Should JAMAICANS GO TO CARIBANA ?

[@truthteller816]

LISTEN to me star 🌟, when I was going to Caribana back in the days, the Jamaican 🇯🇲 float MASHUP DI PLACE❣️ Trust me, people swarmed around the Jamaican float because most people prefer dancehall over soca music 🎶 sorry not sorry. People are mad because without trying, Jamaica 🇯🇲 effortlessly steals the show EVERY TIME‼️ Dem too bad mind and jealous 😒 talk bout no dancehall music in Caribana. I've stopped 🛑 going to Caribana for about 10 years now because it hasnt been the same since they've tried to white wash it and watered it down. But again, the late 90s to the early and mid 2000s was the HEIGHT of Caribana, when BET and American artists and athletes used to attend the parade; it was fire 🔥. Those days, Jamaica's 🇯🇲 biggest sounds like Stone Love would come up and represent and SHUT IT DOWN ‼️ If yuh know, yuh KNOW 😉

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

That’s what my mom and bare ppl said in the comments too 🇯🇲🔥

[@warrior9923]

💯💯💯💯

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

Fck you Ima talk about the 50 PPL SHOT IN CANADA, u thought u did something just now didn’t u 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 a next small islander upset 😢 go have your carnival on your island with 6 ppl don’t have it in a place where there’s more 🇯🇲 than others u fckin idiot

[@islandgirl3330]

They never had a lot of Jamaican bands. The Jamaicans are the ones who jumped up to reggae. I played for a few years since it's inception in 1967, and also volunteered many times. I don't know what this rivalry problem is all about. It is either immaturity or a sense of insecurity in people. They are two different islands with two different cultures. I have been to Jamaica a few times and the people and lifestyle are different. Do you know that there are now 15,000 Jamaicans living in Trinidad? There are about 2,328 Trinidadians now living in Jamaica and I am sure they are the more professional ones. It is so stupid about who is better. The argument serves no personal benefits to anyone's personal life. Would I live in Jamaica? No, because I grew up in Trinidad and prefer my island and my lifestyle there.

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

@@islandgirl3330 so wtf is your point 😂 your whole statement sounds terribly bodmind

[@ClassicRuby]

This is NOT carnival. Its CARIB -ana. So if there isn't a celebration of celebration of all Caribbean music then it ain't Caribana. Its pure idiocy to say Jamaican music should be banned from Caribana when 30- 40 years ago it was the Jamaicans advocating for EVERY type of Caribbean music to get representation at the parade, despite the fact that there was only a tiny amount of other islands here representing at all... and let's be real, a LOT of folks used to pretend they were Jamaican when they weren't. I've never heard such nonsense in all of my life. Im Jamaican. I go dont feel right unless i get to hear my certain soca songs at Caribana. I don't feel right if i don't get to hear my steel pan. And i don't feel right unless i get to hear my oldie but goodie dancehall. Only black people go out of our way to create divisions over the ONE damn thing we get to have that's for US here. Smdh. I repeat, this is NOT carnival. This is CARIBana. To celebrate ALL A WE music. Smdh. Young folk. Do not allow this division or they'll just shut it down all together. Smdh.

[@charmaineassing421]

FACTS!

[@thespraypainter2321]

Am Lucian, Caribana is for everyone from the Caribbean...so let the Jamaicans have their truck with reggae music...mi personal don't have a problem wit that...we are all Islanders...stop single out peoples...we are one BLK family...this is how i knew it to be back then...this internet bullshit been fucking up ttings lately...on which island you from or whatnot...we all one family yoooo!!!! Peace and light 👊🏽

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

@@thespraypainter2321 one love ❤️‍🔥

[@toronto1live242]

Realest comment I’ve read on this subject. 💯👊🏿 We were on the Guinness Truck.. The Dj’s played both dancehall n Soca… The crowd Loved both. We can’t let a few ruin the harmony most fulljoy. Raspect to @talkdatingz for bringing it up though. 👊🏿 Needed to be discussed further

[@lemauntory2951]

As a Jamaican myself, I really don’t care if it’s more soca or dancehall is playing. As long as ass is shaking and I’m catching my one two bubble, I’m gov

[@dawkins2101]

Everyone knows the Jamaican truck has been the best truck since the 90s😂

[@sleeprightkeepright]

Big up Trinidad 🇹🇹. Unity to all Caribbean Islands ❤

[@user-io1nx9jx4i]

Carabana was founded by Trini people and small island people. Its soca and calypso season nothing wrong with a sprinkle of reggae and dancehall

[@rulz2663]

Caribana ain’t been the same for over a decade plus.

[@Gt_Vibes445]

Caribana is for the entire Caribbean community in Toronto I think everything should be represented from the region from Soca, Reggae, dancehall, Chutney and Calypso. Big up the entire West Indies region 🇬🇾🇧🇸🇧🇧🇧🇿🇬🇩🇯🇲🇬🇫🇱🇨🇰🇳🇻🇮🇹🇹🇸🇷🇻🇨🇬🇵🇦🇬🇭🇹

[@elikyaa]

40% of the black population in the GTA is of Jamaican descent. Even if carnival is traditionally exclusively soca, in a city like Toronto that would never make sense. When people are going to Caribana, they’re going to celebrate Caribbean culture and that includes Jamaica.

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

Well said my friend

[@teanns.7819]

Exactly!!!!!!! Caribana is for the Caribbean dispora which includes Jamaica and there music

[@TashabyNature]

I’m Jamaican and I love soca music as long as the beat is 🔥

[@LuckyAtom-dx5yf]

People need to understand The African music you hear is not Afrobeats , It's Afro fusion , Which is majority of its roots is Dancehall , Reggae , and Hip hop , Afro Beats gets its roots from Traditional and Jazz and funk. Jamaica is a Powerful nation , and many people fear that

[@carlisafram5977]

As a person that's been involved in caribana since the late 90s, (I play pan) all I could say is that there's alot to unpack in this subject matter & that ain't even the half of it.

[@mikeyjames]

It’s because we don’t do soca and that’s the sound of carnival but how many people actually know the true history of carnival ? 🤔 they’re so caught up in the musical aspect but do they really know the history of carnival ? many young people don’t actually know the history of carnival especially the one’s born here. Carnival is more than just a street party. It was started by African slaves in the Caribbean. Any island that have people of African origins celebrated emancipation on the same day and that’s where canival came from.. Indian carribean people started taking part in it as time went by but carnival was started by African slaves. Do your research and you’ll find that out. It’s not just about pretty colours, jamming on a ting and drinking. There’s deep history behind carnival.

[@NerosVision]

That part!

[@LuckyAtom-dx5yf]

Tell that to ladies , who truly go their to skin out and drunk , they don't give rats about the history. The men go there to idle and look Cat.

[@Darrytheprince]

Generally speaking if your island has no French history, it's not carnival. It's a summer festival. Carnival in the Caribbean dates back hundreds of years before emancipation and was exclusive to the French islands. It wasn't a "African" thing but "African French slaves" thing. As carnival became more popular and marketable, you saw many islands with no French history doing their own carnivals. But many are technically not carnival but "summer festivals".

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

@Darrytheprince so by your point then caribana is a summer festival and dancehall should play ?

[@slystally9874]

I see your point but I wish to have Diaspora type and play it all: Soca, dancehall, reggae and Afro beats. We shouldn't be competing

[@RoseGolden0]

Afrobeats should NEVER be played anywhere in any West Indian party or carnival. Them chune dey is not for we. Beats cool but half the time no one understands it lol

[@Alexis-ln2hp]

I totally agree...

[@jennalud4748]

The beats cool cause they use Jamaican and Caribbean beats! They should keep their music for themselves on their own day! No afrobeat here!

[@rhuggins2649]

@@jennalud4748 You mean the other way around… Caribbean beat derived from the African beats. This is in our history books.

[@meloncoly3999]

Am from jamaica and i luv soca music. I dont want no dancehall music when a carnival. Just saying different vibes

[@nikkisweetz4655]

I swear caribana is more for trini’s vincy ,. Lucian’s etc .. I honestly don’t think it’s for Jamaicans at all in my opinion 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

In a way yea

[@SlimeNews]

If u don't think Caribana is for Jamaicans, then that tells me u are a rookie to Toronto and Caribana

[@nikkisweetz4655]

@@SlimeNews I am not a rookie but I am definitely stating my opinion wether u like it or not 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@SlimeNews]

@@nikkisweetz4655 so did i😂😂

[@NerosVision]

Well the concept started in Trinidad 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@LavenderSmile101]

I was around in the early days of caribana Jamaicans where there every island should be in it

[@LuckyAtom-dx5yf]

Because Jamaicans are Powerful People

[@natasha8928]

Ok. So when Caribana began it was made as an extension of Trini Carnival. Carnival is based on soca. calyso. pan. Mas. Jouvert. Camboulay. During that time we cant even play hip hop. Now when Caribana started there was Jamaica Day on the same weekend. When that diminished Yardies started attending Caribana more. I think not having dancehall at Caribana is being interpreted as hate. But no there is an actual history to the carnival soca culture. Its the same as if Soca based countries would want Soca Artist at a concious reggae festival. Im sure yardies would say even no way…we cant even bring a Bounty there. Its just not what we do. So we are saying to respect the history of the soca culture with love. And def go to Trini or Bajan etc Carnival at least once to understand it. I had Haitian friends go and when they came back they didnt even care for Caribana (they were die hard) bc they now understood the culture behind it.

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

Lmk where your from and what you think 🇯🇲🇹🇹🇬🇩🇧🇧🇬🇾🇭🇹🇩🇲🇱🇨🇰🇳🇧🇸⬇️

[@jahmowelch2231]

😎Born and raised in Scarborough, I went to West Hill collegiate.You know Grimz! Caribana or Carnival or whatever they call it now.Is literally a shadow of what it use to be.Now a real joke ting💯 Jamaicans are this, Jamaicans are that.Ask the same person around Christmas time.What are you doing for the holidays? Going to Jamaica for two weeks🤷🏾‍♂️✊🏾🇯🇲🇨🇦

[@rasheedabowers7598]

🇨🇦 Born & raised in Toronto (Scarb) by Kittitian/Nevisian 🇰🇳 parents/ family! I stopped attending Caribana since older childhood ... My dad when he 1st came to Canada used to be big up in planning & helping but now it's so commercial and far removed from it's original design so I don't business with the whole ting now!

[@1KnattyDread]

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[@NerosVision]

@@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK this subject gna bother a lot of Trini people. Me personally I listen to more dancehall than anything but carnival time I wanna hear soca. You won't see me get on foolish or speak negatively because dancehall is being played because it's still Caribbean music. If I hear some Taylor Swift we gna have a problem. Other than that we all from the same place big island or small. We produce the same people. So realistically who the fuck cares!?

[@Babbzy]

I think this was a good attempt to address this topic. However, there is a significant part of the history that maybe you should take a deep dive on to understand. Soca playing at Carnivals goes against the reason for the Carnival in the first place. Soca doesn't play in many huge Jamaican events in the diaspora. Grooving in the Park is a huge show in NYC that is for reggae and dancehall. NYC has thousands of Caribbean people who aren't Jamaican, yet you will not hear Soca at those events. Sting, Sumfest, Rebel Salute, Unruly Fest don't play Soca. The issue isn't that Jamaicans aren't welcome. They are and always have been even though they made Jambana to separate themselves and pretty much even compete with Caribana. The issue is that there's a deep history that ties Soca and Carnivals in the Caribbean together and Caribbean people don't want that to be lost. So people aren't Anti Jamaican at Caribana. They are Pro Soca Carnivals. Lol. The location and number of Jamaicans in the eyes of the culture doesn't matter. The reason ALLLLL the islands play reggae and dancehall is because it's Caribbean music and the islands support their own music. It just may look confusing through the eyes of many Jamaicans because many Jamaicans don't even support reggae and dancehall. The islands view the music from an inclusive standpoint. And like you said in the video, because alot of Jamaicans don't support outside of Jamaica, it would seem confusing. It's a support thing, that's all.

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

I understand what your saying but why would reggae sumfest , rebel salute or unruly fest play soca when there Jamaican festivals in Jamaica ran by Jamaicans . Unlike caribana where there celebrating the whole Caribbean. those concerts u just listed aren’t marketed towards other islands there Jamaican events . So I can’t see that comparison

[@islandgirl3330]

I don't know how old you are, but Caribana was the name given to the Toronto carnival when it started in 1967 by mostly Trinidadians. The committee lost out because of funding and we still use the name because they have changed the name several times. Carnival started in Trinidad in the 1800s with calypso music and steelband. Reggae is not played in Trinidad for carnival, but it is played at other times. It is not our culture. So don't expect us to dance down the street with reggae music. So if there were only JA bands, I would not participate. All the costumes that are worn would be the carnival costumes. You can have JA bands with the Jamaican people dancing. No one should object to that. Maybe a Jamaican band should let people know it is a Jamaican band. This problem started since in the early 1970s. You probably weren't born yet, but I was part of the first Caribana parade which went down Yonge Street, then City Hall, and then we went over to the island and jumped up on the stage there. Of course, there was a very small mixed West Indian population here then. A lot of people used to come from the U.S. Jamaica only got carnival in recent years when Byron Lee introduced carnival to the island. Caribana is documented on the internet for you to read the history.

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

Everything u said I said , no one expects reggae to play over soca at carnival ! Pls stop being small minded

[@tla0324]

This is Toronto tho, the Caribbean community mixed up here and Jamaicans are intrical out here. culturally Caribbeans have much more in common with each other it's frankly odd to even discuss excluding them.

[@LuckyAtom-dx5yf]

No one is denying this , it's obviously that this is not a Jamaican thing , but you elders did not keep it exclusively a Trini thing Jamaica we had our thing going on , but remember in Canada The Pale sees us all the same

[@LuckyAtom-dx5yf]

Just remember it's Jamaica that put the Carribean on the Map , I'll even give Haiti their props too. Alot of small islanders are too arrogant to admit this

[@tla0324]

@@LuckyAtom-dx5yf I will say growing up in Sauga most people assume once you are black that you are Jamaican 😂. Putting on the Map is a bit of a reach. On that Map to people who never leave the place they are born perhaps.... but anyone with half a brain cell knows about the Caribbean and would know Jamacia is definitely not the only place worth mentioning. If you wanna take credit for educating bums on the street who never passed geography I guess you can have that.

[@mscardioqueen]

I stopped going to Caribana years ago when the organizers stopped the Jamaican float and allowed the gay float. They hate us anyway. The only time they don't hate us is when we are winning medals in the Olympics and all of sudden it's Caribbean wins. Whatever! They can have it. Don't care!

[@jaespinnaz]

Facts💯🇯🇲

[@ra-neter6662]

They did this

[@LuckyAtom-dx5yf]

Every Jamaican should like this post , big up all Jamaican !!!

[@ra-neter6662]

@@LuckyAtom-dx5yf they did this?

[@LuckyAtom-dx5yf]

Yes for many years they took out the Jamaica Float/Truck , because many people where gravitating to Jamaica Music.

[@tim6it989]

I grew up knowing Jamaicans not liking soca music so for me im like yeah leave them out however it is weird not seeing Jamaicans a part of carnival. Yall are Caribbean and contributed so much to the Caribbean and world so link as one 🇬🇩🇯🇲

[@Purplegorillaz]

I feel like what make Caribana Special in Toronto is that it's a Celebration of all The Caribbean Countries, unlike if you go to Trinidad or Jamaica where they only playing Raggae/Dancehall or Soca/Chutney Music..Caribana a mix of all Island Music..But Afrobeat should not be played at Caribana..And the thing with Afrobeats they using The Dancehall Riddems or sound like Riddem..Its not like when you go to a Afrobeats jam they ain't playing Soca or Dancehall, so it only right..But Caribana should be all Caribbean Island Music..Raggae/Dancehall/Soca/Chutney Music only.. Purple Gorillaz Was Here. Peace.

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

🔥well said my bro

[@RoseGolden0]

I’m in my 30s and I’m old enough to remember that Jamaicans use to cuss and clown Caribana and soca calling it a bag of noise and nothing but jump up and calling soca shit music. They all had their own thing on that Caribana weekend to separate themselves from Caribana. YALL never use to claim or care for carnival/bana until it became cool. There was a handful that respect the mas/culture but the vast majority don’t rate soca or bana period. Mans went down for gyal and gyal went to pree and skin out give man. It’s the honest truth. From the comments alone under this video shows how nuff Jamaicans don’t care for the rest of the islands or the culture. If people don’t want to hear dancehall at bana or fetes then so be it. Don’t come under my comment vex. My husband is Jamaican lol, I love allyuh but sometimes yall can be too aggravating

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

I’m sorry but 90% of the city said we made it fun / cool as u said so idk 🤷🏾‍♂️ & lol we aggravate the entire Caribbean by just existing 😂😂 your comment proves it

[@RoseGolden0]

@@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORKnah man.. just let us “small island” people have something. Lol. Seriously it’s one weekend out of the whole year. Let we hear we soca!

[@LuckyAtom-dx5yf]

You guys have always hated on Jamaicans too , and trust me , Nuff Island girl love Jamaican , It's no surprise lol

[@jennalud4748]

Of course your husband is Jamaican....😅😅😅🇯🇲

[@jennalud4748]

​@@RoseGolden0I mean I kind of agree because you guys don't have much, Jamaica is world wide and the standard, but Toronto Caribana, that's going to be very hard! But I do think the little islands should have a day or two....

[@tla0324]

I agree fully. SHOUT OUT TO JAMAICANS ESPECIALLY JAMAICANS IN TORONTO/GTA!! ALL caribbean music is welcome and expected at Caribana. i don't know why anyone would say these divisive things. There has always been a Jamaican float it's just another part of the whole celebration!! as a afro-guyanese i would be outraged if it wasn't included. Dancehall is so loved in the city why wouldn't it be played even a little at a caribbean parade. Ive always know the focus is more soca but i never looked at it as a rule to not include dancehall. i always hear a little dancehall at the parade lol why is this even a thought. it blends in perfectly with the whole vibe WHO IS SAYING THIS SH1T???? smh a SERIOUSLY WHO IS SAYING THESE THINGS. Big up reggae and dancehall any caribbean people trying to outcast our Jamaican brothers and sisters need to guh longgg

[@BLUEBELLE7599]

I'm Jamaican and Guyanese and I love Carnival and most of my Jamaican friends love it also..maybe it's the older Jamaican who don't like the music..😊

[@AllyXoxo]

🥂🥂 to my fellow Jamaican Guyanese

[@BLUEBELLE7599]

@AllyXoxo Sis there's alot of us..lol 🥰

[@turbobmw6875]

Banna is for all Caribbean, dancehall is considered carribean

[@LuckyAtom-dx5yf]

These small islands have always been jealous of Jamaicans , and Jamaica's On going And Eternal Legacy. But Jamaicans should just leggo off Bana , we go there for the Chun Chun nothing else

[@One_Black_Panther]

Most people dont know the real history of carnival in the first place. Caribana is not a real representation of carnival like how it is back in those islands. This is what Toronto offers...is not the authentic carnival the woman is trying to talk about.. if she wants that unfortunately shes better off going to the islands to celebrate. Most epple from those Caribbean islands go home to their own carnivals to experience the realness of the culture

[@Ashleyunfiltered]

There was a Filipina girl blasted on a Caribanna truck (photo printed)…. Nuff said. Caribanna is not even the same it’s a money grab

[@ڈتےع]

Afro beats, dont need to be played at Caribbana... Caribbana is a vibe, its a Caribbean vibe❤

[@TheJuwile]

Jamaica Carnival is getting bigger annually and Jamaica has fully embraced Carnival culture; sure dancehall will never be eliminated from jamaica carnival but it is very limited. Carnival and soca music in Jamaica is mostly a uptown ting but soca parties are happening everywhere in Jamaica.

[@Badfiyears]

Where u call everywhere Kingston ?

[@LuckyAtom-dx5yf]

Because Trinidadians big up dancehall, and many live in Jamaica , So Jamaica as the loving people we are , show love and manners , if you big we up , we are gonna big u up simple

[@Alexis-ln2hp]

Look, I've been to going to Caribana since I was in diapers in the early 80s when it was held on University Ave, and it was much smaller. Anyway, there was never any dance hall and reggae played at Caribana in the 80s. I would say mid 90s is when they started incorporating dance hall and reggae as the genre got more attention in the 90s , i.e., Shabba Ranks, Supa Cat, etc....and the Jamaican community is large in Toronto and they are of course part of the Caribbean community. They had their own truck. That truck came always close to the end of the parade, and ppl would go off. I waited for that truck to come. They should be in Caribana and anyone saying otherwise are younger "kids"that are now getting involved with the parade. Me that's been going forever, and Iplayed mas several times I'm 47 and I went when I was 3, never ever said" oh reggae don't belong and ray Tay Tay. .we are all Caribbean and all forms of Caribbean music Soca, Reggae, belong; mind you they use to have a hip hop truck as well. The Americans appreciated that representation. You guys stop this stupid division, reggae, dancehall also belong. They've been involved in Caribana before some of you were even born or started going. It's sad that Caribana is not the same as it was before. Anyway, my point is dancehall belongs there as much as Soca. We have a large Jamaican community, and it makes sense that they are part of it. Fyi.. Afro beats should not be in Caribana. I can't understand that ish...and Guyana is not an island. it's in mainland South America 🇨🇦🇬🇾

[@jessshane6665]

Trinis love dancehall and reggae music, however, there’s a time and place for everything, during carnival in February & Caribana we want to hear soca and soca only! I don’t care if most Jamaicans don’t like soca, we LOVE it and we will continue to love allyuh music too.

[@mishiebless8727]

🇹🇹💙 🇯🇲 1💜 play the dance hall and play the calypso💃🏽 we are 1 nation with many beautiful sounds. Respect

[@jennalud4748]

It should be equal though.. half and half dancehall and Soca for Toronto Caribana! If not I just don't go, I can't stand Soca...like I don't like it at all! But of course in Trinidad and all the other little Islands, they should play strictly Soca. It's their music, their country! But as for Afrobeats....NEVER! That is for Africans..they should play their own music for their day! Caribbean music only for Caribana!!!🇯🇲

[@RoseGolden0]

I highly rate your videos and watch every time you drop. No beef ting over bana. End of the day it’s love.. Just let us small island ppl have our weekend! lol 🙏🏾 ❤

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

I understand that and thanks 🙏🏾 but where u keep going wrong is thinking we wanna take your weekend away from you 😂

[@jahmikeobrien]

🇩🇲🇩🇲👂🏾👂🏾👂🏾👂🏾👀 the division is real!! Im a toronto original Just gonna say this the only time some people listen to soca is caribana reaggea music play 24/7 in toronto we should enjoy the culture And this why we as black people are DIVIDED

[@DatriniThug]

Im trini and I think the music of the carnival should reflect the city so if there is a sizeable portion of jamaicans play the dancehall

[@lionslove779]

Carnival is for Soca steam pan only

[@flatline4ever]

I respect people’s opinions but for the most part, there’s a lot of ignorance within these comments…. 1. Stop Dividing each other. 2. Dancehall has a place at Caribana. 3. Jamaicans should support the Jamaican Float Properly (purchasing costumes). There is a full Jamaican band with costumes and hardly anybody supports it. If you want to be part of it, RESPECT THE MAS!!! Simple. That’s the where part of the “problem” stems from. Not solely about Music. 4. Jamaica Carnival is CRAZZZZYYYYY!!!! If you haven’t been, I would suggest going before passing judgment. Btw, The rich people in Jamaica LOVE SOCA!!! All the events are always sold out. It’s the perfect blend of Soca and Dancehall. I’ve been going for 5 years straight minus the Pandemic.

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

Glad your experience was 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@andremurray47]

Sorry to tell you this, but dressing for mas is not a Jamaican culture either. I am one who believe that Soca should be for Carnival. Dancehall is for Dancehall. And I am a big fan of all genres of Caribbean music.

[@flatline4ever]

⁠​⁠@@andremurray47That’s my point lol. They SHOULD embrace the culture and wear a costume and celebrate instead of thinking it’s just a big Street Party lol. Freedom Mas Band tries to fuse both cultures together by having costumes but also only playing Dancehall which in my opinion is fine. But she hardly gets support from “Jamaicans” when they arguably make up the most percent of the Caribbean diaspora in Toronto. If you want to follow behind the truck/float, Put on a costume and support the Mas the real way. If not, stay on the outside and let masqueraders enjoy themselves and their hard earned money. That all I’m saying. Nobody for the most part has a problem with the music.

[@andremurray47]

@@flatline4ever Well, in New York the reggae truck goes at the end of the event. But it was Haitians refusal to get in mas that destroyed New York City carnival. They wouldn't get in mas but were always mixing with revelers in mas. Now with inflation and the mess on the Parkway, people stop going.

[@LuckyAtom-dx5yf]

I agree with your statement, that's why I said earlier Jamaicans , My country men need to leggo from Bana

[@imablazeuonfiya]

In my opinion, Caribana is for small island people. They say it's for everyone but it's really not hence the outrage when Dancehall is played.

[@Darrytheprince]

Reggaefests are for everyone too. But you dont go to reggae fest to hear hip hop. 'For everyone' means its _for everyone_ to come and enjoy. That being said a little dancehall is no big deal especially towards the end.

[@zandolee4907]

Carnival is a completion where the best looking masqueraders dancing to the best music for their band theme wins the big prize. The carnival committee reserve the right to disallow any group that is not in compliance with the rules that govern the Toronto Carnival. Usually the big bands with the pretty mas playing soca are the top 3 bands every year. Carnival.

[@breadandcircus2012]

What I like about Caribana/Toronto Carnival is the inclusivity. It's a time for everybody in the Caribbean diaspora to shine. Soca, Calypso, Reggae, Dancehall, it's all good to me!

[@FineNaturalHairROCKS]

It's called Caribana because that was the original name before Scotiabank took it over and lost the legal rights to use the original name "Caribana" so they changed the name to "Toronto Caribbean Carnival" to avoid infringing the original founder's trademark. P.S. I'm not sure why they removed the Jamaican float. It used to be sooo GOOOOOD! I'm not Jamaican but that's foolishness. On another note, I need to know why we aren't hearing Haitian music at Caribana. Haiti is in the Caribbean as well. Where is the zouk and konpa beyond 1-2 songs!? Also, the Vincy flag is missing @grimztvnetwork 🇻🇨 🇻🇨 🇻🇨 🇻🇨 🇻🇨 🇻🇨 🇻🇨 🇻🇨 🇻🇨 🇻🇨 🇻🇨

[@Mike_Santana]

They removed the Jamaica float because they are haters.

[@jennalud4748]

Haitian music I don't know! Haiti is Hispaniola, and they should have their own day! They are located in the Caribbean but do we really treat them like one of us? Their language is different, culture, music, food, everything! We have more in common with Guyana and Belize which are located in South and Central America!

[@LuckyAtom-dx5yf]

Jamaicans respect Haitians , it's these Dominican Republic Self hating people , that make it hard for the whole island as a whole , but Haitians are loved by Jamaicans

[@LuckyAtom-dx5yf]

Absolutely facts

[@SeanAnderson-h9p]

So all the other islands shouldn't listen to dancehall ?

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

Did anyone say that ?

[@SeanAnderson-h9p]

@@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK why say Jamaicans shouldn't go ,i know alot of ja that loves Soca and carnivals

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

@SeanAnderson-h9p once again I never said that , please listen to the video before you comment

[@LuckyAtom-dx5yf]

You guys always will lol , stap unno noise lol

[@MsJared1994]

I personally don’t mind the dancehall but towards the end not 4pm in the hot sun I wanna hear JAB MUSIC TF!

[@chasestyles668]

I been going to bana since 1993 - 2016. And i can say Toronto's black population had mostly Jamaicans in the 90s to 2005ish. During that time Jamaicans mostly attended bana 💯 🇯🇲🇹🇹over here 🙋🏾‍♂️

[@ڈتےع]

Ok I will say it, Caribbana, a large portion of the people are going to cekebrate Jamaica. Thats just it. Stop hating on Jamaica, go eat dome Ackee and Saltfish😂😂😂😂😂

[@NerosVision]

You see not a lot of older heads with have an issue with things being said here as carnival started in Trinidad n has big meaning behind it.for example there's a Facebook group with all the older trinis complain that people don't understand the culture

[@jaespinnaz]

🤣 stop the cap Brazil started it not trinis.

[@reeneljoseph]

​@@jaespinnaz Trinidad started modern day carnival with french riots etc , do a lil history search , Brazil carnival is totally different from Trinidad.

[@jackieharris4268]

Agreed no Afro beats… Talk da Tingz dem just don’t like we 🇯🇲 we too good 🤑

[@juniorjohnson7020]

I should be soca not Reggae. As a Jamaican

[@rhuggins2649]

This is such a weird topic to say the least. My view of this is overall. The Caribana is a “WEST INDIAN” event what music is played in the Caribbean. Kompa, Soca, Benna, Dancehall, Calypso … o one Caribbean and we need to practice this together we will all rise but once we fight amongst our own we will always be at the bottom of the barrel. So let us unite please 🙏🏾🙏🏾 What needs to be done in the parade is uniformity. Ref: Afrobeats we need to integrate this because. If we read the history books 📕 of where the Caribbean music and the genre derived from …. It was the continent of Africa. It all starts with Africa at the end of the day. The jumping in the streets emancipation of the abolition of slavery because why Africans brought on ships and dumped in the Caribbean like animals to slave to make who rich ? So let us look at how and why we Jump in the streets …. Not what genre of music is better because again it all derived straight from the “motherland”.

[@TheMissDebyluv]

Jamaicans are welcome to play dancehall in Montreal next summer

[@kellytrinidad3200]

United we stand, divided we fall.

[@Kim-cc1mb]

When did this become an issue!!!🤔CARIBANA is CARIBANA.... Last float always🇯🇲🇯🇲since I came to 🇨🇦in 1983....❤❤ BLESSINGS FAM!!!

[@chantalt57]

Agreed, Caribana always had a Jamaican float at the end. It would park and we would have a block party. Carib😊ana is the original name from when it used to be on University ave. Not Carnival.

[@Kim-cc1mb]

​@@chantalt57❤❤❤The issue is that very one wants to be WOKE!!!!lol..CRAB IN A BARREL MENTALITY

[@___.blessed.beauty.___b9446]

I think people are getting confused with CARNIVAL and CARIBANA! lol you would never hear dancehall in Grenada Trinidad Vincy Lucia Dominica Guyana St kitts Carnival Caribana is now “ Caribbean carnival” Jamaicans that I know all hate soca lol 😂 But will go to Caribana because it has included everyone so… In my opinion it’s not carnival just a taste of it. Which is why JAB JAB, JOUVERT n those things are on separate days because those are more geared towards small island culture like grenada, trini, Vincy,

[@LuckyAtom-dx5yf]

Do you travel , All of these islands have their own form of dancehall, try again Canadian girl.

[@jennalud4748]

Exactly! We Jamaicans just don't like that $hit!😅

[@___.blessed.beauty.___b9446]

@@LuckyAtom-dx5yf you are very silly!!! I’m Grenadian and Trini… LOL I used to live in Trinidad you TRIED THAT! My father happens to be a Grenadian calypso artist who lives in trini. Calypso is also something Jamaicans are not very familiar with… move around

[@RoseGolden0]

@@___.blessed.beauty.___b9446 tell them again. Same mix as you, girl. They really don’t know what they’re talking about

[@LuckyAtom-dx5yf]

Yea your definitely not someone who should talk about music , Because Jamaicans been knowing about Calypso since the early 19th century

[@Mike_Santana]

I never go; soca makes my headache

[@RoseGolden0]

If soca give you headache you’re badmind because the music is nothing but happy and free up chune.

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

How Is he bodmind because he dosent like a certain thing THATS HIS OPINION ! Was it bodmind when u said if people don’t wanna hear dancehall than so be it ? don’t be a hypocrite now 😂

[@RoseGolden0]

@@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORKI didn’t say dancehall gives me headache or bashing the music. Nothing wrong with dancehall (the old tracks). All I’m saying is let the other islands have our time. It’s one weekend out of the year. And yeah he’s badmind because nuff allyuh steady say this crap about how soca hurts your head or ears and it’s good vibes music. If good vibes upbeat music hurts your head then you’re badmind, period. lol

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

@@RoseGolden0 1. i believe you have comprehension issues but it’s ok 2. Bodmind means you hate someone for the things they have , JAMAICANS don’t want soca music so wtf are we bodmind about if people say they don’t like it ? If anything you sound very bodmind because the world prefers dancehall and reggae everyday all day ANYDAY 😂🇯🇲🔥 hush and stop commenting foolishness

[@Renee.Samuels88]

I remember back in the mid 2000's, my friend and I were on a float when suddenly the Dj started playing dancehall music. All of a sudden, this woman with a strong accent from another island started shouting "NO! NO! Turn this off! Caribana is for soca music, NOT Jamaicans! Turn it off!!". This woman nearly had a mental over Jamaicans and their music.

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

Suh dem gwan sometimes 😂😂

[@bobhopeless4106]

Y'know, I'm a White brovva, maybe some think I don't have a valid opinion on something like this, but maybe it takes an outsider to give an objective take sometimes. So here goes: the festival is representative of all the Caribbean Isles, as specifically filtered through the lens of Toronto (which, as that one lovely lady pointed out, is a melting pot). As such, music reflective of the Caribbean culture(s) should be played, whether that's Soca, Reggae, or whatever else. I do hope Roots Reggae (and not only Dancehall) gets some play, in respect to the Rastafarian bredren as well.

[@LuckyAtom-dx5yf]

You do know , there are White people born in the Caribbean right ?

[@bobhopeless4106]

@@LuckyAtom-dx5yf Yes I do, true enough. But I am not one of them.

[@Acelegitt]

I'm crying. His mom said she was bad-minded her heart wasn't clean😂

[@charmaineassing421]

WHO CARES MUSIC IS UNITY❤

[@jaespinnaz]

Dem badmind it’s all good tho we do our own ting

[@abroadstateofmind5571]

Feel the same about my people 🇧🇸 trying to make this apart of our culture. It isnt. Cool event but let them people have their event and promote your own.

[@traynice9633]

Most time Jamaicans separate themselves from anything that’s not Jamaican. Plus you can’t walk and dance to dance hall

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

Ofc u can , can u walk to fast ass soca ? cmon fam

[@nadinubian2018]

Caribana is for carribeans.. period. Also it's on the Jamaican independence holiday...soooooo... 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@randalladams4827]

Caribana is carnival. There is no dancehall in carnival.

[@prtz1917]

I am half Jamaican and British I notice over the years that August is our time to celebrate and let loose if you notice in this month we have Caribana afrofest jerkfest jambana the king and queen contest if i missed any more events for this month just put it underneath the comments the point i am trying to say this month is our month and this month we mash up di place in every city we touch and all year round till we come back to August again i just love the Vibe we bring to the city 🎉❤️💥 😅

[@Kingstonian1G]

Jamaicans need to park the other islands and have Jamaica floats only. Toronto is Jamaicans place. It’s not about Carnival. These people don’t respect Jamaica period. Go to Little Haiti and see if you can represent anywhere else around them. Unu Canadian Jamaicans too nice.

[@craigcallender9647]

I just stumpled upon your page, and some of the topics were quite interesting. Listening to you and seeing the other comments is nothing new. People had these opinions 30 plus years ago. Jamaicans hating calypso and soca or others islanders saying they do not like the dancehall floats. I am going to say this and it will piss off some Jamaicans and lovers of dancehall. No one has mentioned it but during the 90s and first decade of the 2000s, the dancehall floats had no respect for the other floats. I have seen the floats try to go around the people playing mas and nearly knocking them over. What the ass is this? I love dancehall and reggae music but there has to be respect for each other. I will say this that type of behavior is brash and arrogant. Every float has a destination to be reached. Some of the other West Indians believe that Jamaicans are brash, arrogant, and not well educated on the rest of the Caribbean. And since Jamaica has the largest population in the English-speaking Caribbean, there is this superiority complex that leads to the attitude of "if it not Jamaican I want know part of it." This is the same thing in Brooklyn, Miami, and London. Unfortunately, your responses in the comment section reflect that. It seems you are attacking people for what they have to say. I am in my 40s, an old miserable dude who went to the parade since the 80s, took a 9 yr hiatus and went down to Harbourfront instead, does not want to hear Afrobeats or even hip hop music at Caribana, BUT LOVES REGGAE AND DANCEHALL. I say bring some floats back, BUT, if they and the people who follow these floats get disrespectful to the people playing mas and the floats that accompany them, ban them for a year until they can comply. On top of that, bring in floats that play zouk and kompa. Hopefully people can experience enjoy and understand Caribbean music as a whole. Earlier on, you had mentioned how Jamaican Carnival is trash, give it time. Alot of these other islands that have Carnival are light years ahead. We are talking 50-60 years and even more than that. If Jamaica's carnival continue, it can eclipse the other ones. I am saying that because some people in the Caribbean prefer Spicemas, CropOver, VincyMas over Trinidad's. I will not be surprised if I get plenty of responses. But I had to get this off my chest.

[@dehoutyahtv]

Like gurl u a geh me headache I am Jamaican and u used to dance in Caribana when it was carribana at 14yrs now I'm in my 40s the float was called serious ting reggae float and we did dancehall trilla load a gal and cent five ten cent dolla , and all nation run dung we truck till it almost turn ova cause it was one of the best float we and until today unu still swam at the Jamaican truck and have the nerve to cuss... move unu soca blood clot from we truck den now it's not even unu a run it a rong sex and clownship carnival if u ask me with no apology bless @talkdatingz🇯🇲🙏🙏🇨🇦

[@4u2nvRiss]

Big up yourself 10k 🎉🎉

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

🎉

[@mskaayriich]

Ahhh not me seeing my video in the first 30 seconds😂😂😂!!!

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 a suh my videos reach far

[@mskaayriich]

@@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORKit was sent to my when you posted it 😂😂😂 I was shook to see my face!!

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

😂😂 I hope you don’t mind

[@mskaayriich]

@@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORKnope I don’t mind. I said what I said and I’m standing on it. Plus my Trini friends said they play dancehall in Trinidad as well🇹🇹, so the dancehall haters can nyam mi bawty 😂😂❤

[@BeautifulBellaDiana]

Loved it when it was on University Ave. in the good old days! Once changed...never been back since. Big up the Jamaican float same way!

[@charmjorman4235]

It's called Caribana because when it was introduced to Canada it was a THANK YOU from the Caribbean, yes Carnival started in Trinidad and Tobago, however this celebration was originally a thank you, and if you were celebrating on University street then you know!!! Just a history lesson for those who don't know! You're welcome

[@jaespinnaz]

🤣 it didn’t start in no Trinidad tho it started in Brazil go look it up

[@868Doescrack]

@@jaespinnazit started in Europe the (latin countries). The french, spanish, and portuguese brought it to their colonies. However in each colony it developed and changed into something new due to rebellion. Thats why Brazil, Trinidad and New Orleans Carnival have similarities but are very different. The Carnival all Caribbean Carinvals and diasporic Carnivals emerged from is Trinidad Carnival. Some of the islands like Grenada and St Vincent had their own form of Carnival in the colonial days but traditions died and then it was revived to imitate Trinidad Carnival. Trinidad Carnival was born out Canboulay riots of freed slaves, the creation of pan was due to the banning of African drums. As a person who does not know the history you dont understand the cultural importance of Carnival you just see the commercial aspect which is whine, play pretty mass and fete which most foreigners gravitate to and capitalism promotes it.Brazil is the biggest Carnival but the most influential is Trinidad. Pan, Soca, Calypso, Chutney, Mass, Jouvert, Competition, Canboulay, Stick fighting, limbo etc.

[@Darrytheprince]

Carnival in the Caribbean started before Trinidad even had its first black man 😂. Trinidadians get their carnival culture from the french isles. Grenada, Gwada, st Lucia and Martinique. They were doing it 200 years before Trinidad was even settled. The original carnivals were from Martinique, trickled down into st Lucia, Grenada and Gwada over the next 50 years. Then 150-200 years later those people went to Trinidad once the Spanish took in immigrants, majority from Grenada. But even grenada gets its carnival originally from Martinique.

[@868Doescrack]

@@Darrytheprince yes but as I said there carnivals died over the years as Trinidad Carnival blossomed..all new innovations of Carnival came through Trinidad’s Carnival and then replicated in the other english Speaking Caribbean carnival .

[@reeneljoseph]

​@@Darrytheprince that is totally false information, go do some research embarrassing.

[@thejmfamilytv4846]

I think the smaller islands want thier time to shine ... i m from trinidad and tobago and my father is from J.A and we play dancehll for our carnival in trinidad it is not a problem.. jamaica is a popular place i alway try to understnd both sides howwvwe to mw it seema like thosw who where complaining about jamaica this wants to spot light too.

[@moneymaaan8042]

Nahh Afro beats affi play too. Afro beats is hitting

[@Darrytheprince]

You cant play afrobeats because it opens the door yo everything else. Next thing you know we hearing "you dont like anericans" "you always acting like Puerto Ricans arent Caribbean " "well it have black austraillians too!"

[@Darrytheprince]

"Jamaicans dont like soca" ehhhhh, boy i wouldnt say that still applies in 2024. In fact many dancehal "OGs" have been complaining at how soca is doing bigger numbers in jamaica than ever before. Which leads me to a rather interesting school of thought that ive noticed in the past (these days its not as much anymore): One thing people dont touch upon is the Jamaican mindset of "if you like soca you not jamaican" or "in Jamaican i cant like soca." I noticed that and its so weird. Thats like a Hatian sating they dont like zouk. In Dominica, Guadeloupe, Martinique, they have their zouk, bouyon and soca seamlessly. In belize Panama and Honduras they will switch from soca to reggae to punta to Bachata no problem. Even in Trinidad they enjoying everything. So part of the "jamaicans dont like soca" is a manufactured bias in my opinion. But idk, just theories.

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

It’s not a theory it’s just facts most Jamaicans don’t like soca … & there’s no issue with that.

[@Badfiyears]

What numbers soca doing in Jamaica ? Even trini artists doing dancehall over soca nowadays so what numbers soca doing ?

[@Badfiyears]

Nowadays every island creating their own version of dancehall. Only the old soca artists doing soca. Last week I saw a video with one in st vincent asking Vybz Kartel to listen to his music lol.

[@3amepiphanies954]

​@@Badfiyears I've noticed there's a lot of Soca Promoters from Jamaica these days and even more soca events than even 10 years ago in Jamaica. Like any weekend you could find a soca party in Jamaica. It wasn't always like that. And now they have soca events , soca Brunch, etc even when it's not Jamaica carnival. Way more than 10 years ago. I remember even Bounty Killa making a comment about it a year ago. But it's not to say it's going to take over, just doing more serious numbers than before. Which is a good thing

[@3amepiphanies954]

​@@Badfiyearsthey always did that even when dancehall first came out. Thats not a "these days thing." Everybody tried to make dancehall because it was the biggest way to make it really big in the late 90s 2000s. It's why you saw so many non Jamaican artistes making it big that year by introducing dancehall elements. I even made a video on how dancehall influenced modern soca.

[@MrRottoro]

How about we do this. Since everybody has a problem with Jamaica. Since carnivals are not Jamaican culture, and no dancehall shouldn't be playing at carnival, cool. So how about yall, give us back our culture, and music of which yall are making millions off of. See, we're only the same people when yall are benefitting from us and hijacking our style, but when it's strictly yall culture, you guys want to X us out. So just give us back our shit.

[@deborah8056]

I know Carnival is Trini culture but the history is about celebrating the emancipation of slavery. So all black people even Africans should take part in carnival because our history is connected. Also statistically 50% of the black population in Canada are Jamaicans. Without Jamaicans Black people in Canada wouldn’t have the progress where we are at today. So yes Reggae and dancehall need to be included!!

[@Orangesunday421]

Lol that not true.. American descendants of slaves and North American born blacks have done more for the “progress” of blacks in Canada then Caribbean’s. Caribbean’s started coming to Canada in the 70s. Yes “Caribbean culture” has influenced Canadian society a lot primarily in major cities like T.O, MTL etc. but talking about “progression” The progress made for blacks in Canada was not by the Caribbean blacks.

[@TylerViior]

In the uk Jamaicans here don’t have a problem with soca at carnival it’s even encouraged however uk carnival has been diluted over the years with other genre like drill and Afro beats smh.

[@RonaldRamoutar]

The music of carnival is soca and steel pan dancehall is just going to destroy carnival I know lots of Jamaican love carnival and they loves soca

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

1 dancehall truck will destroy all of carnival ? I never knew we had so much power 😂

[@damianoliver6913]

How come Machel Montano got the keys to kingston a few years ago??

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

I don’t know 😂 what’s your point

[@smokingreenz753]

Everything evolves an carnival too jamaica is I the Caribbean reggae haffi play 🎶🇯🇲😎

[@TheJuwile]

Caribana is now carnival and real carnival dont play dancehall.

[@jahmowelch2231]

😎Big up Talk Da Tings! Man some people love to keep up the foolishness.These people and their twisted ideas, and weird opinions are irritating🙏🏽🇨🇦🇺🇲🇯🇲

[@sonotthejoneses8242]

Look up Byron Lee AKA The Dragon ❤

[@allwayzbizee7633]

So leave Jamaican culture alone then. Everything dem wan copy off Jamaica. Everywhere Jamaica go, dem ah follow behind us. Trinidad supposedly create Soca, thou it comes from "...French Calypso..." Jamaica nuh have time fi ah grind every day. Of course all dem want is Jamaican duh dwl 😆.

[@allwayzbizee7633]

@Jason Edwards Yo roti botty bwoy. Original ska comes from Jamaica, not no New Orleans copied music from Jamaica. Kumina and other Jamaican genre's give birth to original ska in 1850s. Then yankee copied our shit after they came out slavery.

[@Darrytheprince]

Trinidad has a very strong french history. The term "patois" actually started in places like trinidad and was appeopriated by jamaica. The Trinidadians spoke french creole historically. Still speak it in many parts. Many Trinidadians, Grenadians, Hatians, lucians, Martinique and Guadeloupe all speak the same french creole actually. Although these days the youngee generation Trini dont soeak it as much as the past.

[@juniorjohnson7020]

It very disappointing

[@Ombudsman08]

Dawm.. smh we already divided. This is gonna piece up the pieces

[@hailemhailem1320]

im confused about the blue devil from trinidad..devil ting explain

[@___.blessed.beauty.___b9446]

What blue devil? 😈 I know of the black devil and that’s Grenadian culture

[@chrischilds2231]

😂🇨🇦🇯🇲💯

[@kylovemedia]

I want to hear more about this

[@franklinfraser4747]

Nope that our thing and if they want to come they would have to behave

[@GRIMZSTREAMINGNETWORK]

We already came so what now

[@notoriousj_]

Dancehall music is a must! Enough of this divisive nonsense!

[@soled247]

🔥🔥🔥

[@user-io1nx9jx4i]

I think this video is divisive Jamaica has a lot of representation in Toronto. Carabana isn’t 1 of the tho that is it

[@justineebourgeois3420]

Dancehall > Soca 🤷‍♀️