More Speed: Are Ceramic Bearings Worth It?

[@MX304]

The kit bearings that come with the B6.1 are single shield oiled bearings. Probably the most free spinning bearing I have ever seen right out of the box.

[@ShortCourseWorld]

MX304 agreed

[@Ripitupfilms]

Yup

[@abcdefgh-db1to]

Xray bearings are great too, they are super precise yet extremely free

[@Borrdrc]

between your videos and ryan styles, this newbie to offroad is learning alot. Thanks for the awesome content Jason

[@triggerhappydad65]

Borrd Maybe you meant Ryan Harris?

[@Borrdrc]

@@triggerhappydad65 yer he calls himself Ryan styles harris

[@nate1593]

Another example of why stock shouldn’t be called stock, it’s anything but

[@CarminesRCTipsandTricks]

Couldn't agree more!! It's even worse now, then they were way back in my day of Brushed Motors and NiCD ONLY! The only things we really got away with were Endbell tweaking and Battery levelling and matching. Now it seems like the only thing "Stock" anymore is the Motor.... and even THAT can be "tuned" a bit....

[@devinbyrnes8058]

Our club found the word Stock too confusing for new racers so we called the class Spec instead. Small change but much clearer.

[@CarminesRCTipsandTricks]

@@devinbyrnes8058 That's really a clever idea! I hope it catches on.

[@VestedUTuber]

How does this actually translate to actual performance, though? Is the difference in friction big enough relative to the torque of the motor to give a significant advantage, or is this more of an "every last little advantage" kind of thing?

[@VestedUTuber]

@Gravity Racer GT It depends. If your car starts out with bushings or grease-packed bearings, there's definitely going to be more of a difference. Most no-prep cars are based on RTR platforms which generally use lower end hardware.

[@GeeShocker]

I really appreciate that you're releasing more videos again. THX

[@yubee4672]

The friction mainly comes from the seals and grease.

[@Jax-pg3zm]

Ryan Harris has a great video on reoiling ceramic bearings

[@ShortCourseWorld]

Max J nice

[@jesseortega8598]

Awesome Tip Jason! Thanks for the Video! I'll have to invest in some Ceramic Bearings for Both my Associateds B6 Buggies

[@jacobrudock8071]

I was not expecting there to be that much of a difference.

[@ineedbigdrink8509]

No lateral(thrust) load friction doesn’t mean much for bearings, unless both cars being compared have absolutely identical lubrication. That being said, I would run ceramic in the transmission and steel in the wheel hubs where there is more lateral stress. I was impressed with the kit bearings in my B6.1D, I don’t think I’ll be upgrading them until they need to be replaced.

[@rcbuggies57]

extremely good oil for reducing the amount of friction, using sewing machine oil. it's incredibly thin and lightweight and is meant to lubricate the minuscule incredibly fast bearings in sewing machines, which are very similar to bearings found in rc transmissions. Old longboarding trick.

[@VestedUTuber]

I'd say the results aren't entirely that conclusive, but they're pretty solid. I'd like to see average lap times, same driver, same car, and possibly multiple test groups (stock bearings as control, blown and oiled stock as test group 1, ceramic bearings of brand A as test group 2, brand A blown and oiled as test group 3, groups 4 and 5 the same but with brand B, etc). Basically science the shit out of it.

[@rclover828]

Stock racing is getting too expensive I'll stick to mod.

[@BigBoy-hd8mf]

Did you blow out all the grease from the kit bearings? The grease pack is what makes most of that friction.

[@666bluegreen]

I have been taking one of the shields off for years, it makes a huge difference

[@kyledegroot14]

Best thing is pull the seals and use graphite it will "lock" the bearing initially but once its frees a stock bearing will spin as well as your ceramics do out of the box old trick from my days messing with yoyo's

[@Ripitupfilms]

Ceramics are great yet not worth the money if you are anywhere near real dirt. Cleaning the bearings every drive isn't worth the performance gain ceramics give you. Indoors yes.

[@CarminesRCTipsandTricks]

Ceramic Bearings have had an excellent reputation, and are superior in several ways (except lifespan!). I agree with you that they're freer rolling.... but some will bring up the issue of lateral loading. (Effect of the Bearings when the tires have a weight load, running on the ground) Is there some (inexpensive) means of testing these on some sort of rolling Dyno. Even if just to see how long it takes to stop from a free roll... Possible?

[@SILKYSMOOTH30FPS]

You can buy full ceramics on aliexpress for like $4 a bearing and $2.50 for a ceramic hybrid. Its only expensive if you're buying bearings in the us where companies resell them for 10 times the price.

[@rcbuggies57]

Talking about stock hop ups can you do a video on the new factory lite kit coming out, do you think the car coming with as many hop ups as it does will harm stock by dominating it completely or do you think it will open up the class to people who can't afford the class as it is.

[@twistedgooner6472]

Clean the stock bearings first get rid of that grease

[@zipkemhr]

Would love to see the comparison with full ceramic bearings...

[@robertpretts4482]

Really interested in your stock build. When will you complete it?

[@epameinondasvital2151]

Hello Jason and thanks for all these awesome videos!! I just got a 22 4.0 kit and I d like to starting building it! Is it possible to tell me the size of the bearings I need to replace @ the transmition as you did? Or just buy the full set of 22 4.0 ceramic bearings? Greetings from Germany

[@bmxguy73]

this is kind of a shot in the dark but i just bought a b44.3 and im rebuilding the center diff on it and was wondering how you shimmed your center diff on the b44.3, thanks i love your video's man super pumped whenever you post

[@burmese434]

idontknowgabe Did you get your answer yet?

[@makantahi3731]

are ceramic bearing dry-because most of drag are by cage , grease, seal, and less by rotating of balls on outer and inner ring

[@subsociety]

Thinking about getting a new kit, have a B6.1D, but also want a 4wd. Recommend getting into tlr? I worry since they haven’t come out with a new one in a while, they will right after I buy one.

[@rprice888]

Just cleaned out the stock bearings in the rear gear box of my YZ4 and its heaps better than the front gearbox which I have not done yet.

[@muddfoot69]

So how about a brand vs brand “bang for the buck” ceramics comparison

[@aroaris]

I like the comparison! Expensive but worth it for racing!

[@ytybysp]

good test

[@HYEonDEATHROW]

Now we need a “how to do maintenance to ceramic bearings” 😀.

[@redbull2007]

mugen mbx8 eco review in the future?

[@ScottzillaRC]

Great comparison, thanks for sharing!!

[@jungyul2005]

I remember that long time ago only on-road guys used ceramic bearings, ceramic balls were weak to hard impacts. That was like 7~8 years ago... how about now?

[@RcOffroad9513]

Good video bro! I have a question about center diff oil? My mbx7 eco I run on my local track, keeps nosing down over this one jump In particular. Im running 5-5-2 diff oils. What would you sugest to try to stop this? Thanks!

[@dariusroyer]

Are ceramic bearings any more or any less durable than stock bearings from the 22 4.0 kit?

[@andrewwhite2863]

I was looking at buying ceramic bearings for my b6.1 project drag car. What is a good brand to get that isn't super expensive that I can get at most hobby shops?

[@msrcracing8387]

nice thanks for the tips and review

[@floridalife7877]

Just curious did you degrease the bearings with a cleaner or motor spray and then add oil or are these bearings right out of the package and installed?

[@skirmich]

But what about reliability? I used to run ceramic bearings on my diffs and they exploded, I never had a steel bearing grenade itself ever on a diff but I had 2 cars with ceramic bearings destroy diffs because they failed. What did you replace? Top shaft and middle gear? or diff too?

[@joracer1]

Just a quick question i forgot to ask when you 1st made this vid..... A these bearings full ceramic or hybrids?

[@matthewpyle7573]

The bearings that come with the 2018 Xray XB2 are so smooth and free I feel like there's no need to get ceramics for it. Same with the 2018 XB4.

[@nitro-rc6241]

More videos??

[@STEVOD313]

Nice comparison thanks for sharing this

[@NordicRC]

Good test. Thanks for sharing. Would have been nice with a test with free spinning wheels. Couldn't the huge difference be the drive train?

[@chrismooneyham5279]

Just spinning a wheel doesn't show us anything. There is NO LOAD.

[@swank1975]

Great vid. I have my tranmission ceramic set I've not yet installed in my 17.5 buggy. Time to tear into it. :)

[@elevensixty2434]

Has the channel taken a break? Really like the host, hope it keeps going

[@artworkbyjohn3254]

ceramic bearing only have a advantage at high RPM high heat not the RPM nor heat a rc car will generate. Same scam is happening in the bicycle world. Lab test proved no advantage given . Also any dirt on the bearing will lose any advantage the ceramic bearing would of had. So save your money and buy performance parts that actually make a difference. Ceramic bearings are used in industrial applications because of less maintenance usually on high speed conveyors belts but still not the speed RPM on a RC car gearbox wheels steering etc .

[@bonethuggerrc]

What's your take on jq ecar

[@iliadz2092]

What brand of ceramic bearings are they? I just tried a set from a fairly well known vendor and they had significantly MORE friction than my stock bearings. I've e-mailed them with a video of the performance and waiting on their reply. That aside, would like to find some good ones!

[@VestedUTuber]

The grease packed into the bearings has a massive effect. Try blowing out the grease from the bearings, lubricating them with oil instead, and giving them another try.

[@darkhorsegarage9623]

I race motorcycles Everyone runs ceramic bearings. I put them in and basically did the same test with my bike. I put the bike on a stand with the wheel off the ground. Gave it a flick. It went around two and one half revolutions . No front brakes on my bike. The after replacing the front wheel bearing with ceramic, I repeated the test. After two minutes the wheel was still spinning.

[@andrewwhiting5526]

What do you use to lubricant your ceramic bearings?

[@caspercohrt8944]

There is no friction / resistance on the bearings when they just hang freely in the air. If you want the right result, they must be tested on a track. There you will see the real difference .. If there is a difference.

[@t2nate137]

Do you think that ceramic bearings could be useful in a outdoor 1/8 super light buggy?

[@t2nate137]

Rm Blake I want to make a super light 1/8 buggy. Around 5.5lbs compared to the over 8lbs of a conventional buggy. And am also planning to run 2s which should be enough for a superlight. So I think that using up the most of the 2s that I can is essential.

[@t2nate137]

Rm Blake true. But there aren’t any 3s “racing” lipos i can find.

[@t2nate137]

Oh and it’s not my idea. Tekno made a ed48sl designed for 2s.

[@bigbob3409]

T2NATE VIDEOS I've been thinking about getting an 8th scale buggy. Which one is the lightest ?

[@t2nate137]

Bill Johnson I really don’t know but I’m making a costume on using the slash 4x4 and the ssc8 chassis kit.

[@johnnyrocket5744]

Does it work for all car's

[@thesouth50]

You sold me bud

[@charlesyoung8600]

That test proves nothing. There is no load being applied to the tire therefore no load to the bearing. I don't see why people do this as a test, who drives their car like that. See if it does the same thing with all four wheels on the ground. Hambini does a great upload about ceramic bearing vs standard stainless steel bearing people should watch. Then maybe they will stop doing this thinking it means something.

[@ingleringlet-snipps3rd449]

Amazing difference.

[@golferchin76]

It is not worth it. Just the same as in bicycle world. The lap time doesn’t change. And it is prone to damage.

[@stephanez8036]

can i be the A-hole sayin' " bearings needs to be driven first to run smoother !! " the ceramic are really really smooth ! but i think it's not thanks to the ceramic, i guess it's more thanks to the lack of grease and different seals ; what do you think ?

[@NerdlyCNC]

stephane Z you can do / say whatever you want. Still a fair comparison since neither set has been “driven in”

[@JoelSmithR1]

The ceramic is smoother than steel. Lack of grease would contribute but sometimes ceramic bearings have a lubricant in them too

[@oneeyemonster3262]

There's just less drag..even if it wasnt ceramic..I can easily tell..after I lube the regular beaings verse no lube ( out of the box)..if you install ceramic bearings in brushless motors..the motors would run cooler, perform better over all... if you were racing in a class...with motor size limits..ect. It would make a differences...after 5 mins into the race. It would also make a difference..if I get a no name brand motor..which perform decent..but I know I can slap better bearings in to gain better performance

[@arthurbreault2949]

Well that just made my decision looks like I am buying ceramic Bearings for my b6.1lol

[@gooklyn888gooks9]

I was given some for my b6.1d is there a real difference between them?

[@hazel-rah4997]

Just save the money...

[@nahs7478]

I want youto review xb2 2019 ce^^

[@Reindeer911]

Not really conclusive... You should do some speed runs with a GPS and see what the difference (if any) there is. That's a more practical/real world test. I don't doubt for a second that ceramic bearings are superior to kit bearings, but the question is how much and if it is really worth the cost?

[@jere2300able]

Secrets awsome we all need a little help.

[@brandonbentley8532]

Yes.

[@pocher69]

I looked I cant find you on FB :(

[@twistedgooner6472]

I find it hard to believe that there would be a noticeable difference in driving between ceramic and stock

[@VestedUTuber]

It seems more like an "every last little advantage" kind of thing, honestly. Between two drivers of equal skill, ceramic bearings might give an edge to one of them, but in a typical club-level race it's probably not going to be noticeable.

[@thecman26]

Very true, no comparison! If you clean grease out of stock bearings and lube with a light oil. It will be better but not quite ceramic level!

[@1elaijah]

Unloaded friction vs loaded

[@kennethjeffriesjr2334]

Or run just run mod motor and turn the power down if needed no need for all that at all.

[@vcrepeau]

Kenneth Jeffries JR you can’t run a mod motor in a stock class 🤷🏽‍♂️. The ceramics were installed in the stock car.

[@dustincurtis8229]

Wow that is a huge difference. Can u do something showing difference when u let off the throttle on a paved surface or something along those lines. Maybe just rolling down the same hill or anything that will show the difference when the weight of the buggy is also involved. Thanks for the content u r putting online for newbie racers like me. It really helps.

[@LuisLPRCs]

I'm getting some Ceramic Bearings for my 4Tec 2.0. Nice Vid👍👍👍👍👍

[@mikefournier5416]

Overpriced aftermarket goodies that may shave milliseconds off ur time won’t get u to the worlds or increase ur fun factor. A great driver that puts in the time will do as well with a stock kit without hundreds of $ in hop up$, don’t be a sucker.

[@turtletrading4207]

You must be that great driver.

[@matthewbyrd398]

Not to mention lower temperatures and better battery life.

[@bobaloo682]

A better easy test.. use the same motor and battery.. Set the RPM the same and look at the amp draw..

[@stsst7788]

you should race these 2 car instead of just spin it

This is useless, friction in roller bearings comes more than 85% from the shields and lubricant, in the last 15% the difference in friction might be at most around 20%. Knowing that 20% of 15% is 3% of the total, what is shown here in not valid. Never in equal cars mounted the same way, except for the bearings we could find this supposed gain in rolling resistance.

[@joracer1]

The hybrid bearing, there not much difference in those and std... remove seals clean grease, dry, 1 drop oil, leave inside seal out, not much difference... maybe 5%....

[@hazel-rah4997]

Welcome to the information age where the best liar sells the most crap.

[@Rubbinz24]

Aren't most stock (ie.TLR) bearings greased, not oiled like ceramics? That would make all the difference in the world, if they were, wouldn't it? Mabye clean and lube both, with the same oil? That would make it even more "scientific"! 😉

[@Rubbinz24]

Anyone? Looking your way Jason....lol

[@se7ensnakes]

Poor poor test. To test bearing you need to put a load on them. You also need to run a little bit so the grease becomes less of a drag. Finally you need to test this with a quality steel bearing (like NTN) and a quality ceramic bearing. This test does not mean much

[@ShortCourseWorld]

cool....feel free to post a link to your vid.

[@rockncoop665]

My dad knows you his name is Chad Phillips

[@00godlovesus]

your my friend:)

[@slimjimmcsausage1279]

I've tried them all. Rubber seal , metal, rubber and metal, and ceramic. And on all my 8 scale I've never noticed a difference. I could see maybe on 10 scale on road cars there would be a slight difference. Imo

[@deggers78]

I bet the same grease isn't in the two different types of bearing so this means nothing. Don't be fooled by this

[@preyingmathis2517]

Well shit

[@c.g.c2067]

Ceramic bearings? 😂😂😂😂