👍 Thank you Robert

[@geraldguyette470]

We know you felt sorry for it and brought it home to take care of it , thanks for showing us your new toy , it is big .

[@branchandfoundry560]

Thank you for making this video. I bought a large (edit: 207 lbs, though I do not remember the diameter) rotary table a while back with no specific use--a dirt cheap deal I couldn't refuse. The information you present is helpful as I for putting mine into use!

[@jdm2651]

Just got myself a 200mm rotary table for my Provmajska ALG-100. Put it to good use to make a connecting rod, my first. Now waiting for the div8ng disks and I will have an alternative to the universal dividing head, which is even heavier. Always appreciate your work Stefan.

[@johnridgeway6718]

That was really a terrific presentation. Thank you.

[@AleGlessner]

It's always nice to find FP content, thanks.

[@zevakikel]

For a moment I freaked out and thought you were going to skip the part about disassembling and reconditioning the rotary table!!! What a relief when you said "let's go back in time" and showed it!!!! Thanks for sharing

[@jdmccorful]

Great clean and educate! Nice accessory. Thanks for your time.

[@22fritts]

Hello Stefan. What a beautiful piece of kit. The brochure and technical manual are the cherry on top. Without them, it would be hard to imagine this accessory's versatility.

[@BitQuests]

14:24 Spider 🕷️, thanks for the video!

[@Andrew_Fernie]

I thought it was a cockroach

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Fly-Flyby.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Outside of a commercial kitchen I have never seen a cockroach in my entire life :D

[@dpmachineworks]

Thanks for showing complete breakdown of the rotary table. Very informative!! Keep up the great videos!! Always enjoy and learn from them.

[@philjjordan6197]

OMG, I am so happy to see a new video. Thank you ! You're the best of the best.!! Thank you, Stephan...... keep happy

[@broheim23]

Your videos are always informative, Stefan. Thanks!

[@RookieLock]

That cleaned up very nicely !

[@Timeonabike]

Good to see you wearing your safety crocs Stefan. What a great bit of equipment! I am certain it will get used. Thanks again for the great videos.

[@horseracingpeters9971]

Excellent Stefan as Always Thanks for Sharing.

[@vr66luke]

Fantastic content as always. Thank you

[@tims6870]

Around 14:25 sees a little bit of nature strolling through in the background 😂 it is a very well thought out design that rotary table. I am impressed!

[@BruceBoschek]

Almost 45 minutes of thought-provoking and enlightening entertainment! Loved it. I bet you will find use for that table in short time. Maybe for winding the Tesla coil on the DeLorean time machine. After all, you have all kinds of experience building the flux capacitor!

[@michaelnicholson5218]

You cant have too many good tools. You never know when they will be handy. Thats a really good design. Thanks for another very interesting video. Rgds Mike N

[@garyc5483]

Great Vlog. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing your tools & also your opinions with us. ATB regards from the UK

[@jeff1176]

Great informative video. Nice job getting it clean and oiled. You never know when you might need that particular piece of equipment.

[@paulbadger6336]

Well done, as always. Thank you for sharing. 👍✌️

[@michi4290]

Das Video hat mich endlich dazu verleitet meinen Deckel Rundtisch (fast identisch aber stift zum direkten teilen an der seite und nicht nach unten), den ich zusammen mit meiner Maho MH600A gekauft habe welcher seither nur in der ecke stand ein wenig in schuss zu bringen nun glänzt er wieder schön und ist sauber👍

[@rodbennett4790]

G'day Mr I'm not a collector, That's a great piece that you've added to your collection! Don't worry Stefan, we all get it. We all have the same disease. I enjoyed the video. It's good to see someone doing what I have to do, i.e. get used tools back into working condition.

[@warrenjones744]

That is a sweetheart of a rotab Stefan.👌 I don't use one very often, but it is nice to have one when something comes up. I like the design of that one, direct indexing would be handy at times for sure. Sine bar 😍

[@markcaroll363]

Great video. I really like seeing the Deckel equipment and how well you explain how to use them. I have a 15” 380mm Troyke rotary table. I bought it from an auction at a really good price. I did not think that I wanted a table that big but after having it, I don’t think I would want a smaller one. It is just so easy to clamp down things onto. I think you will find yourself using it often.

[@user-xh9pt8zu2l]

Stefan is hovering over a line. There are the machinists who move parts with tweezers (eg., Clickspring), and then there are those who use cranes (eg., CEE Cutting Edge Engineering). They represent the boundaries. Most of the craft is in the middle where stuff is moved by hand. Stefan has always been closer to the fine end. Now he needs a crane! All preconceptions have been exploded and all bets are off for the next project. Enjoy the work you do, and hope the perfect job for the new tool comes your way (and you can share it with us).

[@angelramos-2005]

Quite interesting learning,Stefan.Thank you.

[@ColinLennard]

Thank you for that tour. Now should I see another I will be wiser.

[@MgBaggg]

I can watch Stefan clean up old tools all day

[@TrPrecisionMachining]

good video stefan..thanks for your time

[@TheSlowful]

With that precision you could use it as a tooling pallet 4 places for different steps in your long run jobs 😊

[@Rustinox]

That's a nice one. And now that its clean, keep it ready. I will come anf pick it up next week :)

[@m-terrorr]

Something that I find usefull in such large rotary table (but it might be specific to my field of work) is the ability to put another X-Y table on top of it to work on a part with circular features with different centers.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Absolutely useful, agree! I have a X/Y stage that goes on top of my indexing head and i use it more often than i would like to admit.

[@campbellmorrison8540]

I totally agree there are somethings that are nice to have and I'll bet one day you will find a use for it

[@richardjones2151]

@14:49. Dude!? Your English is off the scale superb!...I understood what you intended to communicate immediately!...another masterpiece video my friend😊

[@donavinnezar]

we have a vertical shaper that has a rotary table built in , we mounted a 4jaw to that so its great for setting up work that require multiple keyways or splines

[@edgeeffect]

Woah! I think we could all do with a few friends like yours. ;) I've struggled to find a rotary table small enough for my tiny Unimat... which makes it kinda fun to have a good look at this monster. :)

[@donavinnezar]

i love the safety crocs !

[@sven-erikviira1872]

At 9:40, the oil gunck reminds me how my 6Р82Ш soviet mill had 2kg of Litol pumped into 90 degree reductor between vertical head and horisontal ram.

[@thedabblingwarlock]

With that music in the background of the intro, I half-expected you to start cackling like a mad scientist. Hmm, Stefan, the Mad Machinist has a nice ring to it, now that I think about it.

[@StuartsShed]

Nice fixture - it has basically never been used. The hardened grease and thick oil is typical of an item sat forever. Great find - if a little big.

[@Aussiemachinist07]

great video mate, i have the same table i need to strip down and clean, this will be very helpful.

[@johncarey9149]

Stefan, I'll wager a beer that the rotary table finds a use as an extension to the work area, particularly for the work that you describe as 'larger'. I say that, because I've seen the effort that's required to hold the work on the vertical surface of the mill ... 🙂

[@MarkW321]

Cool video.

[@zachaliles]

You could out a bunch of small vices on it and indicate them all in so you have multiple positions to clamp work and have different setups.

[@MrVintagemoto]

I do have similar rotary table on my TOS FN25, which is a cheaper clone of FP2. It does have some rust damage on the centering element, which is used also for direct indexing with locking mechanism pointing to the center of the table. I think to re-bore the housing to clean the rust pitting and wire cutting new oversized centering/indexing ring with some 0,02mm clearence. Anyway thanks for the video Stefan.

[@mpetersen6]

The last rotary table l tore apart had a special bearing from Kaydon. Very similiar to a QJ type bearing but with rollers instead of balls. For backlash adjustment of the worm drive the worm screw was a variable pitch lead. The worm screw could be adjusted axially to get the desired adjustment. RT was the 4th xais on a K&T HMC.

[@wrstew1272]

It’s wonderful that you have the opportunity to be expand your fixtures, the “ it’s too big “ part will shortly be replaced with “ I’m really glad that I picked up this wonderful piece of equipment “. If you have it, it will be used. If you don’t have it, you will definitely be remorseful that it got away 😮. My life story anyway 😅

[@lito11111940]

I love the Crocs Bro 👍

[@than_vg]

Enjoy Stefan, the 6017 is lovely (and, in a way, very suitable to the smaller machines with the narrow beds. On the FP3, you either need spacers to lift it off the table or, if you place it at the edge of the table, it ends up very far from the machine...). One point that needs some care is the clamping: since it's in the middle of the table, if one goes crazy on the clamp, it pulls the middle of the table a bit low and bows the end up high. So don't go crazy on the clamp.... :D I think this is different on the swivelling circular table 2236. Regarding the Moore, well, 6017 was Deckel's workhorse. The optical ones do 6 and 3 arc sec accuracy, so, beat that Moore, haha... :P

[@jefflastofka9289]

I hope those are steel-toed safety Crocs you're wearing at 9:00 while lifting heavy parts 🙂 I'm jealous of your overhead crane and roll-around lifting cart.

[@Slemi]

At 20:51 when you are puting screws in there seems to be thread in the lower right hole that looks like it could be used to lift the part out maybe? Looks like M10 thread and the screws that were in there look like M8.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Damn sir. I think you are right, there seems to be a thread for pushing stuff apart. Missed that!

[@ClanChapman]

In my experience tooling/equipment like that becomes a kind of magnet for work they can be used for. I can relate to the I want.

[@ianpendlebury9503]

Fascinating look into a very nice precision accessory. If you want one and can afford one, then why not? Enjoy the ownership, by whatever measure.....

[@juliankerler7906]

Really nice, have the same and the only time it is used is with the much bigger Mikron of a friend 😅

[@Dieselfitter01]

Love everything you do, you have a mouse in the house @ 14:30 on the left.

[@StefanGotteswinter]

I like to work with a open shop door, so I insects going in and out the shop :)

[@1873Winchester]

Nice! I've been looking for years to stumble over a similar table for my fp2 but no luck within my affordability budget...

[@aflippy21]

Feature wise this appears very similar to the Emco rotary table I have for my FB-2 mill. Direct indexing lock @ 15 degree increments, dis-engageable worm, and dividing using indexing plates and sector arms. Mine is only 150 mm diameter though : )

[@djizomdjinn]

Wow. The size of it makes your mill look like a miniature vertical lathe.

[@Warped65er]

Thx for the vid.

[@Copozeras]

at 38:38, That interesting wholhaupter head with a lever lock caught my attention, I havent seen one like that before

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Ha funny, noticed that too - I think thats just a minor change on the Wohlhaupter UPA3, all the ones I have seen so far in real life had the round thumbscrew for locking.

[@2lefThumbs]

I get your reference to 15+ bench vices😉 looks like you've picked up a gem that complements your mill and other rotary equipment, so you're ok👍👍 It would be interesting to see if the precision is enough to actually double the y travel usefully - it's got to be worth a "short", right?🙂

[@Omsip123]

What a beauty ❤

[@Fragaut]

Cool chunk of metal. Mounted vertically, it should be able to "live-turn" and machine large diameter cylindrical parts, ring gears, things like that. Who knows?

[@edcherney]

That automated lifting table looks awesome! Have you featured it in another video that I can see? I may be premature with this comment as I have not watched this entire video as of the time of my comment and it may very well be covered later in this one. Either way, I like the concept!

[@manusholm1544]

i had a kf12. briliant machine.

[@TON_KROW]

Stefan where you been buddy, I guess you been staying busy , or I hope you’re staying busy. That’s a pretty big rotary table, I was needing one today but found a different way to go about it getting the job done,

[@OldePhart]

Adam Savage (of Mythbusters fame) is making a smaller form factor round safe door that has a number of gears around the perimeter that drive pins outward like you see in movies about banks years ago. He was asking why all the gears had 24 teeth (or multiple of that number) and he postulated that it was purely a manufacturing issue because of how the rotary indexing tables were designed with stops every 15 degrees. He was curious what was the reason for 15 degrees and not some other number.

[@mpetersen6]

Likely because many plates that are used as retaining plates in machines commonly have 4, 6 or 8 screws holes. 24 positions covers that nicely. I used to have a Hardinge H-4 5C collet indexer. 24 index positions.

[@jsteifel]

that's one nice table, and I hope you get some good use out of it. Sounds like you need to make a cart to hold it vertically while not in use, with wheels, or for use with a pallet jack. Some lifting eyes will help you greatly, better than beating up your straps on the clamp edges.

[@kennyrmurray]

Nice. I bought a really nice 12” for my Bridgeport and I have no idea who made it. I couldn’t find any name or numbers on it anyway. I searched google high and low and haven’t even seen another. Who ever made it made it high quality

[@outsidescrewball]

Enjoyed …great discussion/tool, curious “filled w/oil” as shown in a photo mounted vertically would it leak the oil??…I have the same lift cart…great tool

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Yep, It definetly would leak oil, it would not be a permanent setup.

[@muddkipp_1]

wow that is nice

[@bcbloc02]

That appears to have been an injection pump housing they were working on.

[@valkman761]

Have the exact same table which I use on FP4. Good table but slightly annoyed by mechanisms under the table which means you have to have it hang over the edge of the mill table or shelf it's sitting on

[@kkupsky6321]

Bless his heart hitting record with all that ew… mir raucht der Kopf

[@johnfriend240]

Bought a Troyke DMT-15 (12" Rotary table with X-Y). Damn thing weighed 140 kg and I never got it on the table of my Bridgeport. Stan Z (Bar z/Shadon HKW) bought it off me and he quickly also got rid of it too! Didn't really need it after my Tormach PCNC 1100 arrived. Never did have to figure out how to set it up, CNC much easier!

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Damn! Those Troyke X/Y Rotary tables are so cool. But also SO obsolete :D

[@somebodyelse6673]

I have to think part of the reason he bought it was because it was a good deal. Since Stefan has been known to trade and upgrade stuff, even if he doesn't find a use for it the refurbishing is an investment.

[@c4t4l4n4]

Hi Stephan. I am curious about the oil reservoir in the rotary table. Since it can be mounted in a side wise position on the vertical axis of the Deckel, what prevents the oil from leaking out? Does it also mean you have to store the table in a flat position? I suppose that only a certain amount of oil is to be used and replenished. Is there a drain plug? 🙂

[@StefanGotteswinter]

The vertical use is definitely not a permanent setup - oil will drip and run out. Its one of those temporary toolroom setups that get you something done and then you tear it down and refill the oil

[@c4t4l4n4]

@@StefanGotteswinter Vielen, vielen Dank fuer die Antwort. 🧡

[@martindietrich2011]

I had luck I picked up a brand new 250mm rotary table from Hahn & Kolb. It was sticky because it was stored over 25 years or so. After cleaning it was like brand new .

[@StefanGotteswinter]

Jackpot!

[@martindietrich2011]

@@StefanGotteswinteryes Feels like a steal.... 160 Euro ...

[@mkeyser]

I got a good + to your magic trick. You get your quarter sheet palm sander out and put the scotch brite on it and add some power to your gunk removal.