Short Row Substitutions

[@kirawhite3225]

Thank you for saving me from further headaches with substituting JSR in place of W&T short rows. So glad I found you!

[@carolwells5794]

This is exactly the type of explanation I was looking for. Thank you for taking us not just through the how-to for each specific technique (nicely done in your preceding video) but going on to explain how they actually manifest when working the fabric. Your "formula" for each method (at 4:00 in the video) is just perfect! Thanks again.

[@RoxanneRichardson]

I'm so glad you found the explanation you were looking for in this video! :-)

[@katharinar5644]

Thank you, you leveled up my knitting 🙏🏼 This is one of my most revisited knitting videos and I have screenshots of your great charts and explanations on every device, so they are always in reach 😄💗🧶 Best wishes and greetings from Germany 👋

[@RoxanneRichardson]

Wonderful!

[@khokho66]

I have been wondering about this for years. First video that actually tackles this, thank you so much!

[@annikahedin7280]

Thank u so much This is exactly what i ve been wondering about for so long Your technique videos are so good

[@rachelaleece]

This video is invaluable thank you thank you. I'm trying to learn wrap and turns but this short row series has helped so much

[@8531022]

...and Roxanne saves my sanity AGAIN!!! ☺️

[@knittinninja]

Roxanne, you've become my go-to knitting guru! 10 months ago I tried my hand at stranded footwork amidst much fear of the technique. Your videos saved me and addressed issues I didn't even consider could be at play. Now I'm making a fair isle sweater that calls for short rows, which I've never done before. The pattern is unclear, so to Roxanne's channel I go! You deserve so many more views, I almost feel like your channel and Staci Perry's should be featured on Ravelry somewhere.

[@elizabethf.stabler4490]

Thank you for your very clear explanations, charts and summaries. Today your excellent videos became a refresher (and updating) home workshop.

[@marsy1480]

Very helpful. Thank you.

[@willster28]

You are godsend!!! Im gonna a beast thanks to you!!!

[@nightnina4298]

Great job, very clearly explained. Thanks

[@sharontumiati7233]

Hi Roxanne, I am trying to figure out how to do short rows on a 'fancy' garter stitch pattern base, but can't seem to keep the pattern. Can you tell me if it's possible to keep the pattern, or if I'll always go out of pattern with the short rows? The pattern is four rows R1, * slip one purlwise, purl, * repeat R2, purl to end, R3, *purl, slip one purlwise,* repeat, R4, purl to end. It's my first time not knitting stockinette😁😁, so I don't know if I'm doing something wrong, or it's just not possible. I've tried Japanese SR, wrap and turn and just plain turning the work (since it's a dense garter stitch base), and everything stands out like a purple pig.

[@jodibloom1328]

Hi There. It's wonderful that there are so many short row options. I prefer German. I have a pattern that calls for something that was new to me, and not included in your video... Sunday short rows. After looking at it, I believe it is very similar to Japanese. If that is the case, I am wondering how to sub German shorts for Sunday shorts... would it be the same as subbing for Japanese? (ie, these are all in the same "category" of short rows? Thanks for any help!!

[@RoxanneRichardson]

German and Japanese short rows produce the same result through different processes, so if you believe that Sunday short rows are in the same category as Japanese short rows, then you would make the same substitution for German short rows.

[@debbiemraz2650]

I am following a baby cardigan pattern that is a little confusing to me when it comes to the German short row, starting from the 1st short row. 1st short row: k to stm,yo,k stm,yo,k to stm,yo, k stm,yo,k16,1 turning-st,turn. [This last part where it says 1 turning-st,turn] 2nd short row: slip turning-st to right hand needle,p10,1 turning-st,turn. I am only familiar with ds German short rows. When I tried to do the ds method at the end of the section I was short 6 sts. Count should of been 108, I had 102sts Can you help with this ty. Just so you know the cardigan is top down and is raglan.Has eyelets either side of the raglan as increases. 🙏

[@GZDesigns]

Thank you so much for spelling it out for all of us Roxanne. I am working on a pattern that involves short row shaping and have been looking for best ways to chart them. Is there a standard notation for different types of short rows? Are the symbols you use in your charts your own?

[@kellyhipkins5616]

But what can you use instead of wrap n turn

[@raquellak6551]

A little while back, on one of my first ventures into short rows, I previously substituted in GSR for W&T (in the Butterfly Shawl) by essentially working the stitch that would have been wrapped and pulling that up to create the double stitch. Since this was a shawl, and I did this consistently for the whole wrap, my end result was still good- I may have unknowingly ended up with slightly larger wedges than it would have with W&T. I suppose in a garment, mixing this up could get a wider short row section than the pattern is written for, is that right?

[@RoxanneRichardson]

The way the instructions are presented determines whether you end up with something slightly wider or exactly the same. GSRs create a different transition at the turning point than W&T, so having the turning point moved over by one stitch won't matter in many cases. In other cases, not only is the exact location important, but the type of short row technique used is important, as well.

[@raquellak6551]

@@RoxanneRichardson I see, so needs to be considered more on a case by case basis. Thanks for the reply!

[@elainebos]

To substitute German Short Row for W & T, how would this patten example be written? I still don’t quite understand it. This example is for wedges that create a sphere when done. Row 1: S1, k17, wrap next st and tun. Row2: K8, wrap next st and turn Row3: K8 knit next st tog with wrap, K2, wrap and turn Row 4: K11, knit next st tog with wrap, k2, wrap and turn

[@sophiy96]

but how do I substitute german short rows for a shadow wrap or a wrap and turn? this only explains how to sub the "anchor a loop of yarn family" with the "turn and slip family" I want to do it the other way around

[@RoxanneRichardson]

Do the same exercise of charting out where the original instructions state to place the turns, and therefore where to place your substitute technique.

[@mjbcoffee16]

Have you ever come across PULT short rows? It's much like shadow short row, but the mother stitch that is picked up is not knitted through. It just sits with the daughter stitch. Then, worked together on the return. I'd rather substitute German short rows for this technic!

[@RoxanneRichardson]

Anything that works for you is the right way to go. Some methods work really well in some situations, but not others. While I have my preferences, I do occasionally use an alternative method in specific situations.

[@earndoggy]

I used German short rows on a Shaker dishcloth and while I was able to fudge the turns the double stitches did not lie flat and left an ugly strip down the fabric.

[@RoxanneRichardson]

You may not have worked the technique correctly. :-) It shouldn't lie any worse than any other short row technique, and in many cases, it will lie better, because of the 4-3-2 transition, rather than a 4-2 transition.

[@earndoggy]

That is entirely possible ! I will have to double check (pun intended). :-)

[@machellehelms9967]

I have a book that tried to explain this, but it did not click. Thank you for the great visual explanation!

[@RoxanneRichardson]

I'm so glad it finally clicked for you! :-)