I bought a mtb hardtail chinese carbon frame about 7 years ago. $399.00...Threw on all my Shimano components on it. Ride it regular in the santa monica mnts. I weigh 180 lbs. No problems. Frame is solid. 🦅
@rgmtb4 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@harveycasey19003 жыл бұрын
My first full suspension MTB was a carbon 29er frame from a Chinese company called Ican that came with a 2yr warranty & that only cost me 375 bucks that was about 5yrs ago & it was a nice looking frame. I built it up with all thee bells & whistles because the cost of the frame was so low & rode the👹HELL👹out of it & it came with a 2yr warranty. The quality of the frame was top notch & very professional & during that time I had no issues with the frame itself. But🤔 After about two years of riding it hard I found out that the kickback on the rear put a lot of stress on the Sram Xdrive and the end result was a broken Xdrive. I'm now riding a MEGATOWER that fits my riding style a lot more & which is tough as nails & I still have that Ican frame. I'm about to blow the dust off it a rebuild it as a lite xc bike & ride it on days when I'm not in the mood of sending it or go'n big. If you're looking into getting a low-cost Chinese carbon frame the only thing I can say is do your homework before you buy👍🏾
@Tkolbo_4 жыл бұрын
I had a tideace hardtail (same deal cheap Chinese carbon) that I rode hard and really put it through the ringer. It did amazing, 0 issues, sold it to a friend BC and it’s still going strong. Has several races under its belt. I also have a toseek Chinese carbon seatpost, saddle, stem, and bars on my fixed gear with 3000 miles on them and no sign of fatigue. Guess I trust the stuff, but I’m also a reckless guy at times hahaha
@Wellsart3 жыл бұрын
I think this is a good discussion and love the comments. I'm a elite XC racer from Vancouver BC and I ride three chinese carbon frames. Two are dual suspension and one cross bike. One is five years old and one three. All are still in excellent condition and take a beating on the famous north shore. Now I can tell you a different story about another purchase I made last year. It was a chinese trail bike frame 150mm rear travel. Had fun on it until it broke in two pieces and I was lucky to walk away. The company was on Aliexpress claiming there the biggest carbon frame builders. So yes you have to be very careful of the company you choose. Might be a good idea to avoid BXT almost killed me. Ican trifox are good my bikes I ride now are Ican and are super solid. Cheers! Seth
@rgmtb3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for you comment. I agree, you need to be careful with what you buy. So far this Trifox has been holding up pretty well so figures crossed ;-)
@XcTommy2 жыл бұрын
Dude u saved me. I’ve been looking in to ICANS XC full-sus frame. And I very close in buying it
@MissingLinkMTB4 жыл бұрын
Sweet looking frame. Quality control in consistency of the carbon in the frame would be my major concern, although most carbon frames from big manufacturers are made in China anyway. Next would be parts and availability. Do the swingarm pivots have bearings or bushings and can you order replacements? Last, does it come with a sheet telling you the sizes of parts you need, such as what bottom bracket fits or the correct length shock?
@RGCastro74 жыл бұрын
Good stuff, Gene! That does look like nice, and having someone you as a reference, potential buyers can have more peace of mind on spending money on their products.
@rgmtb4 жыл бұрын
That really was the goal. I realize everyone will have their own opinions on if buying this frame is a good idea, but if you do want to buy it you can at least learn about it from this video. Now I need to start working on getting parts HAHAHAHA!
@armentekerian55454 жыл бұрын
Looks like Scott Spark frame
@carloswithac4 жыл бұрын
I've ridden a Velobuild carbon fiber hardtail for the last two years. Have yet to have issues and I ride it fairly hard.
@WOLFTICKVIDEOS4 жыл бұрын
I think alot of people will just want to be able to say, my bike is carbon fiber. But the way I jump (actually I guess it's more about the landing) I would be curious how it would hold up. I have several budget forks from China that I have put through the ringer, and they are still going strong, so who knows.
@mtbboy19934 жыл бұрын
but the weight of the rider, and how many high frequency shatter it gets will place a role how a fork will fail, same with frames, or big repeated loads, landing smoothly on jumps won't always be what kills it, unless it's a huge mistake with the layup or huge void so frame snaps, or big holes in the legs or they use different material on the fork that is much weaker. I will never trust Copycat companies.
@WombatPage4 жыл бұрын
Great topic to tackle. We have all wondered.
@rgmtb3 жыл бұрын
I've started the build and enjoying the process! The frame seems pretty nice and I can't wait to get it on the trails! If you're interesting in learning more about Trifox, use the link below. Plus, save some cash using the code RGMTB when checking out! trifoxbike.com/?ref=ra5c3s4fyghk
@robertturnip78504 жыл бұрын
This is basically a copy of the Scott Spark.
@sdqsdq62743 жыл бұрын
whos know, maybe scott bought the frame from them , then they decided to release the frame
@marklouieadame2 жыл бұрын
We are just used to paying premium then it feels to good to be true once we get a hand of the product sold from direct manufacturer lol
@mikieson4 жыл бұрын
i dont even trust expensive carbon,much less cheap carbon. Having said that,I watch a channel where a guy has bought chinese wheels and frames before and he seems to like them just fine.He rides road so different beast all together..Nice looking frame though Gene.Look forward to the updates.
@mtbboy19934 жыл бұрын
if done right it can be great, but the problem is that most brands don't have proper quality control, and voids happen, things crack, and older bikes from 2010ish had worse layup, but things have improved, but still not aerospace level of quality control and manufacturing which is needed if you want it to be perfect. but an big disadvantage with carbon is that it can't be recycled.
@sdqsdq62743 жыл бұрын
same , i just dont trust carbon, uv sensitive as well
@markovrejic28782 жыл бұрын
U still have Trifox would you sell it ? i just broke my Bulls frame .......sad day
@rgmtb2 жыл бұрын
Not looking to sell. This has become my main bike right now and I'm fastest riding it. Great bike!
@lilyli27644 жыл бұрын
Great work, Thanks gene for the video
@shanehaws83032 жыл бұрын
Looking to build an xs carbon f/s bike for my 10 year old who is only 57lbs she want to race x/c races
@jeromep41483 жыл бұрын
When I was a young kid in the mid to late 60’s every one would say “made in Japan” - “has to be low quality”. Well, China was that way a decade ago. Folks, just about every CF frame built is coming from China. That is where the experience and expertise is today - period. Who is leading in modern geometry and design - and who owns the most progressive molds- that’s a bit of a different story. But don’t be fooled , the Chinese make the world’s best CF frames because they make all of them! Finally I once saw a broken Santa Cruz frame, oh and a broken Trek frame, oh and a bunch of taco’d expensive wheels. So what!! That happens to every manufacturer’s products everyday. So don’t tell me you saw a busted Chinese cf frame once.
@rgmtb3 жыл бұрын
Well said dude. I also very much agree with your point regarding design. It's not as much about making the frame as it is about the design being made. They only thing I worry about (and will only know with time) is if THIS FRAME is made with quality. So what I mean is not that a frame from China is made poorly, your point on this is spot on, but if this frame was made well. I think that might be what people are worried about. The quality checks might not be as high as with other name brands. Now that has zero to do wit the fact that the frame was made in China but that it was not made well. I'm hoping that this one was made well since I'm loving the bike so far and want to ride it for quite some time :-)
@jeromep41483 жыл бұрын
@@rgmtb I did an xc build this summer using a frame from Seraph. I have been using the bike regularly since then. It’s an xc bike with 100mm of travel. It’s a fantastic bike for the intended purpose an so far the frame is great. I also own a Canyon Strive - an equally fantastic bike for a totally different purpose. When you finish your build I believe you will think of bikes differently. On my build, the fork was the most expensive item followed by the drive train, then the wheels and tires. So based on money spent, my build is a SRAM bike. My Canyon is a SRAM bike too. So my new thinking on frames - that’s the piece that can be swapped out!! Building makes you thinks of bike a bit differently. I look forward to hearing more about your project.
@gildowney50643 жыл бұрын
The Chinese make everything. They have many great manufacturers that care about quality. They have a bunch of shady manufacturers too. If you can find the right ones, you’ll be okay. Got to avoid the stuff from Alibaba that 90% of Amazon 3rd sellers offer. DJI for example is a great Chinese company. I would buy a Chinese frame as long as I knew what I was getting and had protection ie paying through PayPal.
@ewan_young3 жыл бұрын
clearly a scott spark
@JIMWSMITH4 жыл бұрын
Interesting to follow this. I have looked at this and the içan p9 enduro frame. The frame you have is alittle dated in geometry, so will be interested to see how it fits and rides. A detailed build video would be nice to see if you run into any issues. Looking forward to the nxt video.🤙
@rgmtb4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I'll be working on getting parts :-)
@robertmilner8552 жыл бұрын
What size frame did you get and what size would you recommend for someone who is 6 foot 2 inches tall. Thanks
@rgmtb2 жыл бұрын
I got a med but for a 6/2 dude I'd go large
@brekobreko79453 жыл бұрын
Hello regular guy mountain biking, question regarding rear shock, can this frame accommodate a rear shock with a piggyback??
@gwynnlyell73384 жыл бұрын
With the exception of a handful of carbon frame manufacturers all carbon frame are made “overseas”. Trek, Specialized, Salsa, Scott etc let’s be real. The difference we bu6 from a dealer we know and can get warranty.
@Habaneroranger3 жыл бұрын
These carry a two year warranty. I believe the difference is potentially quality control
@BentSpokesMTB4 жыл бұрын
I hope you build this. I'd love your opinion on it after riding it
@bikerdhill4 жыл бұрын
wonder how the flex stays will hold up over time, and yeah it does look like a scott spark. Personally I wouldn't buy a chinese frame, will support my own country as much as humanly possible, but thats my opinion
@mtbboy19934 жыл бұрын
Good you don't over do it, and make it too hard for your self. one more reason people don't like to buy Chinese now is due to human rights abuses. but a lot of the stuff you buy is made in china, for example Poc boxer chamois, many frames, some are made in Taiwan, Indonesia, where a lot of clutching is also made. but just cus it is from china does not mean its junk, but a lot of the stuff from some think that. but also only buying from own country will be impossible or hard, if I did that in Norway I could barely buy anything, but here biggest business is oil, fish, wood, paper, so far only bike gear company I know of is Kindernay gear hubs, it's made in Europe, it 'also some sports custom wear stuff but I don't know where those are made. all Norwegian bike brands are mostly just using catalogue bikes, some are rebranded Rock Machine for example, I just buy what I need, get what I can at the time, I can't make things too hard for my self like some do.
@goku-qb1kv3 жыл бұрын
Can u change the hardtrail bike frame into full suspension frame? So the frame just switch
@rgmtb3 жыл бұрын
I don't think that's possible
@bustatron2 жыл бұрын
This video isn't very useful without the build! Finding the right shock, hardware and knowing if it rides alright would be useful.
@mtbgo78604 жыл бұрын
Send it to Hambini to get the frame X-Ray’d. It will definitely reveal the truth.... it’s crap.
@mtbboy19934 жыл бұрын
quite possibly, but a nice opportunity for collab, and get the truth out.
@LarryRichelli4 жыл бұрын
There are about 4 or 5 guys on youtube that bought this frame but not one of them has a video of them riding it or posted a review of how it rides...weird!
@AKay4tothe74 жыл бұрын
Their dropper seat post isn't a dropper seat post.
@rgmtb4 жыл бұрын
I'll be installing a dropper on here for sure!
@Alf-Garnish4 жыл бұрын
looks great. whats needed is a robust test, does it withstand jumps etc or does it break apart ?
@rgmtb4 жыл бұрын
Working on getting the parts now ;-)
@mmb40634 жыл бұрын
I would not like jumping any XC bike. Also if they are from a well known brand.
@charliemtbaustralia53084 жыл бұрын
Looks like some pretty nice frame
@Johnnydammit4 жыл бұрын
Over 3k for my Aurum HSP frame! Yea not cheap thats for sure!
@memememe8434 жыл бұрын
The geometry seems to be pretty XC. 68.5 head tube for example. I like this myself, but for those want slackness, this ain’t it. Looks fantastic though.
@rgmtb4 жыл бұрын
Yes I agree and really want to get this built up to test out a geo like this. My bikes are more on the slack side so this would be interesting to ride.
@Habaneroranger3 жыл бұрын
The Ican p9 is about 66 on the HA I believe but most of these frames have dated geo
@BrianVaughn4 жыл бұрын
I'm really curious how this works out.
@rgmtb4 жыл бұрын
I'm going to start working on sourcing parts for this bike.
@huskerfan33523 жыл бұрын
I trust it more now because this company is sending out there frames for review
@Jamesthebikeguy4 жыл бұрын
What is the built kit going to be?
@rgmtb4 жыл бұрын
I'm working on that now ;-)
@tomisaikkonen76154 жыл бұрын
If you put trunnion shox please tell me what size sleeve or bushings that need. I was get this standard mount harware and two bolts 10mm and the hole in the frame is 12mm
@Montblanc19864 жыл бұрын
I ordered a carbon seatpost for 35 bucks, lets hope it doesn't break...
@rgmtb4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure I would get a carbon seat post or handle bars. I'm still a little nervous about those. Just my 2 cents.
@masterplumber86104 жыл бұрын
my favorite review of this frame is the guy with a broken leg and swing arm all in the same 2' step down....It is the swing arm that worries me on downhill tech.
@rgmtb4 жыл бұрын
Looks like I'll be getting the parts together for this build so I'll have to go find a 2' drop to test this frame on ;-)
@tdaubner3 жыл бұрын
By the time your done building it the cost come out pretty high.
@rgmtb3 жыл бұрын
You are totally right! You don't build a mountain bike to save money HAHAHA! You build it for the fun of it or because you want it to be just the way you like. Heck, I would go as far as saying that I could be cheaper to buy a complete bike, sell the parts you don't want and buy the upgrades! Building your own bike from scratch is NOT CHEAP at all.
@thim80094 жыл бұрын
Have a shredder try it out at bike park then you will know
@KSIXRIDER4 жыл бұрын
Be cool if it could get x-rayed
@rgmtb4 жыл бұрын
I'm curious, what would you expect to learn from the x-ray? I'm not being a jerk, but asking what you would expect to learn? So, let's say I pulled some strings and made this happen, what would we get from it?
@KSIXRIDER4 жыл бұрын
@@rgmtb Looking to see if there are voids (air pockets) in the carbon. I see You Tubers like Hambini x ray the frames with some of the top brands having substandard composite layup. Letcher Teknik actually cuts the frames in half after destroyed and you can see the excess epoxy and voids. Canyon bike taut that they xray each carbon for quality control. I just thought it would be interesting since some 3k Euro frames are poorer quality than a 500 Euro frame under the x ray.
@sootrattlerolloff-road14153 жыл бұрын
See, this video is moot without it built and tested. As it is, you made a video about another cheap carbon frame...everyone goes out the other end none the wiser than they came in.
@AndreSilva-ef8bv4 жыл бұрын
😍😍
@mtbboy19934 жыл бұрын
would I buy this? no. I will stick with aluminium for several reasons, but also I want modern geometry, sizing, which many brands don't offer, but they are slowly catching up, I see specialized has definitely started to get closer with their enduro bikes. I love my Nicolai/Geometron G1. but only the shock cost amore than the frame here, but it's quality, strong aluminium 7020 T6, the frame has features that only few others have. is it overkill for most trails, yes for sure, but I think it makes sense for me and for what I ride, like being able to replace the threads in bash guide mount, the brake mount. the cable routing is external, and done well, I am not a fan of internal routing, on my bike you can swap the rear brake in 4 minutes, at least that's what Paul Aston did on his. but that's not something I would do, but great for testing brakes I guess. I am not a fan of carbon not being possible to recycled, I have a Carbon handlebar on my bike, but that was only by chance, it was just what I could get at the time, fast, but it held up well, but I rarely hit my handlebars and if I do it's the bar end plug. But there are so many decent bikes now, and even at lower price there will be more bikes I am sure, and I am sure there will be less mistakes and more nice features, and better geometry. so far the cheapest hardtail frame I found is Ragley mmmbop, head angle is slack at 63 deg, but the chainstay stays the same, and no size big enough for me, like with most brands, I need the largest or a larger frame tan they have to offer. but I hope this changes, it probably will.
@kangandres4 жыл бұрын
why wont you jump with it?
@rgmtb4 жыл бұрын
I guess it really is too early to say I should hold that comment back. I'm just to riding my slacker "Enduo" spec'd bikes so I just feel comfortable on them. Guess I just need to get my butt in gear and build this bike up!