Other companies need to take note! - Fairphone Fairbuds XL

[@Sivah_Akash]

Fun fact: Keeping my current "non-sustainable" headphones is more sustainable than buying a new sustainable headphone!

[@gotoastal]

Don’t buy a Fairphone then, because they removed their 3.5mm headphone jack to force you into buying new headphones.

[@odeiraoloap]

​@@gotoastal instead of buying a *3.5mm to type C adapter* that you can take on and off so you can use it on LITERALLY ANY DEVICE with a Type C port? Isn't that a win-win for usability with ancient stuff with a 3.5 port and new stuff without?

[@gotoastal]

@@odeiraoloap By “ancient” you mean “simple & reliable”? You don’t need anything as complex as USB-C to just deliver audio. It’s not like there is a quality, bandwidth, or latency limitation that warrants a upgrade to the spec like moving from USB 1.0 up to USB4 when it comes to the signal. It can have the advantage when the built-in DAC is low quality, but there are still two objections I have to this. 1) many devices, especially phones, only offer 1 USB-C port and this can often times make you choose between audio or power delivery while older devices don’t have USB-C at all even if they function fine (since the topic is sustainability). 2) audio is such a primary peripheral that it’s ubiquity has carried the jack across decades, and being as small and cheap as it is to include, there hasn’t been much of a reason to seek an alternative. The current push for USB-C was fabricated by phone manufacturers; they don’t take up a lot of space, they’re not difficult to waterproof, they allow users to continue using their perfectly fine current hardware--but it _does_ give manufacturers an excuse to artificially force users to buy new products.

[@jashelps]

@@odeiraoloap These have been proven over and over to break easily/break your port easily as this was not what the usb c port was made for. The 3.5mm jack has been designed to be EXTREMELY durable hence why its a cylinder that can rotate to relieve one of the biggest forms of cable stress that wrecks usb c headphone adapter

[@LuminousSpace]

so true, using my shp for 3 years now, i guess it is sustainable

[@serabc98]

It's nice to see a repairable bluetooth headphones, but being honest if you want an long lasting, more environment friendly headphones, a good wired one are the best. Less parts to break an good sound that you can use for decades.

[@papervws]

for sure. I use IEM’s (in ear monitors) with detachable cables, and I attach them to a bluetooth receiver. That way both the cable and the bluetooth receiver can be replaced separately if the battery goes bad - means I shouldn’t have to buy actual new buds for a very long time.

[@gotoastal]

But Fairphone removed the 3.5mm headphone jack on their phones for “sustainability” 🤡

[@odeiraoloap]

That's not going to fix the *UNsustainable* and earth-destroying way CURRENT bluetooth earbuds/phones are being made, similar to how FairPHONE is trying to change the unsustainable and earth-destroying smartphone manufacturing process. Also, it's practically IMPOSSIBLE to have wired earphones and have good *active noise cancellation.* You're gonna have to put a battery on the thing to power the ANC-ing microphones, it's only one step away from turning them into bluetooth cans.

[@stiegelzeine2186]

@@odeiraoloap it is if everyone would use wired there would be no e-waste and imagine being such a sheep that you believe „fair“phone even tries to change it they only care about money because they’re capitalist scums

[@jameshasseriousedoubtsabou560]

True! Wired headphones are also so easy to repair. Recently replaced the headband, ear cups and cable on my dt880s and now they are good for another 7+ years

[@NFMorley]

To be fair, a lot of higher end headphones are quite repairable and have widely available parts. For example, I've repaired sets from Beyerdynamic and Sennheiser in the past, and they both had pretty extensive varieties of parts available for reasonable prices (inc older models too).

[@konishiwoi]

Yeah but those (your senn and Beyer) are not the same market as beats, boses, Sony whx0392919 and stuff, which are a pain to repair tho possible only thanks to the sheer amount of units in circulation

[@thaddaeusareswolf]

I mean beats, Sony and bouse costs about the same as most Sennheiser and Beyer headphones. Yeah the highest end costs like 600+ but most are in the 150-450 range same as Sony etc. Sony could make them repairable they just don't. Heck Sennheisers drop headphones are $200 and are amazing for their price and are repairable.

[@Smothtiger]

When it comes to modular design to headphones, TMA-2 by aiaiai comes to mind. Quite a few parts to make it to your liking. I have yet not found if the wireless module has replacable battery like Fairphone has on the XL. Battery usually the part that dies first in my wireless headphones.

[@TalesOfWar]

@@Smothtiger The battery is also the most dangerous part of the product. If you screw it up replacing it or use a less than reputable replacement it can explode or set on fire... I don't have to explain why that's a bad thing when it's in your years or on your head.

[@ruekurei88]

Yup, along with extensive documentation on mods as well for more popular headphones and brands. I just use bluetooth receivers with my wired headphones. Basically anyone can fix a headphone, a bluetooth one is going to be more tricky depending on what's actually wrong.

[@Kytetiger]

01:43 lol at the little explosion 😂

[@TehAlekzi]

I've replaced a battery once on a wireless headset and the job wasn't hard at all, had to unscrew 3 triangle head screws and solder 3 wires. The difficult part about it was that the headset used 603040 1S2P battery, which was a bit odd 2 cell configuration and you couldn't buy that particular battery anywhere anymore. I guess that's how they got the higher capacity on them back then when there wasn't too many different battery sizes. I just measured the battery compartment and ordered as big of a battery that would fit and it also had to have the thermistor. And they've worked for a couple of months now when I occasionally use them.

[@Som09mer]

Can't wait to see them on Dankpods Plus repair after 1 Grit hit them

[@Nicros21]

Gesundheit as they've shown means Health but also means "Bless you" when someone sneezes

[@hananas2]

I can't believe no one else has done replaceable batteries on wireless headphones, that's already like the biggest thing to make them last longer (in combination with replaceable ear pads but that's pretty standard) Which is also why companies don't wanna do it cuz people buy less new headphones.. :(

[@MrNagano00]

Yep. It's pretty easy to believe, making them have a user replaceable battery would be easy but it would mean you turn a 4 year cycle product into 6-7. Completely unacceptable!

[@SecretAsianMan2222]

Imagine posting content to KZbin before Floatplane where people pay to see things first, or at least commercial free.

[@joolz999]

This is repairable which is great! I'm not sure about you guys, but I've never broken a wireless pair of headphones. The only wired pair I had were the m50x with detachable cables. I say this because will this company even exist in 10 years to supply the part you need? Audio products for me seem to just keep going and going.

[@standapp9172]

Good audio remains good, if the audio quality is all you care about then if you like these now you'll like them in 20 years as well. As for the parts, most are easy to find from other companies. The batteries for example look pretty standard to me and can be found elsewhere. The logic board is proprietary, but given their track record as a company I don't see how they won't just make the designs open source if they can't produce them anymore. I suspect the 3D printing community and PCB designers are gonna have a field day with this one anyway, if it sells well enough

[@qlum]

Just for some correction, the price is € 249 which includes vat, assuming the Dutch vat that would be $ 223, not $ 270. A common error, but still.

[@DooMMasteR]

yeah I also wondered, and sure, 19% VAT included....

[@rachmanfachri]

the Vsauce reference is already on point IF ONLY the editor use footage from the front-facing camera

[@pldcanfly]

Thats why I love Beyerdynamics. Great Sound, built like a tank, and you can order many many replacementsparts from them. It helps that their design is prolly old enough to drink at this point. And as a user of the Fairphone 4 I can say I am very happy with what they do. It works like a charm, and does what it should. Might not be the most impressive hardware or the best speakers or the crispest screen, but... if I want to play games I have a PC, if I want to listen to music and sink into it I have headphones, if I need to watch movies in great quality I watch them on a tv. For everything else its more then enough. Their pragmatic "no frills or tyos, just what you need, sourced fairly" is so great. I am a fan.

[@0106johnny]

The designs kids are getting old enough to drink by now

[@gotoastal]

We've seen this before. Company removes headphone jack from its phone, then releases branded headphones. You know what doesn’t need battery replacements or firmware updates? Wired analog headphones.

[@carl2k6]

Fun fact: The Saying "Gesundheit" inherits from: I want health (for myself). As, I don't want to get whatever you have

[@famrofexl]

The best type of sustainability is a sustainable product. Being all plastic, the Fairbuds fail at being a reliable device. Just because your product is repairable doesn't mean repair should be a regular thing. I would much rather see a quality plastic casing for the driver shell (no recyclables if they negatively impact the longevity) and a metal headband for reliability. Quality drivers are a must for a sustainable product, because in order for them to not end up in the waste in a few years, the sound quality has to be good enough so the user doesn't feel like they need an upgrade. The replaceable battery and USB-C attached drivers are a great feature, and it would be nice if it were implemented on a pair of less disposable headphones. Overall, some of their ideas are conceptually good, but it would be better if they were implemented on a more reliable and desirable product that was designed for people instead of the environment.

[@lefixes]

In cases where the manufacturer says they have replacement parts I would like to see how many pieces out of the device can be purchased and the total cost of getting every part to make a new device. Sure you can get an iPhone screen replacement part for a broken touchscreen but it costs as much as a different phone

[@mathiashakonsson2448]

I would recommend AIAIAI TMA-2 for swappable parts

[@NENathaniel]

Will we see measurements for the other EQ Presets?

[@TDRN1]

I've been repairing my beyerdynamic dt 770 pros with genuine parts from their store for 7 years, talking about sustainability

[@psyplops]

I wish they would sell their stuff in North America

[@johnqsak]

1:59 " No extra fabric" few seconds later... " Oh nice a bag, PLUS a giant paper manual" These companies are silly. bassacwards packaging.

[@SewerShark]

Love the vSauce reference

[@Napert]

now all that's missing is a removable cable

[@e21big]

I wish we just go back to the good old AAA battery, it can be rechargable and it's extremely easily replacable. You probably don't even need that big of a battery, maybe just a single AAA and just pop-in a new one whenever it die. I hate this trend of Lion everything battery when you don't even need to.

[@phr3dmcc0y]

maybe buy the unit and upgrade the drivers later?

[@carnsoaks1]

Great video Plouffe.

[@BobSentell]

Good thing they sent you a screwdriver as you likely didn't have any lying around.

[@zen3418]

Adam struggled because he didn't watch Fairphone's instruction videos. Shout out for their simple and easy to understand videos

[@noxiousophidian9634]

I'd jump on board if it had LDAC !!

[@Etheoma]

£220, if they were like £100 I could do it, given the reparability angle I could go for £150, but usually my limit for headphones is £100 and like to be fair like really all that needs to be replaceable is the battery, the ear cups and the foam that protects the driver, everything else seems a little gimmicky. Like honestly just make the battery replaceable, bring the cost down to £150 and improve the performance a bit and you they would have a sale.

[@louismiles2340]

That’s the cost of paying the workers a living wage, IMO it’s worth it if I can just buy a new battery after a few years instead of a new headset.

[@Okararu]

They could already bring the cost down by using materials mined by slaves like everyone with cheaper prices does. It's your choice though

[@Etheoma]

@@louismiles2340 The inflation is the cost of goods to pay a decent wage isn't actually that much FYI. Like it's like a ~7.5% increase in cost of your average consumer good.

[@viviusgaming]

9:55 thats why its called amsterdam

[@hop-skip-ouch8798]

Good review, James.

[@sprayartist8459]

This device should be more popular

[@ubacow7109]

The future of wireless is wired....

[@Ctuchik]

Vegal leather..... That made me giggle.

[@ConnorHammond]

If you want actual sustainable headphones, get cabled ones. They're one of many products that have more benefits than their wireless, trendy counterparts.

[@schebbigerkotmann]

Ive Had aiaiai TMAs since forever, and these are basically the same concept; and the aiaiai tmas have been out for more than 10 yeats by now i think

[@PhilipeGamer]

Here in Brazil we have a headphone called Kuba Disco and it's from a local company. It's a fully modular headset, and you can swap and fix everything like the drivers, ear cups, cables, and even the headband. In 2023 they will launch a headband with a bluetooth module and if you already have the headset, you can only buy the bluetooth headband. Plus it's a good headphone and musicians love it.

[@otalbigua]

Came here to see anyone citing kuba disco :)

[@CarlosLins1]

It's really great, have mine for 2 years

[@otalbigua]

I've bought the Bluetooth version on preorder

[@trowawayacc]

Dam son. Thanks for this.!

[@ajbp95]

Wow!

[@BattleBear96]

A latency test for a Windows machine would be awesome

[@BladeWalker91]

I doubt they are good for competitive FPS, if they don't advertise low latency they probably weren't going for it

[@5urg3x]

I think any bluetooth audio device is going to have latency problems unless a low latency codec is used? IDK, that's how it was back in the day. You had to use aptx low latency, otherwise there would be sync problems. I also remember that Apple devices will automatically fix the sync issues in music and videos, but I don't think it worked well for gaming,

[@Username-qx9gk]

They claim analog audio is possible over the usb-c (cables not included)

[@itslaredo6771]

Ye

[@BattleBear96]

@@DarkTrapStudio Intel AX200 has quite a wide adoption i think (my notebook and my ASUS Crosshair Impact use this wireless chipset)

[@MegaDmanX]

Oh boy, I hope the 3D printing community finds out about these, it would be awesome to see what people come up with 😮

[@aronseptianto8142]

there's already a 3D printable headphone kit, it's mostly wired tho

[@Detank2002]

Trust me dude they will

[@2nd3rd1st]

Transparent parts!

[@GinsuSher]

3d printed headphones or replacement parts already exist.

[@GonnerMeLeggies]

Yeah my wife constantly breaks her headphones. Any of them that I can 3d print parts for would save me a fortune

[@Sassi7997]

Small correction on the price: European retail prices always include VAT which is - depending on the country - somewhere around 15% and 27%, on average 20% VAT. That means the Fairbuds XL would cost 250€ incl. VAT, 208€ excl. VAT, or USD 225 plus your local sales tax.

[@einstijn138]

Completely correct. They should mention this in the video. In this case it's a Dutch company, so 21% VAT. That makes it €205.79 or $220.82.

[@Zetraxes]

The beginning where you explained why names are irrelevant and full of marketing deception was amazing keep up the great videos

[@PoringPoring951]

If I can upvote your comments twice, I would up vote thrice. Well said.

[@pandasdreamlygon]

worst annoying voice

[@coleG112]

It’s always felt *particularly* irrelevant and deceptive in audio-related markets tbh

[@Sinaeb]

When there's a term There's a term If you use a term incorrectly You are either intentionally misleading, or you are just bad In both cases, that reflects on the quality of the products, as in, lying = bad.

[@9an13l]

​@@Sinaebtelling us you're on the spectrum without telling us you're on the spectrum

[@Nubrigtube]

Can I just say how sensible the joystick is for headphones instead of any touch oriented navigation? Having had similar headphones (Urbanears Pampas) with a joystick for controls is something I've wanted other companies to use as well. Especially if the joystick itself is repairable/replaceable. Physical controls will always be better than touch controls.

[@ajbp95]

So true! I have a pair from Sony and the touch part is not great. It's easy to change track instead of volume, and the holding of your whole hand over one of the cups to get a fast transparency mode is a good idea in theory but when it keeps activating when I lay on my side it's just annoying!

[@josephpmcl1241]

Agreed, touch controls are annoying and an unnecessary technology in headphone controls, especially when buttons are so handy

[@opticalmoose8091]

I thought this feature was exclusive to Marshall on/over-ears. Truly awesome UX with a little joystick knob.

[@jordi95]

The easy to replace battery is a Huge Plus , you can buy a 2nd one and have it charged and just change the battery when it gets low

[@erikpoephoofd]

Or just recharge it once a while?

[@jamztiberius68]

If you have two just swap the headphones. Why bother with the battery?

[@erikpoephoofd]

Carrying a loose battery is a bad idea. If it shorts, you've got a fire. Just carry a powerbank and charge the headphones. Just a few minutes on the powerbank will give you hours of juice.

[@jordi95]

@@erikpoephoofd Just the fact that you cab change the battery whenever you want makes the headphones las much longer, changing the battery on a headphone which hasn't been designed for it is a hassle

[@erikpoephoofd]

@@jordi95 Yeah it's an absolute game changer for product longevity and should be widely celebrated! Swapping it on the go just doesn't have that many advantages over topping the battery off quickly with a powerbank

[@JoFreddieRevDr]

Yet again you make me doubt your ability to review headphones, most studio monitor headphone that sound engineers use are closed back, if there was a problem with the soundstage that would not be the case! Just google "studio monitor headphones"

[@rikwisselink-bijker]

One important thing to note is that European companies (almost) always show prices including VAT, because that is what you will pay as a consumer. As far as I'm aware Murrica is one of the few places that shows prices without VAT as a default. So that price will probably be lower than just the conversion, depending on the VAT of the place you order.

[@Thatoneguy-o7805]

That's partly because it varies widely. Each state sets it's own base level and counties within a state can add on top of that. For instance I can pay between 6% and 8% within an few hours drive.

[@einstijn138]

Yeah they should mention that. The €249 includes 21% VAT, so excl. tax it's €205.79 or $220.82, instead of the $270 metioned in the video

[@Kokurorokuko]

​@@Thatoneguy-o7805then why doesn't this apply to Europe?

[@jono6379]

Id like to see graphs in future show how eq presets affect the sound curve.

[@corgistaniel1150]

Same, right now we don't even know which preset the FR graph represents

[@5urg3x]

They missed a huge opportunity to call them "Fairpods" LOL...Apple would've been so mad :D

[@KptnAutismus]

My idea would be "Fairphones"

[@Supermath101]

​@@KptnAutismusHard to distinguish that naming scheme from their main product.

[@5urg3x]

@@Supermath101 What do you mean? Apple’s products? Yeah I know. Lawsuit in the making. Still would’ve been hilarious. And since they don’t even sell to the North American market anyway, maybe it would have worked.

[@Supermath101]

@surgeyX I was referring to the first reply to your comment. "Fairphones" (headphones) sounds too similar to the "Fairphone" (smartphone).

[@5urg3x]

@@Supermath101 Oh

[@Neoxon619]

Considering the price, I was honestly expecting a little better when it came to noise canceling. But I do appreciate how easily repairable it is.

[@lilyemma3382]

unfortunately making sustainable devices is much much more complicated and much more expensive than normal products, and so is making products as a much smaller company. they're just not able to match the performance of other headphones at this price, the same as the fairphone is nowhere near the performance and quality of other phones at that price sadly

[@jono6379]

I do wonder if they will offer upgrades in the future. Could be cool to see them iterate and offer some improved drivers or better ear pads.

[@autodidact7127]

​@@jono6379did you hear it?

[@DOGMA1138]

@@lilyemma3382 These products aren't sustainable in any way, they had major design flaws with FP1 and instead of fixing them and providing replacement motherboards they just quickly discontinued it, FP2 replacement parts were also quickly discontinued. For FP3 and FP4 only a handful of replacement parts are available and for things that usually do not get damaged, there are no replacement motherboards available and not schematics you have to use their repair service if you need to replace a motherboard. The price for most replacement parts is also pretty atrocious even when compared to iPhones.

[@Entertainment-]

Get a pair of Beyerdynamic or Sennheiser. They have manuals and official replacement parts as well.

[@marx252]

I loved the Vsauce opening lol. So fitting, and I'm shocked it's taken so long.

[@Wychfyre_]

Cant believe i had to scroll so far to see someone mention this

[@Furiousme]

@@Wychfyre_ This!!!!!!

[@franzferdinand5810]

God, I love how much Adam has grown. He has full on Linus energy now

[@TR-qf2gt]

and even drops TheNeedleDrop references full on lol 😅

[@TheNiteNinja19]

I would imagine the workplace atmosphere is positive like that and it's probably very contagious.

[@esond]

You have no idea.

[@ferrousmcgarrus3431]

This comment is creepy.

[@TR-qf2gt]

@@ferrousmcgarrus3431 how tho? they’re talking about Adam’s growth as ahost

[@arethunessamsonsen6245]

I reviewed these last week, and gave them 8 out of 10. Also, note that many headphones' ANC will let human voices through by design, so people can talk to you while the ANC is on. Also, all the parts are available as spare parts, except for the circuit board, so you canæ't build it yourself.

[@jonathancormack]

Who are you?

[@reddwhite4376]

Can we read or watch that review?

[@arethunessamsonsen6245]

@@jonathancormack Norwegian tech journbalist.

[@rydude998]

What are you talking about "by design"? No one wants ANC that allows human voices to pass through, the entire point is to noise-cancel ambient chatter not just low-frequency hums on an airplane.

[@timschulz9563]

​@@rydude998 That's definitely a feature and not a bug! /s

[@phoenux3986]

Honestly, these seem pretty great. I'd be willing to pay a bit of a premium for a pair of headphones even if they weren't the best at their price range just for the repairability factor. I've had so many headphones give out on me that just ended up sitting around the house or straight into the trash it's ridiculous. Plus supporting the concept of better repairability/reusing resources is always a huge plus in my book

[@phoenux3986]

Though the lack of an actual eq is a bit disppointing. Hopefully that gets added soon.

[@alessandrolira4035]

Then don’t buy fairphone then. Building one one these crap Bluetooth fairphones is far less environmentally friendly than just adding a headphone jack in. Which is something they removed to get you to buy these to think you’re “helping” the environment. But it just becomes a more contrived way of NOT doing that...

[@sporemaster97]

@@alessandrolira4035 You can use the Type C connector to use them as a wired set though. Windows natively supports Type C audio, as my mobo has a C port, and I connected a C to 3.5mm adapter just to see and it immediately worked as an output. Worst case you get a USB A to C adapter, oh no, the horror.

[@pentacosttb2565]

Being able to replace the battery is good, but needing batteries at all because they removed the headphone jack is still unforgivable for a company claiming to care about the environment. Lithium batteries are absolutely poisonous and nothing using them can truly claim to be environmentally friendly. You can use as many recycled materials and lower your carbon as much as you like, but Lithium batteries are far worse at every stage than anything else, from extraction, refinement, manufacturing and disposal, they are just abominable.

[@gabrielebartoli]

You can drive them passively with a USB-C to 3.5mm cable

[@gotoastal]

​@@gabrielebartoliyou have to choose between charging or audio why? You have to by a small, easy-to-lose dongle cable why?

[@gabrielebartoli]

@@gotoastal It's not a small dongle, it's a full cable. Regarding the charging + listening use case, I don't have an answer for you.

[@radimbastan]

The Needle Drop reference was unexpected :D

[@felix123418]

You made a mistake with the conversion of the price for the Fairbuds XL. Considering the american price it is quite sheaper with 225-230 USD at the current exchange rate. That's because we include the tax in Germany (19% MwSt) which makes up about 16% of the total price.

[@HUKJR]

This already existed for years: Repeat Audio (formerly called Gerrard Street) which even comes with a lifetime free replacement parts warranty and you can send them back your old parts to be recycled. Source: I got one straight from the beginning and have already had two ear cups replacement so far. :)

[@joz534]

thanks for mentioning them. Company, and product, look very interesting. Definitivelly will consider them.

[@tjeulink]

thats a different product though. no fairtrade parts, no recycling, removable battery, etc. and no IP rating.

[@Entertainment-]

Also Beyerdynamic and Sennheiser. You can still get replacement parts from headphones you bought in 1980

[@tjeulink]

@@Entertainment- you're compating passive things to active noise canceling wireless headphones. Its a bit apples to oranges.

[@trowawayacc]

🏅🏅 take this poor man gold. awsome sugestion.

[@takatatsura]

Even though some companies that do this already exists for a while, it's important to have a more "know" one do this kind of product. Also, if you're from Brazil (or have a way to buy from there) there is a company called Kuba Audio that makes a headphone like this (no ANC sadly and the wireless version is very recent yet).

[@Tman20rox]

One interesting thing is if in the future they’d sell parts so you can upgrade the headphones. Kinda like how with a framework you can upgrade the motherboard and stuff. Maybe you use them for 5 years and somethings wrong with the sound and instead of just buying the replacement part you buy the better quality replacement part.

[@LutraLovegood]

Audio hasn't changed much in the last 50 years, so don't expect much better 5 years down the line.

[@jriver226]

LMG with labs should start working on a green rating for products to tell us how green packing and product are

[@Aretraes]

Design headphones with cheap material that will easily break, but make it palatable by labeling it as eco friendly Make it repairable to profit from the inevitable breaks. A fully plastic headband? yikes. Reviewers swallow the eco friendly pill and praise scummy business model.

[@TheBismrk]

For a company who's all about sustainability, they *really* hate headphone jacks...

[@keonxd8918]

Yeah, they lost all credibility by removing it. Really shows what their priorities still are, profit

[@odeiraoloap]

Just get a 3.5mm to type C adapter so you can keep using your wired earphones with or without that port until the Sun swallows the Earth (i.e., become totally future proof) instead of whining about the loss of an ancient port.

[@LuminousSpace]

@@odeiraoloap then it wouldnt be sustainable anymore, u need to buy another thing to compensate for another, we dont want to throw away old devices too, that is the point of sustainability

[@Okararu]

@@LuminousSpace well or, hear me out, use the bluetooth connection of the bluetooth headphones. I know, it sounds crazy, but it might really work! You could listen to music without a cable! Insane, isn't it?

[@ch4.hayabusa]

7:30 "I love talking. I'm not going too stop talking. You cannot stop me from talking" -Jake, LTT 2023

[@jpolish420]

If you don't have top tier sound, regardless of your gimmick, you won't be successful charging top tier prices.

[@prag_un]

9:29 Adam is a melon fan

[@Petar120]

I don't see a point in creating these "fair headphoes" because let's be real if you plan on buying good headphones that will last you 10+ years all you need are 2(or more) more pairs of replacement pads, never heard that electronics failed in them especially when you're spending more money for higher end ones, also replaceable batteries is fine i guess but if you want quality you won't even go wireless sooooo

[@Kudejikashi]

framework and fairphone hopefully change industry standards

[@Dranzell]

They won't. They're just marketing gimmicks. By the time people actually need to repair their stuff, usually the technology has moved so far forward that they will want to upgrade.

[@keonxd8918]

95% of world wide consumers don't care about repairability sadly.

[@gotoastal]

Framework still only offers bad display panels and no upgrades. Fairphone removed then headphone jack and then turned around to sell you headphones. *Needs improvement.*

[@Reilaos]

AIAIAI has existed in this sort of space for a while, but they don't do ANC, which is unfortunate.

[@DoublesC]

No headphone jack... I am not interested.

[@c.j.hatton]

9:36 - I think the Amsterdam setting was made for EDM; EDM is very popular in the Netherlands

[@VigneshBalasubramaniam]

No headphone jack on these, and no headphone jack on Fairphones. That's when they lost me.

[@rollingtroll]

People calling headphone buds is what lead us to people calling a both line-input and a line-output an 'aux port'. Stick to the terminology otherwise people who actually know a thing won't have a clue what you are on about. Vsauce AND Anthony Fantano references? This is almost a collab! Those apps with presets, hopeless. Often they already do stuff when they are turned off. I have a pair of cheap Sennheiser HD250BT's which sound remarkably refined and pleasant when used 'as is'. Install the app and they sound like Sennheisers; Boomy and metallic. They accidentally made great headphones and then ruined them with an app. Not installing the App solves the whole problem :). It's not that hard folks, they either sound good, or they don't. If you need an EQ to make them work, they are shit headphones. That said, this is not for me anyway; I really don't like ANC, and while I love the practicality of bluetooth you'd have to use an incredible DAC to make bluetooth sound 'good'. So I'm usually happy with affordable BT headphones, and I'll used wired ones for serious listening. Good video, and from what I can tell; not great headphones. Love their ideals but for 249 bucks you can buy a pair of ATH-M50x with a USB-C/lightning adapter AND a pair of Sennheiser HD-250BT. It's just a more sensible approach. And if you want to save the environment, do as I do, buy second hand.

[@danieljames500]

i don’t really like the fairphone company. sure their products are repairable, but they’re also just not as good. the phones use old parts, have big bezels, and overall just seem cheap to me but cost a decent amount for what you’re getting. these headphones, my first thought was the sound quality won’t be great and that seems to be confirmed, just because SO much goes into making good headphones and to claim “superior sound” (superior to what?) just makes it seem like a cheap quality product trying to make it look better. now to be clear, i don’t dislike the idea. framework is absolutely awesome and if i need to get a new laptop in the next couple years, i’m definitely gonna be looking at the new 16” coming out soon. the thing is they still make good products that are absolutely comparable to the competition. they don’t cheap out on design, the interior is easily repairable but still extremely compact and even visually well designed, no cheap green circuit boards etc. not saying a good looking pcb is necessary, just that they pay such close attention to make every aspect of their product appealing and don’t use their goal of making it sustainable as an excuse to release a mediocre product which is the vibe i get from fairphone. it’s not a great product, it cost more than you should be paying for it, but it’s sustainable and i don’t like that

[@Okararu]

don't forget that you also help that everyone in the production chain gets payed a fair wage. That's also a major aspect of FairPhone that many people here seem to forget.

[@arthurpendragon8192]

headphones have a strap/band to go over your head....earbuds/pods do not and usually are wireless in this day and age.

[@sergeymelkumov9232]

Just like with Fairphone review, you keep forgetting that they are not only using sustainable materials but also Fairtrade certified. In plain English, in Chinese factories where the same stuff is made for all brands, workers get higher salary per hour when they assemble Fairbuds compare to any other brand . This is done to match livable wage in China and not just minimum wage. This is why they are more expensive.

[@DerrickRG]

You ACTUALLY believe that? Lol. It's China, they can legally lie.

[@gotoastal]

How about the sustainability of headphones with less moving parts? No Bluetooth, no noise canceling (just a good seal). But they removed the 3.5mm headphone jack from their phones for “sustainability” so you can move from your old, “non-sustainable” headphones and consume and brand new pair from their company.

[@sergeymelkumov9232]

@@gotoastal good job completely missing my point.

[@sergeymelkumov9232]

@@gotoastal p.s. i don´t have to move anywhere, I owned fairphone4 since it was released and plan to stop using it only when it breaks (and not repairable at all). when my current headphones break, I might consider buying fairbuds. if a new model is out there it does not mean I absolutely have to buy it. this is European mentality, learn from it.

[@StolenJoker84]

Regarding replaceable batteries. It makes (some) sense that in-ear buds might not have easily replaceable batteries in them - given that there’s a LOT crammed into such a tiny space. However, any full-size headphone - on-ear and over-the-ear types - … there’s no reason why they don’t have replaceable batteries.

[@claudiobizama5603]

In therory, headphones aren't hard to repair as long as there are parts available. I hope these get some nice support and upgrades down the line. PS: They also offer TWS, but they arent repairable at all, which is a big shame.

[@Entertainment-]

Exactly, Beyerdynamic and Sennheiser have been doing it for decades

[@esaedvik]

@@Entertainment- Yeah, I have a pair of Sennheiser HD25sp headphones from 2001 and still going strong. Replaced like 2 cables and cups.

[@KopfdesRiesen]

It would be nice if there would be graphs for the different presets especially when there is no band eq.

[@GhostRyderFPV]

_"Names Mean Nothing"_ Thank you, Best Buy Vimeo Channel, I shall now take my Ferrari Elantra to the Whole Foods and say Walter sent me for the Mayonnaise. What do you mean this Mayo doesn't support PCIe 4?!

[@sturdybutter]

If they’re not going to supply a screwdriver for consumers they shouldn’t have sent one for reviewers.

[@平和-v1z]

Sad that they don't have a 3.5 mm jack... Looking forward to more sustainable tech from ShortCircuit!

[@Errcyco]

All joking aside.. if I could easily replace the drivers and batteries in my Bose overears.. I’d keep them another ten years. This is a fantastic idea and may actually take off cause it’s headphones. Headphones, I’m way more open to this kinda idea. My daily driver phone? No. Not so much. Good pickup, Godspeed Fairphone.

[@yuGtahT]

I wish they would just use real leather. I hate when people conflate _vegan_ and _green._ And don't hit me with that cows produce methane argument... Leather is much more durable, comfortable, and easy to recycle.

[@deRykcihC]

and... they removed headphone jack from fairphone 4 just to sell you a more repairable headphone

[@CJManning86]

A note on "Vegan Leather"... it's not just plastic. Look at companies like Fossil where they are using cactus, and even some of your older episodes where Linus talked about different animal hide replacements. Maybe it's just 'plastic' here, but you didn't specify and kind of just made it sound like vegan leather is shit by glancing by just saying plastic.

[@johnwohlheter601]

I think you could add up every pair of headphones i have ever bought and it wouldn't be as much as the $310 US price tag for these ugly green headphones. HARD PASS!

[@YashAtishay]

I think what fair phone is doing is really cool, I wish they would sell in India as well. my iPhone SE 2nd gen is 2 and a half years old now, when the time comes when I can't keep using it anymore, I would love to buy a fair phone over another iPhone

[@SreejithKSGupta]

Great... Now it's time for everyone who said they are waiting for a repairable earphone , and would buy them even if the sound quality was a little lower, to forget everything they said, and buy that shiny airpods MAX😂

[@AbsolutEden]

Way too expensive, dr770 or hd25 (professional studio monitoring headphones) are 150€ and 100% serviceable.

[@nvme1n1]

The eco friendly company that removed the headphone jack in order to sell you "sustainable" headphones that need lithium batteries instead of letting you use your already existing headphones and iems. It's nice they are repairable, but so are my wired beyerdynamics.

[@brianwoodcox9878]

Vegan leather has got to be the best rebrand of all time. IT IS PLASTIC. YOU CAN JUST CALL IT PLASTIC.

[@homi1001]

If someone sneezes in you say "Gesundheit!" and it is pretty much "bless you" in German, but the literal meaning is in fact "health" (in other context).

[@ssjaken]

Vegan Leather is typically laminated cotton/bamboo/similar material.

[@MrSupermugen]

i absolutely love the "recycled" shit these companies prance, ive seen how these Recycling places and i can bet they produce more toxic crap than a plastic producing manf does. the best way to go anti land fill is to use modular and easy to repair devices and they cant screw people on repair parts by pricing them at the point of "dont worry, just buy a new phone etc"

[@staticvoidmain]

downvoted just for the intro. i think it is not cool to spread incorrect information. i understand the point that terminilogies can sometimes mean nothing, but in this case it shouldn't be encouraged.

[@falenone11]

Finally wireless headphones that's not ewaste as soon as you buy them

[@aj0413_]

If it goes over the ears it’s a headphone, if it goes in the ear and has a wire it’s an IEM, if it’s wireless and goes in the ear it’s an earbud just cause marketing makes no sense doesn’t mean the community shouldn’t respect standardized language for ease of discussion; that was a bad argument, honestly

[@meta0269]

so super expensive, uncomfortable, badly adjustable, cheaply made, and unbalanced sound. oh and the anc sucks. great.

[@moriopl6176]

This dude thinks Bookshelf speakers are headphones too?