Anything can go wrong with any frame not only Chinese carbon mountain bike frame!
@macacada3533 жыл бұрын
🤔corona virus?🦠
@raykupal3 жыл бұрын
... too soon?
@DmitryDruzhinin3 жыл бұрын
But chances are different.
@MTB_Rider_964 жыл бұрын
I have 3 Chinese carbon MTB frames built up so far, and i have plans for a 4th bike. I beat my bikes in Colorado, Moab, and lots of other places with no frame problems at all. I've never paid more than $700 USD for a carbon frame.
@davidarthur4 жыл бұрын
Sounds good to me!
@ericchile4 жыл бұрын
Where do you buy from?
@aphleesegurtra28204 жыл бұрын
yea, where did you buy?
@matejvacik46314 жыл бұрын
Can you please recommend any particular brand or seller of those frames? Thx in advance.
@MTB_Rider_964 жыл бұрын
@@matejvacik4631 Also look at Tideace Carbon frames on ebay. I have 2 Tideace frames that I beat on every chance I get and they have not broken or had any problems at all.
@Vempire1232 жыл бұрын
After a lot of km on my FM936 I can say this thing is the abolute coolest shit. Trailriding, commuting, touring. This thing does it all. Killer bike with 120/107mm suspension 8my(my build) Awesome geometry.
@anthonysturchio10764 жыл бұрын
Hi David. I just recently ordered my third Chinese carbon frame. I'm a fairly heavy rider (240 lbs ride weight) and have put over 3,500 miles on my two year old Chinese carbon full suspension frame. I'm routinely doing tons of rocks and roots, 2-3 foot drops to flat and some small jumps. In that time, I've sheared one hollow alloy pivot bolt, which they quickly replaced under warranty. I snapped one derailleur hanger, which I had purchased extras of ahead of time. I also replaced the frame bearings with SKF bearings, paying out of pocket. Otherwise, the frame has been flawless. Its got plenty of scrapes and scratches, some fairly deep, but no signs of cracking, delaminating or bubbling in any way. A thread together BB92 bracket went a long way towards keeping the bike quiet. My frame has internal cable routing, but no built in cable tubing, so it does suffer from some cable slap over rough terrain, though plenty of name brand bikes suffer the same. My bike arrived with a flawless matte black finish. A buddy who ordered the same frame off eBay received one with some visual defects where you can see the layup seams, but is still functionally perfect. Just something to keep in mind, as the absolute cheapest available retailers may cut some corners in terms of finish. But over all, I have been very happy with my current two frames, and I am eagerly awaiting my new one. I've also had great luck with Chinese carbon rims. However I have managed to break a pair of $12 carbon handlebars with a "stomp test". Better to break the bars underfoot in my garage than out on the trail with my face. For now, I'm sticking to name brand carbon handlebars. Also, it's worth noting that Chinese factories may be affected by the current coronavirus outbreak. Between the lunar new year, and the coronavirus scare, factory direct sellers seem to be slower than usual to respond. You may want to figure that into your review.
@davidarthur4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for such an informative reply! Sounds like you’ve had a really good experience. I’ve not yet had a reply, presumably because of the current issues. Curious if this will start to impact supplies of bikes and components for the big bike brands?
@anthonysturchio10764 жыл бұрын
@@davidarthur I have, thanks. As you alluded to in your video, there's plenty of reviews on some of the more popular MTB sites. You showed some in your video. It seems sticking with the more popular Chinese brands is your best bet. The frame may be available through many sellers, but the bigger and more popular brands seem to have the better QC, better communication, and better handling of any warranty issues. At some point I'm sure it could potentially hurt the big brands. However their supply chain has already anticipated the month long holiday, and the orders are likely in such high numbers that they can weather this bump in the road without much pain. They probably have frames already waiting to ship at the factory. Frames already loaded on a container ship. Frames already in the distributor's warehouse. Without being over there, its hard to get a good temperature reading, but I suspect employee absenteeism and shuttered factories are starting to wear thin on corporate management as well as politicians. Hopefully they can devise a plan to offer reasonable safety and protection for workers while still allowing them to get back to business as usual. I would hate to see anyone put at risk, but bringing the entire Asian economy to a grinding halt is not a good option either.
@davidarthur4 жыл бұрын
I have some discussions with people on the supply chain and like you say it’s difficult to get a handle on it without being over there. If it continues it’s sure to hit some brands, I suspect smaller brands will be impacted worse and sooner than big brands
@mitchellconant93364 жыл бұрын
What "brand" was your fs frame?
@davidarthur4 жыл бұрын
@@mitchellconant9336 Hi, I opted for this one here but I've not yet had a reply from the company www.carbonda.com/mountain/full-suspension/98.html
@laxplaysu914 жыл бұрын
currently in the process of purchasing a carbonda cfr696. Adam the rep has been a great communicator and very helpful in the process so far. just waiting to see if they are able to do the color way i'm asking for. Riding gravel forum has a lot of information on this company and many complete builds by others who have bought from this company.
@DmitryDruzhinin3 жыл бұрын
Hope you didn't do that.
@gavriloprincip16654 жыл бұрын
Carbonda, Dengfu, Hongfu, Lightcarbon, Yoleo,... are not UNBRANDED chinese frame manufacturer.
@trisupersport14784 жыл бұрын
ты забыл про ICAN
@urielelinos70223 жыл бұрын
hi, have you ever heard about Lexon frame? Chinese on AliExpress too
@KungFuChess4 жыл бұрын
Main difference is the big manufacturers have strict quality control on what comes out of Chinese factories. The no name ones usually dont.
@slin32324 жыл бұрын
If you actually look into the quality of some of the big names you are starting to doubt their QC. Even the most expensive stuff often is not tested 100% and so there is always a chance of riding a defective frame.
@arnouvdvegt4 жыл бұрын
Hi David, nice to see you took my comment in your ns bike review to make a new video about china bikes... I'm now 500km further biking (the picture you showed was also my bike;-)) and loving m more and more. It will cost you around 850dollars incl shipment. Communication is normally very fast, but now just after chinees holiday and with the virusissue it will take more time.. I tell you this...i'm loving china carbon that much I also bought carbon rims by nextie to match the china carbon thing. Continu the nice vids...really wondering what your opinion will be!
@davidarthur4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience, I’m really interested to hopefully get my hands on the frame and see what it’s like. Sounds like you’re very happy with yours?
@Fajah692 жыл бұрын
I did get a Chinese frame, no branding but identical to a big name frame that costs 5x much. Works fine, rides good as well. The only issue is the paint job, its not that good as the more expensive ones.
@Elmanomaki4 жыл бұрын
This frame... fm936... is a WRC thunder 2020 and thunder/dark 2021. And mendiz x40 2020.
@tonystrange72244 жыл бұрын
A few lads at my club have Chinese road bike frames and they swear by them. My son has three sets of Chinese carbon wheels and they are superb. As you say most branded carbon bikes come from here anyway and I guess if they sold us rubbish the orders would soon dry up.
@davidarthur4 жыл бұрын
Interesting to hear your experience, thanks for sharing!
@TheTacticalTbag4 жыл бұрын
Got a Linköping to buy those Wheels?
@JoeytheGrape4 жыл бұрын
I purchased an Iplay 156 (A knockoff scott spark 27.5 with more travel) all the way back in 2014 and rode it for a year. It was sold, no issues with the actual carbon, but the hardware it came with was all made of butter and needed to be replaced. I work at a shop so it wasn't hard for me to measure, although sourcing was slightly harder. Someone might struggle a lot sorting these issues out, and at least for me the frame was a little un-rideable with the stock hardware.
@davidarthur4 жыл бұрын
Really interesting feedback, thanks for sharing. That is a worry and I've read similar issues with fitting bottom brackets etc
@desertratmtb3 жыл бұрын
Did you ever make a part 2 to this?
@johndef50754 жыл бұрын
Buy a light carbon frame. Load it up with 160 to 180 mm suspension.Add suspension lockout. Add dropper post and huge oversized tires. Now you have a 32+ lb. bike that is slow uphill and down. Ive been mtbing for 30 years. Things have gotten real stupid. The goal used to be a 25 lb. or less bike that ripped uphill and downhill. Long travel bikes are fine in the proper setting but now people are buying them to ride our local trails where around 100mm front and rear is really all you need. Just like those stupid gravel bikes. We already have cx bikes. And gravel bikes are slowly morphing into short travel 29er mtbs. Both of which are already here. And you get to pay 5g or more for a porky sled. Innovation?
@davidarthur4 жыл бұрын
I know what you mean! But then modern bikes are much more durable and capable than they ever were. You can still get a 21-25lb bike with short travel if you want it
@JohnnyRabbitQC Жыл бұрын
You can't go wrong with Carbonda.
@bugizm91504 жыл бұрын
built my 29er hardtail chinese carbon frame 2 years ago..no isssue even with moderate trail use.. i bent my drop out once and contacted the seller who promptly sent me replacements ..paint is matte and isnt fairing too well from use but still good.. overall cost was about 1500 compared to spending 2500 for something comparable
@AW-wy3xv2 жыл бұрын
i bought the carbonda cfr696 and its doing very well.
@PixelUser4 жыл бұрын
It does say developed by NS right in the ad page.
@mintorahadi3 жыл бұрын
dadi kesimpulane piye lek ? apik ora frame iki ?
@ikederpike4 жыл бұрын
This is great!
@veganaus4 жыл бұрын
David, I've bought a Chinese carbon ROAD frame in December 2019. It is very very similar to the Canyon Ultimate CF SLX 8.0. Close to 2000km nows now, no issues at all. Runs superbly. Only problem I had was building the bike since I am not an experience mechanic. I ended up taking it to a LBS to get it done properly. Image: → i.imgur.com/RVRBeaL.jpg
@davidarthur4 жыл бұрын
Nice bike and thanks for sharing
@veganaus4 жыл бұрын
@@davidarthur Thanks mate, just getting into MTB and stumbled across your channel. Awesome content, have subbed 👍👍
@jonienglish32314 жыл бұрын
I had BAD LUCK with Chinese Carbon Seat Post , Qyality Control CRAP !!!! Fake VCLS was too Big - Seller Told me To Sand Down to Fit my 2015 Cannondale F29 Alloy - WTF !!! another ASIACOM was too small Diameter 2020 Just Comitted to a FM-M009 Frameset - Fingers Crossedwith a Used Niner RDO Rigid Fork 15mmx100mm
@luckboxing474 жыл бұрын
I linked to the frame in your Pinkbike story. Have you heard back from them? I ordered a frame last month, but it was returned to sender and they've been closed for weeks (holiday/coronavirus). Since you rode the NS... would the medium be appropriate for somebody 5'10"? I raced a Pro-mance M7007-II frame in Whistler/Squamish all summer and had no issues, certainly sold me on Chinese frames from reputable sellers. I also have 3 seasons or Chinese carbon wheels (Light Bicycle), lots of bike park laps, no issues.
@davidarthur4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I’ve not had a reply yet but it’s only been a few days, do wonder if the issues over there are making a big impact on manufacturing? I think the medium might be good, i was happy with the large with a shorter stem - I like long reach bikes. Good to hear your report on riding the frame and wheels in whistler
@luckboxing474 жыл бұрын
@@davidarthur How tall are you for comparison? I'm coming from a 432mm reach frame/50mm stem and it's a touch short. I think it'll be awhile with the virus! Best of luck
@davidarthur4 жыл бұрын
@@luckboxing47 I'm 5'11". I'm very used to longer reach bikes, been riding a few in the last year that range between 480-503mm reach. Think you might be right about the virus sadly
@kevinvandeventer86904 жыл бұрын
My current bike a Lightcarbon lcfs958 I sold my Intense Recluse the minute i saw this frame and fell in love. m.pinkbike.com/photo/18106509/ www.lightcarbon.com/all-new-lightcarbon-trail-mtb-frame-lcfs958_p118.html With the money saved i was able to pimp it out Trickstuff Piccola brakes Chris king hubs di2/sram xx1 cassette mag/ti ht pedals revive dropper. 27.5 lbs and now running a Trust Shout fork. It flies and carries speed thru roots very well. One last thing you need to know is it will be very dependent on the right shock tune. I am running a fox with a digressive compression tune. For me at 140lbs it works very well. (Wouldn't suggest it for someone any heavier though) Sits up and pedals and combined with the high leverage of a 130mm travel on a 165x45 shock it gets out of the way on small and big hits. Also subscribed and very interested in seeing your video series on this bike. Be aware that the virus has hit them hard and will surely delay your getting a frame. Get clear glossy finish and add some ams or dyedbro frame protection. It will look dope. Peace.
@airhogglider3 жыл бұрын
165 shocks are kind of small right? There are more being sold at 170/180+. Not sure why this frame uses a small shock.
@charlesberkley34603 жыл бұрын
Hi, I cant find the follow up video to this can you please link me to it, I'm considering that same frame
@davidarthur3 жыл бұрын
It's on the channel! Here ya go kzbin.info/www/bejne/g2GwiJZ-etVnhJo
@nathanknight74844 жыл бұрын
Iv been looking at this frame just wondering if you have received it yet and what’s your thoughts
@davidarthur4 жыл бұрын
I don’t buy it in the end, covid19 and lockdown out an end to it. I do have another Chinese frame coming my way soon though...
@twitch_jjg_62344 жыл бұрын
Try and get a £250 on. I might get one so I want to see what it would be like and also because it is cheap and most of them are like £1000
@naushilb4 жыл бұрын
Hi, did you end up buying one of these ?
@davidarthur4 жыл бұрын
I haven't yet because of the lockdown and so many other uncertainties. I still want to though
@dcv94603 жыл бұрын
Did you buy one??? Update pleas =)
@davidarthur3 жыл бұрын
Yes there’s a video or two on the channel
@dcv94603 жыл бұрын
@@davidarthur Found it!! Thank you =)
@Dryb1as4 жыл бұрын
This frame looks very similar to NS Bikes Synonyn 🤔 the same geometry numbers. Do they copy NS Synonyn or other way ? 😲
@davidarthur4 жыл бұрын
Does doesn't it! Not sure what the score is tbh
@kevinvandeventer86904 жыл бұрын
The ns is a catalog frame. Youd be shocked at how many smaller brands use slightly modified catalog frames. American eagle and bmc are 2 that come to mind.
@Dryb1as4 жыл бұрын
@@davidarthur Did they write back to you?
@DmitryDruzhinin3 жыл бұрын
Fast answer: NO.
@Angus.fergusonn4 жыл бұрын
Looks exactly like a trek remedy?
@davidarthur4 жыл бұрын
If it went on a serious diet :)
@traptown50874 жыл бұрын
david arthur
@tommy406293 жыл бұрын
If you will died, then buy!
@mikeshafer30593 жыл бұрын
Buyer beware
@NomadFM3 жыл бұрын
I think this is the same frame where a guy with a broken leg rode before.
@TheDoozie434 жыл бұрын
The answer is no. How do you conveniently warranty it with China being so far away? Buy from a bike shop for that very reason. And for your safety.
@NomadFM3 жыл бұрын
The point is: don't go for carbon, go for metal and get a motor.
@NomadFM3 жыл бұрын
@MegaMrblackguy The point is: carbon breaks.
@ForkInTheButt4 жыл бұрын
If you value not having any broken bones, I wouldn't buy a Chinese frame.