Shotgun vs. AR-15: 5 Reasons Why Shotguns WIN Every Time!

[@AllAboutSurvival]

Two words: pump action. The AR doesn’t have that cinematic clack-clack intimidation factor!

[@BanthamNobilis]

You watch to many movies, if you wait to pump it so that you can intimidate someone, you're already dead.

[@EsyuDach]

that just tells the bad guys that you're stupid enough to make noise and be one rd short in a fight, with a very small mag capacity gun.

[@oddish4352]

Shotgun have weaknesses, but tremendous strengths in several areas. AR's have few overwhelming strengths (aside from magazine capacity), but no significant weaknesses.

[@EsyuDach]

there's 40+ reasons why the silenced, shorrty AR with trigger job, night sights, scope OPTION, 22lr conversion unit, 60 gr Nosler partitiion softpoints, and 60 gr Aquila 22 subsonic ammo are WAY better. Nobody needs to hit birds in the air. they all land sometime. At 20 ft, the shot pattern is at most 8" wiide, so you still have to aim the shotgun like a rifle inside of your home. and if you have loved ones who might become hostages, you dont WANT a wide pattern, when you have to take a head shot, right past the head of that loved one. The Ar can be had as a stripped lower receiver, or even as an 80% -finshed parts kit, so that only you know that you have it. It can be taken down and concealed in a grocery sack, it can be used very well wth just one hand, the AR has many times more effective range penetration and mag capacity than the shotgun.

[@Leif1963]

thats a lot of extra parts to carry just to match a pump gun with 6+1. If it takes a paragraph to make your argument you may want to reconsider. Not only that an MOH recipient touted his mossbergs ability in street fighting in Iraq. For the lone fighter a shotgun wins hands down. I was in Afghanistan and confidently carried mine everywhere outside the wire.

[@EsyuDach]

@@Leif1963 just cause you're stupid and it worked in one situation doesn't make the shotgun worth risking all of the times it's not waf. like ANY time the range is more tha30m and the attackers are using cover ANY time they are in or behind a car, or wearing concealed armor, or when the noise or flash at night results in accurate return fire or calling in a dozen more enemies from all directions. Just cause you can't follow an entire paragraph doesn' make your argument. It just makes you dumb

[@EsyuDach]

@@Leif1963 the only parts that aint ON the AR are the 3/4 lb of the 22 unit and its mag. Remove them from their case, wrap them in a shop towel and they ride very nicely in the thigh pocket of your cammies. If you can't even handle THAT, how will you handle the 7 lbs of 70 12 ga shells hmm? how many each of bird shot, buckshot and slugs.? i;t's the shotgun that cant even come CLOSE to the versatily of the Silencedd, night sighted AR and 22 unit. Shotgun fans cant shoot waf and are scared spitless of their shadows. That's why they want the shot pattern. That also means that their slugs will miss, cause they aint gonna practice with $1 per shell slugs. They also wont take the time needed to center their shot patterns on an enemy. If they WERE going to do that, they'd favor the silenced autorifle, practicing a lot with th e 22 converison unit, not flinchig from blasts, not drawing accurate return fire with their flashes at night, not calling in every enemy within a mile radius., like the dummies that they are.

[@Leif1963]

@@EsyuDach calm down old son...no one is gonna take your AR. Trying using grown up words. You are wound a little tight. I like my rifles but you are ignoring some basics in survival. The 12 is a hundred yard gun with foster slugs all day btw. But do you- maybe a little nicer though maybe.

[@terryrichards8645]

I can’t argue with any of this because I have both. Lol and I love them both.😅

[@Scott-n4d]

Who w wins at 500m? Yeah exactly

[@EsyuDach]

who wins aat 50m, using cover, without rifle sights? who wins when all you have is one arm? who winds when you need to coneal it in a pack, or fire quiet shots? or when you need to be able to fire the GI rd of 22lr? who wins when yuo need nitght sights, or a scope to see wtf is going on at 200m in the brush. Who wins when you want no dust stirred upon prone firing or whhen you need to have no muzzle flash?

[@Echolimabravo321]

Very good points. One point missed is a “magazine fed” 12gauge closes the gap with other platforms by way of quicker reloads and more rounds available than the standard 6+1. Last, with the right 12gauge platform , you could run 1300fps slugs all day without fatigue…. Good vid!

[@theguywithone]

Internal magazine/internal box magazine are still a magazine. Clip feeds the magazine, magazine feeds the firearm. (Not talking about muzzleloaders here). AR 15 wins: Mag capacity, fire rate, RANGE (if you let them get that close, you're not paying enough attention). The round or projectile(s) of either are only as effective as what and where they hit. A .22lr pistol in capable hands has and can be extremely effective. Never fight on someone else's terms. The best gun is the one you can shoot accurately and reliably. There is no "perfect gun for everyone".

[@EsyuDach]

shotguns never win vs a skilled man with the silenced ar, cause you cant afford to practice as mucgh as I can with airsoft, the 22 conversion ujnit and the silencer on the AR.. You cant swap uppers to be half mile effective, use 50 BMG, nor supppressed 458 SOCOM and quietly take deer or men at 1/4 mile. You cant even handle men who are wearing concealed amor you have nothing for indoor ranges. You have no 80 % parts kit, so nobody knows that you have it. You have no dark, rustproof finih, no night sights, no trigger job. no chromed chamber. Your shells are heavy, fragile, bulky, expensive, awkward to carry, slow to load. Tubular magazines cause shells to bulge when left loaded a long time, then they wont chamber. the shotgun is the choice of the ignorant.

[@TimDavis-wc7rc]

Good video. And I like shotguns, do to their destructiveness.

[@BanthamNobilis]

This is subjective as distance and surrounding is a factor. You're comparing a corvette to a pontoon boat, you shouldn't do that, it's disingenuous.

[@EsyuDach]

ih 1978, I fired 3 rds of 00 buck at an 18'x 24" torso at 50 measured yds. The dust on the backstop said that the shots were centered on the torso, but their were ZERO hits, each buckhot pellet at that distance, hits likd lrn in a 38 snub, So you need at leas3 of them to strike the chest organs That vitals circial is just 12" wide, frontal, and maybe only 8" wide, sideways on a skinny crackhead. so IPSC uses a 10' disk. if a load wont get any hits out of 27 tries at 50a yds, on an 18 disk, it's not going to get more than 2-3 on the vitals at 25 yds, and only 1-2 on the head shoulders of a cover user at 30yds. 30 yds on such a target is an esay snapshot with a silenced autorifle. the silencer makes the full charge 40c earch 223 every BIT as "tame"to use as the 9c bulk 22 ammorui the 22lr conversion , unit, small birdhsout aint woth a damn to the chest beyond about 20m . Buckshot and slugs are over $1 per shot. Witbout rifle sights, night sights, trigger job and a lot of practice, yoo cant recliably center your shot pattersn. Change size or make of shell andit will change the POI of the center of the pattern and often how tight the patten is. You know that you're inept, as well as cheap and lazy and cowardly to get skilled with such epensivve guns and amom. if you want to do that youd use the much cheaper 223 ammo thru the silencer AR and the 22's thru the conversion unit. so you'll miss with half of your pellets, even if the range WAS such that you could have kept all of the pellents on the man< IF you had balls/skills enough to center the pattern and if brush, cars, armore, etc did not stop all of your pellets+ Money not wasted on a shotgun shells can be spent on the far more likely to be neede pistol andor the far more likely to be justified hand to hand combat skill.

[@NoName-jv8ek]

Well. I have both. Yes I thought of this for home defense. I haven’t both a bullpup shot gun and a bullpup 5.56. Both will be great home defense weapons. Both are excellent in close quarters scenarios. But it’s all about the situation that you’re in and where the conflict will happen in the residence. The problem with the 5.56 is over penetration, but you have excellent follow up shots for more accuracy with the shotgun, depending on the load you’ll have less penetration more shot coverage but again, depending on the load, not necessarily as much Killing intent unless you go with a load such as a slug or double rounds that have a lot of penetrationIt all depends on the situation where you are in the house if there are people in other rooms, there’s too many variables to truly choose the best weapon, but in my case, I think I’ll stick with the shotgun because of the penetration issue.

[@EsyuDach]

shtf, the LAST thing you want is a short ranged, LOW penetration, low mag capacity NOISY gun. If it' aint shtf, all you need is a pistol, maybe two. A silenced 22 lr pocket piece, like the Ruger lcp22 the S&W2214, an externsively reworked Beretta M21 or Taurus PT22. What really makes a difference is getting a silencer that has the front sight mounted on it and the can only adding 2.5" of OAL to the package Then you can ccw it in your pants, under your shirt as you hike or work around the ranch. The 9mm should always be in its velcroed-in kydex front pants pocket rig. You aint any good with $1 each 12 ga slugs. That's why you want a shotgun instead of a rifle. You're counting on that shot pattern and being super fast with it, and that means you' wont be centered on the targret with it. People know to use darkness, cover, go prone, roll, dodge, etc. Which means you wont be getting reliable hits on them beyond 30m. annd within a month of shtf, the looters will all have some sort of armor and a helmet, taken from the dead.

[@Leif1963]

Nicely done...I have lots of choices but for urban defense, woodland survival its a 12 and it sits right next to my bed every night. Can't argue with simple logic.

[@slipdagger2350]

Sure, well, inside fifty yards. Much further and a shotgun becomes a really loud noisemaker. Shotguns are for people who lack the skills to use a rifle effectively.

[@billnunya9324]

This clown clearly knows just enough about firearms to trick people into thinking he actually knows what he's talking about. The ONLY one of these that is actually true is the "permissibility". AR's are MUCH more versatile, As far as simplicity, if you can operate one AR, you can operate them all, unlike shotguns that are vastly different from one to the next. Lastly, believe that hit probability and destructiveness is better with a shotgun is oneof the biggest myths about shotguns and demonstrates a complete lack of ballistics knowledge.

[@EsyuDach]

this page sucks. I've lost 2 long posts here and I wont be back