OOPS, we took it apart! - Mountain Everest 60 Keyboard

[@ShortCircuit]

Jono's Note: You can have the Numpad separated, but you'll need to buy this extension cable - mountain.gg/usb-type-c-to-type-c-cable/

[@JuanRodriguezNushio]

I was thinking about such cable when watching the video. :-)

[@iheartninja]

This is exactly the first thing that popped into my mind. I was like, "What's stopping you from using a USB-C extension?'

[@djlancematthew]

I was wondering about that. As he was saying that you can’t move the NUM pad, I was sitting here wondering why you can’t just get a cable.

[@stormblaz82]

Hmmm Short Circuit is hit or miss, sometimes they exclusively tell the product without a single added opinion like the Anker Webcam that was very pricey and still looked very bad and they did not bother to say anything but the product. Yet here he was being super nit picky about every detail, so what is it, an uboxing channel or a review channel!? If you do it with this video, do it with all of them...

[@JohnDoe-wq5eu]

@@stormblaz82 Was it a sponsored video sponsored by anker?! then yes I would take that with a big handful of salt. But something like this that was reviewed but not sponsored by them yeah that I would trust or at least trust more. Still it's best to do some due diligence and actually check out other reviews if you feel like you want a second or third opinion.

[@NyQuin]

I love short circuit for getting to see the hobbies and passions of the LMG staff and it has definitely gotten me to do research into things I otherwise wouldnt

[@internetusername9593]

@바비 소녀들.🇰🇷 preach

[@girlsdrinkfeck]

wow what a life u got for being so into keyboards

[@nyxterius]

you can do extended numpad. I bought one of the original everest maxes, and one of the things that is marketed was that they give you a small usb c female to male cable to attach numpad at an extended distance. I've run it like this quite a bit

[@muzzynat]

I also have an everest Max from the Kickstarter, I wonder if the extension cable wasn't included with the smaller Numpad, or if it's not compatible at all?

[@zebedeesummers4413]

I'm disappointed they didn't try a high speed USB of their own. IF you can then this would be amazingly modular. (I'd like to see a function module as an option but I know I'm weird.)

[@jakwadd]

@@zebedeesummers4413 me too tbh, was also surprised that there was no mention of using the other “spare” usb C for charging / pass through with other devices and if not why not? As I appreciate the ability to plug it in in the most convenient / aesthetic position but I would also like to utilise them other ports for charging my Phone/ speaker / smart watch etc or plug in a usb memory card/usb adaptor etc. I do like these videos but I sometimes find that they try so hard to avoid making it a review so much that they can miss other details which might be pertinent to the consumer.

[@zebedeesummers4413]

@@jakwadd I agree, they often feel like 60% of a review in an awkward spot between at a glance and a full review. Don't get me wrong LTT content is consitantly good this is feels like its between two sweet spots.

[@jakwadd]

@@zebedeesummers4413 yeah they are quite open that they are sponsored videos but they don't quite hit the same as true LTT content due to being semi restricted in their content. The "vibes" feel a bit off to me as it's like they are not trying to shit on a product but also not always prepared to praise it fully either, which sometimes leave me a bit 50/50 about some products and still not clear on if it's worth buying etc. P.s. this isn't a dig at the staff / presenters of these videos as they are all great and it's good to see other members of LTT.

[@guddud_3139]

I think you should be able to get a usb-c cable extend for the numpad (usb-c female to usb-c male). Connect one end to the numpad and the other to the side of the keyboard.

[@numa_kai]

i think what he meant by that was that the numpad should have a different cable that runs directly to the pc. idk

[@7DegreesOfFreedom]

@@numa_kai I think you’re right, because that’s what the normal/full-size Everest numpad does

[@voidmarvel2682]

@@7DegreesOfFreedom I think it would be silly to do that though, considering if you just plug it into the keyboard you get to keep an extra USB free on your PC instead of using it for the numpad individually.

[@CRUMB.]

@@7DegreesOfFreedom the keyboard already has that function though ?

[@littlejackalo5326]

@@7DegreesOfFreedom huh? It's already got a male USB C on the num pad that connects to a female USB C on the keyboard. Are you connecting the numpad to the computer on it's own? The complexity added to plug it into the keyboard is negligible.

[@HipyoTech]

1:35 THOCK

[@knightmarex13]

thock daddy has entered has entered the chat

[@nathanrios2392]

Company: we want to target one of the pickiest enthusiast community in the world Community: NO

[@ronakparikh]

They know they are not fooling any enthusiast with this, it's just marketing to increase the price. It is not actually for keyboard enthusiasts, it's for gamers, and this channel is like an ad platform for this kind of stuff

[@neolordie]

@@ronakparikh tbh it's still much better than what was coming out a few years ago

[@JC-0108]

@@ronakparikh it's also a major step up for a "big company" to do something this decently. Obviously the enthusiast market is going to want to do things themselves, because that's the point of the hobby, where you have something you can really feel good about because you custom tuned it yourself and did all these mods and hard work to make a nice board. This is just for the gamers who don't want a shit board with super rattly stabs and stuff but can't be bothered to actually do a custom keyboard

[@ronakparikh]

@@JC-0108 There is nothing revolutionary here, it is a cheap $50 gaming keyboard with a 1 cent foam and bad lube job for $140. Many pc gamers have built their own computer so I think they are capable of doing a couple mods on their own. This is a really bad value when you look at boards like the gmmk pro or the recent qk65, I would rather save up for those. What I am trying to say is that there are budget $50-$75 gaming keyboards and there are $200-$350 entry level enthusiast keyboards and the $75-$200 range in between is a waste of money but that seems to be the price range this channel is focused on, maybe because that is the high margin garbage with the biggest profits?

[@DJayPhresh]

@@ronakparikh at the same time, how many options are there for full-sized, backlit, hotswappable keyboards out there? It's this, the Glorious GMMK 1 (the 2 is a 96%) the EVGA Z15 and the Hexgear Impulse. Most keyboards in the space are 60% or TKL, and not backlit, especially on the higher end. Unless there's some miracle option I don't know about, the options for this field are pretty limited, and the Everest might be the best we can get.

[@konsticraft1028]

I can definitely recommend putting the numpad on the left side, gives you the mouse space of a TKL but you still have a numpad and the numpad is much more usable for hotkeys in games or programs with a lot of mouse usage.

[@the11thhour44]

Left numpads are superior, full stop

[@paklekj4429]

Buy a southpaw75

[@adelmosallami]

Left numpads are very cool

[@Xfade81]

@@paklekj4429 Or the keyboard in the video?

[@paklekj4429]

@@Xfade81 southpaw75 is superior for left numpad wanters

[@gaige21qw]

One thing I've learned from watching any video about keyboards (standalone or on a laptop) from LMG is that it's subjective as hell. You can see one person flex the s*** out of a board and say there's hardly any flex while someone else will barely flex a keyboard and say that there's too much flex.

[@jonaskonrad]

keyboard flex is pretty much irrelevant, I don't know why ppl care so much about it. Maybe for some $30 boards, but anything above that won't really twist

[@Neoxon619]

I’m really liking all of the keyboard coverage we’ve been getting lately.

[@DFMurray]

This! I'd love to see some fully custom builds in the future was well especially with all that CNC gear they have now.

[@treborrrrr]

I still can't get over those gigantic coiled cables with giant connectors on them that have become so popular for some reason. I just find them so silly. Then again I'm a bit of a flashlight nerd, so I shouldn't judge.

[@WhoAmIWill]

I really want to know about the flashlight enthusiast community now.

[@BlackTearsYT]

As much as I love the keyboard hobby, I think coiled cables look ridiculous and all the silly keycap sets with extra symbols or several colors and awful legends seem really strange to me, especially with the adamant dislike of RGB within the hobby. Like, you love these multicolor weird keycaps but hate RGB backlighting?

[@SuperDuberBananaBomb]

Those giant connectors can sometimes be useful. Unfortunately not all boards have a USB-C connector. Especially some older custom boards might have a Mini-USB or Micro-USB connector instead. Having there be an extra connector in the cable close to the device means that one can just change the device end of the USB cable from e.g. USB-C to Mini-USB instead of having to run a whole new USB cable when swapping boards. However, most of the time they are just used for looks.

[@Ace-pc2cm]

+1 for voicing the need for numpads. I really hate the trend of removing them on laptops, even 15/17" ones. Even when you don't have speaker grills on the side or any other excuse.

[@leonro]

True, I have to input PIN codes often enough that no numpad is quite annoying. I have a 13" asus with the numpad that pops up on the trackpad. I feel like that's the best way to fit a numpad on a small laptop, because you usually don't use it but when you do you it's decent. While not nearly as tactile as a physical numpad, it's still much better than using the top number row.

[@MacchiStrauss]

Funny, I dread numpads on laptops because I hate having to be skewed in relation to the screen. I even have a separated numpad for those times I need it, but I do like no numpads on my laptops! On desktops, otoh, it's full keyboard always.

[@jort93z]

I use the function keys way more than the numpad, and the keyboard doesn't have any.

[@Ace-pc2cm]

@@MacchiStrauss I've had two laptop TouchPads fail on me in my life, which required the use of the numbpad for mouse keys. Maybe I'm just unlucky because it happened to me twice now (and no, it was never liquid spillage or anything obvious like that). So now I require TouchPads on laptops specifically in case this happens.

[@MAGAIVER]

@@jort93z It does have them it's just under a layer. Pressing fn + 1 isn't any harder than pressing f1. Once you get a QMK compatible keyboard you have as little as 30 keys and still have every single function of a full size keyboard. Having everything right under you fingers instead of reaching for stuff feels great.

[@devKazuto]

7:20 why shouldn't you be able to do that? Just get a female to male USB-C cable and hook the numpad to the keyboard, like an extension basically.

[@nsshurtz]

Anyone else confused when he calls it a TKL when adding the numpad? I though TKL was Ten KeyLess, meaning basically full size keyboard, but without a numpad.

[@eye-zitt]

Yeah I was wondering that too. I think he meant full size but TKL is exactly what you described. Still a good review or an interesting board!

[@zednik8956]

So there is a keyboard in the UK market called a Shortboard Leftie and i have a heavily modded one and its great. I replaced the switches with silent switches and put a removable usbc socket in the case so i can use my custom cables. It has the nav and the numberpad on the left side but in the same layout that youd expect, just moved. You could also just get a wireless numberpad for what you need especially if you dont use them all too much

[@bao1964]

This is by no means an "enthusiast" keyboard tho. Any "enthusiast" will know that for that price point there are barebone kits, swiches and caps that offer better value. This is mostly aimed at gamers, who want decent keyboard have no actually time to dig into the hobby. The whole "enthusiast" schinanigan is just purely marketing scheme.

[@bonanzabrandon6877]

I'm not sure who is marketing this as an "enthusiast" keyboard, but go to the product page on their website, the word enthusiast doesn't appear anywhere.

[@ItsSavvo]

@@bonanzabrandon6877 It doesnt help that Plouffe presents himself as a keyboard "enthusiast" and looks at every keyboard from that skewed perspective

[@perrinfenix3475]

It reminds me of the Microsoft Sidewinder X6 that the num pad was removable and swappable to either side of the keyboard

[@Jimmy___]

I thought TKL stood for "tenkeyless", as in "without numpad"

[@luca_sbll]

6:22 TKL stands for tenkeyless, which means full size but without the numpad, sooo that's definitely not a TKL

[@profosist]

its a TK!

[@mikeebt]

Yeah, It's not a TKL. A TKL has the arrow keys + Del, home, PgUp, etc, and does not have the numpad.... Also, I don't know if he noes, but it is also not a 60% because it does have the arrow keys. It's a 65%.

[@profosist]

@@mikeebt correct 60% doesn't have arrows

[@luca_sbll]

@@mikeebt The line between 60% and 65% is pretty blurry sometimes. I have what is technically a 60%, since it doesn't have an extra key column on the far right, but I put arrow keys on it by having weirdly sized keys on the bottom right

[@mikeebt]

@@luca_sbll oh i see!

[@ilyanaa1114]

Plouffe mentioning how he likes tactility but thought the 55g switches were a bit too heavy for his tastes makes me think that he'd really like a 45g Topre board-maybe like a Leopold FC980C or something.

[@cjgudino13]

Why didn’t he just disconnect the flex cable to show the case better. The way he was holding the case made me scared he might rip the cable anyway

[@sijonda]

What's stopping you from running a cable between the num pad and the keyboard?

[@ArdentMoogle]

My thought exactly. It's a pretty simple fix

[@SpltPersonaltyOF]

It would need to be female to male, but that should work

[@sijonda]

@richtea78 How would it know?

[@ruebo2817]

@richtea78 That’s not true. I got the Everest Max and there was a small female to male usb-c cable in the package. You can use that to connect the both. It shows up in the software as if were directly attached to the main part but otherwise works fine. I think it’s something about needing a cable with all pins.

[@ruebo2817]

@richtea78 What do you mean by normal usb-c cable?

[@SatanDotExe]

I've got to say, 0:23 is one of the least professional things I've seen from LMG. You "think" that the company is called Mountain? You think?

[@ReviloYaj]

Did he really just say after plugging in a num pad, "now you have a TKL"?

[@mikeebt]

yeah... facepalm

[@carlwarnett2054]

If you want your numpad further away, just get a USB C male to female cable?

[@desmond-hawkins]

(6:22) _adds the numpad…_ "boom! now you've got a TKL" Oh interesting I thought that TKL meant *tenkeyless,* as in no numpad. I guess I was wrong, if _adding_ a numpad makes it a TKL.

[@luismrqz91]

most hotswap boards dont give you the option to do other layouts like split spacebar and also tend to cost a bit more, soldering is a pain but i really find peace in it.

[@silverstudiosz]

Do gaterons work for it

[@Kapow015]

I use spreadsheets a lot so I really couldn't give up my numpad. Function keys are also pretty useful for me especially if for media control but I wanted a little more compact form factor vs full-size so 96% is really working well for me right now. But having the option to remove or have the numpad on the side but still usable like Plouf was saying seems like a pretty nice solution that I could see myself trying out in the future!

[@siegekeebs]

You really need to get into some custom keyboards, there's a lot to learn, but there's SO MUCH BETTER out there

[@SimonBauer7]

for the numpad as a seperate connected thing you could get a usb c extension cable with a male and female type c to make it work. as for desktop keyboards ill pass and stick with my trusty old fujitsu siemens kbpc sx d. no rgb, off white and a ps/2 port but durable as hell and very well working.

[@konsticraft1028]

The original everest max actually comes with a cable like that, but really short at i think 15cm.

[@zodoGames]

lol my thoughts exactly on the cable. I use my Affermative / lexmark model m battleship for work still

[@varunyounse]

To the person reading this: Even though | don't know you, I wish you best of what life has to offer 💙

[@Tobi042]

Thanks, right back at you! 🙂

[@eliotcole]

Can't help but feel if you're going to put those cool magnetic feet at the back, adding a space for them at the front and including a few extra would be awesome for those that want to tilt the other (correct?) way.

[@zodoGames]

🤢

[@DJaquithFL]

60/65 keyboards suck. They seem great until you need F keys, and if you're a gamer you'll need them. If you want a smaller keyboard then get a .. TKL. That's assuming that you don't need a regular NUM pad. I would recommend a company like Drop or just DIY it. A company like Glorious is okay if you don't mind Chinese CCP software on your computer.

[@NyQuin]

Short circuit makes the day better

[@blackraen]

2:18 Re: Lubing your own switches. My advice as my friends/coworkers have seen me go down the mechkeeb rabbit hole is that a good lube with one of the prominent switch lubes is the #1 best thing you can do to improve your typing experience, BUT do not do it unless you are really dissatisfied with your standard/factory-lubed switches. Once you start, it's hard to put up with switches that have not been properly lubed, and lubing sessions take sooooooo long. I'm just glad I'm a 60% and only have to lube like 60~70 switches for a board build.

[@doniscoming]

I have a USB C extension at home...I wonder if You could plug the num pad to the keyboard with this extension and have it anywhere zyou want 🙃 not the most elegant solution but still...why not 🤟

[@alexn78666]

For anybody who isn't familiar with the term TKL, it means tenkeyless and refers to the "10 keys" 0-9 of the right number pad. TKL boards usually have Home, Page Up/Down, End, Insert, Delete, Prt Scrn, Scroll Lock, and Pause, but no number pad. So saying this is a "TKL.. Kind of" (6:27) or saying it's "between 60% or TKL" (14:10) really isn't accurate. It's 60%+num pad, none of the extra keys that you would find on a TKL, plus keys that literally go against the definition of TKL.

[@shinsoku9128]

Silicone is for sound dampening (i agree) but it's also just for weight (excuse me what the fuck?). The weight of the Silicone should be marginal compared to the weight of an aluminium chassis. The foam does not produce thocc. It dampens hollowness which can then lead to enhanced thocc. That being said, it is not necessarily the case. The amount of "thocc" you have depends on so many factors that are all more important than the foam. If the rest is not tuned to produce thocc, the keyboard won't thocc. Even if you add foam to it.

[@JJShankles]

Personally I hate hot swappable keyboards. After a while I have had some wear out so the keys can become loose after pulling the switch multiple times. And after my first few mechanical keyboards I know what I like, so I don't need that feature at all.

[@videomaaaster]

This make no sense to be honest, why would you want to put the numpad back on a keyboard that it's made without a numpad in the first place. Just buy a regular keyboard, you have it when you need it, and when you don't, it's really not that hard to spread your arms a couple of inches more. 60% keyboards are really stupid tbh.

[@nevadaplays3493]

NOT to be rude...but you couldn't find someone who knows a bit more about "tech" to help host the videos at least? Im really not trying to come across too bad...im sure hes a great guy and all, but every time he hosts, it's a bit much for me lol... sorry!

[@LisaHarsh]

Can I just say that for years mechanical keyboards and coiled cables were considered old technology. Keyboards were all mechanical and came with coiled cables. Now you pay a premium for it

[@hoopla5502]

Well they are old technology and the reason mechanical cost more is because they cost more to produce. Thats why the switch from mechanical boards to membranes happened. It was way cheaper to produce a sheet of rubber instead of multiple individual switches. We pay a premium because they are more premium than the membrane counter part. As for coiled cables lol yea I have nothing for that. Coiled cables don't last as long straight cables all day

[@StonedSpagooter]

As a 60% user i am JEALOUS of the bottom row having 5 buttons instead of 4. Those arrows being free is a beautiful thing.

[@rolf7072]

6:23 "Now you have a TKL". Didn't you mean "now you have a fullsize keyboard, kind of"?

[@Xtorin_Housecat_Ohern]

this is why 96% keyboards exsist.

[@JustinEmlay]

Why can't you just use a USB-C extension cable to use your 10-key somewhere else?

[@celtdragon7026]

I would NOT recommend washing this in the dishwasher, like you can many other keyboards; solely because of those foam inserts... would take WEEKS to dry, unless you put them in a well heated and ventilated area, and THEN probably still a full week to dry.

[@flashandfoul3604]

I agree, a car wash will work much better for this board

[@JasonZakrajsek]

The slider on the bottom of the num pad reminds me of the DJ Hero turntable controller.

[@lfcbpro]

USB extension cable wouldn't work for having it off to the side?

[@TheLemonyOrange]

oooooooooooooo i love this dude hosting! hes so interesting and engaging, gets all the important infomation too, including little tidbits that arent super important but in a good way. love him so much! get him on LTT!

[@henderhex]

Definitely not everyone's cup of tea. Personally I notice he makes very matter-of-fact statements sometimes, when IMO there's a lot more nuance to those topics than he lets on, and sometimes he'll miss stuff that seem obvious, like just using an extension cable for the numpad to fix one of his gripes (which again comes back to him making matter-of-fact statements). Aside from that though, I do agree that he makes things interesting and engaging, so hopefully he can iron out some of the issues I've personally noticed, cause I would love to see more keyboard videos on the channel.

[@TheLemonyOrange]

@@henderhex yeah actually i feel you on that a bit bro. I at least he keeps presenting and perfecting that craft

[@Rcforlife]

Have you tried to use the numpad with a usbc extender to se if that works

[@mimp8365]

When the keyboard has more IO than the actual front IO…

[@TensaZangetsu1200]

"Now you have a TKL" By adding the TK 🤔 Ten key less

[@savagecomanche]

I don't think I'll ever get the appeal of a 60% keyboard

[@aodasdasd]

Love this channel!

[@ShortCircuit]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@DavidNightjet]

I have the Everest Max myself (thanks in part to the review from you guys) and yeah... The Base Camp software is pretty garbo. It doesn't like it when you want to set up lighting. I got my keyboard looking the way I want in one profile and just accept that the rest of the lighting profiles have a few compromises until they improve the software.

[@ghostly4446]

I got the max everest, same opinion there's a lot of great things but the software could definitely be improved, waiting for more lighting effects and more synchronization between softwares

[@codyhader3295]

Did he call it a TKL AFTER adding the ten key? 😂

[@NeonVisual]

My hands just won't adjust to teeny keyboards without RSI issues in my wrists. They feel only marginally better to use than those GPD P2 Max micro laptops and the likes.

[@Viper-ci1os]

I have the Everest Max keyboard and it comes with a usbc male to usbc female cable to connect the mumped away from the keyboard. Im assuming you can still do the same with the 60% as i dont see why the would remove that function. but you would have to buy it separately off the website

[@SpartanMJO12]

Why would you want to lose your F keys?

[@tyrosine87]

Because once you get used to layers, those are pretty easy to use anyway, and with less movement of your hands, too. While it sounds weird, a 60% that you're used to and that you configured to your needs is actually super sweet. There's also 75% keyboards with the F-keys, like the kbd75 i am currently using.

[@oatmilk9918]

a really alternative is to remap the capslock key to a fnkey, so its really easy to acess the F layer via 'Caps' + num keys obv this is only for boards on which the caps can be remapped to the fn key/layer key like those which support via

[@tyrosine87]

@@oatmilk9918 VIA is so easy to use. I prefer to remap my windows keys on the boards that have them, or at least one of them.

[@thejackal007]

Looks interesting, but neither 60's nor TKL work for me. What would you say is a good choice for hot swappable full size?

[@Mireaze]

2 things that annoy the heck out of me about custom boards. The lack of 100% options, and the non existence of iso layouts.

[@anny_sep9]

Which mouse should I get that is not a gaming mouse?

[@billionaireinthemaking2725]

60% keyboard aka Apple's standard iMac keyboard

[@FrocketGaming]

I didn't want to give up the numpad either when I moved to 65% but I got a QMK compatible board and created a layer that activates when I hold Tab. Now I just hold tab and use the keys near my J, K., L row for all the numpad stuff. Problem solved.

[@MrSongib]

4:20 this look is good on the first week, and after a while, you forget it and yank the keyboard all over the desk, and looking at it now at my desk, it's messy AF. XD

[@controlthenarrative5925]

6:00 “I’m pretty on board” Pun moment missed

[@ThKrY]

I used to use a Microsoft Sidewinder X6 keyboard back in the days. It had a numpad that was able to be attached to left and right sides. Quite liked the feature.

[@matthieuzglurg6015]

it is weird that you can't connect the numpad with the main board with a cable, cause I remember this was a feature of the original version that was a TKL

[@Jarg-d6l]

just get a full size and stop messing about lol

[@Snikpoh1390]

I'm liking this. I just built a GMMK Pro (I know, everyone has one..) with Bobas, TX Stabs, lubed and filmed, foam and all that good stuff. I really enjoy it. It's nice to see you guys getting deeper into the keyboard hobby.

[@YoloVib3s]

LOL I literally almost purchased the original EVEREST like 2 weeks ago but was like nah I feel like they gonna drop a new board soon. Damn if I wasn't right!!!

[@GreenKata]

Base camp has been broken since the newest update and it doesnt even let users customize their rgb anymore until its fixed i been a day one user so i know the keyboard has its ups and downs and the downs mainly revolve around the base camp software in my opinion

[@jubuttib]

Adds a numpad to a keyboard -> "Now you've got a TKL, kind of." Isn't the whole point of TKL to _not_ have a numpad? =)

[@Quettesh]

I don't get the reason why to remove function key row - the width is the issue with keyboards, but how removing one row makes in any more ergonomic or usable?

[@zahidshabir4038]

You got the word TKL wrong ALSO this is a 65% a 60% I think has no arrow keys and some of the keys on the left of a 65% are just placed as FN key toggles underneath other keys. A TKL is a FULL SIZE keyboard WITHOUT the numpad. 60% and 65% keyboards have no numpad BUT the rest of the keys are ALSO smushed together in a TKL it looks just like as if someone took a hacksaw and chopped off the numpad on the side. Think of the current Corsair K70 TKL Champion Series (I really don't understand what Corsair is doing doing with their naming scheme as they had the K55 series for a full size with macro membrane keyboard, then the K60 was a cheap mechanical keyboard, then the K65 series was the TKL keyboard, then the K70 series was full size then they had a K90 which was an extended macro keyboard with 18 macro keys (3 columns of keys) which they replaced with the K95 series which only had 6 macro keys and now the K100 which I understand since it has extra keys but more recently Corsair has released a TKL and a FULL SIZE keyboard under the K70 moniker which makes it more confusing since ~I always saw the K70 as a full size then they release a K65 that is 60% I think the 60% from Corsair should have been under the K60 moniker and their new full size K70 should have been under the K75 or K80 moniker I know the K70 has always been known as a full size but I would rather the K65 name be saved for 65% and a bigger number than 65 be used for a TKL like the K70 series)

[@costafilh0]

Plouffe... could you please make a video on how to find /build the perfect wireless mechanical SILENT keyboard? A detailed LTT video would be nice!I Preferably in 2 or 3 price tiers like best bang for buck, high end, and no compromises tiers. I would love to get a mechanical keyboard but I can't stand the noise! Even membrane keyboards drive me nuts! And yes I have psychological problems and most people don't care about noises or even like them, I understand that, please don't hate! Thank you!

[@TheOldSchoolCrisis]

Plugs in the 10key - "So now it's like a TKL..." TKL literally means 10 Keyless... Adding a 10key to a 60% is literally adding the only keys NOT found on a TKL keyboard... Amazing. Also FWIW I feel like if you want a 60% but you also want a 10key, what you are actually saying is you don't want a 60%... If you need the space provided by a 60% and are the kind of person who would actually use a 60%, you are also the type of person who would get used to working with layers and you would just have a modifier key to add a numpad to a 2nd layer.

[@sideslick1024]

Do the USB-C ports support passthrough of any kind, like if I were to use a C-to-C cable to connect my phone to my PC?

[@duckyatsea]

Hotswap is great for trying switches out but if you KNOW what you want, it's pretty much objectively inferior to soldering's better sound, ability to change layouts on the same board, and long-term reliability. The idea that "high-end" keyboards should always have hotswap is....kinda silly. People buying expensive keyboards should know what they like already. EDIT: Also USB-C extensions exist, you could very easily connect the numpad to the PC on it's own or run a very short extension between the numpad and keyboard

[@dagarath]

I like my 72 key Drevo Calibur v2 (60% with Fn F-keys), I just wish anyone made really nice low profile numpads without completely breaking the bank or having to solder stuff. I am constantly looking to find a decent numpad to expand my 60% to a TKL, but frankly the options are all horrible, including this.

[@FookFish]

ay mate just get a custon? theres some fire TKLs like the freebird and the keychron q3 and id87 that arent group buy

[@saucyg6371]

This is not worth more than $100 ($140 w/ the numpad) imo. Considering customs can be had at far lower prices of the all-in price of $210 (kbd67 lite, zoom 65, qk65, keychron, ikki68 aurora), this just hits that price point value-wise

[@techienate]

TKL stands for Ten KeyLess. It's what you have before you plug in the keypad, not after. This guy misuses the word a couple of times. If you want a compact mechanical keyboard with the numpad, get the Akko 3098B. It has all the features this thing does except that it sounds better and has significantly better stabilizers for the tradeoff that the numpad is integrated. All for significantly less money.

[@YoloVib3s]

Maybe I missed it but did they switch the LED's to south facing? Also is it compatable with the Media Dock attachement?

[@TacohMann]

Not quite a 60% or a 65%. Not sure what I'd call it, but imo the 1u right shift is kind of a dealbreaker. I wish they would have just done a true 60% and not used the arrow keys. It makes it a nonstandard layout (harder to get different keycaps) and it's just less usable.

[@jimmynguyen973]

It's a variation of a 60% layout. Agreed on the 1u right shift, I use right shift a bunch and the trade-off of a slightly smaller keyboard vs a 65%, and how much harder it is to use the right shift, isn't worth it

[@shmandmouse3381]

looks nice. i will keep my old Compaq keyboard with the PS/2 plug for anything that needs function keys. lol Hate the noise my razer chroma castoff makes. Typing this on a battered Microsoft 5000 wireless. Even after 12 years of spilling beer in it, can pull 100 wpm. 🤠

[@Groovewonder2]

Y'all should try to get your hands on Ben Vallack's 16-key keyboard prototype. it looks nuts and I wanna see the LMG keyboard nerds try to use it. Or maybe do a roundup video on macropad style devices like the Adafruit Macropad or the Keybow devices from Pimoroni. See how small you can really get. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4OxkGeGhpWdZ6M

[@lawrencetchen]

1600 layout! Or FRL (F-rowless) 96%. And if it's on the other side, can be prefixed as lefty- or southpaw. 1800 layouts have F-row and 1400 layouts are missing the numrow, like the Candybar custom mechanical keyboard!

[@zora_tech]

For me if a keyboard is $150 or more and it doesn't have wireless then I am not interested. Also why would you pay $70 or more for a cable to connect your keyboard to your PC. Unless it has a lifetime warranty and will never fray I would consider buying it for $50. But otherwise that's just way to expensive.

[@amal96ful]

Hey ShortCircuit, There's a very affordable brand that makes Mechanical Keyboards. You should probably do a review: TVS Electronics (Gold Pro, Gold, Gold Bharat Keyboards). I got a Gold Pro recently and I'm loving it!

[@MWKRider]

Man I almost got fooled. I thought you made a mistake calling it a 60% and not a 65% but I got thrown for a loop because of the arrow keys. Honestly I would prefer this 60% layout compared to those that drop the arrow keys. I personally only go for 65% or 80/70% boards. Definitely cant do full size anymore.

[@theodin1913]

"Mountain Everest Max" is better than this stripped-down version. The cable connection was realized optimally, namely after connecting the cable can be led out on the left, right and in the middle. The separable cable is firmly connected to the case so that the connection does not break off. Numpad has additional LCD keys.

[@pewpew518]

I have this keyboard and it sucks. Mine doesn't not work with software at all no detection so I'm stuck with a stock keyboard for good. The dial thing is seriously cheap. There's 100$ in customs since it ships from Europe. Customer support is non existant. Horrible experience and a waste of 500$

[@phyrexiancoffee6324]

I switched to 60% 2 years ago, and I can't go back at this point. My daily at home is an Anne Pro 2 with Kailh Box Whites, my daily at work is a Pok3r with Cherry Browns, and my first 60% was a GK61 with Gateron Optical Silvers

[@mckidney1]

The keyboard videos are getting silly. mid-range price well over 100 dollars and we are supposed to accept their good word on SW support on release? I can get RK with hotswap and replace both switches and key-caps for the same price. There seems to be a pattern to the keyboard reviews that they show stuff with margins worth sponsorship, but not user friendly.

[@nemtudom5074]

It takes a special kind of hipster to buy a 60% keyboard because its small and saves on space, then splurging on an overpriced keyboard because they have a numpad For the record, i dont hate this keyboard, and its only mildly expensive, but the point still stands. Spending hundreds of dollars on a small keyboard, then buying a whole new keyboard because you both want and not want the numpad

[@RickStolz]

Is it possible to use two numpads at this board? One on the left and one on the right. It would be great for my workflow.

[@novotd443]

Nope, this is misleading. Definitely not all cherry mx stem keycaps are compatible, this "enthusiast" board has north facing LEDs, therefore the switch is upside down in a way and some keycaps might interfere with each other as a result. Switches aren't built symmetrically nor are all the rows of keycaps the same.

[@placeholder3863]

frl 1800 is what you would call it

[@cardassa]

Have to be honest, more than half of these tech videos seem to focus primarily towards an insecure elitist group that needs to show off their purchases. I would like a more informative video that highlights a basic well rounded keyboard that is good for all occasions without the bling and the obnoxious price tag. You have to be a real self absorbed piece of work to actually NEED something like these as opposed to wanting it... like a selfie stick.