A Chance at Redemption... - Google Pixel Tablet

[@B_T_B]

Imagine. If someone from Google watched this and pushed out an update to play audio from the dock and the tablet at the same time... Imagine, what a world that would be.

[@SolixTanaka]

The problem is this wanders into the exact gray area of speaker grouping where Google would have limited functionality because of patents in place by Sonos. This infringement is what cost Google tens of millions to Sonos just a couple years ago.

[@jesselioce]

Cmon xda community 🤞

[@Samuel.55]

​@SolixTanaka how does Amazon get away with it with Alexa?

[@majutsush1]

​@@SolixTanakagod i hate patents

[@thisisabsolutelystup]

​@@majutsush1software patents are particularly bad. So much of the time they've been allowed to claim an outcome - eg speaker grouping - not the method by which it is achieved, which is what patents are supposed to protect.

[@bobfish9164]

Wish the dock worked as a google home speaker by itself, that would be really cool to be able to play music on it without the tablet connected. Seems reasonable given how much they cost

[@Scarlet_Soul]

It's £599 in the UK which is $760 which is honestly ridiculous. I was potentially in this until I saw that price.

[@israellai]

Same. How does money work

[@kyleg3588]

Does that 599 include VAT? Because the US price never includes taxes.

[@liamsz]

oh wow, that's almost as much as a pretty good laptop

[@matr1x327]

@@kyleg3588 yes it does

[@lars2894]

Buy it from the US?

[@eggbag4182]

I think the whole concept of it become a smart home device while docked is pretty neat but other than that it is one of the tablets of all time

[@TheMlg556]

it is, indeed, one tablet

[@elone3997]

@@TheMlg556 Agreed, it's a tablet...not sure of all time but yes, a tablet.

[@HRDSalami654]

I agree with you, but given the state of Android tablets that better than you can say about the other tablets its competing with. It's not nothing that the tablet itself is a fine tablet that isn't going to amaze people because the bar is so low, and hopefully if Google cares about this long enough (yes I know, that's why it took so long for me to buy a Pixel) we can see some real progress on the hardware and software side.

[@justinballa]

That's exactly what I use it for. A replacement for my Google Nest Hub

[@bruhatthedesk5118]

I use an old Samsung that docks and connects to my home assistant. If I disconnect it, I can just use it like a normal tab. What makes this really cool is the speaker

[@username65585]

The Nest Hub is $99. That is cheaper than the stand for this tablet’s stand.

[@MartijnTV]

Hey Shortcircuit, for your battery tests you should test at the same perceived brightness (in nits) instead of 50% brightness. If the phone can get way brighter that means you won't have to have it at 50% brightness but can have it at 35% to have the same visuals and that makes the tablet come out better than it really would in real life.

[@nothinginteresting1833]

then it wouldn't be fair for other devices for low end it would be hard while for high end it would be easy.its better for everything 50% for every devices

[@-morrow]

​@@nothinginteresting1833how would that not be fair just because a device is cheaper?

[@crowaust]

@@nothinginteresting1833 I disagree, if the basic level to be useful as a tablet is 300 nits brightness(example value could be 200 or whatever, just make it a standard level), it would be better to test at the same brightness value across all devices, if a Basic tablet can only survive 1 hour at a useable brightness then it is shit and should appear shit on the graph.

[@B.D.F.]

9:00 I feel like there should be camera comparisons to other tablets in this price range, like the 10th gen iPad, both rear-facing and front-facing.

[@KyleRuggles]

Yeah! Especially since it's more for home, I'd expect the front camera to be really great for video conferencing.. Ya know? That dock could rotate and ya know? heh.. It seems pretty useless to me compared to other tablets, at that price.. ugh...

[@WalterMan]

The iPad 10th Gen has much better 12mp cameras

[@cthomas025]

I am really hoping that they don't kill it, because I'm definitely in for the idea for v2. But also I think the price is just a tad steep.

[@noxious_nights]

a cheaper version with a lower spec processor would be nice, a Pixel Tablet S if you will

[@ILoveGrilledCheese]

Why? Google should stop making devices period. They’ve all been bad

[@sohaibarif2835]

Price is fine if they commit to software support. That is why Apple can charge more, people pay if they know it will still work in 5 years.

[@buzzsaw1000]

V2 will be very tempting

[@louie.idkone]

​@@ILoveGrilledCheeseincorrect

[@davidzeager262]

Loving the lab integration being utilized so heavily! What a great addition for short circuit-style videos!

[@Sakosaga]

I am actually surprised the speakers don't come out both stand and tablet

[@ghomerhust]

or at least have the option somewhere in the settings

[@largewallofbeans9812]

I'd love to see an optional keyboard dock, assuming the 4 pins for the dock are the same 4 pins as USB.

[@alyx6427]

@@spiderpig1736if it was an ipad pro yeah, but it isn’t and they don’t have the same magic as apple

[@anon_y_mousse]

@@spiderpig1736 I would argue that they're also not making meaningful use of their money because they'll be in a locked down platform that has planned obsolescence.

[@seangodde5429]

I actually think you sold me on getting this. What I've been wanting is an at-home tablet for basic web browsing and video watching, with a convenient method of charging/smart home interaction The fact that it's as powerful as a pixel 7a/pro is all the power I need (I'm using a pixel 6 and it's more than fast enough for my needs) for what I want. Thanks for the honest review and more importantly: some stats to make me realise where it stands in terms of performance

[@PaveMentman]

--- Just easily missable big fair warning: This device does not have flashlight / LED-light for the camera among other various things. I for one highly recommend you do a comparison between "Nokia T21" and "Google Pixel Tablet" over at "GSMarena" to see how much Google-premium you would be paying for "air" ( sure, Google-tablet has gyro and compass, but otherwise feature plus utility-wise it really seems not to all that "better" but quite the same aside for the Pixel plus North-America-exclusive Google-features ). ---

[@SimonBauer7]

​@@PaveMentmana camera flash isnt a thing most people need on a tablet.

[@PaveMentman]

--- @@SimonBauer7 By that logic: Why even have a camera on the tablet / enlarged smartphone / PDA-devices? Your argument-talk is pretty much identical to the any other penny-pincher-decision-folks who made the last call to remove headphone-jacks from almost all devices in "favour" of the wireless ones. And made seven-segment error-code displays a "premium"-feature for the motherboards. ---

[@DanC]

I miss the 2nd gen Nexus 7, easily my favorite tablet ever.

[@Eeveewashere]

Yes.

[@yeti25934]

Same. If they made a reasonably priced successor, I'd buy it in a heartbeat

[@zyten]

I‘m still a bit mad that the price is so high in the EU. It seems like they force buyers to pay for the dock as well, which means that the whole package costs almost 700€.

[@peterfconley]

Nexus 7 is one of the greatest tablets of all time. I used the bejesus out of that thing and at $129, there has never been a better value.

[@pineapple2703]

I'd very much like Google to release an App for older tablets to turn them into Google displays, help with longevity. Or perhaps like a generic dock so you can plug in a speaker and charge for example Edit: googled it and there is sort of a mode for this called 'Ambient mode' in Google assistant. I'd still like to see perhaps an official Google speaker Dock with a USBC cable connection so we can have a more standard experience

[@bosstowndynamics5488]

At that point though you might as well just use a basic speaker with a USB C adaptor, it would be much cheaper and offer much the same experience as a general purpose cabled speaker dock. With how basic this dock is Google would probably be charging 150+USD for something with a proper type C interface

[@LVIS-a]

Why is the tablet being tested against pixel products? If I'm in the market for a tablet (as a consumer), I am not comparing it to a phone... I'm comparing it to other tablets. Labs did a fail.

[@franciscolodix1214]

Please don't make a battery life test with a percentage of maximum brightness of the screen. It is useless when displays have different brightness. Use a set brightness of 300nits or something.

[@arkhikun]

not really relevant. the average person doesn't measure nits on their screen. they measure based on the slider

[@0wnz0rz888]

Google engineer: what if we take the Nest Hub Max and made the display removablr from the base? Google Sales: holy moley make it so!

[@SteampunkFiend]

Really would love to see a comparison between the pixel tab and iPads in terms of different use cases. Would help me get a better idea if its worth my time. Ltt video idea?

[@ChronoXShadow]

I kinda hate that when big companies 'attempt' a tablet, they put almost no effort into making it worth it.

[@MSayeed]

This is the 3rd pixel tablet and Google killed it in Europe with the pricing.

[@ElCidCampeador1994]

How much euros? 600€?

[@sawiix9850]

​@@ElCidCampeador1994680€

[@ElCidCampeador1994]

@@sawiix9850 how can google thinks that this price is a good idea?

[@sawiix9850]

@@spiderpig1736 around 700€ but you can find it on other big sellers at around 600€ easily

[@ElCidCampeador1994]

@@spiderpig1736 698.99€ with charger and a discount of 9% (Spain). I say that is Spain because in Spain our politicians make a law and if you buy any smartphone, tablet, flash drive, ssd/hdd, any device with memory to pay a canon because the goverment say that the device are use to pirate movies, series, etc.

[@du3lmaul3rs50]

Ive been wanting this as a feature for the Nest Hub/Max for a while now, but I think at that price with the lack-luster cameras/microphones it will have to wait a generation (if they actually keep this product line).

[@Jon49522]

The thing that would really sell me on this is a really high quality webcam/mic, for easy, high-quality video calls with friends and family. Considering how terrible both were in Riley's testing, I'll have to wait and see what gen 2 is like.

[@OKNOWIMMAD12345678]

Super glad to see labs data on short circuit. Makes these videos much more substantive

[@Arc0w]

At a lower price I will get it. Like said in the video, for an addition to my already existing smart home setup it is pretty nice.

[@Sammeakings]

Now imagine every iOS device, iPad and phone alike, gain MagSafe and standby then there would be millions of devices that could do just this but with better sound and apps or do this with just the iPhone

[@evilleader1991]

I love my Google nest Hub, so versatile. Can use it as a 3rd monitor to watch streams while im doing work and also use it as pc speaker 😂

[@Artak091]

I returned mine. The speaker quality on the base stand is not good. The tablet is slow and clunky. And many Android apps don't run on a tablet. Should have been ChromeOS so you can use Linux features.

[@ThistleBlue]

The problem I have with Apple products being suggested is all the apps that I already paid for on Android and the Play Store. Like yeah I get that it's probably a bit better and all but in the long run it's gonna cost more to get apps back JUST for a tablet.

[@SimonBauer7]

it really isnt. beleive me i know both. apples ipad is overhyped. a good quality android tablet is the same as an ipad.

[@colindavidch]

​@@SimonBauer7I couldn't disagree with that more because apple actually supports the ipad with new features and software updates that make the experience better where as Google just forgets that android for tablets is a thing. Also most apps on Android tablets are years behind the ones on iPads, not even KZbin on Android tablets is updated as much as the ipad version is.

[@viella90]

​@@SimonBauer7personally i disagree. I am usually more of an Android person for my phones but for my tablets i've tried two Android tablets and finally bit the bullet and bought an iPad and it just thought out much better than the top of the line Android tablets i tried.

[@VincentGroenewold]

The third party situation is the same for years already and why the tablets keep on failing. It's the design of Android that just doesn't have this right, the one thing Apple is actually good in and why developers want to spend a bit of time on making their app work everywhere, the tools make it easy (I use Android btw).

[@saulgoodman2018]

They should sell it without the speaker. No reason the tablet could not have bluetooth. At least Google assistant. That's what makes it useless. Now you can only use it with this tablet.

[@pinkowl9752]

I totally agree with them using a barrel plug for charging, USB-C is great but it's way more delicate.

[@twgok13]

The entire thing would be perfect if they priced it appropriately - mid-range soc, mid screen, even mid speaker in the dock. Not even usbc for power? They cut EVERY corner. I hope some serious company does the same form factor cause i would like it as a present for my parents. But not for this price.

[@JohnnieHougaardNielsen]

I've got it, and found that the dock makes it much more useful than "just" a tablet to be hand-held when in use (or with some flappy contraption to act as a messy stand). While it works nicely hand-held, it is not dead the rest of the time.

[@harsh_singh332]

"I don't make tablets , i make fun of them 🤨" Riley

[@bgezal]

This is made to be used with Google Home yet it is barely mentioned or tested.

[@IGiganticusI]

Sounded like it was gonna be a somewhat cheap tablet, but Its closer to 800 bucks here in Sweden...

[@knobwobble]

11:49 I'm not gonna lie, as insane as it sounds I am absolutely so lazy I'd prefer to cast a video from my phone to my tablet or computer instead of just searching it up independently on that device

[@kkon5ti]

2:03 riley got bamboozled when he said „wow“, it still is only 5gbits

[@juliancantarelli]

I want something like this to have in the kitchen and use it as a recipe book or to watch cooking videos. Maybe an "old" iPad with an arm? Opinions?

[@-B.H.]

Not sure why you went through the trouble of doing 720p video longevity playback and didn't put in a 1080p slide next.

[@Wezzybman]

I can see them doing this to have the mass market price point, and then later on release a pixel tablet pro max+™ that's compatible with the dock. they shouldve released the expensive one first though, if that's the case. i can also see them not making another tablet for the next 12 years

[@tomsbondars]

This is the pro version actually. They had a cheap version that was scrapped according to leaks.

[@ADHDreams]

The barrel style A/C power plug takes this product from a 8 to a solid 2

[@Matt-wc2mf]

Bought one for the use cases of: Glorified Nest Hub, but also being able to watch something else on youtube or surfing while my wife is watching something on TV and/or I'm eating breakfast at the table without having to break out a laptop, and then also to watch movies on airplanes instead of having to watch on my cell phone and/or laptop. They're also just shipping the cases that have a kick stand that still allows for use with the dock.

[@iGaximus]

Why are all the comparisons against the pixel phones and not competing tablets?

[@nexussilent13]

12:23 Ipad... man he held out as much as he could.

[@HerrDerpington]

Wish it had an 8 inch version. The world needs a good iPad mini competitor size-wise.

[@haakman123]

Is this a better Nest Hub tho? Maybe it is there, but the video didnt show any docking mode where it shows the basic stuff like calander and lights like it does on the Nest Hub

[@RealGengarTV]

"Doom scroller" name of id softwares next action FPS game

[@phaldaz]

$130 for the base is very terrible value without any built in 'Google nest' capabilities. When you can have a nest mini for (many times in the year) less than half that amount... I am not a fan

[@BenFlankem]

Looks like Kip Dynamite found a job with LMG as a cameraman. Good for him.

[@alfanzoblanco1608]

Photos seemed oddly decent from what I see in the video

[@tutacat]

On most android phones you can swatch the 2nd app with the app switcher button. To swap them you have to drag the 2nd to fullscreen then split again. But some phones don't let you manually enter split screen.

[@leo11877]

Should have put an optical out / USB audio out on the base for an "audiophile" music source.

[@BraveInstance]

This makes zero sense when you can pick up an iPad Air with a desktop class M1 chip in it for a similar price.

[@radroroscam3770]

IPad Air don’t have multi users, cannot be used specifically as a dock and it’s features like a nest hub or pixel tablet, doesn’t have a dedicated speaker, no side loading, the mic is straight up trash compared to the pixel tablet.

[@joeyebeling7681]

I'm thinking of getting this to sit in my kitchen to show recipes and play podcasts at a louder volume than my phone

[@Ajaxster]

I picked one of these up to replace my ancient Lenovo tablet and its great! Just like its designed to be it basically stays at home and I'll use it for reading, videos, internet etc. and I can side load all the apps I regularly use which I wouldnt have on a ipad. The dock makes it really great for watching a video in bed and stuff. If you are already using a tablet regularly like I was and looking for an upgrade but want to stick to android this is excellent. I recomend it.

[@theartworker9643]

I love the way that David was yawning and then looking chill. I wonna see more daft and weird stuff when the host does a test shot of the crew.... the dafter the better 🤣. RIP ladder prop, you will be missed.

[@Clarkzer0]

The dealbreaker for me was if the hub could be used as a media output for the tablet. Such a dumb, shortsighted decision that will result in landfills full of ewaste for no reason other than a slightly slightly slightly smaller initial cost.

[@GabrielRM]

$500 is steep? US has the cheaper price by far. UK start at £600 which is currently $762. And the 256GB version is nearly $900 (£700)!! Can you imagine if the marketing and reviews were actually talking about the prices in Europe? This would flop instantly.

[@EpicMrBlack6869]

Why can't Google just make a good, reasonably priced Android tablet. Why do they keep trying to reinvent the wheel

[@PatGencarelli]

I understand the barrel charger, it's something that isn't going to be unplugged ever.

[@Junkie_Queen]

I've noticed the microphone on every pixel I own sounds extremely quiet it's not just that tablet

[@KeepAnOpenMind]

No offence, but in 2023 people still looking for a mini-jack always surprise me. Why don’t you also look for a cd-rom? Or an RJ-11?

[@CaptainFabulous84]

The point is they're not chasing Apple, they're playing to their own strengths. If you want an iPad then get an iPad. If you want an Android tablet that fully integrates with your other Android/Pixel devices and doubles as a big-screen Nest hub, then get this.

[@DuncDog]

The microphone volume may be quiet, but those were insanely clear to my ear at least.

[@teckkyfreak]

Is it me or did I see the camera man having a cheeky snooze around 9:00 ? 😅

[@jorismak]

Since in the Android world you only have $600 awesome tablets, something in between to compete with the base ipad is really needed. This and the Xiaomi Pad5 are actually devices under $400 that perform nicely as a gaming thing for your kids for example. Cheapest ipad new is the 2020 version with only 64gb here for $380. If you want an Ipad with 128gb or more you have to pay $550 or more, even for models from 2 years ago. So, if they don't charge crazy for the minimum storage you actually want on a device like this, it's a good price!

[@clan_barbalax4031]

I'm very tempted to get this for school with a keyboard attachment of some kind, as it's only a little more expensive than a laptop

[@VLS-Why]

I bought it on release day and watched this video on it. I've enjoyed it quite a bit, would recommend!

[@sp33dyt0rr3s]

But also don't forget that your speed slows down when a new device is being connected...

[@TominiOfficial]

"I don't make tablets, I just make fun of them" - Riley, 2023 [7:32]

[@merced175]

Barrel charger?! NEXT!

[@SpectrGamingg]

I might make a video review for this tablet, because I love it so much. To be fair, my biases are that I am in the Pixel ecosystem, my smart home is all google assistant based, AND I work from home and travel for work every few months. Its lovely to just have this thing as a smart remote, controlling my home from one central hub that I can also pick up and walk around with in the morning and check emails, just great. The fit an finish are lovely, the bezels are the perfect size IMO, just to have something to hold on to. This is mostly my in between device so I will grab it when I'm on the couch and want to scroll articles, maybe check in with my productivity apps and I want a screen larger than my pixel 6 Pro, but don't want to sit at my desk and use my pc. I play tons of hearthstone on it and it runs better than on said Pixel 6 pro. I will straight up just unplug the base and plop it on my desk to play while I work or at my table to watch or read something while I sip coffee. The added smarthub functionality just means this thing is great in your hands or set down. I never felt like it needed MORE power (this isnt an iPad pro, kids), since the tasks I do on it are relatively light but really helpful in keeping me organized. My one issue would be the charging speed when taking it on the go, but to download some movies on this thing or play an offline game on a quick plane ride, this is more than you really need. A lot of people are down on this because it isnt a powerhouse like the iPad pro, but most people aren't editing videos on their iPad. Another gripe I have is with the base, I feel like it could've had a Bluetooth or wifi antenna and been great, but the fact that it doesn't just kind of makes it a "meh" brick. I would recommend it for anyone who wants a cool way to control their home while also getting a useful tablet to use as that "in-between" device and might not already have a competing tablet. It's definitely great for people in the pixel ecosystem and who have google assistant running their house.

[@Bassquake76]

9:17 David channelling his inner Steven Hawking there 😄

[@Cyber_vir]

Damn 2018 was 5 years ago

[@roughcollielover1784]

why not eq the sound when it's on the dock? LOL informative but a great amount of critical opinion. This was designed for a certain consumer which based on owner reviews and other pro reviews is a vast improvement and hits a sweet spot in the market

[@IPlayGames3]

8:09 someone's been watching their dankpods, huh?

[@Jj82op]

I've recently noticed that ShortCircuit has never featured any HyperX products, is there something specific for why or just a coincidence? Their products are generally good and a great option for its prices.

[@broklond]

Probably no really interesting products from HyperX

[@adilsonbankai]

They really aren't tho. Sure, they are generally better than the other "gamer" BS around, but they are usually pretty bad for their prices.

[@FilippEXE]

​@@GH0STST4RSCR34MHyperX is the gaming subbrand of Kingston (which was bought out by HP)

[@adilsonbankai]

​@@GH0STST4RSCR34M Not on every product, because they actually rebrand pretty decent products (mostly headphones), however they triple the price from the original. That's why people that never had a decent pair of headphones generally like Cloud II (Takstar Pro 80/82), Cloud Orbit S (Audeze Mobius), etc. They are usually competent, but they are VERY overpriced.

[@Peterstarzynskitech]

Aw come on. I was waiting for that sponsor at the end. Haha.

[@robertu]

4:10 Did you forget about Android Honeycomb that was launched in 2011 on the Motorola Xoom and designed for tablets.

[@profosist]

Riley: ShortCircuit is a KZbin channel. Me: I would sure hope so!

[@rcadit]

You should compare to the iPads in the charts

[@AgentLokVokun]

Is LTT Casually plugging "Redbull" energy drinks now? Seen plenty of them "casually" places in convenient locations on set while filming.

[@tramcrazy]

Yes, $499 is a little steep. In the UK the price is £599, which converts to $763. That’s not steep, that’s vertical.

[@dibrentley7915]

might be ok to take travelling with you but at aud its like 800. bit rich for limited use plus you would have to drag the dock around with you.

[@PhysicsGamer]

I'd never buy one of these things, but I'm glad to see that they're still using a barrel jack. They work so much better for power than USB-C...

[@jondoe6608]

agreed, also no headphone jack on a tablet too, you can't even pull the (nonsense) size excuse here, its just plain and open hostility.

[@tmog1000]

I was dead set on buying this tablet and even went to curry's to get hands on. They didn't have one in stock, luckily. Later I found out that it doesn't have GPS! I do a lot of travelling so GPS is essential. My Galaxy Tab from 2019 will have to last a bit longer.

[@Steveddie93]

I got my fiance the Google Nest Hub Max and we use it all the time to watch TV while cooking, for timers and using our smart lights.

[@odorikakeru]

I use a nest hub and this product is actually so close to being tempting for me. I think if they just added three more features (well, two features and change) then I would be breaking out a calculator to see if I could actually afford one. Without the following, I would be losing more than I would gain from upgrading. 1, I wouldn’t want to lose sleep sensing. 2, The microphones need to be front facing, not on the top. 3, The dock should double up as a Bluetooth speaker, if only for when the screen is disconnected.

[@ArmandsPadrevics]

Does it offer the same stuff that Nest hub offers? Meaning can I use it in the Good morning routine, set a spaghetti timer, and also connect to other Google smart devices to make a group? Currently I have Google home and Nest Hub in a group to amplify the sound through my apartment. This for me is important as those connections are vital whether to I purchase it or not

[@MobikSaysStuff]

Yep, definitely expected Riley to do this one.

[@TheJtorres182]

I don't know why, its clear he dislikes any android tablet that comes through him.

[@_____alyptic]

ChromeOS would've been interesting with a G2 SoC

[@khyoyeon554]

Yeah, but then they'd have to support the G2 hardware for 7+ years. Much cheaper to forget about it in a couple of years

[@DesuVR]

Lenovo has already done this concept years ago and for a fraction of the price, the Smart Tab M10 Plus.

[@confusedbeard69]

For $499 I would buy one in a heart beat, but here in Sweden it's $750 with taxes and stuff added.

[@HungryzStuff]

I just realised that it looks like the iPad 9.5 (A fusion between the iPad 9 and 10)

[@Dwar3cky]

I don't know why, but this tablet reminds me of the Nexus 10. It was a good time

[@EoRdE6]

I dont understand complaints about barrel plugs, they're arguably the most open charging standard out there. Standardized, generic, no trademarks, easily replaceable, 360° plugability, whats not to love

[@ArtyBicardi]

Im already having issues with it, It doesn't let me access the hub mode when docked, Is anybody else having issues with this?