Should Christians retreat from culture? w/ Dr. Jordan B. Cooper

[@PhthaloGreenskin]

Ok i was extremely skeptical on your reconquista movement. But after explaining your plan it seems very possible. I thought you were telling people to walk into rainbow churches and try to change them.

[@Sebman1113]

As a part of the ELCA Reconquesta, I myself will say we aren’t going into the churches that deny the existence of God or reject the Bible, we’re going into churches where they believe the essentials but could be strengthened or churches that are already good in teaching within the mainline denominations.

[@siansukte4198]

Hey man just want to tell you that I'm a 14 yr old still in school and through your videos you've given me arguments back against atheists at my school and i've helped a few people turn to christianity. It wouldn't have been possible without you brother.

[@alicemalice1047]

If you hadn't said you were a 14 year old arguing with atheists your claim of turning people Christian would have been believable

[@bugrasevinc9696]

only works at 14 yo. kids those arguments

[@Jones_707]

​@@bugrasevinc9696sadly, people seem very closed off to faith despite claiming open-mindedness

[@Gru__]

🎉

[@ollikoskiniemi6221]

If you have convinced people to convert at 14, then my hats off to you. Such a thing will probably not go unrewarded by the big man upstairs.

[@jacobk1160]

Both of you had a huge role in me rediscovering & strengthening my faith in Christ, being baptized, finding a good church and attending services. I’m even getting more involved in my church, assisting my pastor in services. Thanks to both of you!

[@coleblattner8281]

Redeemed zoomed is why i left the the Baptist tradition, and Jordan Cooper is why I became Lutheran

[@willwoodfan]

Hello! I've been watching your videos for a while, as an agnostic. I've been seriously considering converting, I'm not sure yet, though. I just started reading the Bible today and will be attending church tomorrow.

[@phoenixjones7191]

Try and go to some fellowships or Bible studies as well. The dialogue between yourself and how other people interpret verses is extremely helpful in understanding your own ideas. You don't really get that same dialogue in a service, although you should attend those as well. Good pastors know the book inside and out and can be wonderful reservoirs of knowledge. Also don't be discouraged if you go to church and it doesn't click for you. Just try a new one next Sunday and keep going until you find a community that treats you with brotherly love.

[@Valencetheshireman927]

I’m an agnostic and I feel it to. I don’t know whether it’s because I’m a political conservative or my personal experiences with Christianity but I wish to explore Christianity further. Planning to do more reading on it and someday visit an Orthodox Church

[@phoenixjones7191]

@@Valencetheshireman927 visit all the churches! Many of them are deeply beautiful irregardless of your particular religious beliefs.

[@Valencetheshireman927]

@@phoenixjones7191 True, I’ve visited many great churches over the years. But I wish to try and perhaps explore Christianity further.

[@grantswann9328]

So based! Praying for you man!

[@javierluyanda8283]

Two very intelligent men , Redeemed Zoomer needs to become a Pastor for sure 👏🏽

[@lucasberglund5358]

Jordan B Cooper is such class!

[@jeffryan5302]

As a redeemed Boomer Calvinist, but attending as a non member a LCMS Lutheran Church, I appreciate Dr. Cooper YT channel as one of my main educational sources; I do pray based on the Lutheran soteriology, that Dr. Cooper or other Lutheran’s don’t loose their Salvation…🙏✝️

[@FredDazzles]

This awesome to see the both of you working together! Was wondering when this would happen, great listen

[@demishnand7216]

I got so excited when I saw this pop up. I watch tons of Jordan cooper

[@txgsu43]

The LCMS (not the ELCA) is mainline. I will die on this hill.

[@vngelicath1580]

They both are. Both are the results of mergers over time, the later are more obvious and recent, but the ELCA does have congregations that are older than most LCMS ones (1600s in some cases).

[@David-bh7hs]

@@vngelicath1580lutheran church history is a mess because every immigrant group from a Lutheran country formed a separate synod in each region of the country they settled in.

[@Hunter.S.H7]

@@vngelicath1580 i agree, it is also kind of the same with the Presbyterian church and the dutch reformed church

[@sierragrey7910]

Though I am not a Lutheran, I find your teaching and thoughts very similar to Dr Carl Trueman of Grove City College. Both of you have a true appreciation of beauty and culture that is refreshing, and your views of the Christian’s role in the community are similarly passionate for your neighbors.

[@laurahamilton857]

Yes as a Grove City student, I loved everything about this video! Wonderful wisdom and understanding of why Christian cultural engagement is necessary

[@esserman1603]

It is very nice to see these conversations.

[@mattosamanandesu]

Man you are out here with all the ambitious crossovers!

[@davidfitzpatrick6535]

22:12 Yeah I also feel like Christian Parents are like "well they wont even let us mention God in school unless its a swear word so we're going to homeschool our children not let them watch Disney etc" and the problem with that is that when they get to university age its a culture shock because they're introduced to ideas such as LGBTQ and Atheism and Evolution and they don't have the answers the culture wants answered because all they were given is what Mom and Dad said growing up.

[@jakeagledaeagle]

To that point, a lot of these instructions are declaring these ideas as true, and even forcing kids to participate in said actions and views. So while totally sheltering them may have the effects you describe, is it worth it over being indoctrinated with things that are sinful? And to the point of sheltering specifically, it seems to me a good parent would make their kids aware of what the world does, why it's wrong, and how to approach those situations in faith. So given those two things, I personally think keeping kids out of public school is a better option overall

[@davidfitzpatrick6535]

@@jakeagledaeagle fair enough especially in the States where the education system is known to be subpar in a lot of areas. I know that my sister and brother in law were upset when the local public school (I'm Canadian BTW) started introducing LGBTQIA ideas in as young as grade 2 forcing them to have conversations with their 7 year old a lot sooner than they would have liked. I mean when I was a kid growing up in the 2000s there were teachers who were sus for being gay because they always had a female friend at school events but we were just told oh they're her roommate and left it at that and weren't told that she was her lesbian partner till around grade 8 or 9.

[@DouglasGross6022]

Alphabet soup

[@redlollipops8582]

Actually, just because parents choose to homeschool their kids doesn't mean they are trying to shelter them. Rather, they are trying to "bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord." True, there is a default common among homeschool parents to shelter their kids too much, but since that default is clearly shown as a fault, now noticeable and taught against, many many homeschooling parents who are believers do not try to shelter their ids, but rather show them the truth, starting with the Bible. These children are sheep amidst wolves. I don't think it's the parents' job to shove them into the wolves' mouths early on, but rather to instruct them in the truth of God's Word and then God sends them out.

[@endygonewild2899]

OMG it’s Jordan Cooper!!!!

[@unit2394]

I dated a girl who was PCUSA and I remember her talking about Montreat. She’s gay now though.

[@laurahamilton857]

I will say that as a current member of the ACNA, my home church in Northern VA has purchased a beautiful colonial parish campus that a nearly-dead Episcopal church sold to them, including a lovely historical 1760s chapel and 1700s-style sanctuary built in the 50s. My college ACNA church currently rents out the local Lutheran church space, but the church itself is beautiful, with stained glass, historic sanctuary structure, etc. Not all ACNA churches are ugly

[@jonathanvickers3881]

This was a great conversation! Thanks to both of you. Consider a crossover with New Kingdom Media.

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

He's reached out to me once, but we never set a date

[@Profeowentprs]

Definitely one of your best videos yet, I enjoyed this collaboration thoroughly. Pity it didn’t take off viral like it should’ve

[@_baconality_]

why did i read the title as "Dr. Jordan B. Peterson" 3 times

[@toilet_cleaner_man]

Well Peterson is pretty popular, they have very similar names, and your brain tends to "fill in the blanks" by subconsciously reading ahead and fixing "problems" with what your reading. It's lke how you smetimes don't notce spellng errors in a sentene if you can get the gist of it, your brain is very good at proofreading.

[@_baconality_]

now while i just reread my original comment on this video i read it as "Dr. Jordan B. Peterson" and I nearly thought I said it said Cooper, if that makes sense.@@toilet_cleaner_man

[@gtgunar]

After "Dr. Jordan B.", the odds of it not being "Peterson" is extremely slim, especially if you never heard of Dr Cooper before.

[@toilet_cleaner_man]

​@@_baconality_so you've managed to confuse your confusion? You have some kinda special power of tripping over yourself mentally, you should write a book about it.

[@_baconality_]

you know what, i should@@toilet_cleaner_man

[@ianmartinesq]

You guys seem to have missed ‘The long march through the institutions’, a term coined by Rudi Dutschke.

[@kuhatsuifujimoto9621]

i think its important to remember that functionally the left is different to the right. the left is destructive and dissolves, the right is constructive and solidifies. how can one subvert institutions into something conservative? its easy to slowly slide people into sin, much harder tempt people slowly toward virtue.

[@biomuseum6645]

Zoomer, please do a bible translations tierlist

[@clouds-rb9xt]

from what i know he said he likes the NIV and the ESV

[@stefanhenning40]

THIS

[@cskandrsgyrgy]

KJV onlyist Bible tierlist: S: KJV A, B, C, D, E slots: [empty] F: Anything else than KJV.

[@_baconality_]

does it look like i know the difference between "knoweth" and "know" (i dont)@@cskandrsgyrgy

[@_baconality_]

lets go@@clouds-rb9xt

[@cornwallacemontgomery]

Two of my favorite KZbinrs colabing yet again 🤯

[@stefanhenning40]

Bible translation tier list, when??? ;)

[@griffynhastreiter5073]

My favorite KZbin Christian and my favorite theologian? I'm in heaven!

[@Holy-Heretic]

my two favorite KZbinrs yay

[@robewilliams6657]

I respect what I've heard from both men and I definitely appreciate zoomer's reconquista efforts. I do also think that many of his critiques of low church evangelicals are correct. However, I do also think that zoomer sometimes doesn't give enough credit to the non-liturgical denominations, especially in light of the fact that they seem to be experiencing the most growth globally. In the same way that zoomer believes that the mainline denominations have something worth redemption, I believe the same about non-liturgical Christians.

[@yellowblackbird9000]

They tend to experience growth by pandering to emotions. I'd say that is an overall negative.

[@mr.fizzle6318]

Through random circumstances, I find myself back on your videos. I feel the need to throw my hat in the conversational ring again. These words are my comment on your video titled "3 reasons conservatives ALWAYS lose - KingdomCraft" I phrase towards Redeemed Zoomer, but I always enjoy a thoughtful discussion with anyone. Although I can very much respect what you're doing here, there is something underlying that becomes an itch in my mind. Watching a few of your videos, I find some laughs, and some very reasonable perspectives. Noticing that this video shares the same vernacular of past ones where you wish to retake the church, I can't help but feel the same aura of those who called to crusade and take back Jerusalem as the Holy Land, and realization starts to form. 6:24 7:27 (on the video "3 reasons conservatives ALWAYS lose - KingdomCraft") This example helped give me something to work with that I hadn't had the ability to phrase before. I'm starting to feel like the phrase "take back the church", especially in the context of conversation you've chosen is missing something important. For all my life, I have been one of the oddballs in my community, even in churches. As I grew, I wanted to truly understand more, whether it be within me or outside of me. In the mix that life is, it wasn't exactly pleasant to come to the realization that the majority of people I interacted with had little-to-no care for who I am or what I find interesting. This stings, especially, when the people in a church are constantly talking about community, love, wisdom, and responsibility. The truth is that there is a venom hidden within the human condition, no matter what your philosophy is. That venom is superficiality, otherwise known as apathy or laziness. The more I've grown, the more I've become familiar with it. The greatest examples were slightly mentioned in your History of Christianity video, with Jesus' mission being easily misinterpreted by people who wished for him to conquer the very tangible Roman Empire instead of seeing that he was freeing them from the slavery within their hearts; even more so emphasized by the fact that Jesus had come at a time where the Jews were not in literal slavery, but social slavery where they bent and broke their own good potential to bargain their meager impulses from the largest human construction the world had ever known. And after Christ ascended, superficiality was continued by the perceived certainty that the Roman mess was surely the end times, and things like the crusades that were certain in saving a specific piece of tangible earth being a God ordained destiny. The tragedy is the human choice to so clearly abandon the chance of reflecting just a bit more to open up to that truth that God sees INTO you, and does not give you quick answers for your earthly cares. Back to 6:24 (on the video "3 reasons conservatives ALWAYS lose - KingdomCraft") What strikes me here is not your focus on a general mechanism of retreating, but instead, asking why that is the case. It doesn't take long to peel back what's to blame. It's the same thing I've struggled against my whole life, to see people resign themselves to be blown away by the wind of their comfort zone. People do all sorts of things because they aren't comfortable. Even when people aren't explicitly uncomfortable, something foreign to their experience can be far too confusing to authentically engage in, unless they are the type of person who naturally wants to explore that unknown. The people in your given example had a specific motive in their hearts. Although they had won a vote within that communal body, they were like so many other people in the world, that they didn't wish to exist in something where they might have to make concerted effort to consider what to do. Consideration takes time, and can be uncomfortable, because God has told us that very thing about doing something right in the eyes of God, and how it either turns a house against each other, or catches their attention and rouses curiosity. The people in that church who retreated, in their hearts, were so disgusted by things they found uncomfortable, that they took the easy way out. The church I currently attend has a slightly different version of this apathy, as people sit in their chairs on Sunday, saying what they think is the right thing when they're socially expected to provide feedback, but otherwise sit and stare in their passively comfortable spectacle of rinsing and repeating a reliable schedule. There's potlucks, and cake, and all the fun little activities you can think of, but the clock is ticking and you won't ever find the majority going into longform discussion about God's word while being vulnerable in how God is shaping them through their individual testimony. That's the thing. Vulnerability. Beyond any narrative a person gives behind what they don't like and why they're doing something, the answer is that they're afraid to think of what will happen after they put themselves out in the open of stating who they really are and how they really feel. There isn't even a beginning of a hope to motivate being vulnerable there; even in a simple exchange of words. I use this illustration to show WHY people are running away, instead of just addressing the symptom that "conservatives have a problem of running away"-- actually going into the heart of why the problem exists. In this way, assuming the term "Christian" means "everyone who goes to church has the same understanding and connection with God" limits the ability to see these kinds of problems. I believe that you should move beyond slogans and describe the direction and tools God gave us to know the detail of what things are, why they function in that way, and articulate what the good potential is that we should chase. Here are some thoughts about what I've experienced that have repeatedly emphasized themselves as being from the wisdom of God, beyond any of our mundane thoughts. I'm thankful that the Lord has been letting me reflect on things I've been seeing, like what true kindness means. It's like how the modern world bastardizes the term "love" by trying to make it synonymous with unrelenting acceptance for everything and anything. True care also means that you want someone to avoid harm and negatively impacting others around them. It's the same reason why we want our friends and family to regularly bathe; it's best for their health, it's best for the people around them, and when it's properly understood it shows that they are mature enough to move beyond their impulsively prideful judgements on what they want in the matter. There's a book called Tactics by Greg Koukl: it has been one of the more influential studies in my mind of how to speak with anyone about a belief they hold. The greatest truth within it is something the author doesn't necessarily recognize in an articulated way: the true way to disarm someone and have a truly productive and vulnerable connection with someone is to be kind in having the most authentic curiosity in getting to know what they believe and the reasons they believe it. This also means that with the amazingly complex individuality we all have within The Body of Christ, one person may not be the exact person to help another break through their prideful understandings, but they can help plant a good seed in their minds. That is true kindness, that is true love, and it can be painfully clear in ability to be articulated. This is why, when you kept voicing this idea of retaking the church, but merely saying the abstracted phrases of "retake institutions", "be as bold as them while not being sinful", and "show people how Christianity can improve society" is not enough to illustrate. I felt disappointed that you didn't take time to reveal the grounded tools of how to do that. Answers are abound, just as much as God is present in every moment. One thought I did find right is thinking of the duality of Conservatism and Progressivism, and where that is true within God's plan. What is a true progressive Christianity, if the opposite of that is conservatism that veers towards stagnation? It is truly allowing God's word to pierce and overwhelm the vulnerable truth about who you are, how you've sinned, and the potential of who you can become because of God's love and strength. It's also the fulfillment of reaching out to others in that same sacrifice of personal comfort. What is The Great Commission about? That same kind of vulnerability in getting to know someone and walk with them as Jesus walked with the disciples. Only through that discernment, responsibility, accountability, and loving motivation can anyone hope to make disciples and build a true community. I am still trying to find ways to break through with the people around me. I am forever thanking God that I have found at least one soul who wishes to be in my presence and share these hopes with me. I pray that we can all be more brave in facing these parts of ourselves, bringing our daily worries to God, and also making the bold request that God continually puts his wisdom within our thoughts instead of thinking of 'waiting on the Lord' as a passive state.

[@lonhickman75]

Finally! Our battle will be legendary

[@kriegjaeger]

To be fair we are called out of the world, not to subjugate it. I do think we should stand by Christ unapologetically and be forced out of positions if necessary, but when it comes to persecution we aren't called to martyr ourselves unless we have no other choice. The conversation around 36 minutes grieves me. We should never celebrate the destruction of a church because we know then God was not with them and they were not with God. If they were with God and doing his will, they would not have failed. If you want to influence the culture, do it by example. Building others up rather than tearing down and destroying them. Israel wasn't called to subjugate and destroy the world. Once the nation was established it was to serve as an example to others. People who lived within it should live by it's laws, but it was never to impose it's law on other nations. And not by THEIR force, but by the will of GOD who would destroy their enemies. But they focused on Earthly means of power, earthly means of social control. Earthly means that you're studying now rather than turning to God and asking him what HE wants you to do.

[@jopesh5083]

LETS GOOO, my favorite yoyo master (and Lutheran KZbinr)

[@CharlesFromHenryTheStickman]

Have you considered debating some atheists? I would really love to see that

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

I would be happy to debate CosmicSkeptic or Genetically Modified Skeptic

[@zippitydoodah5693]

Why? What would be the point?

[@Shiranu17]

@@zippitydoodah5693 Allow Christian arguments to be presented in public, to a wider audience, and show that a lot of the silly accusations new atheists (anti-theists) *make are actually incredibly illogical and... just... goofy. Likewise, allows Christians to know some of the deeper mechanisms for why they believe the things they do - that there is solid scientific and philosophical reasons to believe in your faith and not just because you were born in it or it's your culture.

[@ianmartinesq]

@@redeemedzoomer6053 Alex O’Conner has abandoned that moniker Cosmic Skeptic. I think you’d do well and Id watch it.

[@photonaut_8875]

@@redeemedzoomer6053 they are super cringe. I don’t know how good your debating skills are you should make “suits” just like Craig does so you can have prepared answer. Also be prepared for the storm of cringe to overtake your comment section.

[@BedtimeBen]

Zoomer, bro, you need to get a better grasp on the church history of America. Some of these splits are much more complicated than, conservatives leave. The RCUS is one of the most conservative Reformed definitions in the US, the group that eventually became the UCC left them. Or the PCA, it was initially almost entirely made up of what used to be the old southern Presbyterian Church, before it merged with the PCUS. I don't disagree with your project, but church history is complicated.

[@phoenixjones7191]

Church history is super complex lol easily enough material here to get a PhD in it. Two thousand years of history spanning the globe and the schisms between interpretations and cultural differences is a pretty deep topic.

[@giantotter319]

Which is why the kid needs to take it seriously and stop making those short videos that leave out important stuff. The denomination videos were simple enough, but theology is not a Ten minute video to explain everything material@@phoenixjones7191

[@BedtimeBen]

@@phoenixjones7191 Zoomer limits himself to America, and so did I. There is still a lot to learn, but it isn't impossible.

[@zachsmith8916]

@@BedtimeBenHe might limit himself to America but even in that regard he says some pretty inaccurate things.

[@jimluebke3869]

"On the Internet, make sure you remain under the authority of your pastor" -- Are you sure you're Protestant? Make sure you're under the authority of Scripture. Feel free to discuss this with your pastor, if you're lucky enough (as I am) to have one that has a better theological education than I do, and takes it seriously.

[@thomasthellamas9886]

Big up’s for the channel

[@johntobey1558]

The guest used to attend 10th Presbyterian Church which although PCA was historically PCUSA. . .so having been preached to by James Montogomery Boice so he knows his stuff. Did he attend Westminster Seminary for his ph.D.?

[@mmtoss6530]

The SBC is another “mainline” denomination that has remained conservative.

[@toilet_cleaner_man]

The Baptists are not part of the historical "Magisterial" reformation, it formed out of a radical reformation within the Anglican church. The historical protestant traditions are: Lutheran, Calvinist/Reformed, Presbyterian, Anglican/Episcopalian, and sometimes the Methodists (depending on who you're talking to).

[@mmtoss6530]

@@toilet_cleaner_man the ABCUSA is a mainline denomination. Being mainline doesn’t mean your a classical Protestant (I personally wouldn’t put Methodists in the category either). The Disciples of Christ, which is a restorationist church is another mainline. Being mainline means your church is old and historic.

[@txgsu43]

The SBC has been around for nearly 200 years, so I would argue it meets the definition of “old” and “established.” The Disciples of Christ, to contrast, is only just over 100 years old. The reason why it is not viewed as “mainline” is because it is a Southern denomination founded to support slavery. As such people it developed as a counter cultural movement-supporting things like Jim Crowe, segregation, and other distateful things. The SBC rejects this history and has moved past it, and as such it does not want its cultural heritage to be the lead message. If anything the SBC would like you to forget its age.

[@zachsmith8916]

@@txgsu43It’s also worth pointing out that the history of the SBC goes back even before its founding to the Trienial convention.

[@yellowblackbird9000]

​@@mmtoss6530Baptists are not old or historic.

[@no.6660]

35:17 that one was felt on a deep level but it’s still just as true

[@jimluebke3869]

Regarding optimism - remember the parable of the Sower. If you can't recall this immediately, look it up.

[@attila4585]

1 hour redeemed zoomer talk? Count me in

[@calebneff5777]

Oh hey a couple of my best friends went to Dubuque Theological Seminary. Good school.

[@sameash3153]

Whenever I hear christians talk about not being of the world, I immediately go yes that's biblical, but also cope. These same christians three or four decades would have lived in a dominantly cultural christian country. Back then, they WERE the world. They have this position now that they are the counterculture.

[@calebneff5777]

Such a great collab.

[@toilet_cleaner_man]

YES! YES! YES!

[@BoondockBrony]

As someone who was raised atheist, I am the opposite of many deconstructers. I was pretty sheltered but only passive aggressively defended against Christianity, however I was open to Christianity because well they treated me like a normal person not someone who was damned. I had to deal with my own issues and the arguments on the other side aare what made me theist then overall Christian. I will also say that anime is now basically what the new satanic panic is nowadays. I don't care how hot this take is. If you laugh at the Satanic panic but follow Matt Walsh's mindset on anime in general you have serious cognitive dissonance.

[@bennettrubingh]

I go to a non denominational school that was created off of a church the education is fine and I wouldn’t be a Christian if I didn’t go there so I am deeply thankful but I do recognize the faults and in history class we read about the colonization of America and kids can’t pronounce Presbyterian because they haven’t ever heard of it so we are not only at a place where are kids aren’t only shielded from culture but also from other Christian’s they basically think there is Catholics and them

[@ThePaulKM]

What abiut Sproul's Church, St. Andrew's in Florida? It's a PCA Church and modern. Is it not beautiful? I certainly think it is, and something our culture desperately needs. Building NEW, beautiful buildings, not just holding on to the past; though I do agree with you on retaking the old buildings, too.

[@hamontequila1104]

zoomer has helpwd me in mu journey to the apostolic churches imensly. When i first converted i was a pentacostal (i just became what my parents were) but after a bit i wuickly fell out of pentacostalism with the help of zoomer (he got me into theology) i bounced around for a few months and after a bit im deciding to focus my scooe between the catholic church and eastern orthodox church, if anyone has anything to say about either of these churches the hell would be desired😊

[@MarianMetanoia]

Also, Scott Hahn!

[@MarianMetanoia]

Wow, I don’t know where my first comment went, but I was recommending you check out Trent Horn, an excellent Catholic apologist. Zoomer says they’re doing a video together soon. I also recommend Bishop Robert Barron.

[@viktorkassem716]

If deciding between the two what it boils down to is the pope. All other theological differences (which aren't really that many) are settled with this one question. One example: As a Catholic I would of course say that the pope is neccessary to discern which councils are valid and which aren't. Orthodox have no good way of doing that. We just accept it when the pope accepts it. The Orthodox first accepted the council of florence in 1439 and it could have been reunification but they took that decision back. So just answer this question for you and then you can decide which route you take.

[@Hoosie_]

Hey I've made it to a year in the ACNA without converting to Catholicism! (As I'm listening to pints with Aquinas)

[@matiasdsalerno]

I’m I the only one who is wearing a three piece suit to watch this epic crossover?

[@DrJordanBCooper]

As I would hope.

[@PHIKrieger]

How is the OCA protestant?? Can we get an elaboration on that?

[@zacharyglasgow5351]

What is the most conservative seminary in the PCUSA?

[@nelsonang]

institutions are the containers of ideology and culture, through which the implications are lived out...

[@thorgot911]

I sure hope KZbin is paying you for this video. I'm only 16 minutes into the video and already had to deal with 5 interrupting ads.

[@conneraldeqn9751]

Yo guys I need help with something... So with everything happening in Israel, I'm starting to be really nervous that it is the end times. I know I shouldn't be afraid, but I just can't help it. My end times phobia started in 2020 because everybody thought it was and coming up with all sorts of conspiracy theories. I really want to know how I can conquer this fear and how I can be happy for the end to be closer, whether that time is next week or a thousand years. Any advice is appreciated 😎😄

[@junothepeasant]

I think we should be careful not to go down that loop of conspiracy theory mindset. Remember, the Bible says that no one will know when the end times will definitely come. Definitely watch RZ's video about conspiracy theories and Gnosticism (5 ways THIS heresy influences the church today), it's pretty helpful despite the clickbaity title (lol). Also, another important thing to note, Revelation (the book) can be taken as symbolic, and there are also theories that it was mainly a letter reflecting on Christian persecution under the Roman Empire. The main message of the book isn't to tell you the specifics of the end times (since all of it is, in honesty, very surreal and hard to understand), but to send the message that regardless of anything, Christ will come to save the church through all tribulation. If you find yourself scared of the end times, perhaps focusing on Christ's role in all of it will help. I admit I need to do this more as well, as I've struggled in focusing on Christ. The conflict in Israel has always been going on for several decades. The world has always had this pattern of good times and worsening times that every generation has felt. Recognizing and perhaps also being cautious of times of trouble are good, but harmful if it clouds our view of everything else. There are higher things to look towards, as Colossians 3:1-2 states. This last bit isn't advice, but a song that I've sung at church that kind of relates to this. It's called "Tell it to Jesus," (I highly recommend listening to it), but there's this verse that really resonates whenever I also start to feel those fears and anxieties you have: "Are you troubled at the thought of dying? Tell it to Jesus, Tell it to Jesus; For Christ's coming kingdom are you sighing? Tell it to Jesus alone." Hope this helps man, and hope it wasn't too long of a read.

[@conneraldeqn9751]

@@junothepeasant nah it's all good. Thanks a lot bro, and God bless. Here's a cake and cat emoji for your troubles🎂🐱

[@junothepeasant]

@@conneraldeqn9751 God bless you too, and I appreciate the cake and the cat haha

[@CornCod1]

Here's a bit of wisdom from Martin Luther: "Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would stil plant my apple tree". Just pray, make use of the means of grace and seek your pastor's counsel if you need it.

[@morganpauls1873]

hi i know this is late and not exactly the same thing but i fear finite fractal infinite causal system perception agreement/divide ive learned when its bad like flying or potential ruin of kin and such it helps to focus on certainty that because everything is given not to who why what or how but to when statements such as everything will be fine and if its not fine now it will be eventually because the infinite puts itself to its own sword and makes the finite out of itself help a lot

[@hamontequila1104]

zoomer must have been so exited. amazing interveiw

[@gamesrock3271]

Oh, dang. I thought RZ was on with John Cooper from Skillet. J/k 😂 maybe someday. Big fan of both your ministries and cheering on Reconquista from here in California.

[@jessiahswales9067]

Its hilarious that RZ forgot to mention that his pastor affirms homosexual marriage and his church only recently and reluctantly said no to flying a pride flag

[@TitusCastiglione1503]

Source?

[@justarandomweeb4234]

he said it in a recent video@@TitusCastiglione1503

[@CloroxBleach-cq7tj]

I think that was his previous pastor, apparently his new one is more conservative in his theology

[@jessiahswales9067]

@@CloroxBleach-cq7tj his previous “pastor” was a woman and was replaced with a man. But his current pastor affirms homosexuality and has recently done a study with his congregation on a book the celebrates transgenderism in Christianity

[@TitusCastiglione1503]

@@jessiahswales9067 source?

[@justinhilton]

29:39 RZ flirting with Jordan via Star Wars references

[@jeffreybrannen9465]

Two issues: PHDs and avoiding Vietnam. PHDs require new results and therefore invites heresy. Vietnam could be avoided by going to seminary and so unqualified men went into seminary to avoid the draft.

[@jakecb6396]

In the history book: "The Anglo-Saxon world". The Catholic Anglo-Saxons used treat Saint candidates like celebrities, gossiping about both their imperfections and their holiness. The truth is that the Church was the culture. And for the better, it will be the culture again at the end of time. The answer is Christians should not retreat but go into the culture and live by example and perform missions. Because we would want as many otherwise good and holy souls in the undying culture as possible. But I guess the predestination of Calvinism means it will happen when it happens. Lol.

[@JeedthejetDoe]

Let's go

[@zippitydoodah5693]

" _Should Christians retreat from culture?_ " Define your terms. The conversation is pointless otherwise. My culture is Southern Appalachian. Am I to retreat from cornbread and sweet tea? Pecan Pie? Grits? Buttermilk biscuits? Fried green tomatoes? Hummingbird cake? BBQ? Fried Chicken? The Waffle House? Bluegrass? Gospel quartet music? Blues? Jazz? Buck dancing? My accent? My vernacular? Mark Twain? William Faulkner? Thomas Wolfe? Harper Lee? Family reunions? Sunday Dinner on the ground ( actually on long outdoor concrete tables ), From which of these should I retreat? < smh >.

[@phoenixjones7191]

Well obviously we're talking about cornbread. Cornbread is heretical.

[@ianmartinesq]

You should also retreat from Hummingbird cake like it was a lion out of its cage. Just think how many hummingbirds you’d have to kill to make one cake. There’s just no meat there.

[@zippitydoodah5693]

@@ianmartinesq 🤣you made me snort my tea! LOL!!!! Seriously, you should try a slice if you ever get the chance. I think its origins are in the Caribbean Islands, but when I was a kid in the early 80's it was a staple at our Church dinners. Banana Pudding, Hummingbird Cake, Black Forest Cake, Fried Apple Pies, and a dish they called Ambrosia were nearly always at every gathering.

[@zippitydoodah5693]

@@phoenixjones7191 😂 Funny. But it does belong to one of the most common markers of a distinct culture - its food. Food, music, dance, language/dialect, religion, and folk stories are the most salient markers of a culture. Speaking of "culture" as an all-or-nothing item from which Christians are supposed to consider "retreating" isn't even a logical topic for discussion. It is a waste of time. Out of all the great questions that could be discussed in this video, they choose this banal, ambiguous topic that seems to be mostly filler.

[@ianmartinesq]

@@zippitydoodah5693 Thank you, sir! You ran the ball all the way down the field yourself and scored a comedic touch down. I just kicked the two pointer. That sounds awesome! I’ll have to look for a recipe! 😄 Thanks!

[@Ordo1980]

11:30 My theory: The most important underlying cause is the evolution of technology (I have to say that even though I like technology a lot). And besides that the collapse of the hierarchy of the society. Now to the stage where the people with a mind of a slave (or a really lowly landless peasant) rule and also define the culture and worldview. All these changes opened a hole, a wound on society what makes us vulnerable to even more diseases. We could say we are on a downhill path, where you could only stay in place if you make conscious effort to do so.

[@sapiensfromterra5103]

Yes! Culture is merely an idol and never was really christian to begin with, culture needs to be among the first rangs to be kept sane and alive. This is idolatry though thus only the survival of christianity matters and cultures are expandable. If you want to be consistent, more waves of iconoclasm have to happen, tear all that stuff down.

[@david.leikam]

No, Christians shouldn't retreat from (pop) culture or shy away from being an upright Christian in modern day.

[@crestiniideastazi7976]

Acording to predestination, does God force you to love Him?

[@DakotaJones-nn2oi]

No, but maybe if you ask nicely.

[@tyshillito2100]

Uhh...RC Sproul, Joel Beeke, John MacArthur, John Piper. All solid reformed preachers. Read and watch their stuff. Then go back a century and read BB Warfield and J Gresham Manchen.

[@reliabledeus9740]

YESSSSS!!!!

[@Interns-Eternal-Empire]

plz do a vid on the Copts you said you would so plz do a vid on it and when you talk to them ask about the Coptic Pope

[@viktorkassem716]

At 33:50 I don't know what Dr. Cooper is referring to with "protestantized". Most young people go there for the old liturgy and though Reformed and Lutherans have liturgy, western rite and eastern rite mass are on a whole other level. Novus Ordo is of course kinda protestant but still not that much and young people generally tend to attend the traditional mass over Novus Ordo. If he is referring to other things after Vatican 2 I don't know what he means either because it is still a very far cry from the bottom-up structure of protestant churches. I think it is very obvious that there was a some protestantization but young people generally want to get as far away from Protestantism when converting to Catholicism or Orthodoxy sp they will also look for the least protestant things inside those churches.

[@JonathanBuescher]

Here for Star Wars reference at 29min mark

[@mynameis......23]

32:59

[@CanadianAnglican]

Things go left because a lot of people feel that conservatives want everyone to play by conservative rules. I’d like to see them some where in the middle.

[@upside_you_mop]

18:38

[@sobyntahondi]

He said "Dr Jordan B" and I thought of Peterson 😅

[@capndrake2507]

YEAH ULTRA COLLAB

[@im2old4this2]

Dr. Cooper can't help but be judgmental. It's his upbringing, training, and worldview; separating the sheep from the goats and all of that kind of thing. Notice how frequently he labels people and ideas - and always with a moral judgment undertone. He shows very little curiosity. Instead, he's very "certain" of his worldview. Does he love his neighbors, even if they're liberals? Does he still judge them as sinners who are going to hell? "Should Christians retreat from culture?" is a funny question. Here's the definition of culture that I just pulled from Google: "the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group." Each denomination of Christianity has its own culture. There may be a broader culture of all Christians, at least in America. But the idea you can "fight" culture is wrong. I mean, you can try, but you can't win. To "influence" culture - which is about the best you can hope for - you need numbers! You need a big number of people to be aligned with your perspective. You don't get there by fighting. you need to win hearts and minds. But Dr. Cooper doesn't see it that way. He wants the seat at the proverbial table of power and spread his view of culture in a top down way. His idea of "the new mainline" seems verging on theocracy - "non-denominationalism has to die" - but it is at least anti-American, or anti-First Amendment. American culture is based on religious freedom, including the freedom from religion. Go do your religion thing, and many secularists will defend your right to do so. Sure, grow your religion by spreading the good news or doing good works or whatever a positive change might look like, but this conversation sounds more like a war plan. "Always be under the authority of your pastor" - oh boy! And if your pastor is seggsually abusing you? He should be more careful with his words. But of course, Dr. Cooper would want his parishioners to be under his spiritual authority. He thinks very highly of himself and he thinks you should think highly of him too. Lots of pastors do, and too many of them don't deserve your deference and they'll use their positions of authority to hurt people. Be careful.

[@loganstrait7503]

Zoomer, do you believe in (anthropogenic) climate change? And if so, do you think that this is a cultural battleground where the right is losing currently? I know many young people for whom this is a very large issue in their political-ideological mindset and so they end up on the left even if they find themselves opposed to the left on other cultural issues (like LGBTQ) or on spiritual matters.

[@brettk1517]

ACNA ordains women, just an FYI.

[@yeetoburrito9972]

Only some dioceses, not all

[@christianusacross5084]

Good video

[@CliffBurtonhatesHazbinHotel]

hello :)

[@atheist2christ]

As a new Christian i have found it really hard to find a church. Thats part of culture but seperate from it.

[@thomasc9036]

Why does Zoomer feel that leaving the mainline denomination is "retreating" from the culture? Denominations like OPC is not Amish...

[@redeemedzoomer6053]

OPC is pretty dang close to Amish

[@thomasc9036]

@@redeemedzoomer6053 In what way? I attended one near my house and it was no different than other conservative churches. Have you ever attended one?

[@zachsmith8916]

⁠@@redeemedzoomer6053Having actually studied the Amish in some detail I can tell you they’re not similar in many ways. I haven’t heard of an OPC church making their members affirm an ordnung of dress and behavior, and acceptable technologies. Personally while not agreeing with much of what the Amish teach I think there is a lot mainstream Protestants can learn from them.

[@ghostlord1229]

Oh damn I thought you were with Jordan Peterson then. 😱

[@simonskinner1450]

The weakness of Christianity is its lack of a clear definition of obedient faith, yet the NT is open and clear, one truth that cannot be interpreted liberally as it is the one way to heaven.

[@homelessman3506]

Why are you interviewing my favorite yo yo er

[@johntobey1558]

This guest is an antiquarian.

[@BrockSamson18]

Oh look, the Europoor needs saving again.

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

The market of ideas and culture forcefully excludes Christians because their contributions are typically so bad. Christian novels, music, movies, etc. really only represent sterilized, rehashed versions of what the secular world has already perfected. To make progress in culture christianity has to say something new, but theology is so calcified and stagnant that nothing new can be said without expressing a heresy. Christianity is so prudish that no artistic representation by a Christian could accurately depict the raw sensuality of an incarnated existence without drawing the ire of fellow religionists. If Christians will have a relevant culture, it will come from the heretics.

[@blondetapperware8289]

The faith is "ever ancient, ever new", to quote Augustine. The permanence of our theology does not limit us in the modern age because it transcends this current but small period of history. Lord of the Rings, Inferno, Beowulf.. the allegorical stories in the Bible. All of these Christian works are everlasting. We just need to focus our creativity towards what is true, good, and beautiful. That is how we succeed where hallow modern Christian films tend to fail. Jonathan Pageau talks a lot about this subject, being an Orthodox writer and iconographer himself.

[@dvinb]

you're user name is an oxymoron, take the Catholic out of it, atheist. Also, Tolkien and Lewis are two of the most well-known novel authors, Bach and Händel are the greatest composer known to mankind, so what are you even talking about?

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

@@blondetapperware8289 The Matrix was one of the most successful Christian film franchises precisely because it was heretical. Lord of the Rings is filled to brimming with magic and bloodshed and its very own pagan theogeny. They are successful because they are transgressive.

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

​@@dvinb😂 Catholic means "universal," and perrennialist means "at all times." They are nearly synonyms! 😂

[@rebeccalindley153]

So you like what comes out of Hollywood.

[@pyotr94]

Zoomer, just convert to Catholicism. That’s the whole reason why the Church exists. To protect the cultural power of Catholicism. Come home to Rome.

[@MarianMetanoia]

Come home to the OG mainline.

[@joker-qs3nd]

He disagrees heavily with the roman catholic church in numerous theological points.I do not see why would he join if he does not belive in papal authority,praying for saints to interced,the marian dogmas(execpt the virgin birth of Jesus ),purgatory and etc

[@joker-qs3nd]

Also in my country the catholic church is very liberal and has beeen pushing an liberal/socialist agenda(liberation theology) the people that heavily criticise abortion and the redfinition marriage are protestants and evangelicals

[@sameash3153]

You guys gave up your cultural power centuries ago.

[@joker-qs3nd]

@@sameash3153 in my country that happened in 50s/60s

[@rohan7224]

The true spiritual heritage of Protestants is Catholicism. Please return to the one true Church!

[@drdarrylschroeder5691]

Hello - There is no religion higher than Truth. The original Scriptures were edited for many years and the final result quite different from what was originally taught. Please see The Hermit by Dr T Lobsang Rampa. Also sign up for the Metaphysical courses available from the Mystery Schools (if you successfully qualify upon application). Blessings - RevDrDPhD/Ministry

[@locrian5818]

Describing a Christian as going through a "Navy Seal" like experience in public school is ridiculous. You are the largest religion on the planet and most of the culture in the West is based upon Christian doctrines. If you are unable to surround yourself with like-minded individuals that says more about you rather than the state of religious discrimination in this country.

[@danielk3919]

The people in schools are not equivalent to culture outside, and definitely not in academically prestigious areas. I (born 2002) live in Sweden, a historically Lutheran Christian country and has been for hundreds of years. The people I went to school with were all secular and non-religious, I don't think I saw a single Christian who actually professed true faith. They were milquetoast liberals with a vaguely spiritual view of life. And politically everyone was liberal or leftist in some way. I imagine the situation would be the same with redeemed zoomer.

[@christianusacross5084]

I wish more Protestant Christians would support Israel ✝️🇮🇱

[@dekatus7746]

The Chruch is the new Israel

[@captainneeda1980]

Why? What makes Israel any different from other unconverted nations?

[@lephinor2458]

​@@captainneeda1980they have control of Jerusalem and other cities with Holy significance. They have also allowed christens to go on pilgrimages and see christen holy sites. But if we allow them to be invaded by Islam extremists then any christens there will be threatened and in danger of being suppressed or worse.

[@CloroxBleach-cq7tj]

Why? To what end does it serve?

[@adolphCat]

Why should Protestant or any other type of Christains support the Modern State of Israel? What benefit would this be to Christianity?

[@simonskinner1450]

Seriously there was no atonement at the Cross, all sacrifice for us was as written but indirect, Jesus died for us but his blood went to heaven for his use as high priest of his church. I have a Ytube video series called 'Myths in so-called Christianity' for NT truth.

[@stevenjames6830]

Zoomer, what is your view of the JQ?

[@stevenjames6830]

We need a one true church of Protestantism