should inventor users switch to fusion 360

[@stevebrown9549]

I find it incredible that any company would seek to force their paying customers into storing their intellectual property on someone else’s computer. Have people been dumbed down so much that a business who should be competing for customers can actually dictate to their customers that they must give up their products and designs for the “privilege” of using their products? Sheesh!

[@chrisose]

As has been discussed numerous times, while similar, Fusion and Inventor are for different but equally vital segments of the design and manufacturing world. A shift to a single cloud-based system would require the complete merger of the two platforms to a single environment. It would also have to take into consideration that not everyone works from a fixed office with high bandwidth internet access. I often use my computer in locations with spotty or no internet connection which would render a cloud-only system useless (a point Neil made in a previous video about Fusion when the AutoDesk servers went down). I agree that this will be a slow evolution from where we are now to where this proposed system wants to be.

[@otm646]

The cloud might work for the mom and pop business, but when you've got millions dollars of exposure to a single hack. Not to mention the needs of the Automotive OEs or Lockheed Martins, cloud based modeling is not the system they're going to accept. You might move to a centralized rendering environment on your network but that data isn't going outside under any circumstances.

[@LeeLloyd]

As someone who has used both Inventor and Fusion for years, I think you are really missing the main issue. As of right now, not 10 or 20 years from now, they have not only essentially abandoned Inventor, while regularly updating Fusion, but are now actively removing features from Inventor, and moving them over to Fusion (Moldflow as one example). It would be one thing if there were some attempt at feature parity, but every year Fusion gets more features that will never come to Inventor, and now they are actually taking things out of Inventor, and saying that if you want to use those features, you need to move to Fusion.

[@LeeLloyd]

@@JosephAmodeo-u2n The biggest one is moldflow simulation, but there are other small manufacturing features that have been moved entirely to Fusion.

[@ashreid20]

they need to have the ability for people in industry to run it locally. there are lots of data protection issues with cloud services. I think they will merge inventor and fusion over time, but with an ability to run locally. i think the thing they need to work out is how to enforce/maintain a subscription to a locally ran program. I should add.. i .. er know people.. who pirated inventor for years before fusion became a decent and affordable option. this is definitely on their and all software companies mind's

[@paadillaa]

From someone who lives in the third world I already have 2 ISPs with load balancer and struggles to stay online 24/7 cloud based services sounds like a pain in the a :/

[@jesscneal]

I don't think Autodesk gives a shit about their current customers either :D I use Advance Steel daily and the amount of problems and bugs in that software is mind boggling. I've had highly voted ideas submitted for it for literally 5 years and they are still not integrated. All they care about is Revit integration which literally no one uses. But I digress.... I'll die a slow death if they ever axe Inventor.

[@digitaldiorama]

Autodesk will have a migration strategy no doubt - but a lot of CAD managers won't want to be "migrated". There's an inherent risk to intellectual property that's stored on someone else's servers. Sony/Microsoft/Apple/Facebook- they've all been hacked. Some organisations like to have control over the security of their IP rather than trusting to 3rd party. Interesting times.

[@Neil3D]

We are talking super future here, in 20-30yrs time the cloud security protocols could be completely unrecognisable from what we have today which is what a lot of the responses usually are based on here, applying todays thinking to pass judgement on what might happen tomorrow. Alternatively, in 20-30yrs time the cloud could be even more volatile and vulnerable, hackers could have leveled up their gear by then and gone mega big dick damage mode on all cloud infrastructure, either way I prefer to not assume how things will be that far off as 15yrs ago we didnt have smart phones, so in 15-20yrs from now who knows what we'll have. Playing with ideas here, but when this comes out they might have a way to create separated cloud instances for each individual customer, with the customer being in control of the cloud instance but having an Autodesk "module" or something deployed into it, who knows.

[@agentcrm]

@@Neil3D 15 years ago we had smart phones. The first iPhone is nearly 16 years old and that was far from the first smart phone. Hackers will ALWAYS be ahead of companies, because security costs money. Money they do not want to spend. It has been shown countless times how insecure cloud is. How often cloud services are closed because a company closes them because they're not making enough money or users.

[@digitaldiorama]

@@Neil3D When you’ve got people creating VBA code/scripts for Excel by making a request to Chat GPT or even the code to create entire websites, I won’t even try to predict what’s going to happen in the next 20 months never mind years. When I look at the power of AI enhanced plugins for Revit like EvolveLAB, the mind boggles. If you combine the power of code generated by Chat GPT with the APIs of Inventor & Revit…. words fail me. I expect people are experimenting with this right now. Last person to leave, switch off the lights. No need - AI’s done it.

[@agentcrm]

We absolutely HATE cloud based software at work. We've been using Autocad LT since it's very early releases, if they force everything to the cloud we will be moving to a different brand of software. In the few year that I've been using inventor, the subscription has already cost us more than if we could have bought it outright and perpetual licences. Subscription services have negatively effected EVERY SINGLE LONG TERM USER. Not to mention, with all the hacking that is happening now. Cloud is not safe or secure.... Companies are going to cloud based because they can charge for more sub standard services!

[@rob3rt891]

I do find these sort of announcements from Autodesk frustrating. Mostly considering that the Inventor forums especially are rammed with requests for functionality to be added going back to 2008, rather than genuine productivity enhancements, things like dark themed UI are introduced. OK it's nice for some people it's not made modelling and producing drawings any faster.

[@passi2425]

Again, very good video! Each time, I got in contact with Autodesk, I'm asking for the strategy ;) and the answer is almost identical, you need to solve your problems today and use the software that fits best to your needs. In the past, I lost some of my mostly loved Autodesk products in just one release (Showcase, 3ds Interactive) and hopefully it will not happen to Inventor one day, but if I understand the strategy correct, Autodesk will try to solve different functions inside of the cloud (e.g. extrusions) and then use this feature webservice inside of all products. Extrusion in ACAD, Fusion and Inventor will work the same and the users will not really feel everything is merging together. And in a couple of years everyone will work with the same technology.

[@Bill-ff2tt]

I dont think they will take away inventor but does make sense that they would use fusion for there cloud based programs rather then inventor, have to say I do like the idea of having on file type for all software

[@WoodenWaresHandwork]

I agree with you that ultimately that Autodesk wishes to move to the cloud, but not for the reason of eliminating .exe or any file but for profit. The current speed of the internet especially in Australia having any 3d software running in the cloud would be aset back.

[@bradheadlam5035]

We're starting to utilise ACC for point cloud storage, scan to mesh data and some small Inventor assemblies and parts. Dipping the toe with Fusion randomly. Building the assets 👍

[@almerindaromeira8352]

I think the sensible approach is to be software agnostic. I mean, we all do it right now anyways. Do your clients work exclusively on Autodesk products? Of course not. Some use NX, others solidworks, others CATIA. And anyways, Autodesk is pushing the product design bundle really hard and if you are looking to buy now, you would be hard pressed to not get both fusion and inventor.

[@selimguclu625]

I definitely avoid cloud applications. First of all, internet speed is still a issue, I couldn't work from some points like I'll do now. As other mentioned, cloud means, anyone could have access. Working offline is still the future for me. So inventor and any non cloud based tool is my go to software.

[@Vakthund1]

I bought Inventor publisher 6 months before it was discontinued.. Learned showcase, then it was... you guessed it, -discontinued. So you have some valid points. What should we invest in. Even though I love Inventor, Autodesk is on thin ice. It will be quick to adapt to another software.

[@treyinok]

"should inventor users switch to fusion 360" Them's fighting words!!! 😆😆😆😆😆

[@Neil3D]

Its creative SEO!

[@KRIZINKGRIN]

No 🧐 inventor is more powerful than 360 everything doesn't hav to be cloudy 🤔 I don't use either but I hav used inventor before now using Rhino 7 thought 👊🏽🛡️

[@masha_kasha5061]

Problem with the idea on not being a customer if you bought a licence 5 or 10 years ago is flawed in all honesty. You wouldn't want BMW take your car away just because you didn't to buy a BMW every year. There are ways to get people who bought your software years ago to buy a new licence. One thing is bring in more features make the software better give incentives to customers to say you know what buying the upgrade package is worth the money. And in all honesty we haven't seen this whit inventor in years there is very little features that are brought in that are worth while for general engineering. Hell its been 15 years you still need to script or buy a plug in to get a complex surface projected for drafting. This one feature makes so much sense yet its not implemented. Some times I think inventor is abandonware. A cash cow to be milked dry

[@Neil3D]

Using the car analogy, I would still argue that BMW wouldnt consider you a customer and the same logic applies. Ironically I'm now stuck with a 14 year old BMW, and would never really consider myself a BMW customer now, and if the car was to die tomorrow I wouldnt expect any help from BMW... and I wouldnt really be surprised if they said they cant work on cars that old as the staff arent trained to do so and parts dont exist anymore. They wouldnt come and take it away though, Autodesk arent either, they're just choosing to not do anything if the hardware dies which is loosely relatable to the car situation. But, having said that, who would be the arbitrator of when that 'cut off' point is for something being too old, the analogy stops being relevant when you consider that third party garages could work on the car etc etc but on the flip side, people with those old licenses still get some level of support from Autodesk on the forums albeit that doesnt help with activations etc but the Autodesk support team dont ask for serial numbers or do any kind of validation before helping someone, the person theyre helping could even have a pirated license and they'll still mostly get a response on the forums. I dont think its up for debate that abandoning the perpetual support was a dick move from Autodesk, but from what I've heard and my perception of how it all panned out, the only people who really upset by it are the folk who had no intention of ever buying anything from Autodesk again. Everyone else basically took the L and pulled their pants down, which is all you could really do.

[@masha_kasha5061]

@@Neil3D to be fully honest I don't expect Autodesk to support the software for ever and I think its fair from autodesk side to not support the software after a some time especially if there are major shifts in the software industry like Windows releasing a new version example windows 12 or what ever. And let's be honest after 10 years like it or not you'd need to upgrade the software so more or less you be forced to buy a new licence. It might take you a bit longer to get back to Autodesk but considering the background of your employees I bet you'd stay with the software you know. But thats besides the point the main issue is that its not up to Autodesk if they sold you a licence to say its void after some time if the licence is permanent. As of support yes I agree with you you shouldn't expect the software to be supported forever. I know autodesk atm has no power to actually cut you off if you have local licence but this has happened whit other software companies thats what I kinda find it scummy just out of principle. One example that comes to mind is teamviewer and there perpetual licences The other gripe for me is really the lack of effort from autodesk to innovate with inventor and keep or even increase prices as time goes on. As for piracy they can easy address it now even with out the cloud being a thing. Just price your software according to the region your selling it. It works for steam and Microsoft why not for Autodesk. They were and some what still are on a good track with fusion on there pricing. Taking in to consideration the profits and use of the software. I commend them for it but I kinda think your never on the safe side since you never know when they might try to pull the rug under your feet.

[@otm646]

@@Neil3D you work in a very specific niche of industry so I don't expect you to know this but all of the critical manufacturing infrastructure still runs on DOS based software. The manufacturing industry demands 20+ years of hardware and software support. If you look at automation controls hardware it's even worse, these ancient but still effective AB and Siemens PLCs are absolutely everywhere. I realize in your modeling niche you don't see the need or customer push for long term product support and stability, however that's a massive driving factor with some of their largest customers. CAD software doesn't get a free pass just because it's not directly touching. These are generational organizational mindsets you're dealing with here.

[@FliesEyes]

Do you have a new lighting set-up?

[@nine0ten771]

It seems to me that Inventor & Fusion are complementary to each other, depending on your company needs.

[@pedroluissomohanolopez9376]

Totally agree with you here

[@VictorDeLeon-rw2du]

I am young and will say I have rather enjoyed inventor and I am certified, but I wish to adapt to my circumstances which has made Inventor no longer an option so I will learn Fusion360

[@Rimrock300]

I first learned Inventor and used in the past at a company. I also had a student version, full version, for 3 years at home. At a point I wanted to start out on my own, and I had to purchase Inventor or fusion.I did wonder if Fusion was good enough for my need, but turned out the be great. And Inventor was not really an option with that much higher cost. I find Fusion much easier and userfriendly, and I got rid of 99% of the error messages that kept on turing up at Inventor. Even if could get Inventor at the same price as Fusion, I would not gone for it. My design complexity is well withi the limits of fusion

[@evilpanky]

"Devil's Avocado" 😂 hahaha!

[@FliesEyes]

Instead of writing new applications, it would be far easier to run existing applications on remote/centralised hardware.

[@Scuderia_Fan]

Autodesk is slowly pushing users away from Inventor. The basic functionality gets more and more unstable. Sketch dimensions randomly flip directions. If a sketch contains more than 1 profile, there is a big chance the feature will at some point add or remove one of them. Our reseller advised against project geometry as those will break easily, even when there's just a length update. All core features that just are no longer reliable, and Autodesk knows about those issues, but they just don't do anything about it. For instance, the flipping of sketch dimensions has been a known issue for years now. Looking at Fusion, that software gets updates on a monthly basis, Inventor gets 2 in a year... Don't get me wrong, I loved working with Inventor, but the software either needs to be built up from scratch, or Fusion should be upgraded to Inventor level functionality.

[@Scuderia_Fan]

@Marc Goozen Yes, it is about parametric modelling. It used to be great, but we discover more and more issues with sketches and features just because of the fact we are using the parametric functions. Models that used to be stable now go into failed features. We first thought it was down to our ilogic rules driving them, but it turned out to be dimensions flipping sides after parametric changes. The same goes for the selected profiles. After many days spend figurine out things around trying different work arounds we contacted our reseller. He confirmed that there were know issues at Autodesk for some years already.

[@harindugamlath]

Another thing that got neglected is inventor cam/hsm. They don't care about others anymore. If you're not familiar look at what they did to Eagle PCB. Bought the company, swiftly integrated it with fusion. Everything great about it was gone in the drain. Almost everyone quit using it. They just don't care about the users.

[@James-e5r9d]

having both, all i can think is that i wish they would fire whoever is in charge at fusion. fusion is a nightmare as pro cad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@robertswilson3483]

ITAR/EAR will cause problems. Will prob force me to Creo

[@2fast4ulsr]

Fusion render should be implemented into Inventor

[@sstevenson638]

A cloud based world is a software developers fantasy land. They drank the kool-aid given to them by those selling cloud based solutions. From a security standpoint, there are a lot of classified projects where secrecy and security trump everything else. Companies manage these by keeping them on their own private network completely disconnected from the internet and other outside computers. I'm sure you could setup and administer a private cloud for these tools, but at what cost? That sounds way too expensive for smaller projects. From a performance standpoint, High Performance Computing (HPC) analysis applications requires fast local access to GB and TB of data, often highly classified. This data needs to be on local hard drives to minimize latency and transfer rates. Given that most software development education today focuses almost exclusively on cloud and internet based programming, I doubt they have little exposure to these types of environments nor any clue about these real world considerations.

[@LeeLloyd]

I suspect you are forgetting that before desktop PC 3D accelerator cards were a thing, all classified work was done on workstations connected to mainframes. I have no doubt that in the case of a defense contractor with deep pockets, Autodesk would be more than happy to offer a turnkey datacenter solution, that gives an enterprise their own private instance of the cloud services. It's just a mainframe by another name, and the same business model as Sun, HP, Evans & Sutherland, and SGI had in the bad old days before the PC Revolution. In fact, I would argue that is the end goal of all these companies pushing cloud software as service. They want to go back to the mainframe days of selling giant enterprise-wide managed solutions as their main profit center, while milking the little guy for every penny of monthly recurring revenue they can squeeze out of them, to smooth out their financials between those big data center contracts.

[@harindugamlath]

They just flipped the switch on Eagle. Downright destroyed it.

[@jay-by1se]

The cloud it's truly terrible. I do love the file formatting of cloud but it's a nightmare for security and if you lost internet your totally out of cad. Fusion is so frustrating as a real company.

[@Rimrock300]

One can always have a local backup of files one can't live without, so to say. In general most average companies, and certainly most one man companies with their home coumputer, server, are not able to keep ther stuff more secure than stuff on the Autodesk servers, more proffesional IT personal, and dollars, aviable. I first learned Inventor and worked with it in past at a company. As I later started out for myself I turned to Fusion, and never looked back. It was fantastic to not have to think about Autodesk Vault, check files in and out, and getting rid of 99% of 'error messages' from Inventor, often resulting in it to shut down and data lost. This said, I do not work with very complex designs, they are well within the limits of Fusion

[@sqwert654]

Fusion360 price is now way too much and they have removed features to "improve the user experience ", which you know have to pay extra for.

[@Adrian-sd8ck]

FreeCad is the best 👍👍👍

[@craigphillips9810]

Maybe we will have to go back to pen and paper for anything we want kept away from other competitors eyes.

[@cyranova9627]

I was make my own machine in fusion . suddenly they updating when subscriber suddenly appear. that 10 editable object. some my item lost even I looking in the archive. it just total gone. cant find my item. I just head to website crack those goddam Autodesk inventor. I want full control all my file in my pc. AVOID FUSION 360

[@Rimrock300]

One can also save designs locally with Fusion. I first started out with Inventor, 3 years free student version. Now I am with Fusion, never looked back. Naturally money got something into this, but I find inventor much easier, more modern and stable tool

[@thealchemist5376]

F%!# no!

[@WindTechInsights]

no way to switch to conFusion360

[@SomeTechGuy666]

They should switch to FreeCAD.

[@ELMANTEC]

That click bait title........ :@ All I Understood from this video is: "bla bla bla give your money to Autodesk". I used to like this guy :/