I’ve never seen anything like this before… - eero Max 7

[@ChrisRT6]

If companies want to add subscription services to everything the least they could do is make the subscriptions FUNCTION CORRECTLY.

[@frankie123456ization]

They could also just not have them...

[@mycelia_ow]

@@frankie123456ization I'd rather have them if it meant not paying 5x as much upfront

[@shrub9677]

@@frankie123456ization 'if the companies want to'

[@anth5189]

If everyone is forced to do it they have no reason to make anything work properly.

[@nitram1737]

@@anth5189 If they make it impossible to subscribe they dont get money from subscriptions...

[@Deses]

A router from Amazon with a subscription and an app... I don't want that anywhere close to me.

[@the_undead]

The subscription doesn't bother me anywhere near as much as the obvious frustration line is is having just trying to demo this product. I might not agree with the subscription but the failure to make it work tells me everything I need to know

[@ololh4xx]

i got one of the older models (v5) and i gotta say : noone needs to use the subscription, its basically useless anyway. The routers / APs themselves : probably the most stable, reliable, speedy devices i used in the past 20 years. You need pro-hardware if you want to compare them to anything, all other consumer stuff cannot compete. These are facts.

[@AmaraTheBarbarian]

I've been installing eero products for a while now because amazon made them super friendly (note: backend controllable) for their ISP customers. I absolutely hate them, but it comes down more to the way we have implemented them than anything else. They're forced on all new customers, so we're still using modem router combo units, disabling the router, then sending the lowest end eero to every customer, which is in some cases slower than the router built in to the modems. Then actually setting them up either A) forces the customer to have internet to set up their internet, or B) makes me set it up for them with that aforementioned backend access that I may or may not actually be able to get in to (because sometimes I don't have functional cellular service in some of the towns I have to work in, or my login info has expired). Nothing was wrong with being able to log in with a default name and password for service setup, nothing was wrong with using the built in router for basic service especially in small homes or apartments, but instead I'm having to put eeros in the houses of elderly folks that still haven't even considered owning a smartphone.

[@pilsplease7561]

I replaced my entire network with eero routers

[@PAPO1990]

Eh, apps can be quite useful for setting up, and configuring things for the less advanced user, I'm quite happy just using the web interface myself though, even on my fancy ASUS AP's that seem to have some cool features in the app, that I never use, though partly because all my ROUTING is done by a PFsense box :P

[@JohnAlzayat]

Linus spent half the video trying to subscribe to their service, this man gave it his absolute best and eero said no.

[@The_Keeper]

Maybe they should change their name to; Error.

[@playgame38]

Tried to give them money and they won’t take it

[@SystemError514]

@@The_Keeper You called? :)

[@jibcano1777]

Plot twist they knew it was Linus and blocked him

[@marksapollo]

Linus spent half the video ignoring the text shown to him as did most of his viewers. It clearly states check the verification email they send, like most fucking subscription services do.

[@ScottBalkum]

No subscriptions to products. Ever. Vote with your pockets folks..

[@Rickles]

Would love to see the lab put wifi 7 through some testing. 3gb right next to the AP is nice but what if it's in the next room, will it still be an impressive jump?

[@ccelik97]

You want the 6GHz stuff & Wi-Fi 7 mainly for lower latency connections that can actually replace ethernet cables for the consumers and even some prosumers. So, try not to have any concrete walls between your devices & access points. It's becoming more and more like "an access point per room if you want low latency + high speeds" at home and frankly, I'm down for it. Give it maybe about another year (yep, 24H2) and the energy efficiency of the more affordable "buy & go" consumer solutions will settle down OK as well.

[@foldionepapyrus3441]

That would be interesting, though odds are good the locations you know you want fast wireless is where you will fit your AP anyway even with the slower and longer range AP making that point somewhat less important. I'd be more interested in if it can keep up that sort of data rate against a background of other WiFi 7 traffic everywhere, the contestation for bandspace at least in the UK where houses are small and close together on average is quite noticeable at times.

[@09matiastube]

​@@ccelik97An access point in every room... Soo just using cable with extra and expensive steps?

[@ccelik97]

@@09matiastube Yes, you got it. And that's why if you're fine with your wired setups there's no need to pay for the new shit only to make them wireless now xd.

[@bubbledoubletrouble]

@@09matiastube So what model ethernet dongle do you use with your phone and/or tablet?

[@FHL-Devils]

It's a rare thing to see Linus get mad-mad, and not just stage-mad... and I'm all for it!

[@swlak516]

😂

[@jamesmartland5505]

Just a note at 10:45 the U: and the D: are the incorrect way around on the in-screen annotations, for all devices Reads U:3117 Mbps | D: 2754 Mbps Should Read: D:3117 Mbps | D: 2754 Mbps

[@pipper_papper]

that classic LTT attention to detail that keeps us all subbed (I unsubbed a year ago)

[@LoneWolf0648]

this is a hard pass just from the fact they have a subscription for features built into the device... then there is the price and probably 20 other issues you didnt have time to test

[@Vednier]

They not first Tp-Link now put subscription their routers for features they used to have for free build in (they still build-in but need subscription for unlock). And this is true for NOT cheap models too.

[@IngwiePhoenix_nb]

If you're having sub problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problem but a sub ain't one.

[@Vednier]

@@IngwiePhoenix_nbLets watch at you once you need to purchase subscription to use your toilet. Sounds like some dirty business.

[@IngwiePhoenix_nb]

@@VednierAt the current rate, I wouldn't be surprised at this. Welp, guess I would be switching professions from software dev to plumbing, lol.

[@Vednier]

@@IngwiePhoenix_nbThere is video made by Adult Swim almost ten years ago, called Smart pipe. Its about toilet pipe collecting health info from poop about peoples for ads and stuff. It was kinda "funny" back then (for joke stretched too long). Somehow its not funny anymore. I will not be surprised to see such thing in 3-5 years for real.

[@status_elitegaming9523]

Not sure if it’s the same on this one, I have the WiFi 5 version but something as simple as shutting off the 2.4hz band or 5hz isn’t possible. I don’t like the idea of paying good money for a WiFi router for it not to have simple band control. I found myself getting stuck in 2.4 even though I was in the same room as the router. Something to look for before buying these devices

[@darkkforest]

Fucking yes! Let me do what ever the fuck I want to do with the thing I paid for.

[@ethernet01]

this is what is terrible about this enterprise pricing and subscriptions but ISP black box level features and management this pair shown costs more than many small-medium networks with enterprise equipment

[@DanVibesTV]

i need the 2.4ghz band, because all my RGB stuff uses 2.4ghz WIFI only

[@imgladnotu9527]

​@@darkkforestlook towards openWRT for that lol, you cant trust proprietary firmware to do what theyre supposed to

[@25566]

That's worse than using the ISP router if you can't even do that, it's unnecessarily locked down

[@sullychow4123]

If consumers would finally rebel against subscriptions then these companies wouldn't pull this crap.

[@ian9outof10]

100% - and I do, and get yelled at online for saying Google and Amazon's network products should be avoided.

[@chris6ix.]

As soon as you said subscription, the product immediately lost all its attractiveness.

[@BansheeBunny]

2:24 You are correct about 1Gb networking, being enough for most consumers. You will want more LAN bandwidth though, if you have a media server with an app, that has a broken "Download" feature. 5Gb is possible with existing CAT5e cabling.

[@BGraves]

I have tested 10gb over cat5e 50 ft. But to your point he just said 2.5 local network

[@benwu7980]

At least the wired cables are still using a proper rating, iirc Cat 5e is 'guaranteed' for runs of 100m. it can certainly do faster of shorter distances.

[@dhkatz_]

Ok but you don't need this router for that? Buy a switch with 10 Gb support and just plug whatever router into it

[@benhook1013]

Idk I want to see the continued growth of people with at home network storage (typically every house now has more than one computer/device, better than storage or externals for each device), and 1Gb/s is really not enough, maxing out at ~120MB/s, which is less than what a single HDD can do. Even just getting dumb switches above 1Gb/s is expensive caus they're much less common.

[@BGraves]

@@benhook1013 The path to getting above 1gigabit economically is through SFP+ used network cards and an SFP+ switch. From there you can go any route you want. I chose fiber as it consumes far less electricity over long runs. 2.5Gbe to WAN and 10Gbe for the high speed lan devices like my server, desktop PCs, and the 1Gbe switch.

[@DavidA20200]

It’s unbelievable how Amazon locks DDNS behind a paywall on this expensive of a product. Seriously what a joke.

[@FoxxFire]

I have a couple of the Eero Pro 6s, and they do work right out of the box pretty well (lol, though I did NOT sign up for the service; i'm sure i would have been the same level of frustrated as LS had I done so). I've had the two Pro 6 units for a couple years now, and they really (knock wood) have been outstanding. To be clear, these are not for tinkerers. This is for the set-it-and-forget-it, don't-have-time-to-mess-with-them crowd. Nonetheless, they do receive frequent software updates, and I can't remember the last time I've needed to restart the network due to some issue with the mesh units. Who knows how reliable these 7s are (the 6 Pros are much, much smaller), but based on Amazon's track record of reliability with these things (unless I just got lucky), I think if you need or really, really want to early adopt wifi 7, they would be a pretty safe buy.

[@SportBikeAnthony]

I'm just happy to see routers that have multiple multi-gig ports. That's the only reason I bought an one of tp-links new wifi 7 routers. Finally had a reason to upgrade from 1 gig to 2 gig GF service.

[@CenturylinkCollectionsAgent]

Quantum Fiber has 2.5g ports on the Wireless Pods and 1 10 gigabit ethernet port on the wifi 7 Pod thats free

[@Tundreq]

How much power did it draw during idle and full speed download? That's a small thing I would like to know.

[@arcadebit1551]

I don't want more speed in wifi. What I want is range, range and and more range.

[@johnricher133]

1_using 2.4ghz (less expensive) 2_using extenders with cables cat6a or later, I prefer cat8 (more expensive) --> worth it

[@MrTurbo_]

So i will certainly be buying a Wifi 7 access point, but certainly not this one lmao

[@Dabonman87]

TP link Deco XE75 Pro has 6e backhaul and is a better deal anyway then eero

[@Bob_Smith19]

The standard isn’t even finalized. There is zero reason to buy it now. 6E is overkill for most.

[@phr3ui559]

true

[@web1bastler]

I'll wait until I can buy Wifi7 M.2's and one unifi has something with 7 to offer.

[@johnricher133]

@@web1bastler Me too i will wait until i will see better wifi7 router | extender , plus certificates phones support wifi7

[@wh0_am_152]

I think Linus missed a critical new feature of 802.11be that being that that devices can now connect to multiple bands simultaneously in 3 modes (for there not technical names), as duplex so one (o rmaybe more) band upload one (or maybe more) band download, all the speed stitching multiple bands together to provide insane download speeds, max range where the AP can send duplicates of the data on multiple bands so that if there is interference on one band in the space of the packet the other may make it through allowing the ap to succesfully send the packet the first time reducing active time, load and sustaining speeds at longer ranges.

[@NutellaRLZ]

As someone who works at a small ISP that uses Eeros as our go-to routers, I like them, but I also have issues with them. The criticisms about Eero plus are valid, however, the historic data is actually stored on Amazon servers for remote troubleshooting if power or connectivity is lost. Still doesn't justify not having an option for local historical data

[@lilietto1]

It surprises me that an ISP would use Eero... the more you know. Here in Europe small ISP, from what I have seen, tend to use highly customizable routers from dedicated vendors like Fritzbox or Mikrotik etc.

[@NutellaRLZ]

@@lilietto1 that was my experience when I lived in Germany, but now that I'm working for an Oregon US based ISP I was surprised by the use of eeros. We also use MikroTik routers and Calix routers, but when anything goes wrong with Calix it goes catastrophically wrong

[@Tomiply]

3:48 What do you mean? It's way easier to see dust on black routers than white ones. You should see my black router; it gets dirty so fast that it's crazy.

[@stupidgamer4765]

devs def programmed a 'trust me you don't want this' lmao

[@jamesstewart5005]

Can't wait for a WiFi 7 enabled VR headset. That sweet sweet wireless streaming bitrate.

[@carlwheezer1544]

sick of everything needing a subscription and an app, i hate how we've gone down this road needing to rely on software for basic functions

[@DanielTimberwolf]

Literally had most of those paywalled features on a 10 year old ASUS router running DD-WRT... NO ONE should pay for BASIC features like DDNS and WAN failover.

[@Muppet-kz2nc]

you can buy an eero pro 5 for like $35 these days and they work great in bridge mode. recommend eero to family thats not tech savy.

[@fallenstard]

"You can't just buy hardware once and then have VPN service forever." *laughs in $35 lifetime subscription to VPN Unlimited purchased in 2017*

[@Tagbadger3]

I had eero 6s, which were fine, but they overheated too often, and too many functions are either hidden behind a subscription, or non existent in the name of "simplicity" or "user friendly". Switched to an ASUS router previously featured here.

[@commanderoof4578]

I absolutely hate the specs used for things like wifi and power-line adapters because they are total BS numbers For example some powerline adapters advertise 1200mbps but i have never seen a power-line adapter get past 100mbps 10:39 there be the real numbers for wifi speeds and they are well shy of what the "peak" is

[@prakash86anish]

❤❤ Love you for calling out unnecessary forced subscription for every little feature. ❤❤ I have ASUS ZenWIFI XT8 (almost 3-4 year old mesh system) and it has tonnes of free features. It is not perfect but it is not infected with any of these subscription viruses. Locking up everything under subscription umbrella should be illegal. Things like charging for VPN is understandable but this was just too much.

[@PunjabiBoi37]

@7:14 The reason you want the 6GHz network separate if you can is because of that sticky behavior. The best way to configure your devices is to: Connect to your 5GHz network, type in your password, and disable the "connect automatically" option. Then connect to your 6GHz network, and enable "connect automatically" for that network. Then the password is saved for your 5GHz network in case you need it, but will always default to the 6GHz.

[@cleanycloth]

The Max 7 is waaaay too expensive for me, but I got a really good deal on two eero Pro 6E routers and have been very happy with them. And because I got one that was from an ISP, I got all of the router level eero Secure stuff for free!

[@colby_ybloc]

I got an incredibly good deal on two 6E's recently as well, both from frontier. Definitely worth the upgrade from my previous WiFi 5 routers. The lower latency is fantastic for wireless displays.

[@cleanycloth]

@@colby_ybloc I had a couple WiFi 5 eeros and one WiFi 6, but I had issues playing VR wirelessly with them. Apart from one minor glitch per *session* it works fantastically now. I paid about £95 each for the Pros, I think they're over £200 new.

[@MrHaydnSir]

as part of my old job i used to have to walk customers through setting these up over the phone - most brain-numbing task i've ever had to do with that said, the system we used to view a customer's home eero wifi settup was incredibly insightful, and when they worked - oh boy did they work with that said, more often than not they didn't just make ..sense sense

[@doorgoo]

I appreciate fiber ONT, it’ll make people who get these question where to plug them in before they complain about terrible speeds plugged into a garbage Verizon router

[@s.i.m.c.a]

now ppl would scream why their fiber ont is just 30 megabit lol. fiber not means 10 gigabit speeds lol

[@Askaly]

People who buy a $1200 access point dont own a 'garbage verizon router'.

[@MrPriceMonroe]

A subscription for basic functions is an immediate red flag.

[@ErrorMessageNotFound]

EERO gives you very little control of your own wifi network. Want to disable 2.4ghz or 5ghz or separate it out into it's own SSID, nope. Want to see what ports are open with UPNP, nope. Just about everything is automatic and if their algorithm doesn't allow for your use case then you are out of luck. There is no manual work around, period. That's why it changed from 3 separate SSIDs on the video to one and he didn't know why. It decided to do that for whatever reason and he had no control.

[@Akkbar21]

Sounds like trash.

[@CommodoreFan64]

Crap like this is why I stick with TP-Link, or ASUS for consumer grade networking.

[@KeenVanguard]

Which router do you have in pretty sure the new 6e does. My older OG pro did not but I don't ever have a need to split them as they work 100% of the time on the band they auto assign

[@polarpenguin3]

​@@Akkbar21It's the complete opposite. These routers literally are as plug and play as it gets. These are meant for your average consumer, not for a networking professional. Nobody wants to spend hours figuring out how to configure a network. I could give this to my grandparents with no instructions and they could set one of these things up. That right there is the most beautiful thing I can imagine. With this, you never have to worry about your tech illiterate family member's wifi again.

[@marksapollo]

Want an easy to use router you just plug in and get up and running in under 2 minutes? Yeap.

[@FAB1150]

How is wifi 7 with range, interference tolerance and obstacle penetration? I'm super interested as my house is about 500 years old and has 2ft brick walls, even ubiquiti U6Es struggle to cover more than a few rooms lol

[@maxrburgess]

I thought you were going to connect the APs to each other and see how much speed you could get. Could be an interesting main channel video

[@tallrocko7010]

Just wondering for testing the max capabilities of a network if there is a way where y'all can host a local speed test server or something equivalent to show the full capability of a device not your local speed test server. Note I understand that in the real world if you are the kind of person who will max this out you will probably be wired or a large scale network admin but it would be awesome.

[@elremineh]

The subscription is a deal breaker for me honestly, it there is a subscription already, there is possibilities to put more things under said subscription. Also the 13.99 sub in order to use functionality that is already inside my 1.200USD device is stupid

[@littlejack59]

This is why not doing sponsored reviews is important. Ive never seen anyone on short-circuit be this critical of a products buggy system they always just say "preproduction" or "ya their going to patch that"

[@Brian-L]

Found an older Eero AP in an ewaste lot I purchased. Went to test it out of morbid curiosity and discovered an account was needed just to run your own Wi-Fi. Chucked it right back in the ewaste bin. 😂

[@complexity5545]

Next time see if it has an open source chip and donate that sucker so we can get free firmware. lol If you have time or just give it to a known nerd that firmware hacks.

[@polarpenguin3]

Kinda need an account if you want remote access features 🥴

[@marksapollo]

Hmm can't think of anything that doesn't need an account these days, you must throw an awful lot of devices away including network gear.

[@TheRogueAdventurers]

I mean WiFi access points being white does make sense because they're usually attached to the wall or ceiling and those are usually painted white

[@vinnyclegg]

Now all I need is a WiFi 7 VR headset to improve wireless vr further

[@MethosOhio]

Yes. This please.

[@Courtj3st3r33]

Now go stand 50 feet away on the other side of two plaster walls.

[@b4ttlemast0r]

That's actually insane, I would never have expected Wifi 7 to make such a big difference in a real world use case.

[@AlistairChiss]

I use separately named wifi bands because most smarthome devices need to be specifically setup onto a 2.4 network and if the phone is on the 5GHz or 6GHz band they fail to connect making everything a pain in the rear to configure.

[@hnielsen123]

That's not really how that works. Most dual and tri band routers are set up to allow seamless communication between bands. The router just routes traffic between them automatically. I have 2.4 and 5ghz on the same SSID, and I can see that my phone is connected on the 5ghz band and my IoT devices are on 2.4ghz, but I can still control them from my phone just fine. Maybe you have a really old router that isn't setup for this, but any router that is automatically putting the different bands together in to one SSID should have this capability.

[@Frezcodelavita]

Manual settings and then changing the encryption type usually helps

[@MowMdown]

I’ve never had a single device refuse to connect on a single SSID under multiple bands

[@BGraves]

I have yet to encounter that issue. Encryption type, yes

[@wh0_am_152]

With 802.11be though, devices will now be able to communicate on multiple bands simultaneously in 3 modes for simplicity's sake (yeah I'm not using the official names) I'm calling them duplex, max range, all the speed XD. Anyhow in duplex you can upload on band(s) and download on other band(s), in max range duplicate data is sent on multiple bands with ability to (I believe, merge or) select packets allowing for lower packet loss rates producing higher speeds and lower latency at range, all the speed allowes for stitched together streams for mindblowingly fadt downloads

[@ryamelp]

Is the WiFi 7 standard even finalized yet? When he says spatial streams does he mean when a WiFi devices says it’s 2x2 or 4x4?

[@lurick]

It's not finalized yet, that's next year some time. It's close though and probably the draft will be finalized but still it matters

[@s.i.m.c.a]

2x2 means - 2 transmitters and 2 receivers =>. 2 spatial streams

[@ryamelp]

@@lurick watch them lock firmware updates to get it out of draft behind that eero plus

[@ryamelp]

@@s.i.m.c.a only ever seen at most 4x4 will WiFi 7 devices have more?

[@deepspacecow2644]

@@ryamelp Kind of unrelated, but some 5g RUs have what is called massive mimo and are 128x128

[@foxale08]

The official standard for Wifi 7 hasn't been released yet. It's possible for compatibility issues with future devices.

[@mysteryboyee]

"Ive found its best to keep them all as the same ssid or it wont connect to the better connection" Literally exact opposite experience for me, all my devices would be stuck at 2.4ghz with all on a single ssid(and smart home stuff straight refuses to connect), but with them split i can force them to connect to the better 5ghz network and they stay there (with smart home stuff on the 2.4 of course), and even if the 2.4 technically has better range, even with lower signal stremgth the 5ghz metwork still gets way better speeds and latency, its not even a competition

[@wh0_am_152]

802.11be brings massive new features to the table, one of them being MultiLink Operation the ability to communicate with a single device on multiple bands simultaneously allowing for geater speeds, lower latency, and farther effective range.

[@4carhur1more]

"THEY GO IN YOUR EARS!!!" 😂😂😂 funniest thing I've heard from Linus in a while.

[@PAPO1990]

How did the ECC Squad miss the Upload and Download numbers being flipped in the overlay? :P Not a big deal, they were pretty similar both ways, but it's there ;)

[@ivangerginov5648]

Yup, they're still rushin' Not a big deal tho

[@PAPO1990]

@@ivangerginov5648 I don't know about it being a rush issue here, if there was NO ECC squad then I'd understand a minor error like that, but with 20 something people watching it specifically to check for errors, WITH fresh eyes... kinda seems like they're slacking :P

[@aidanbazan7769]

I have this product, and have tried the subscription, and can say with confidence, the ad blocking is really bad. REALLY bad

[@kamikarmy]

Same, I cancelled it. Will move away from the Eero on next upgrade. LTT crowd should be tech savvy and make their own ad blocking server anyway, no need for Amazon. It's meant for people who don't know much about this stuff.

[@acubley]

After seeing the price for two...sticker shock doesn't say enough. Anyone have a recommendation for a back haul set for wifi thru 4 walls?

[@RFDN0]

I honestly just plan on building a ubiquity set up and then upgrading parts when strictly necessary.

[@watercannonscollaboration2281]

8:46 As someone who works at AWS, if daddy Bezos was still CEO of this godforsaken company this thing would probably work correctly

[@Doubie.]

I love the rated speed to port speed ratio

[@jayden5526]

the uploads and download metrics at around 10:40 are switched around

[@mattanderson987]

My new ISP came with an eero router, lasted 2 days before I replaced it.

[@talon262]

TBH, if you're just using your Eeros as only mesh APs for an existing router, you don't need an Eero Plus sub and they'll work exceedingly well.

[@FARBerserker]

so, will it block AMAZON ADS AS WELL?

[@lurick]

Yes but you need to subscribe 20 times, lol

[@lufycz.]

Might make sense to host a local iperf3 server to reduce reliance on outside servers you can't control?

[@evdomos]

I've been using eero since 2018 and I've been very happy with it since then, however this product immediately scared me because of it's insane price and target market. Eero has always been a fantastic deal and easy to recommend in my line of work, but if they move to an enterprise business model then the product becomes inaccessible to the average user.

[@Zardif]

I put them in my grandmother's house because of how easy the eero 6 is to deal with. Hopefully they don't start messing that up.

[@the_undead]

This product just seems like a cynical cash grab because of how difficult. It was to sign up for that subscription. Seeing as this is the first I'm hearing of this company, I will likely never consider their products

[@evdomos]

@@the_undead First impressions are definitely important, but it's really not that hard, not that I'm at all interested in the subscription. If you're interested in features the subscription gives then it's probably not the right choice. However, the one time I had it it was painless to buy. But it's just been the best solution for easy setup and most importantly reliability in my job getting people's homes running, and I've had very, very few problems with them over that time period compared to the other solutions I've had to use over the years.

[@KeenVanguard]

​@@the_undeadthis was just a crap shoot, Ive had eero since before they were an Amazon brand and it's honestly really good. I recommend them to everyone. The app is normally super great and for some reason it wouldn't take his sub. The popup shouldn't have happened after subscribed but if you don't ever plan on using the extra paid features the popup never shows itself

[@polarpenguin3]

I've had one of their routers since 2018 and it was literally the easiest router to set up I've ever owned. Literally anyone with a functioning brain could set one up, and that's not an exaggeration. I've also never had an issue with it, never had to reset it or anything, it just works. They've also always had the eero plus subscription for extra features. Just don't pay for them if you don't need them (that's what I do).

[@JesusLovesHisCreations]

Ya, I agree, subscription is a huge turn off… 10:41

[@radovanobal3842]

That subscription, an absolute deal breaker.

[@SamiJumppanen]

Eero is a common Finnish male first name, which is also used in Estonia. It is a variant of the Scandinavian name Erik, which is well-known throughout Finland, meaning 'sole ruler' or 'administrative area'. (traslated from Finnish Wikipedia, fi.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eero)

[@FLUIDITY_O]

Just got the WiFi 7 deco and tbh I tried the eero and Orbi WiFi 7 systems and they were both disappointing. The only system I can recommend at the time is the Deco it’s quite phenomenal.

[@ewenchan1239]

The fact that Linus was able to REPEAT the problems with the subscribing -- that will DEFINITELY make it back to the Eero app software team with SOMEBODY asking "WTF?". We have the eero 6 (apparently) (not 6E), but it works well enough for what we need it to do. :)

[@Efreeti]

8:54 What about the Madison scandal? I recognize there's valid reasons for the communication between her and LMG not to be public, especially if there's legal proceedings involved which I know take a long time, potentially years, but at least an aknowledgement of the issues raised by her as a previous employee and announcing what you're going to do about it would be appreciated.

[@chasemsutton]

Why did they not show the awesome mesh functionality built into WiFi 7? That’s what makes me most excited for it

[@sadmanh0]

doesn't that already exist in older versions?

[@chasemsutton]

@@sadmanh0from what I’ve read, WiFi 7 takes mesh to a whole new level.

[@sadmanh0]

@@chasemsutton like, the second floor?

[@chasemsutton]

@@sadmanh0more like the basement, actually.

[@wir7460]

3:55 Linus absolutely rofl, hahahaha, perfect delivery

[@ChrisGrump]

Oh yeah, I will need this for the blistering fast 50 Mbps maximum I have available.

[@4.0.4]

You will download nothing and you will [stream paused] [checking subscription status]. - Klaus-Fi

[@zapman2100]

so another junk product that cant actually really do what it says it can because of device limitations. shouldn't this be false advertisement if it cant actually connect to the devices it says it can at the speeds it advertises.

[@witherouz]

thats where the funny "up to" words come in, those two words fix all legal obligations

[@maolcogi]

I just love your choice of chairs. LOVE my Herman Miller Gaming Embody! Best chair... EVER!!!

[@Konarcoffee]

Standardization groups/consortiums/whatever should learn a little patience. Releasing upgrade after upgrade to a standard while having almost no devices supporting it is a stupid way to do things

[@zackzeed]

I'm never touching that. I'd rather build my own router / home network in the future when wifi 7 is more common. For some services subscriptions just make sense but for some other stuff, like this router, nooo thanks.

[@DeepStereo1]

I am speeeeed

[@iamalittler]

It seems like half the reason they’re creating new wifi standards just to escape your neighbours.

[@SeanBlader]

Even the original Kickstarter Eero's innovated by letting each ethernet port on any unit do anything. My incoming line from my ISP is in the utility closet, more or less in the basement. So upstairs I have a meshed Eero Pro, and connected to it via ethernet is my gate internet module.

[@post-leftluddite]

I wish theyd advertise routers NOT by the combined speed of every frequency/channel, but by the speed a single connection/user can achieve with a data transfer, i.e. whats the maximum speed a wifi 7 pc can transfer a file to another wifi7 PC through a WiFi 7 router....I think its 5.8Gbps, but its very hard to get a straight answer

[@WEKM]

The absolute, utter frustration, Linus was showing from the subscription constant intrusion, I was waiting for him to throw his phone against the wall. Despite it being the mesh routers being the source of the aggravation.

[@Furrfino]

I switched to the Eero router a while ago, and honestly, I really like it. I understand people are sketchy at the idea of a router from Amazon and only being able to use an app to manage it. As well as a subscription service to use its "advanced" features- ...nonetheless, if you're an Amazon household, the Eero router just works, and it's truly plug-and-forget. Depending on your needs, the subscription is worth it; you have a VPN, Antivirus, web security, and an ad blocker(more miss than hit), all at router level. As well as other features that are really useful if you're a parent. You can also use Echo devices as wifi extenders.

[@Dkrocksmith]

O.N.T = optical network terminal. It's like a modern, but for fiber optics

[@james.b.mcgill]

I recently upgraded my home to Wi-Fi 6E during the last Amazon sale because Wi-Fi 7 is insanely expensive right now.

[@strikelight]

Dunno if this was mentioned or not, but instead of restarting the routers, should have restarted the phone to clear the app from memory, and then check the sub features. Not that that should ever be the fix in proper circumstances, but it seemed like an app issue, not a router issue.

[@marksapollo]

It actually told him 3 times to check for the confirmation email they sent him, which he gleefully ignored and then carried on ranting about.

[@jeffreyclement3564]

I love how you say upgrading from wifi 6. I just bought my first mesh system (eero 6) and only one device in our home is compatible. 7 would be a waste of money for a very long time.

[@aeskellion]

I live in France. Thanks to Free, I have access to WiFi 7, dual 5 GHZ bands, a total of 8 Gbps throughput and even an SSD slot, all in the same router for 50 euros per month.

[@Wonka0998]

Over here in the 3rd world I'm still good with my Wi-Fi 5, 1Gbps LAN, and 300Mbps internet. My mom is still good with her 45Mbps internet and the crappy wifi from the do-it-all ISP router. But hey, it's awesome to see technology evolve like this (except for the subscriptions).

[@matthewshields]

I currently have mostly WiFi 5 and a few WiFi 6 devices, nothing 6E or above. Usually it's not worth buying the latest WiFi until it's been out for 2 - 3 years.

[@RadOo]

I have Wi-Fi 6 mesh system and I can't be more happy, gladly accepts older devices as well. No issues. In my ideal condition I have about 600-700mbps both down/up. And according to steam survey, most people still have barely over 50-100mbps download speeds, so in that case, 802.11n / Wi-Fi 4 is still sufficient enough.

[@lonergothonline]

I feel like beyond a certain point it would make more sense to have the device connect to whichever the slowest band/ssid actually is, until the user does something that requires more speed, like streaming, then it goes up a tier to 5/6/7

[@Hittsy]

depends... 2.4 and 5ghz bands are also available for use by other fields, not just WiFi. Baby monitors, wireless security cameras, etc. all use it, so you might want to keep devices on 6ghz as much as possible for reliability, since that band has much less interference.

[@daemonbyte]

@@Hittsy that's what they use to say about 5.

[@eldibs]

As someone who just recently got gigabit fiber internet, Linus is right. I have yet to download anything that uses my full internet connection speed. Even internet speed tests have trouble with it. At least I know nothing anyone on my network does will cause anyone else's connection to lag.

[@CptDrake]

Ever just wanna do the ultimate test? Run a microwave oven, and five pairs of Bluetooth devices in-between these and see what the experiences are.

[@deepspacecow2644]

all on 2.4ghz, he tested on 6ghz

[@kaz49]

Soon enough they're going to have subscriptions for being allowed to own your hardware Oh wait

[@mrsittingmongoose]

The upload and download tags when you are comparing the 3 phones at the end are reversed. You have download labeled upload and vice versa.

[@TheKdcool]

If the subscription offered real cellular backup that would be a great subscription

[@OfficialDeathScythe]

Linus had way too sincere of a tone when he said that the GPU skin is optimized for 4K 🤣🤣

[@zaraarali7491]

watching wifi 7 outrun wifi 6 with 2.5 Gbps while I am happy to finally get 15mbps connection in our area !

[@youtubewatcher4603]

6:55 Finally a proper response to the price. This is how you know it's not sponsored by Eero.

[@themusesquad8554]

Any Static device with subscription is a scam. Why would u need server to connect to for a static device?

[@Oliver_Saer]

Absolutely love eero products, but the subscription stuff is kind of a joke. But chances are that the people who would actually care enough to pay for the subscription-tier features would also be capable of augmenting that functionality with a Raspberry Pi or other home server.