Short Field Landing Cessna 172 | CFI Checkride Prep | Private Pilot

I’m teaching the pattern and a short field landing with a CFI student. This is more for passing a CFI check ride and not necessarily how I teach traffic pattern. I was just giving him lots of stuff he could say or offer to the student. This is the condensed version of the the traffic pattern and a short field landing. Lots of little tips and tricks I didn't go over, I'm pushing 3000 hours and still learning lots!
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[@NEROAviation]

5:35 Short field landing

[@allabouthelenawithgoldenwe904]

I just got checked out in a club 172 and instructor "suggested" the same thing. GREAT VID! I do not like bullshit and you get right to the point. Thank you!

[@jenniferspilsbury9969]

Now THIS is the type of instruction I can understand! Short, simple, sweet. I’m prepping for my PPL checkride 3/9. Struggling with short field landings at the new airport I’m flying out of. Which is why I found this video:) I’m going to rewatch a few more times. I need an instructor like you! Where are you out of?

[@NEROAviation]

I teach out of the time Seattle Area. Hope the video helps! Try to come up a little short and then power up and drag it in (with an instructor to start). Being short is easy to fix if you have gone over it a few times. Being too long is tough if you don’t catch it early, usually the best answer is go around if your long. Also keep in mind that if you hit your spot your usually good for the check-ride. I know instructors that teach basically a precision landing and it’s good for the check ride. All the technique and tips end up being less important than making your landing spot. The epiphany of using the back side of the power curve and learning the real dynamics of a short field landing is pretty rare for private pilot, sadly. Your on the right track though ! Best of luck! If your learning in the Seattle area I’m available for a instruction.

[@NEROAviation]

Hope you got those short field landings down! Most examiners give a bit of leeway they know your still learning. Hope you passed easily !

[@bridgefin]

First I thought I was listening to a student on his ppl check ride and thought WOW! OK CFI, makes sense. Good video to return to. Lots of solid info there. Thought you were too high to make the numbers but you nailed it.

[@NEROAviation]

Lol, yeah just me flying left seat for a change. Once you get the sight picture down (depending on wind ) it’s hard to over shoot using this technique. I like to aim a little short that way I can drag it in if needed. If I was going to over shoot I would have added just a little extra rudder to dirty up the plane ( not enough to really slip just a little extra wind resistance) and it would have increased my decent rate by 300fpm. That was a Cessna 172N, so we have the 40 degrees of flaps which make for some steep looking approaches if your used to 30 degree models. Thanks for watching and the great comment !

[@bridgefin]

@@NEROAviation Lately I have been flying gliders and I like a steep approach. But so many power approaches I watch on video seem to be so flat. Not sure if it the camera distortion or if I have forgotten a normal approach. But when I flew 172s I was flying your type of approach. It's been too long.

[@mattb.7464]

Not nagging or critiquing but rather curious about the way you performed the takeoff. We teach our students to position the airplane as to use all the runway you can on takeoff. Once in position, hold the brakes, set full power, release brakes, and build airspeed to Vx. Once at Vx is attained, rotate, climb at Vx until clear of the obstacle and then lower the nose for Vy or normal climb out airspeed. Either way, great video.

[@NEROAviation]

We do our short field takeoffs exactly as you describe them. That was just a normal takeoff and pattern with a short field approach and landing. I don’t teach the short field takeoffs much as they are pretty easy. For takeoffs I do mostly soft field takeoffs since that’s the hardest of the three. Thanks for the comment! I don’t mind some critiquing it makes me a better instructor! Sorry I didn’t make it more clear what type of takeoff I was doing. Thanks for watching !

[@outwiththem]

@@NEROAviation - Right. Soft field take offs take ability, Specially with a left crosswind. Good to do them as much as posible instead of the easy to do take offs. Any 3 hour student can do the wimpy normal take offs..

[@nealhere]

Niiiiice! Nice chatter during flight

[@ollopa1]

No need to impersonate an auctioneer on the radio, IMO. When talking to ATC, sure, but I think it's better to slow down on CTAF for the sake of student pilots, foreign pilots, and busy pilots. Running your words together as quick as possible is kind of like washing your hands without soap. We're trying to not run into each other out there, which is to say it's the spirit of the law rather than the letter of the law. :) Just my humble opinion.

[@NEROAviation]

I heard and old guy taking to a fast talking ATC controller and he said in slow measured words “ I listen ....at the same pace I talk”. I agree good communication has nothing to do with how fast you talk and everything to do with if others understand.

[@clairevery1want2bear]

trying to get my cfi and cfii. this is how i hope to teach one day!

[@outwiththem]

On my PPL checkride on a hot and turbulent July in Florida, the tough FAA examiner requested at end of all the maneuvers, including full stalls from steep turns, "A Short Field Landing over a 50 feet obstacle with a direct 12 knot left crosswind" And at an airport I have never been before that he ordered to go there and pretend it was an emergency short field landing. That is the max crosswind for a C150 with full flaps. He thought I was going to say no. I did it well, not easily.. He said; that was beyond my expectations.. I think you have a PPL. Short and Soft Field landings with max crosswinds make you a pilot or a loser.. I was 18 years old with 35 hours only. The bare minimum for PPL..

[@NEROAviation]

Awesome ! Great job ! Cross wind is tough for most private pilot students who usually don’t get a lot of practice doing it ( if any) before a checkride.

[@outwiththem]

@@NEROAviation - FAA regs still demand CFI's to teach mild crosswind landings to students BEFORE SOLO.

[@NEROAviation]

“Teach” doesn’t mean that they actually get to do a real x-wind landing with a substantial x- wind. I really like x-wind training and try to teach in real conditions whenever possible.

[@outwiththem]

@@NEROAviation Right.. Too many airplanes are destroyed by guys that cannot do crosswind landings. FAA should specify clear crosswind component on the FAA test. It is not required on FAA test. My CFI got a bit mad at the Examiner for demanding "A short field Crosswind landing at the max recommended" at a 35 hour student. I remember as I flared, I had to sink that right rudder and a lot of aileron while flaring. Not easy...

[@outwiththem]

In the 1970's We used only 53 knots (60 MPH) for short field landings. We came down at steeper angle, and only 60 mph..

[@NEROAviation]

We have one 1978 that use 53 kts for short field... and the other 3 use 60 kts . They are all the same year and all look the same so go figure.

[@outwiththem]

@@NEROAviation They have the same wings and flaps, so they should use the same speed. But by that year they were cutting the flaps to 30 degrees only. 60 knots is too fast for a short landing. I have done hundreds of them at 53 knots at full gross, power Idle. Im a CFi. If you used say 55 knots you didnt have to put power at all on short final..

[@magnusnielsen4409]

Very informative video =)

[@almassakar3927]

That's a great training video! I'd like to do my BFR with you...

[@NEROAviation]

It would be my pleasure to do your BFR!

[@13shandingo]

Nice job

[@NEROAviation]

Thanks, glad I didn’t miss my mark... I hardly ever get to do all the flying!

[@keith2964]

You said base when you turned crosswind. Have to deduct a point!😆

[@NEROAviation]

Dang it! That’s the problem with instructional videos you guys pay too close attention lol. Good catch ! Thanks !

[@ollopa1]

Had a neophyte controller the other day tell me to extend my upwind for landing traffic while I was abeam the numbers on downwind :)

[@StraightandLevelCFI]

Did he leave his carb heat on for the whole landing? I just always cycle it on he downwind so I have full power in case of go around

[@NEROAviation]

Yeah I leave it on for landing. If I go around “everything full forward” . Carb icing happens pretty quick in some aircraft so base and final at low rpm without carb heat can lead to a more dangerous situation than the 300 rpm reduction I would get on a go around if I forgot to push in the carb heat. I just do what the checklist suggests. On a Cessna 172 it says carb heat in on the go around... it’s super easy and not out of the way. A Beaver on the other hand you have to reach for it and it’s back in on final. Cessna 172 either way will work but I suggest the Cessna carb heat on for landing method simply because icing up on base to final and then dumping in power for a go around and killing the engine would not be fun to explain to the faa. Why weren’t you using carb heat ? Not to say that would ever happen to a Cessna 172 ... but I don’t know if it’s possible or not. If you have a warm can of air and you turn it upside down and spray it how long does it take to ice up ? Your way is totally normal and lots of people use it, and teach it.

[@StraightandLevelCFI]

@@NEROAviation I just flew with an instructor a few days ago and he confirmed the same thing you are saying. Apparently it is very airplane specific. When I learned in a Cherokee it is recommended to just cycle the carb heat but for the carburetor on the 172s you should leave it in. Thanks for the info. Great video.

[@Fraiyia]

On a short field shouldn’t you pull flaps and aero brake with the elevators ?

[@NEROAviation]

Simulate flaps up , back elevator and simulated max breaking should all have been done.

[@NEROAviation]

Thanks for watching !

[@andrerovigatti9997]

Gosh ! What a noise !

[@NEROAviation]

Cfi check ride prep... if your doing it say it. I have very few thoughts that don’t get said lol. I’m actually shy, and when I was trying for my cfi they said “you need to talk more” lol . Thanks for watching!