Shotguns in SHTF: Are they a viable option?

[@bev8200]

I always tell people, when shtf happens avoid all conflict, survive, and find the good people. It’s not a video game and we will probably end up refugees.

[@NavySooner]

100%

[@the_weed_in_your_garden9319]

Nobody really knows what SHTF really means. I've been through what some might call that. People watching too many movies like Mad Max or something. Reality is so much different

[@robdowns9339]

Yeah, the number of rounds we would ever need to fire, would correlate to the number of rounds we might shot back at us.... at some point one would be dead. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[@AntoineWilliams7118]

Being a refugee is a good thing. If you are a refugee, you get paid 1000’s of dollars by the US government. They even give you free housing and cell phones.

[@AntoineWilliams7118]

Shotguns are also used for taking out drones and copters on the road

[@NavySooner]

@@AntoineWilliams7118 I’m not expecting to many drones in an SHTF scenario. If it’s a emp they are fucked because of antennas, and then if it’s complete collapse not that many with the means of charging them. While they are a threat, I’m a complete end of the world as we know it, wrol situation I’m not expecting that many of them.

[@rico989]

Love my 12ga Short Barrel Shotgun. Started life as a shockwave. Have the magpul forend and stock. Also have the esstac side cards

[@NavySooner]

Definitely like them, just not my go too

[@jw5297]

Agreed, love my shotguns, used a 500 Series for doors in Iraq, and Afghanistan, stopped doin that shit when they started putting explosives on the other side, kinda when we started going through walls!

[@joecitizen6046]

Great points in your video. It is a great "all-around" weapon if you're going to be staying home in SHTF for hunting, etc... Definitely not a primary weapon. We live way out in the country on acreage and have family all around us, so we are lucky in that capacity. It wouldn't be the best weapon for bug-out or carrying on foot, for sure. You never know where you will be when SHTF, so I have a couple of options in my truck to get me back home in case I am in town when it happens. A pistol and a 22 rifle. Honestly, the 22 is mostly in case I want to stop and shoot some ground squirrels on the way home, LOL! But it would due as back-up to get me home as well. My primary weapons at home are along the lines of AR's and AK's. I want to put a little talk about the 410 bore. I know it doesn't even compare to the 12 or 20 gauge, but it does have its place. My mother-in-law is 80 years old. The 12 is just too much for her any more. So I bought her a 410 and my wife a 410. To demonstrate how they actually are pretty good, I froze a bunch of gallon size milk jugs. We were at ten paces, the average length of a hallway or good sized living room. We started with the bird shot, then the pellets (one of them had three pellets and one had 9) and then the slugs. The damage was more devastating than I thought they would do.

[@p51mustang24]

Winchester SXP with a Nordic components +1 tube is an underrated setup. Such a smooth and fast action.

[@MrWatson2001]

Too bad there aren’t any short LOP aftermarket stocks for the SXP

[@nickolasthefrog]

@@MrWatson2001”aftermarket” is the key. they make a 12” LOP Field Micro

[@MrWatson2001]

@@nickolasthefrog I do see that, however you’d have to cut the barrel down to make it a defensive set up. Also that stock is wood and probably cheap wood at that. I would prefer synthetic option but thanks for the information.

[@nickolasthefrog]

@@MrWatson2001 Just as well. I moved to a bullpup shortly after getting the 12ga suppressor. Keltec does a shorter LOP than S&W, if you choose to go that route.

[@rbs0648]

Even AA skeet loads when shot at typical room or hallway distances will be devistating. Due to the short range, the #8 pellets will not seperate from the shot cup, resulting with the wad and pellets entering the "target" through a single entry wound.

[@NavySooner]

Will it hurt? Yes! Devastating? No! You gotta go watch some ballistics videos

[@terryroper4848]

In a fire team a shotgun is an excellent choice. It provides unique applications needed in many areas. By yourself however, carry a rifle.

[@outbackgearforu]

Love my stoeger 3000,7 in the tube and 1 in the chamber,18 inch barrel ,quick and nimble to get on target

[@davidbayne2845]

Thanks for an enjoyable video. For SHTF avoiding extended fire fights is key. A brief exchange of thirty rounds within thirty yards is more likely. The need for over a hundred rounds outside your home is over estimated. Twelve rounds on the shotgun and a twenty five round belt carrier or bandolier or dump pouch while on the move should suffice for a hunting and foraging trip away from home. To backup the shotgun using a pistol with four spare magazines wound be sufficient but not burdensome.

[@MinimalistOutdoors]

A military saying. Pistols put holes in badguys, rifles put holes through badguys, shotguns take chunks off badguys.

[@dalemuzingo799]

Military didn't say any of that lol

[@dragonlordojutai]

Clint smith said that

[@mrcruziify7043]

Pls don’t comment on sht you know not of

[@TomRiddle-ww5on]

I have used a pump to hunt everything growing up. So it's second nature to use it for defense. 1 shot drops then move to next threat ... 100 yds shots are possible , but I could break contact in that distance and stay alive .

[@LUVDOGS1954]

Goodluck, heal well!

[@NavySooner]

Thank you!

[@deleteduser3455]

I mean with the right buckshot it can be effective at 100meters at proper rifle ranges you need the right slug

[@rotadyma]

If you get hit by a Hornady Critical defense 410 shell within 20 feet, you will be dead.

[@jw5297]

Agreed shotty doesn't make the weapons list for SHTF, it is on a tool list. hunting but so is a bow and arrows, fighting, no, can it be used absolutely, can be down right surgical with one, but thats very application specific

[@rickss69]

You won't find any standing that argued with a shotgun...

[@NavySooner]

@@rickss69 you stand around gun shops saying women need 38 snub nose revolvers for their purse guns don’t you.

[@iiii4024]

You forgot another pro Drones will most likely be used to drop improvised explosive or to gather intel a shot gun is really good at disabling pesky drones. You see this being used over in Ukraine Also against body armor they can be very useful especially standing further back due to spread

[@m.danielmills7091]

Biggest issue is size of ammo, it's capacity and the learning curve relative to other systems. Everything else is a matter of deciding what's worth the risk. Anything out to 50 yards is an even fight. Slugs can make it even out to 80. For some they can take it to 100. Outside of that, good luck.

[@subdawg1331]

well as you said depends of what you have... bu as some have stated for defence one the best choices ... I have an assortment of scatter guns ... yes of course a rifle too... but my main truck and home guns are 870's

[@NavySooner]

Please make sure you actually train with them. Not saying you don’t, I’m just generalizing. Someone that doesn’t train with them can bumble fuck their way into getting zeroed out real easily.

[@subdawg1331]

@@NavySooner yes trained with them mainly house clearing .. when in the service ... but i have also been training with mine and a few other

[@NavySooner]

@@subdawg1331perfect!

[@bobg3633]

I have over 80 rounds in my shot gun load out. Use a fanny pack it holds over 70 rounds

[@russelldavis8415]

Good post as I have never carried any more than about 12-15. nice to know how much you can actually carry.

[@bobg3633]

@@russelldavis8415 you could also run another fanny pack on the back

[@BLVCKPEPPER4K]

My 14.375 barrel shockwave turns into a rifle with slugs loaded into my side saddle and 60plus round ammo belt with every other load mainly buck for mid to close quarters. I would feel 100% competent with it in TEOTWAWKI .

[@NavySooner]

If you feel adequate and trained and know the limitations good on you. I’m just not down for the low capacity and slower reloading if needed.

[@Honk21]

I like your vid! hope you got your hip stuff done up right. Thank you.

[@granitejeepc3651]

everyone has a shotgun yes its viable

[@NavySooner]

Lol someone only replied based on the title of the video. But hey thanks for your snarky comment, you helped the algorithm.

[@ProjectStrum]

Ty , excellent video.

[@bigtrev761]

🇦🇺😎👍Pump action shotguns were outlawed in Australia in 1997 along with all other semiautomatics . Handguns are available in semiautomatic but they are heavily regulated .

[@NavySooner]

You gotta do what you gotta do when you live in countries that treat you like prisoners. Kinda goes full circle for y’all I guess. Keep yourself protected! Just glad I don’t live there. You should look into moving to the US and becoming a citizen.

[@paladin556]

Bigtrev, our borders are wide open, come on over. You get free room and board and a cell phone. Pump shotguns are cheap here. I bet if you get in with the right activist group, they will issue you one.

[@segrientboar5954]

(From Tasmania) Mate you can have a lever action shotgun. It is a Category A firearm in TAS. Look it up. Other states are similar. Got mine in 2009. Not quite as good as the pump shotties I had in 1996 but close. Five shot plus one in the chamber. A new remake of the one used in Terminator 2, the Winchester 1887. As a Stockman working on farms, technically I could have added 'Primary Production' to my 'Genuine Reason' on my gun license and therefore had access to buying a pump or semi-auto shotgun, but since I already had the lever shotgun it wasn't worth the trouble. Imagine quitting my job and having to re-do my gun license, and also hand in the pump for police to destroy. I did quit being a Stockman a few months ago and no longer work on a farm, so I would have had to do just that. But I still have the lever action shotgun, registered for hunting. And also pistol etc. You just have to be in a pistol club and do a minimum number of competition shoots per year. It can be done. Gun ownership is a small taste of freedom, and hence political. Politics is a numbers game. The more the merrier.

[@NavySooner]

@@segrientboar5954 Welcome! Good to see people in less free places exercising their gun rights that they do have.

[@MrSuedehead69]

​@@NavySoonereso debería hacer yo mudarme a USA y obtener la nacionalidad mi país está cayendo en corrupción y pandillas narcos😢

[@gleamtarrest6310]

I have several options i can use, but i choose shotgun for home defense & shtf.

[@coryjay2791]

Thank you.

[@ScottSiddon]

Don't forget shotguns are great for boats. With the variety of ammo (slug, Dragons Breath, 00 Buck) you can use this "modern-day 'Blunderbuss' to sink or burn down a hostile boat.

[@jasoncrutchfield4848]

In what weird scenario does this play in your head?

[@williameberhart3505]

Thank you

[@1820kj]

Let's talk about real world. I want to make this clear. I have been graced to have just about any kind of firearm you would need to fall back to if needed. AR, shotgun, pistols and long rifles. However, for a defend yourself firearm at the homestead I can think of no other than a short barrel shotgun. No other firearm will end a problem as quick as a 12 gauge shotgun. Even in SHTF you will spend 90% of your time around your home. Meaning that your shotgun would be your primary firearm. Even venturing out the shotgun would be my go to. Why? Because when it really comes unglued, that guy with the AR will get taken out. People don't, for some reason, fear a guy with a shotgun as much as they do the guy with the AR. If you see me at 100 yards with a shotgun you will probably pay me no mind. If I have an AR, you may think to hunt me down and do me harm. Why? Because of fear. When rule of law is gone, people will end the threats by other means. So I would plan on making sure I had various types of tools for when the world changes. I don't think things will be what we think it will when it all goes to hell. Now let's talk about the guy at 500 yards. If someone has you at 500 yards, your already dead. So it is best to take him out early. See a guy in SHTF with a long rifle, and you think he will turn on you, take him out right away. Never give him the chance. You will find that those guys will be dealt with immediately. In SHTF it will not take long for people to connect long range rifles to out right murder. It will be dealt with. Make no mistake about it. Think about it.

[@NavySooner]

The problem is people think they can’t miss because it’s a shotgun. However, they can. You do you, but IMO (my opinion) it’s a secondary tool.

[@1820kj]

@@NavySooner missing has never been my problem. Pistol, rifle, shotgun or otherwise. The point of the shot gun is the ability to throw flesh to the floor. And I mean right now. That's my point. LOL

[@NavySooner]

@@1820kj when was the last time you shot at someone with a shotgun and they were shooting back?

[@1820kj]

@@NavySooner okay smarty pants. If you can't hit them with a shotgun, what can you hit them with? The campaign of SHTF is nowhere like the campaign of military battle. Chances are you are going to be by yourself and you are not going to have the support of guys with flanking maneuvers. We are talking about defending your home in a worst case scenario. If your are looking for a battle or a fight, you will be dead in a week. I really get sick of people thinking their AR is the end all defense weapon that will conquer the world. Truth is in this scenario that AR will get you killed. But it is your grave, not mine.

[@bluemouse5039]

For static home defense a Shotgun is great, but if a person planned on taking it away from home and might have to use it in a firefight then no the shotgun is not the best choice, The capacity and range isn't the issue in my opinion, its because the ammo is heavy and large that takes up a lot of space, carrying even 50 rounds is a burden, where a AR-15 or pistol caliber carbine carrying that same weight of rounds would equal 100 rounds or more

[@NavySooner]

Yes weight is an issues but have fun being faster than the other guy when you’ve shot your magazine empty and the other guy still has half a magazine and faster reloads, and can do it more accurately from a longer stand off distance.

[@joecitizen6046]

I love my pistol caliber carbines! They are way fun to shoot and cheaper than AR and AK ammo. I still have powder, primers, and bullets from twenty years ago and reload my 9mm (and 38's and 357's) for pennies a round. The 9mm is fun to watch hitting a milk jug full of water at 100m ( I have S&W, Ruger, and Kel Tec PCC's). My Henry lever in 357 is a hoot!!

[@bluemouse5039]

@@joecitizen6046 No high point carbine?

[@joecitizen6046]

@@bluemouse5039 Actually, yes I do. Funny story...I bought one back when I was poor for something fun and relatively cheap to shoot. My wife and three kids loved it! A year later I sold it and had a few bucks to add and bought a Marlin Camp Carbine from a friend. My family hated that rifle and begged me to get another hi-point. So I did. Then another year or so later, I thought I would sell it and buy a Kel Tec Sub 2K. They begged me to get the hi-point, again. Then my dad really wanted that one when he was hitting milk jugs at 100m. It had a red dot on it. So I sold that one to him, but I knew better and bought another hi-point. A friend of mine just had to have it because it was so much fun, accurate, and surprisingly reliable. So I sold that one and bought another. I tell people how cheap they are brand new, but they want mine because they know it works. I have since just kept one in the line-up and now have money to buy others without selling the hi-point.

[@bluemouse5039]

@@joecitizen6046 I own the High Point carbine and a Sub 2000, even though the Kel Tec is supposed to be the better of the two, I prefer the High Point , it feels more comfortable ergonomically when I put it up to the shoulder opposed to the Sub 2000 which feel awkward

[@Denman500.]

I sure like Shotguns, it's hard to beat a Swarm of Buckshot.

[@guynall4025]

New subscriber here great video

[@grimreaper1417]

I have a question for the Mossberg What sling do you recommend for the Mossberg Maverick 88?

[@bloomWF]

Yes

[@kennethherrick8436]

I have a good pile of sunsonic .22.

[@russelldavis8415]

12g is a great weapon for the home as long as you have plenty of ammo at hand, if your in the woods how much ammo are you going to have/carry? shotgun is bigger than a bullet it may be lighter but it takes up 3/4 times the space. Certainly I would be happy with a good shotgun and limited ammo+a good pistol too.

[@NavySooner]

@@russelldavis8415 I’d still take an AR in a home defense situation. Everyone is under the assumption you just can’t ever miss with a shotgun. So what happens when you do? A semi-auto no matter the brand is more prone to jamming, pumps are VERY likely to be short stroked under stressful situation, AR gives faster follow up shots due much less recoil, more ammo without a reload even if you do live in a 10 rd state, and if you do then you get faster reloads. Also before I made this comment I took every type of shotgun round I own and weighed it against 4 different 5.56 rds and two different subsonic 300blk rds. It’s close if you have 300 subs but still not one of my shotgun rds was light than any round I own that you can put in an AR-15. And I would 100% rather have an AR in the woods over a shotgun and a pistol.

[@michaelgrayman7614]

It’s not just a fudd thing. It’s also the masses of people who are financially challenged who wish they can upgrade.

[@NavySooner]

Pretty sure I said if it’s all you got or can get that’s a different story.

[@michaelgrayman7614]

@@NavySooner guess I didn’t catch it. I stand corrected.

[@Shepherdzz]

Look into the defender tactical minishell adapter. Its better than the opsol adapter.

[@NavySooner]

I’m not really interested in minishells

[@DLI002]

I don't even need an adapter bcuz I have a mossberg 590S💪🏼

[@NorthernNorthdude91749]

Personally, I'm not big on shotguns. But unfortunately, I live in Illinois, a state with extremely restrictive gun laws. Semi auto long guns are heavily restricted here, with the most useful rifles like ARs and (my preference) AKs being outright banned. Manual operation weapons like bolt, lever and pump actions aren't restricted, so I went with a Mossberg Maverick 88.

[@DJbishop666]

If I may, I would like to ask a question. Would the shotgun have any advantage in less than optimal lighting conditions?

[@NavySooner]

No

[@rickss69]

Given a spread...yes.

[@NavySooner]

@@rickss69 lol you are sorely mistaken about the performance of shotguns and likely your own capabilities on firearms period.

[@CanadaNeeds2a]

Rifles/handguns are the best for shtf, rifles have better shooting distance, plus more ammo capacity due to smaller rounds in the mag, I only have a shotgun atm and they are good tools but I agree with it not being ur main, but shotguns are the best with close range

[@LEFTY1506SHILOH]

Get to my real sh#t gun, lol; I hear your brother: ahaha! 😂

[@bigbadjohnpesek9894]

I'll stick with my bullpup shotguns. Better than a shockwave for home defense.

[@NavySooner]

Gross, on both bullpups as well as using shotguns for home defense.

[@bigbadjohnpesek9894]

@@NavySooner I sure wouldn't want to be shot by one especially at close range.

[@NavySooner]

@@bigbadjohnpesek9894 neither would I but controllability, round count, easy of reload, more reliability puts the AR above a shotgun for home defense imo. Not to mention you can still miss with buck shot. The spread isn’t the width of a hallway at hallway distances.

[@bigbadjohnpesek9894]

@@NavySooner that's not the only weapon I have for home defense. I also have a JTS 12 gauge ak. Then there's my siaga ak and my 40 s&w. On my side of the bed. On my wife's side she has my other 12 gauge bullpup and my vz 58. I have other guns but those are our bump in the night guns. So yeah I think we are pretty well protected.

[@bigbadjohnpesek9894]

As for reloading my bullpup its just a matter of dropping the mag and inserting a loaded one. Just like the ar. And I keep them loaded with 10 round mags plus if that don't get the job done I have a 20 round drum.

[@ghostwriter1440]

Good luck with your hip

[@luckynutts5237]

Hello fellow Ruf/Nek

[@NavySooner]

FADADA

[@BrendonDelrosario]

Nice custom paint job on your shotgun. I just painted mine.

[@andrewduis1881]

Hi my name is DICK...LOL...God will take care of you and your HIP (Trust in him ). I own Shotguns....Bullpup shotguns made in Turkey (I own one) and it was a single shot when I got it...after some lube and shooting it is the SHI*. Cost me 320.00 Delivered. Choke tubes are a must for every shotgun...I have 4 --10 round a (2) 5 round which came with the weapon...Second: Mk3 Stoeger...10 round tube....Flawless function....use it for Pheasant in S.D. Home defense, and Coyote hunting... same with the Bullpup...Chokes are awesome and so is s RED DOT SCOPE. Blessings

[@p51mustang24]

CW2 will likely not be trench warfare, nor will it be like CW1, which was more of a conventional war than a civil war. It would be more like the spanish civil war or the balkans conflicts (except with no foreign intervention to end it).

[@p51mustang24]

Otherwise good video. Shotguns are a niche weapon, but in their niche they are great. Also pump guns are cheap enough to be hand-outs in shtf. I would square an AR or two first.

[@NavySooner]

Never said it was going to be the same. However, I’d be willing to be there will be more trench warfare than you think.

[@p51mustang24]

@@NavySooner you may see it on a localized level for sure, just not to the extent you see it in Ukraine right now. Of course we are both speculating to some degree. Most civil wars have poorly defined front lines. The U.S. civil war of the 1860’s manifested as a typical state Vs state conflict (bloody Kansas being the exception), typical of large separatist movements. Some people call the Ukraine war a Slavic civil war. Any current issues that could spark a U.S. civil war today are factional, not separatist. Best case like the Spanish civil war. Worst case like the Russian civil war.

[@MarineVeteran99]

Spanish Civil War! Never thought of that. That's an interesting theory. Unfortunately, CW2 or a major attack like the October 7th Hamas attack in Israel seems real enough. I prefer a good tactical rifle. Shotgun is a backup.

[@tortol4847]

The size and weight of the ammo automatically disqualifies it from a SHTF scenario. Too big and too heavy. People think they're going to be wandering abandoned neighborhoods and finding stray boxes of 12 gauge on top of fridges... not gonna happen. What you have with you is what you'll have for the most part. Have fun carrying a couple hundred rounds of 12 gauge.

[@NavySooner]

Agreed

[@rickss69]

You won't be doing any wandering period if you value your life...stay very close to home.

[@NavySooner]

@@rickss69 lol you have to be troll

[@crayolascents]

If you don't use an AR for every scenario you are stupid. Does that sum up the anti-shotgun arguments? I think so.

[@NavySooner]

No, I guess you didn’t watch the video. Or you did watch it and went so reeeee that you blacked on everything I said except for the one part that pissed you off.

[@uncledoc9785]

Dont agree. I luv the shotgun.

[@NavySooner]

Ok… train with it and hope nothing happens at distance