Shotshell reloading without a press - part 3 using antique tools.mov

This is the final episode in the three part series r; reloading shotshells without a press. This video shows how to reload shotshells using antique reloading tools

[@bibbyman2]

I've been watching for affordable antique loading tools for a couple of years. Last fall I got a mixed assortment of tubes, an adjustable scoop, and priming tools. Today I ran across a roll crimp tool. I'm all set.

[@duelist1954]

I recently shot some in a match that I loaded seven years ago...no problems.

[@bruceprosser8332]

Thank you for taking the time to do these videos. I picked up a Lee die press at a garage sale and in the bottom of the bucket was a Lee 12 gauge reloader like you featured. Got the whole shebang for $20. Thanks again.

[@jimvargaco.6344]

You can get one of those crimpers new in the modern day for about 30 - 40 dollars. Thanks for this video series. I'm using a combination of your method with the dowel and nail and a crimping tool like that.

[@mpccenturion]

Great vids! Thanks p have been loading for 30 years and the old tools always made sense to me!

[@1guyin10]

Just discovered these. Great series.

[@tiedyedkarma]

That's what I needed to know. Many thanks. And, thanks for all of the great videos.

[@BrokenRRT]

Great series! Ienjoyed them.. !!!

[@summerdude600]

with the roll crimper. to get some smoother nicer looking rolls try using very little pressure at first so the friction warms up the plastic then gradually add pressure to form the roll. cool series and the vintage tools are nice to see.

[@jonwithnoh7]

Watched all 3 shot shell reloading vids, great series. I've never reloaded shot shells, but could if I needed to, with this info. Thanks for posting, I subbed too. Jon

[@vwmountainman9701]

Very Kool !!! I may have to look for the antique set-up.

[@FourFingersofDeath]

Thanks for a good series of videos. The antique dealers seem to be aware of the value of the old tools now the prices have ridden up accordingly :(

[@ScoutCrafter]

Awesome!!!! Thanks for sharing!!!

[@loknlode]

Just got my crimper in the mail this morning. Nearly perfect condition, works great! Wish it was only $20 like yours, though the price wasn't too bad.

[@javierbetancourt8225]

awesome videos ill be trying this out

[@duelist1954]

I only use them once with black powder. The intense heat frys the plastic hulls. With smokeless you can load them many times.

[@Bayan1905]

As someone who lives in the Adirondack Mountains, I can attest that you can find A LOT of reloading or hunting gear in the antique shops around here.

[@MrJake985]

Plan on using the nail and dowel method. This could easily be used in camp. I like this series.

[@campocaster]

Hey great video here! I've been reloading pistol and rifle for some time and I'm interested in reloading for 12 gauge. I have a lee loader and old style roll crimp tool and want to load various plastic hulls with fiber wads cards.. I would like to avoid using plastic wad cups.. All the load data I have is only for specific brands of plastic wads -cups. Maybe you could do a video on how to select plastic hulls and how to build the proper wad column based on the hull design and different shot shell loads?

[@ovey99]

thanks great vid , something im going to try

[@georgebutcher007]

Nice finished product.

[@mmcilwain12347]

Mike - Your video series has made the rounds and is being linked to in several different forums. The latest comments I saw were negative. Some people are unnerved when they see something being done that isn't printed in a book. I, personally don't see anything unsafe being done. I don't think shells loaded like this with black could generate enough pressure to be dangerous. I plan on using some of these to hunt squirrels this fall. Thanks for your efforts.

[@MrFlyingPanda]

thanks a lot for all your sharing, mr hicock and you sir make the best quality vids ( i m all ear if there are more channels like yours) i got myself a rossi coach gun and i cant wait to try to ake my own shells, i ve got some questions; hwo many times can your load a shell, what s the best brand? and why do you have to put 2 layers after the powder? fially what ar ht e mx weight of powder and shots you can put? thanks a lot

[@fdmackey3666]

Having recently gotten back into reloading I'm trying to relearn certain basics or at least refresh my memory on others. This series of videos, especially this one, broth back a number of memories from my very earliest hunting (with various shotguns) days. I distinctly recall shooting factory loaded .410, 16, and 12 bore smokeless shells that looked exactly like your finished product in this video. When did the major manufacturers stop this method and go with the full crimp style common on todays shells? And why? My Dad purchased "our" shells back then and they were usually either of Winchester (most often) and Remington brands with the occasional Sears and Western Auto "trade names" showing up late in the dove and quail and still later small game seasons in South Carolina of the late 1950s to early 1970s. I know I pester you with a lot of questions but unless I'm badly mistaken you and I are of the same generation and that makes me a good bit more comfortable with the answers you provide. Thanks for a great series of videos on many areas of shooting/firearms and your articles in Guns of the Old West.

[@duelist1954]

I load with black powder and I only reload a hul one time. The high heat of black powder combustion cooks the plastic, making it brittle.

[@dudespin]

Good stuff.

[@vwmountainman9701]

I need to get the roll crimper !!! That is so slick -

[@levidotson6610]

You can use a bottle cap like you would find on a plastic soda bottle if you don’t want to make a decapping block

[@duelist1954]

What is the Hornady product called? I just went through their web site and couldn't find anything like that.

[@duelist1954]

@PUJARTIAGO77 No. I only load black powder shot shells for cowboy action shooting. I buy my smokeless shells for hunting at Wally World

[@scottwilly86]

Thanks for the videos. Is the cushion wad necessary or is that just what you prefer when shooting?

[@robaldridge6505]

I've been using my old Lee Loadall JR. mostly 1.5 oz.#5 over 3 drams or a 'brush Load' of 7/8 oz. reclaimed shot over 2 1/8 drams, I seal my hunting rounds with finger nail paint .. 'I' find it handy to write the shot size on the overshot wad....

[@duelist1954]

It keeps the shot pellets from being deformed as they are blasted up the barrel.

[@minralb]

I have a set of wooden Pioneer shotshell loading tools I bought for $5 in 1960. I have loaded 1000s of shells with it and killed lots & lots of dove & quail with them. It's slower than a press but I can load 30 shells in 15 minutes after I get my components lined up which only takes a minute or 2. My only problem is finding the paper and fiber wads I prefer. I still have enough to load about 150 shells and then I'll have to buy the plastic shot cups. Still a lot cheaper than factory made shells.

[@duelist1954]

I use Circle Fly over shot cards. They are about as thick as an index card

[@Ensign_Cthulhu]

Neat little device. I especially like the old-fashioned roll crimper. Given that even modern loading books advise a roll crimp with some slugs, this seems like a good way to do it if you don't have a drill press for the devices they sell now; and even if you do, the manual method means you can take your time and not risk "overdoing it" when you first start out. And how many slugs are you going to load all at once, after all? Certainly not in the quantities trap and skeet shooters need!

[@duelist1954]

@mmcilwain12347 I only use black powder hulls once. The heat makes them very brittle.

[@loknlode]

That crimper is awesome...

[@steinderbush]

Nice video Thanks!! how many times can you reuse and crimp a plastic shell!??

[@blackpowdershooter44]

Will these roll crimped shells cycle smoothly in a pump shotgun? Thanks!

[@Roddyoneeye]

This inspired me to get a set ! Now, what grade paper are you using as your "Over Shot" ?

[@DocTacDad]

Are just about any shotshells reloadable? I've got a lot of the Walmart Federal multi-purpose shells. Thanks!

[@guser507]

Nice bro

[@Roddyoneeye]

Thanks !

[@aliaj00]

@duelist1954 as for a good gun you are within spec of the barrel but if you go higher you may blow up pretty easy so 32 is the recommended load for this type of reloading if you don't use a scale. for the rest BEST VIDEO on reloading for the MAN who don't mind doing it by himself.

[@mmcilwain12347]

Mike, enjoyed the video series. Have a question. when using a roll crimp, how many times are you able to reload the hull?

[@abrampl]

I saw this roll crimp at paper shells. Very long time ago ...

[@aliaj00]

@duelist1954 that is OK thanks for the video its informative but keep in mind that the cup for the powder and the shot is volumetric and you can finish with 1.5-1.6 grams or even 1.8 easily without noticing. and 31-33 grams for the shot presuming that is a 32 shot and all the balls are the same shape and size.

[@duelist1954]

@DocTacDad Yup

[@tiedyedkarma]

Do you trim the hulls for roll crimping the same length that you do for the glue crimp?

[@lmomechtech7709]

First off, I enjoyed the 3 part series on getting the shot shells back into shooting shape. What I would like to ask, at this 'normal' load that you are using, about how many times might you expect to reuse the plastic shell hulls? When you use Lee loader and have the 'star' crimp, does that reduce the amount of times you can reload same hull? And again, with the 'roll' crimp, how many times...just for reference; I would expect that by 'working' the shells by crimping and re-crimping=less reuse?

[@TheRantingCabbie]

Interesting to see these old tools. One thing I did notice however is when your tamping the powder, wads and shot, wouldn't it be safer to place the shell on the de-priming base?

[@dave4854]

Hello again, do you have any idea on how long the shelf life would be, I'm assuming if they're kept dry, they should last for yrs.

[@duelist1954]

Yup

[@weitzfc1]

paper hulls are easier to get a hold of these days. antique tools are easy to find ,and simple to use . since I use them in my hammer shotguns , for hunting , I use glue for the roll crimp, and spray the outside of the shell to waterproof , with lacquer. 12 gauge 235 stevens hammer shotgun , 3 drams of powder and a ounce an and eighth of number 5 shot lead shot.

[@duelist1954]

No, I trim them about an eighth of an inch longer

[@lmomechtech7709]

Have you considered using a brass shell? Although this would limit the seal to liquid glass or your Elmer's concoction or silicone...

[@blueduck9409]

That was pretty cool. Were you using black powder or substitute black powder?

[@barrystark9017]

Im just working on hunting down a roll crimp tool, got all the rest.

[@duelist1954]

From Circle Fly. Google them.

[@huachucho69]

hello sir, is it possible to put another wad on top of the cushion ?

[@lokisgodhi]

What do you use for the cushion wad?

[@duelist1954]

sure

[@metisman100]

can you use these tools with modern powder

[@1873Winchester]

@FourFingersofDeath I've found that new ones are being made, this site sells manual roll crimpers (siarm dot com goto reloading->various equipment) but it's a european site. But likely there should be some american dealers one would think. Planning to pick one of these up and see how it works.

[@keystonecountryboy]

I have been searching for an antique 16 gauge roll crimper like that one....been looking for awhile too, all I find is 12 gauge....

[@darvinmiller8059]

what size shot do you use

[@COIcultist]

apologies if I'm stupid but how does the dowel seat the primer if the centre of the dowel isn't bored out to accept the dowel?

[@duelist1954]

The base of the shot shell is quite thick. The primer is totally enclosed in the bottom of the shell.

[@donaldplank54]

I find it so much easier just to use a press you can go to the Antique store Ora flea market and pick up an old MEC 600 jr. for about 20 bucks

[@blam7]

Where can I get those tools?

[@AmazingMrWonderful]

Is there any reason why you don't do your own smokeless shells?

[@ghsr82]

Where do you get wads?

[@Annddrreeww]

Where do you find your wadding?

[@davidgiffordsr.930]

Harder to find when you change the name of the video from Old-timey tools!

[@duelist1954]

Gun shows, eBay, antique stores...

[@abbeyglencircle]

Thank you. I saved a lot of money because of this video. Want to give a kiss, if you don't mind from a guy, LOL. Seriously, thank you.

[@awingmaster]

How do I find the top card

[@duelist1954]

@mmcilwain12347 Thanks for the heads up. If you'd like to email me at [e-mail], I'd appreciate knowing what the concerns are, or links to the forums. I shoot 400 to 500 of these shells a year, and have for over 15 years, with no problems.

[@duelist1954]

Because I can buy all I need for hunting at WalMart for a few bucks.

[@buffordevans6942]

Anyone have the formula for a Remington 1889 Double hammer fired ? I’d like to have a small game and self defense shell

[@weitzfc1]

graf and sons has paper shotgun hulle.

[@steveww1507]

duelist1945 how many times can you reuse the shells ? thank you

[@duelist1954]

+Steve WW1 I only use them once. black powder is tough on shells. they get crispy and crack, but you can get a few loadings off a shell, if you've a mind to.

[@steveww1507]

+duelist1954 Im going to start sass soon .Ihave reloaded rifle and handgun for year but this will bee my first time with shot shells . what do you think of brass shot shells ? thank you again

[@duelist1954]

+Steve WW1 They look cool, but they stick in my shotgun chambers.

[@steveww1507]

have to try it thanks for the info.

[@jamesboland6072]

can you tell me where i can get the 12 ga lee kit?

[@duelist1954]

James Boland you have to search on eBay

[@jamesboland6072]

@@duelist1954 thank you.

[@vosotelo]

where do you get your supplies from(primer, wads, shot, and powder)?

[@rjdayton23]

Aint no body got time fo dat

[@Duckyistrippin]

Really cool looking tools. Stuff just doesnt have the personality it used too. Its like, when you use an old tool like that. Even when you just pick it up. You feel connected to the past, the previous craftsman that toiled over that tool both in its construction and use over the years. Maybe im just a nostalgic old fool. But i like this old timey stuff, it really brings me joy.

[@johnbailey2034]

So I guess the shells are not good for pump shot guns

[@xzqzq]

I have been using hot glue to seal my shotgun shell reloads, but the roll crimp is a good-looking alternative.

[@armedbear529]

xzqzq I was considering using hot glue. How well does it work? Have you lost any loads?

[@xzqzq]

Armed Bear Hot glue works great.... I've loaded hundreds of shells with it. After going through two hot glue guns, I started using a small steel pot on a hotplate. Lately, I have switched to Goop, which I get at the hardware store. Works just as well, and I don't burn my fingers... the smell will give me a headache after a while. Ventilation helps.

[@duelist1954]

@uniquetool Joe, when you are ready, I wouldn't mind seeing the tools you make. Maybe I could review them for my Guns of the Old West black powder column. Drop me a line at [e-mail]

[@slntscpe]

Why would someone say he looks racist