Should Bishaten Return to Monster Hunter Wilds? | Rathalos Watch

[@RathalosWatch]

Let me know if you believe that Bishaten and his Subspecies Blood Orange Bishaten should be returning to Monster Hunter Wilds and what other monsters would you want me to cover in future episodes! Also feel free to join our official Discord Community for some MH Wilds Talk! discord.gg/gQceDfBZcC

[@AntlerPierce-k4w]

Bishaten w/ Blood Orange would be great in Wilds! Some of his moves would maybe need to be reworked for a more realistic game, but his monster design is awesome and a fun fight! I agree that some of the Rise monsters COULD be out of place, but I think Bishaten could fit easier than others. *Edit: And btw a video on Tetsucabra would be really cool. He was sort of teased in Rise w/ baby Tetsu. Also: Bishaten had some great armor design that I used in my layered armor. Would love to have his and Odogaron's armor in the same game for layering (And Odo's skills) Also: A video for Odogaron and Ebony Odogaron would also be cool to see! Yes there is the argument that they stay mostly in Rotten Vale, but even something as simple a thriving and booming population, enough to cause a food scarcity, could be a reason that some could wander farther away from the vale. They already can be found in Coral Highlands in World... Also: The Hunting Horn Whale themed monster! Poparabaro? Idk spelling it's name rn. *Poborubarumu. Idk anything about this one, but he looks cool and unique. Well executed Weapon themed monsters are a win. * INAGAMI and Pariapuria. That should be enough for now. Just started looking into some old monsters I never saw before. I knew Capcom had a Star Roster to pull from, but some of these old-school monsters blow my mind. Capcom is goat for these old monsters and new, I love hunting them all!!! Except for PiScEnE WyVeRnS!!

[@greatikechukwu4032]

I personally dislike B.O.B strictly because of Sunbreak's fire subspecies problem. Bishaten could be picking fruits from bushes in Wilds and also clinging to walls with his tail. Honestly, Bishaten is perfect to me🤩🤩

[@xander0901]

I really hope Wilds doesn’t impose restrictions on itself for the sake of feeling “grounded” or “realistic.” I personally think it would be a terrible design choice that risks Wilds falling into the same trap as World with the most boring weapon design in the series. However, I am optimistic they will not do this because the designs we’ve seen so far are much better than World’s and Congalala is a pretty hilarious monster to have.

[@RathalosWatch]

@@xander0901 grounded and more realistic monster hunter is the best version of Monster Hunter hands down. And they should 100% impose restrictions if they want to be consistent. Art style direction consistent is very important. Congalala is a realistic grounded Monster, it's a hippo mixed with a baboon. There is nothing easternized about him or inspired by Japanese mythos. He would never fit into Rise, for example, because it's a game that's more centered around Japanese culture. Monster Hunter Wilds is the polar opposite. I am not sure how that is difficult to understand, lol.

[@themelonzone38]

​@RathalosWatch I think he was referring to the "bits on sticks" problem with weapons in world

[@samot6369]

​@@themelonzone38Yeah but the weapon design in world was lazy but not because of the monster design themselves, Tobi Kadachi is a blue squirrel-reptile and it's bow slaps. I heard something that in world the weapon design was made by like 4 dudes on a timer and that was the reason is so barebones.

[@RathalosWatch]

@@samot6369 100% correct.

[@BaslightBatekeepBoyboss]

I think if they can rework his fruit mechanic to be a bit more realistic, I can see him fitting in the new games just fine.

[@RathalosWatch]

that doesn't make sense. Fruit mechanic is not the issue here, it's his visual design.

[@AntlerPierce-k4w]

​@@RathalosWatchHis visual design rocks. It's Monster Hunter? Not Cabela's.

[@RathalosWatch]

@@AntlerPierce-k4w it's good, but it does not fit Monster Hunter Wilds as i have stated so in the videom Have you watched the video to the end or just decided to comment something randomly that was already addressed in the video?

[@ladycu7572]

@@RathalosWatch I'ts just a monkey with feathers. The design isn't any less grounded nor realistic than flower spider ballerina.

[@Duvoncho]

With any luck yes. But I hope the fight isn't too hard or I might Bishaten my pants.. .. I'll see myself out.

[@BaronSterling]

I see absolutely no reason why a Japanese folklore inspired monster would be unfitting for Wilds. We already have a monster based on Spanish dancers with a rose for a butt. I think the execution of the inspiriation is more important than the inspiration itself in regards to keeping monsters grounded, and I'd say Bishaten executes it pretty well.

[@RathalosWatch]

I prefer more grounded realistic monsters, and a lot of people in our Discord community do as well. At least the older fans do. It's a subjective thing.

[@BaronSterling]

@@RathalosWatch Yeah, I'm saying there's no contradiction between grounded and folklore-inspired. Nothing is whacky or fantastical about a monkey with wings.

[@BaronSterling]

@@RathalosWatch I'm saying there's no contradiction between grounded design and folklore inspiration.

[@Gigi4u]

9:02 personally i dont have much of a problem with some of rises more phantastical monsters returning. To me for most of rises original monsters the Japanese influence is not that in your face (notable exception Magnamalo) so they wouldn't feal that out of place so i could see monsters from rise like Tetranadon, Goss harag and Bishaten return in wild or a future title. Also i don't think Capcom will exclude a monster for being to crazy with tire design as we have seen monsters like Zinogre and Fatalis return in more naturalistic games like world. So if Capcom decides to being back a crazy but cool monster from rise or a nother past game its still going to be a heck of a time to hunt it regardless if its design may be a bit off the wall.

[@RathalosWatch]

Fatalis is a classical European dragon though, and those tend to look far more realistic and grounded rather than something like Magnamalo. And on top of that Fatalis has been in the franchise since Monster Hunter in 2004. His kind of like the end-game boss flagship of the franchise. The ultimate bad guy. Zinogre is like an in between. I find him more fantasy rather than realistic, I think he is extremely overrated.

[@fromhl7619]

Bishaten could absolutely come back if there were a forest map. It's far more realistic and grounded than balahara, doshaguma, and the flying electric pinsir Seregios-like Monster.

[@RathalosWatch]

Completely disagree. Doshaguma is a mix of a bear, lion, and molerat and is not tied to any kind of yokai inspiration. Rey Dau is a bit more fantastical, but still not based on a Japanese folklore that would be way out of the fit for Wilds. Balahara, believe it or nothas facial features of a calamari. Those blue little beads are it's like and calamari has exact same eyes as well. At the end of the day, it's a video game so of course they will have fantasy elements, but Wilds is far more believable than anything based on Rise.

[@mrgomer64]

I think it would be a bit much with 2 jungle/Forrest monkey shaped punching bags, I do like him, but I don't see him returning personally

[@RathalosWatch]

fair enough

[@spinoguy9775]

I would like to see SOME early monster in Wilds, since they’re some of the more characterful one, like Aknosom, Tetranadon and Bishaten Other should burn in the very pits of hell !! *looks in anger at Magnamalo*

[@RathalosWatch]

agreed about Magnamalo.

[@jockpackage1770]

I love this charming chimp, I would love to see him again but they don't have to rush it. My hope is just that, if he returns, that he gets a couple new fruit. At least by his next master rank incarnation. Wow, I don't think I saw either of those turf wars in my like 2000 hours of play time. The almodron one is kind of cool, rathalos' is a bit more basic. I really wish his subspecies was like a jungle version with different fruit effects. Make it something other than persimmons for visual flare and give him a set of different status ailments from them. Maybe even make him more colorful to suit the jungle aesthetic. BOB isn't terrible but he was a bit underwhelming, with how they cut his variety, he does have some fun new moves though. I would not categorize bishaten along with magnamalo, personally. I think bishaten is grounded enough to fit but I'd be fine with him taking a break as well.

[@RathalosWatch]

@@jockpackage1770 The turf wars are very hard to get if you want to see them. I spent over 3 hours in expeditions to make the right monsters spawn, and then I had to manually lead them to one another. Too forever.

[@jockpackage1770]

@@RathalosWatch We thank you for your sacrifice.

[@changeling6450]

I think bishaten is a great monster, but i really don't think he Will back in wilds, i think is a cool fang beast a funny fight and a great early monster don't saying otherwise, but mh wilds feels so ... Forbidden and treatening, like i before Say that having familiarity in returning monsters can make the new beasts Even more scary, but if bisha returns will make harder other weak or cute monsters return like yian kut ku, qurupeco, or others, maybe in a less treatening mh game one more adventurous and not with skull island mh edition

[@RathalosWatch]

@@changeling6450 I agree.

[@docterzero1503]

Well with Gongalala being all but confirmed I am doubtful we would see it, but I am not opposed to the idea. I don't think it is all that unrealistic and a lot of the arguments against it does seem a bit nitpicky.

[@RathalosWatch]

@@docterzero1503 it's Congalala. Although, Gongalala does sound funny as hell.

[@regularbricksstudios1109]

I really hope they stop with the whole realistic design thing, Monster Hunter has always had colourful and vibrant monsters, even the "lame" ones have good designs, and it wasn't a matter of mainline and portable

[@AntlerPierce-k4w]

You should a vid on Tetsu where the answer is yes.

[@RathalosWatch]

@@AntlerPierce-k4w Tetsucabra video is coming. I just don't know when yet.

[@Anthelia.]

Hehehe, monke throw fruit

[@RathalosWatch]

@@Anthelia. the other one throws poop!

[@BoneReaperLagiallosaurus]

@@RathalosWatchNOOOOOO!

[@Anthelia.]

@@RathalosWatch aHHHHHHHH

[@RathalosWatch]

@@Anthelia. and the other is a lightning god.

[@BoneReaperLagiallosaurus]

@@RathalosWatch YEAH!!!!!!!

[@JurassicDaikaiju]

My concern with the base Rise monsters is that their Yokai inspiration won't fit in outside of Japanese-esque habitats

[@RathalosWatch]

Same here. I talked about that in the video. Did you watch it?

[@JurassicDaikaiju]

@@RathalosWatch Must've missed it, not really a monkey fan anyway

[@RathalosWatch]

@@JurassicDaikaiju it's near the end.

[@greatikechukwu4032]

I promise I'm not bullying, but the way you struggle to pronounce some words is really funny. The NA-JA-RA-LA one always gets me. And the pro-tru-sion was hilarious. Anyway, about Bishaten, I think he could potentially do the Pukei Pukei gimmick of environmental advantages a lot better. Imagine him picking fruits from bushes in Wilds and finding out you can pick those fruits and use them yourself with the slinger. Honestly, BISH-A-TEN-OUTTA-TEN...😂😂

[@RathalosWatch]

It's fine. English is not my first language.

[@danieledwards4821]

I like him alot but idk if he would fit in wilds personally

[@RathalosWatch]

@@danieledwards4821 He wouldn't, as I stated in the video. I am assuming you watched it?

[@danieledwards4821]

@RathalosWatch didn't get to watch the full thing, in classes right now, but gonna finish when I get a few minutes

[@RathalosWatch]

@@danieledwards4821 gotcha. The reason why I asked that is because I mentioned in the video exactly what you said, lol.

[@naotaka1624]

Bishaten doesn’t hit my spot. I am fine with it returning or not returning. I think the chance is pretty low cuz Wilds is having Congalala.

[@RathalosWatch]

I mean MHFU had Congalala, Blangonga and Rajang. So I am not sure how having Congalala already in Wilds would mean that no other monkeys can appear? Doesn't really make sense no offense.

[@naotaka1624]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@RathalosWatchI see your point, but FU is like the very start of the series, Capcom is probably having so many different ideas and implementing them all at once and not worrying about repeating design elements.

[@naotaka1624]

@@RathalosWatchCongalala also has other elements that is similar to Bishaten. Ecology involving storing food, eating food and utilizing the food (Congalala is fart, and Bishaten is throwing them). Of course Capcom can still make Bishten return, just imo I think the chance aren’t high.

[@RathalosWatch]

@@naotaka1624 bishaten stores food in a pouch. Congalala carries a mushroom on his tail. Both elements are realistic and nothing far-fetched. But, as far as the visual designs go, one is based on a hippo and a baboon, which is a real thing. The other is inspired by Japanese mythos. That is their biggest difference.

[@genos287]

I think no. How can you throw infinite fruit in more realistic wilds? Ofc some people who didn’t play monster hunter if they see this in wilds they be like: Nahh im not gonna get that game. Capcom focusing to attract new players thats why they lessen the "OG" goofy movements in wilds including removal of the wirebug. For example I never played any monster hunter series game. And then hearing the word "Monster Hunter" expecting to hunt then the game force me to wirebug spiderman.

[@RathalosWatch]

@@genos287 yeah, wirebugs were dumb as hell.

[@LacTose90]

Well most animals have cheeks to store nuts and fruit or like marsupial have pouches to hold their young; so maybe bishatan has pouches were it stores the fruit.

[@RathalosWatch]

@@LacTose90 he does. It's part of his lore if you read up on it.

[@MalikWilliams-n6i]

Najaralla!!!

[@RathalosWatch]

@@MalikWilliams-n6i maybe one day.

[@Ducky_3.14]

55s ... damnit.

[@RathalosWatch]

@@Ducky_3.14 git gud

[@Siege066]

41 mins, I beat you

[@RathalosWatch]

@@Siege066 GG. You owned him.

[@Siege066]

@@RathalosWatchLight work, not even close

[@RathalosWatch]

@@Siege066 light weight baby! Yeah buddy!

[@elyon9244]

NO

[@shagaru1234]

i honestly believe monsters from rise cant return since they are too stylized to show up in a mainline title

[@RathalosWatch]

@@shagaru1234 we shall see, but I do agree with you for the most part.

[@LacTose90]

Yes they can what are you talking about lol we have monsters like Zinogre, mizu, glavenus, and astolos who have designs that are also extreme yet we saw glavenus in world.

[@RathalosWatch]

@@LacTose90 Zinogore is cool but I am sick and tired of him lol.

[@anoveaulix4324]

For sure, there are many monsters in Rise that aren't really too flashy at all, either. Take Garangolm, for example, or even Almudron or Aknosom. That, and we see flashy monsters in Wilds already in Rey Dau.

[@docterzero1503]

I completely disagree, there are none of Rise's monsters that are too flashy to return. All of rises monsters follows the same core design philosophy as the rest of the rooster, and even the most extreme cases like Goss Harag and Lunagaron are no more extreme than the likes of Zinogre, Glavenus, or Brachydios to mention but a few that appeared in World.

[@reginaldfluffington5142]

The issue I have with monster hunter is the amount of useless weapons there is. There is several elemental weapons through various monster trees. Some of the weapons are lesser weapons, I.E. the element, sharpness and damage are lower than some of the other weapons of the same element. It almost makes fighting the monster pointless. Why would I get a Rajang weapon when aZinogre weapon is better? Sure I can drop a skill to make lower sharpness weapon more power.

[@RathalosWatch]

@@reginaldfluffington5142 i get what you are saying. Some weapons are better than others, though, for certain monsters. Thankfully, with the ability to take two weapons in the field, now there will be more incentive to craft multiple weapons for different purposes.