Should Labour try to Rejoin the EU?

@zanovar Жыл бұрын

The real question is whether the EU would be willing to let the UK back in. They probably won't be let back in with the same special privileges that they had before

@rafaelmartinvannostrand2084 Жыл бұрын

Not probably. Absolutely sure the UK would not have the same privileges as before. This is the real tragedy of brexit: The UK was not only a member, was the member with more privileges.

@orcho141 Жыл бұрын

We'd have to prove we've left behind our antiquated views of british nationalism/exceptionalism if we are to ever rejoin. May take a generation before this happens and we're ready to join the EU as an equal member.

@richardgallagher4880 Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 It's an evill eeeempire that's just taken blf4s7 and keeev. Deluded zealots

@me0101001000 Жыл бұрын

@@rafaelmartinvannostrand2084 frankly, the UK joining as an equal and regular member might be good for everyone. Especially regular British people. The safety regulations, the freedom of movement, everything that Brexiteers consider "an affront to sovereignty", are ultimately good for regular English people. Plus, they'll be forced to play on a level playing field with the rest of Europe, which is absolutely something I can get behind. And though it isn't immediately likely, I would love to see the UK ditch the Pound for the Euro.

@richardgallagher4880 Жыл бұрын

@@rafaelmartinvannostrand2084 🤭🤣🤣 It was a staggering success. Cope.

@misha312 Жыл бұрын

all the hardwork to negotiate better terms for the UK since the Thatcher era are all... gone. Even there's a referendum to rejoin the EU, I doubt they will consider re-admitting a 'troublemaker' with a history favourably, if at all.

@johnjephcote7636 Жыл бұрын

The EU will look at us, even if Starmer is being nicer to them, and then think...'well the Tories will simply reverse things again and be hostile once more'. With our wildly swinging two party system who could ever expect certainty from us?

@mickeythompson9537 Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, yes. The best I can see is - if we are allowed to re-join - is that we will have matured into a full team player in Europe, without the Thatcher-era opt-outs.

@English_Dawn Жыл бұрын

Being an unwritten constitution the biggest constitutional change since 1660 has occurred. Power rests with the people NOT the Government nor Parliament. Politicians were forced to enact legislation the majority of whom would rather avoid. This has NEVER occurred before in British history.. There will be many benefits of Brexit, which may not be obvious immediately, no realistic person ever thought they would be but the constitutional change alone was worth Brexit. 👉 The MSM have tried to portray things not going well, many things un-related to Brexit. They are aggrieved their kids can't go on "Erasmus Plus" courses or roaming-charges, passport queues. What a shame! 👉Areas of this country outside the M25 have suffered economic decline and low GDP, not for 3 years but for over a century, as far back as 1870. So does a gain or loss of 5% of GDP matter to them? Not really because they are innured to low or no growtb of GDP. Life exists outside the M25. Levelling-up. To whom? Any benefits will take probably over a century and cost billions, probably trillions, not millions. They know that. The UK is the most economically unequal country in Europe. 👉 The EU was set up by Jean Monnet as an elite instutuon. Run by elites for elites. 👉The EU Council and EU Commission are the only two bodies with legislative initiative. Neither of which are directly publically elected. 👉 Only the EU Parliament is subject to a public vote and publically accountable, and that only weakly with one M.E.P. to approximately 770, 000 voters. It has NO power of legislative initiative. 👉How many members of the public actually votes for the EU President? None. 👉It is fundamentally undemocratic and was planned to be, keeping the public at arms-length. 👉British voters do not accept that un-elected judges have more power than elected politicians. Not many voters do. 👉The EU was a post-war institution, of It's time. 👉The bigger it gets the more remote the voter and more diluted the power of each individual national state. 👉The Eurozone is a "basket-case". It is effectively the "Deutschemarkzone". Italy only got in by claiming it's debt position was better than it actually was. The then Greek government seeing that, did likewise. Hence trying to run before they can walk means high youth unemployment. 👉Britian's peak was 1870 for output. 👉Britain's peak financially, inflation-adjusted, was around 1912. 👉Cotton, upon which a lot of the North depended, last peaked in 1922. 👉Coal mining last peaked in 1910. Many British regions are not self-financing. Only London and the South East excluding London, are. Successive British governments have not been able to stem the decline. Nor Membership of the EU. It is arguable membership of the EU exacerbated the decline. How many times had Jean-Claude Juncker visited The Rhondda, Hull or Redcar? 👉Expansion eastwards of the EU would have meant less money available for poor Regions of Britain. 👉The Blob and MSM, to excuse their own ignorance, say Brexit was caused by "uneducated Northerners". 👉In 1980 1 in 10 people went to university not 5 out of 10 as it stands. Many have life experience. Do some studying for media studies etc come close? 👉If you draw a line from The Wash to the River Severn the area below that, the South, was 60% of the "Leave" vote. Only London, Oxford and Cheltenham really voted "Remain". Basically the rest of the South voted "Leave". 👉The biggest social group voting to "Leave", 59%, were the A's,B's & C1's. The working-class vote was 27%. 👉That "Scotland was dragged out of the EU against It's own will". In 2014 Scottish Referendum independance for Scotland meant leaving the EU, without blinking an eye. Scotland, Northern Ireland and London were 3 out of 4 sectors with lowest turnout. Conclusion. Brexit will have many benefits, most of them constitutionally and be rather hidden. There will be other benefits including financially. For only around a third of "Leave" voters was finance the key driver. For most countries Sovereignty out-weighs financial matters. 👉The ability to vote for your own legislature to make your own laws is paramount to at least 2/3rds of the people. Hence a main reason for Brexit.

@English_Dawn Жыл бұрын

@@johnjephcote7636 Being an unwritten constitution the biggest constitutional change since 1660 has occurred. Power rests with the people NOT the Government nor Parliament. Politicians were forced to enact legislation the majority of whom would rather avoid. This has NEVER occurred before in British history.. There will be many benefits of Brexit, which may not be obvious immediately, no realistic person ever thought they would be but the constitutional change alone was worth Brexit. 👉 The MSM have tried to portray things not going well, many things un-related to Brexit. They are aggrieved their kids can't go on "Erasmus Plus" courses or roaming-charges, passport queues. What a shame! 👉Areas of this country outside the M25 have suffered economic decline and low GDP, not for 3 years but for over a century, as far back as 1870. So does a gain or loss of 5% of GDP matter to them? Not really because they are innured to low or no growtb of GDP. Life exists outside the M25. Levelling-up. To whom? Any benefits will take probably over a century and cost billions, probably trillions, not millions. They know that. The UK is the most economically unequal country in Europe. 👉 The EU was set up by Jean Monnet as an elite instutuon. Run by elites for elites. 👉The EU Council and EU Commission are the only two bodies with legislative initiative. Neither of which are directly publically elected. 👉 Only the EU Parliament is subject to a public vote and publically accountable, and that only weakly with one M.E.P. to approximately 770, 000 voters. It has NO power of legislative initiative. 👉How many members of the public actually votes for the EU President? None. 👉It is fundamentally undemocratic and was planned to be, keeping the public at arms-length. 👉British voters do not accept that un-elected judges have more power than elected politicians. Not many voters do. 👉The EU was a post-war institution, of It's time. 👉The bigger it gets the more remote the voter and more diluted the power of each individual national state. 👉The Eurozone is a "basket-case". It is effectively the "Deutschemarkzone". Italy only got in by claiming it's debt position was better than it actually was. The then Greek government seeing that, did likewise. Hence trying to run before they can walk means high youth unemployment. 👉Britian's peak was 1870 for output. 👉Britain's peak financially, inflation-adjusted, was around 1912. 👉Cotton, upon which a lot of the North depended, last peaked in 1922. 👉Coal mining last peaked in 1910. Many British regions are not self-financing. Only London and the South East excluding London, are. Successive British governments have not been able to stem the decline. Nor Membership of the EU. It is arguable membership of the EU exacerbated the decline. How many times had Jean-Claude Juncker visited The Rhondda, Hull or Redcar? 👉Expansion eastwards of the EU would have meant less money available for poor Regions of Britain. 👉The Blob and MSM, to excuse their own ignorance, say Brexit was caused by "uneducated Northerners". 👉In 1980 1 in 10 people went to university not 5 out of 10 as it stands. Many have life experience. Do some studying for media studies etc come close? 👉If you draw a line from The Wash to the River Severn the area below that, the South, was 60% of the "Leave" vote. Only London, Oxford and Cheltenham really voted "Remain". Basically the rest of the South voted "Leave". 👉The biggest social group voting to "Leave", 59%, were the A's,B's & C1's. The working-class vote was 27%. 👉That "Scotland was dragged out of the EU against It's own will". In 2014 Scottish Referendum independance for Scotland meant leaving the EU, without blinking an eye. Scotland, Northern Ireland and London were 3 out of 4 sectors with lowest turnout. Conclusion. Brexit will have many benefits, most of them constitutionally and be rather hidden. There will be other benefits including financially. For only around a third of "Leave" voters was finance the key driver. For most countries Sovereignty out-weighs financial matters. 👉The ability to vote for your own legislature to make your own laws is paramount to at least 2/3rds of the people. Hence a main reason for Brexit.

@English_Dawn Жыл бұрын

@@mickeythompson9537 Being an unwritten constitution the biggest constitutional change since 1660 has occurred. Power rests with the people NOT the Government nor Parliament. Politicians were forced to enact legislation the majority of whom would rather avoid. This has NEVER occurred before in British history.. There will be many benefits of Brexit, which may not be obvious immediately, no realistic person ever thought they would be but the constitutional change alone was worth Brexit. 👉 The MSM have tried to portray things not going well, many things un-related to Brexit. They are aggrieved their kids can't go on "Erasmus Plus" courses or roaming-charges, passport queues. What a shame! 👉Areas of this country outside the M25 have suffered economic decline and low GDP, not for 3 years but for over a century, as far back as 1870. So does a gain or loss of 5% of GDP matter to them? Not really because they are innured to low or no growtb of GDP. Life exists outside the M25. Levelling-up. To whom? Any benefits will take probably over a century and cost billions, probably trillions, not millions. They know that. The UK is the most economically unequal country in Europe. 👉 The EU was set up by Jean Monnet as an elite instutuon. Run by elites for elites. 👉The EU Council and EU Commission are the only two bodies with legislative initiative. Neither of which are directly publically elected. 👉 Only the EU Parliament is subject to a public vote and publically accountable, and that only weakly with one M.E.P. to approximately 770, 000 voters. It has NO power of legislative initiative. 👉How many members of the public actually votes for the EU President? None. 👉It is fundamentally undemocratic and was planned to be, keeping the public at arms-length. 👉British voters do not accept that un-elected judges have more power than elected politicians. Not many voters do. 👉The EU was a post-war institution, of It's time. 👉The bigger it gets the more remote the voter and more diluted the power of each individual national state. 👉The Eurozone is a "basket-case". It is effectively the "Deutschemarkzone". Italy only got in by claiming it's debt position was better than it actually was. The then Greek government seeing that, did likewise. Hence trying to run before they can walk means high youth unemployment. 👉Britian's peak was 1870 for output. 👉Britain's peak financially, inflation-adjusted, was around 1912. 👉Cotton, upon which a lot of the North depended, last peaked in 1922. 👉Coal mining last peaked in 1910. Many British regions are not self-financing. Only London and the South East excluding London, are. Successive British governments have not been able to stem the decline. Nor Membership of the EU. It is arguable membership of the EU exacerbated the decline. How many times had Jean-Claude Juncker visited The Rhondda, Hull or Redcar? 👉Expansion eastwards of the EU would have meant less money available for poor Regions of Britain. 👉The Blob and MSM, to excuse their own ignorance, say Brexit was caused by "uneducated Northerners". 👉In 1980 1 in 10 people went to university not 5 out of 10 as it stands. Many have life experience. Do some studying for media studies etc come close? 👉If you draw a line from The Wash to the River Severn the area below that, the South, was 60% of the "Leave" vote. Only London, Oxford and Cheltenham really voted "Remain". Basically the rest of the South voted "Leave". 👉The biggest social group voting to "Leave", 59%, were the A's,B's & C1's. The working-class vote was 27%. 👉That "Scotland was dragged out of the EU against It's own will". In 2014 Scottish Referendum independance for Scotland meant leaving the EU, without blinking an eye. Scotland, Northern Ireland and London were 3 out of 4 sectors with lowest turnout. Conclusion. Brexit will have many benefits, most of them constitutionally and be rather hidden. There will be other benefits including financially. For only around a third of "Leave" voters was finance the key driver. For most countries Sovereignty out-weighs financial matters. 👉The ability to vote for your own legislature to make your own laws is paramount to at least 2/3rds of the people. Hence a main reason for Brexit.

@tonysegadelli9421 Жыл бұрын

In the end a lot of people will simply vote to get rid of the Tories so there's no benefit in frightening them. However, in government Starmer will be forced to work more closely with the EU or risk further damage to the economy

@richardgallagher4880 Жыл бұрын

Or destroy Berlin like any normal person would.

@mickeythompson9537 Жыл бұрын

@@richardgallagher4880 Yep, first you take Berlin, then you take Manhattan.

@Ooze-cl5tx Жыл бұрын

@@richardgallagher4880 Destroying Berlin is a bit more difficult than sinking refugee boats in the channel like all those average english keep applauding .

@danielcollinson4456 Жыл бұрын

Starmer has already said they will work with closer with the EU. He says it often!

@richardgallagher4880 Жыл бұрын

@@Ooze-cl5tx One button.

@crazycjk Жыл бұрын

What's interesting is that the stats at the 7:15 show that 56% think Brexit was a mistake, however at 4:55, only 7% have Brexit as a priority and 1% as a top priority. Sounds pretty clear that Starmer's current position of "Make Brexit Work" is the correct one politically, even if it needs significantly more detail to hold meaning.

@mohammedsarker5756 Жыл бұрын

that's what people need to understand, its not enough to see how many people favor a policy position but also how high of a priority it is ("saliency"). It's why a policy like legalizing marijuana isn't prioritized more in America despite fairly strong majority support for recreational use, it's simply not a top 3 or probably even top 5 issue for most voters outside of the hardcore.

@nickt2822 Жыл бұрын

Yes because people are dumb. So many economic problems are derived from Brexit but people don't seem to understand that. Just like they didn't understand when they voted Brexit to begin with.

@richardgallagher4880 Жыл бұрын

56% of idiots who answer polls want Britain to look like bak hmut? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You were wrong. It's over. Cope harder.

@MartynThomas1 Жыл бұрын

"only 7% have Brexit as a priority and 1% as a top priority" - That's because he country is in deep trouble right now and so many other things are significantly more important. "Make Brexit Work" is a clever "Three Word Slogan" but he won't succeed. Brexit can't be made to work.

@liestricks Жыл бұрын

It is far to reactionairy, its a common problem in politics these days but labour is particularly bad at it. There is no point in winning a election if you sabotaged your chances to deliver improvements. Then you are just setting your self up for failure. Its the same for things like immigration

@dogestcreature Жыл бұрын

I doubt the EU will accept the UK back, it was really good at setting an example to other countries as to what NOT to do. EU favorability grew pretty much everywhere

@mrcool7140 Жыл бұрын

I mean a country *re*joining with their heads down would arguably be even more of a PR success...

@davidevans3223 11 ай бұрын

That's called tribal instinct like a jilted lover bitterness as the UK thrives other's will want to leave we are doing better than the eu since we left no exceptions only the fool's keep expecting it will start going bad hanging on to anything to support there insanely the eu is coming to an end or huge shift no more bulling Poland and hungry like Greece

@FlashdogFul28 11 ай бұрын

Not any more there has been a huge shift to EU sceptic partys as the EU trys to consolidate power now Britain is gone.

@antonlevii6426 11 ай бұрын

They'd have the UK back, it's a very popular kingdom and wealthy

@jal051 10 ай бұрын

@@mrcool7140 You're right, but the UK is far away from having their heads down. Allowing the UK to rejoin would open a Pandora's box inside the EU. The EU won't allow UK back until the European sentiment is generalized in the UK.

@richardjames3022 Жыл бұрын

I can to some extent understand why Labour started on this course, but as an ardent remainer, I am not sure this is now the best path. I grant you that the EU don't want us back until we have a more stable pollical situation with all parties wanting to re-join. But, we will NEVER have the same clout or op-outs that we had in the past, but as they say: every long journey starts with a single step, so lets spend time and money aligning as much as possible to start with.

@o0xTHEcoPlayerx0o Жыл бұрын

the biggest reason i would vote no, to rejoining, would be the adoption of the euro. greece has been struggling for a long time... and more recently, countries that were smart before the economic crisis after covid that were EU members, shared the inflation of those that were negligent. this also extends to LNG imports. countries that sourced LNG from a certain naughty country and made profits, then shared the losses of the fallout of the cut-off and its effects on their economy, with the countries that were smart via inflation. im all for unification, i think an NWO is the next step in government. but the EU is the worst of the megacountries, because unlike india/china/russia/usa. the EU has 27 self-interested members. the others dont.

@English_Dawn Жыл бұрын

Being an unwritten constitution the biggest constitutional change since 1660 has occurred. Power rests with the people NOT the Government nor Parliament. Politicians were forced to enact legislation the majority of whom would rather avoid. This has NEVER occurred before in British history.. There will be many benefits of Brexit, which may not be obvious immediately, no realistic person ever thought they would be but the constitutional change alone was worth Brexit. 👉 The MSM have tried to portray things not going well, many things un-related to Brexit. They are aggrieved their kids can't go on "Erasmus Plus" courses or roaming-charges, passport queues. What a shame! 👉Areas of this country outside the M25 have suffered economic decline and low GDP, not for 3 years but for over a century, as far back as 1870. So does a gain or loss of 5% of GDP matter to them? Not really because they are innured to low or no growtb of GDP. Life exists outside the M25. Levelling-up. To whom? Any benefits will take probably over a century and cost billions, probably trillions, not millions. They know that. The UK is the most economically unequal country in Europe. 👉 The EU was set up by Jean Monnet as an elite instutuon. Run by elites for elites. 👉The EU Council and EU Commission are the only two bodies with legislative initiative. Neither of which are directly publically elected. 👉 Only the EU Parliament is subject to a public vote and publically accountable, and that only weakly with one M.E.P. to approximately 770, 000 voters. It has NO power of legislative initiative. 👉How many members of the public actually votes for the EU President? None. 👉It is fundamentally undemocratic and was planned to be, keeping the public at arms-length. 👉British voters do not accept that un-elected judges have more power than elected politicians. Not many voters do. 👉The EU was a post-war institution, of It's time. 👉The bigger it gets the more remote the voter and more diluted the power of each individual national state. 👉The Eurozone is a "basket-case". It is effectively the "Deutschemarkzone". Italy only got in by claiming it's debt position was better than it actually was. The then Greek government seeing that, did likewise. Hence trying to run before they can walk means high youth unemployment. 👉Britian's peak was 1870 for output. 👉Britain's peak financially, inflation-adjusted, was around 1912. 👉Cotton, upon which a lot of the North depended, last peaked in 1922. 👉Coal mining last peaked in 1910. Many British regions are not self-financing. Only London and the South East excluding London, are. Successive British governments have not been able to stem the decline. Nor Membership of the EU. It is arguable membership of the EU exacerbated the decline. How many times had Jean-Claude Juncker visited The Rhondda, Hull or Redcar? 👉Expansion eastwards of the EU would have meant less money available for poor Regions of Britain. 👉The Blob and MSM, to excuse their own ignorance, say Brexit was caused by "uneducated Northerners". 👉In 1980 1 in 10 people went to university not 5 out of 10 as it stands. Many have life experience. Do some studying for media studies etc come close? 👉If you draw a line from The Wash to the River Severn the area below that, the South, was 60% of the "Leave" vote. Only London, Oxford and Cheltenham really voted "Remain". Basically the rest of the South voted "Leave". 👉The biggest social group voting to "Leave", 59%, were the A's,B's & C1's. The working-class vote was 27%. 👉That "Scotland was dragged out of the EU against It's own will". In 2014 Scottish Referendum independance for Scotland meant leaving the EU, without blinking an eye. Scotland, Northern Ireland and London were 3 out of 4 sectors with lowest turnout. Conclusion. Brexit will have many benefits, most of them constitutionally and be rather hidden. There will be other benefits including financially. For only around a third of "Leave" voters was finance the key driver. For most countries Sovereignty out-weighs financial matters. 👉The ability to vote for your own legislature to make your own laws is paramount to at least 2/3rds of the people. Hence a main reason for Brexit.

@English_Dawn Жыл бұрын

@@o0xTHEcoPlayerx0o Well said. Greece would have been in a much better shape if it was allowed to leave the Euro and devalue. The Italian government didn't show their position fully when joining the EU. The then Greek government seeing what the Italians did, did the same. Basically there are two kinds in the Eurozone, the ants (mainly in the North and West) with industrial economies that are more likely to run a budget surplus and the grasshoppers (mainly in the South and East) with largely agrarian economies likely to run budget deficits. How they square the two? Being an unwritten constitution the biggest constitutional change since 1660 has occurred. Power rests with the people NOT the Government nor Parliament. Politicians were forced to enact legislation the majority of whom would rather avoid. This has NEVER occurred before in British history.. There will be many benefits of Brexit, which may not be obvious immediately, no realistic person ever thought they would be but the constitutional change alone was worth Brexit. 👉 The MSM have tried to portray things not going well, many things un-related to Brexit. They are aggrieved their kids can't go on "Erasmus Plus" courses or roaming-charges, passport queues. What a shame! 👉Areas of this country outside the M25 have suffered economic decline and low GDP, not for 3 years but for over a century, as far back as 1870. So does a gain or loss of 5% of GDP matter to them? Not really because they are innured to low or no growtb of GDP. Life exists outside the M25. Levelling-up. To whom? Any benefits will take probably over a century and cost billions, probably trillions, not millions. They know that. The UK is the most economically unequal country in Europe. 👉 The EU was set up by Jean Monnet as an elite instutuon. Run by elites for elites. 👉The EU Council and EU Commission are the only two bodies with legislative initiative. Neither of which are directly publically elected. 👉 Only the EU Parliament is subject to a public vote and publically accountable, and that only weakly with one M.E.P. to approximately 770, 000 voters. It has NO power of legislative initiative. 👉How many members of the public actually votes for the EU President? None. 👉It is fundamentally undemocratic and was planned to be, keeping the public at arms-length. 👉British voters do not accept that un-elected judges have more power than elected politicians. Not many voters do. 👉The EU was a post-war institution, of It's time. 👉The bigger it gets the more remote the voter and more diluted the power of each individual national state. 👉The Eurozone is a "basket-case". It is effectively the "Deutschemarkzone". Italy only got in by claiming it's debt position was better than it actually was. The then Greek government seeing that, did likewise. Hence trying to run before they can walk means high youth unemployment. 👉Britian's peak was 1870 for output. 👉Britain's peak financially, inflation-adjusted, was around 1912. 👉Cotton, upon which a lot of the North depended, last peaked in 1922. 👉Coal mining last peaked in 1910. Many British regions are not self-financing. Only London and the South East excluding London, are. Successive British governments have not been able to stem the decline. Nor Membership of the EU. It is arguable membership of the EU exacerbated the decline. How many times had Jean-Claude Juncker visited The Rhondda, Hull or Redcar? 👉Expansion eastwards of the EU would have meant less money available for poor Regions of Britain. 👉The Blob and MSM, to excuse their own ignorance, say Brexit was caused by "uneducated Northerners". 👉In 1980 1 in 10 people went to university not 5 out of 10 as it stands. Many have life experience. Do some studying for media studies etc come close? 👉If you draw a line from The Wash to the River Severn the area below that, the South, was 60% of the "Leave" vote. Only London, Oxford and Cheltenham really voted "Remain". Basically the rest of the South voted "Leave". 👉The biggest social group voting to "Leave", 59%, were the A's,B's & C1's. The working-class vote was 27%. 👉That "Scotland was dragged out of the EU against It's own will". In 2014 Scottish Referendum independance for Scotland meant leaving the EU, without blinking an eye. Scotland, Northern Ireland and London were 3 out of 4 sectors with lowest turnout. Conclusion. Brexit will have many benefits, most of them constitutionally and be rather hidden. There will be other benefits including financially. For only around a third of "Leave" voters was finance the key driver. For most countries Sovereignty out-weighs financial matters. 👉The ability to vote for your own legislature to make your own laws is paramount to at least 2/3rds of the people. Hence a main reason for Brexit.

@mt508 Жыл бұрын

@@English_Dawn A word salad worthy of a Michelin star.

@timseytiger9280 Жыл бұрын

@o0xTHEcoPlayerx0o The UK isn't Greece. It's more like the Netherlands and the Euro would suit it fine.

@napoleonibonaparte7198 Жыл бұрын

It's more that Sir Starmer is focusing on red wall voters, and solving the short term issues of Brexit while focusing on its long term. As well as the realistic situation of the EU's own reluctance to touch on rejoining because of the UK's internal squabbles.

@jarent2652 Жыл бұрын

He isn't fixing anything while outside the EU. The Tories would have done it already if it was that simple.

@selaucurry6058 Жыл бұрын

@@jarent2652 If anything the tories can't get the most basic things done so I would'nt count on that.The f'cking Greens would do a better job in gov't than them

@jdamers3829 Жыл бұрын

@@jarent2652 no cause the priti Patel/ Braverman type have a fit whenever tories talk about getting closer to the EU

@user-rq1if6bd9j Жыл бұрын

The biggest problem for the UK is it's so far off meeting thep Copenhagen criteria it couldn't see them with a telescope. Don't meet you can't join. Freedom of movement is restricted to EU and EFTA members. We can't rejoin EU and EFTA have basically told the UK to F off

@jmolofsson Жыл бұрын

@@jarent2652 and for decades to come, being outside of the EU is nothing you or Labour can change. You are where you are. Time to start working for stuff that's achievable, maybe? Undermining Labour's chances to improve people's situation only serves the interests of your enemies. When will that be understood?

@heatherrobertson6110 Жыл бұрын

The problem is that there is a big difference between the majority thinking Brexit was a mistake and the majority voting for a return to the EU in the event of another referendum. Firstly, Starmer can't make an election commitment to rejoin the EU - we have given up any rights to do anything related to the EU. All he could do is commit to holding a referendum to indicate whether or not we want to rejoin, after which the EU might - or might not - allow us back in. Assuming he did commit to a referendum, think about how toxic would the debate around it be. We'd be straight back to the dark days of 2018/2019 (and personally I am firmly of the opinion that Johnson won the 2019 election so convincingly because people were simply sick of the debate). I imagine a significant number of voters would be turned off Labour just because they had re-opened this can of worms, regardless of how they feel about the EU. Secondly, how many of those people who want to rejoin the EU would feel the same if we have to adopt the Euro? Or join Schengen? Finally, think about how disastrous it would be if a second referendum was held and 'rejoin' lost. We would scupper our chances of getting back in for decades. Starmer is right to steer clear of the debate. If Labour get into power they can work on improving our relations with Europe and perhaps when progress has been made on that front they can make the case that we would be better off within the EU. But I wouldn't expect that to happen for several years yet.

@thedon8772 Жыл бұрын

Several hundred years.

@peterebel7899 Жыл бұрын

There is ZERO chance to rejoin within decades. Fix your state and mindset first!

@jakeblair4215 Жыл бұрын

Power for powers sake. So much more deep rot in this country that isn't spoken about. No written constitution, knee jerk politics and FPTP system with a deregulated mass owned media and a weak electorate = disaster

@derekardito2032 11 ай бұрын

It will be overa century before All the other nation members would contemplate letting the UK rejoin after the personal insults and lies the UK has said about every single nation and collecting of them as members.

@andrewshort331 Жыл бұрын

I understand that the EU has already made clear that it will not contemplate a re-join dialogue until all major polkitical parties in the UK agree on that policy. Labour cannot therefore unilaterally get us back in. They are trying to tread a rational path to soften the worst excesses of the hard Brexit until we can re-join. Re-adoption of agreed standards and other alignments will ease the problems, and the return path when it becomes feasible.

@English_Dawn Жыл бұрын

Being an unwritten constitution the biggest constitutional change since 1660 has occurred. Power rests with the people NOT the Government nor Parliament. Politicians were forced to enact legislation the majority of whom would rather avoid. This has NEVER occurred before in British history.. There will be many benefits of Brexit, which may not be obvious immediately, no realistic person ever thought they would be but the constitutional change alone was worth Brexit. 👉 The MSM have tried to portray things not going well, many things un-related to Brexit. They are aggrieved their kids can't go on "Erasmus Plus" courses or roaming-charges, passport queues. What a shame! 👉Areas of this country outside the M25 have suffered economic decline and low GDP, not for 3 years but for over a century, as far back as 1870. So does a gain or loss of 5% of GDP matter to them? Not really because they are innured to low or no growtb of GDP. Life exists outside the M25. Levelling-up. To whom? Any benefits will take probably over a century and cost billions, probably trillions, not millions. They know that. The UK is the most economically unequal country in Europe. 👉 The EU was set up by Jean Monnet as an elite instutuon. Run by elites for elites. 👉The EU Council and EU Commission are the only two bodies with legislative initiative. Neither of which are directly publically elected. 👉 Only the EU Parliament is subject to a public vote and publically accountable, and that only weakly with one M.E.P. to approximately 770, 000 voters. It has NO power of legislative initiative. 👉How many members of the public actually votes for the EU President? None. 👉It is fundamentally undemocratic and was planned to be, keeping the public at arms-length. 👉British voters do not accept that un-elected judges have more power than elected politicians. Not many voters do. 👉The EU was a post-war institution, of It's time. 👉The bigger it gets the more remote the voter and more diluted the power of each individual national state. 👉The Eurozone is a "basket-case". It is effectively the "Deutschemarkzone". Italy only got in by claiming it's debt position was better than it actually was. The then Greek government seeing that, did likewise. Hence trying to run before they can walk means high youth unemployment. 👉Britian's peak was 1870 for output. 👉Britain's peak financially, inflation-adjusted, was around 1912. 👉Cotton, upon which a lot of the North depended, last peaked in 1922. 👉Coal mining last peaked in 1910. Many British regions are not self-financing. Only London and the South East excluding London, are. Successive British governments have not been able to stem the decline. Nor Membership of the EU. It is arguable membership of the EU exacerbated the decline. How many times had Jean-Claude Juncker visited The Rhondda, Hull or Redcar? 👉Expansion eastwards of the EU would have meant less money available for poor Regions of Britain. 👉The Blob and MSM, to excuse their own ignorance, say Brexit was caused by "uneducated Northerners". 👉In 1980 1 in 10 people went to university not 5 out of 10 as it stands. Many have life experience. Do some studying for media studies etc come close? 👉If you draw a line from The Wash to the River Severn the area below that, the South, was 60% of the "Leave" vote. Only London, Oxford and Cheltenham really voted "Remain". Basically the rest of the South voted "Leave". 👉The biggest social group voting to "Leave", 59%, were the A's,B's & C1's. The working-class vote was 27%. 👉That "Scotland was dragged out of the EU against It's own will". In 2014 Scottish Referendum independance for Scotland meant leaving the EU, without blinking an eye. Scotland, Northern Ireland and London were 3 out of 4 sectors with lowest turnout. Conclusion. Brexit will have many benefits, most of them constitutionally and be rather hidden. There will be other benefits including financially. For only around a third of "Leave" voters was finance the key driver. For most countries Sovereignty out-weighs financial matters. 👉The ability to vote for your own legislature to make your own laws is paramount to at least 2/3rds of the people. Hence a main reason for Brexit.

@paul1979uk2000 Жыл бұрын

If I was the EU, I wouldn't let the UK in unless there is a big shift from the public, media and political parties in how they see the EU project, after all, why would the EU want us back in with all the baggage and trouble the UK causes? So realistically, we are talking decades before the UK can rejoin, from the EU side, they are not going to let us back in for at least 2 decades, and on the UK side, there needs to be enough transformation that we become more pro EU. Realistically, building stronger relations with the EU, maybe even joining the single market and custom union is a better option with rejoining the EU a longer term goal, if the UK builds on it's relations with the EU and it's members, it will become easier to join at some point, but it's going to be some time off. After all, from the EU's point of view, they see Brexit as a good thing, it's turning a lot more people in the EU and even in the UK into being more pro EU, it's also showing the UK as an example to not follow to other members, in some sense, the EU kinda had it's cake and eat it, whereas the UK has been in demise ever since, lurching from one mess after another.

@fitzstv8506 Жыл бұрын

@@English_Dawn Brexit has had and will never have any benefits for the people of the UK. Your comment was long winded and contained some interesting points but the basic fact that brexit is damaging the UK will not change.

@JeroenJA Жыл бұрын

@@paul1979uk2000 depends, if you had yet an other lettuce PM , moods COULD change rather quickly too ;)

@brachiator1 Жыл бұрын

@@English_Dawn The UK no longer has an empire from which it can extract wealth. It can be as independent and sovereign as it wants to be, and will continue its economic decline. It is telling that the UK left the EU but is desperate to find some other trading bloc to join. Meanwhile, Australia mocks the EU for a trade deal which nets Britain nothing significant.

@tomgedney101 Жыл бұрын

The EU won't allow us back in until (and it's when not if) the tories are also in favour of rejoining. While british democracy (forgive the oxymoron) is in the state it's in the EU would fear that the tories would throw their proverbial toys out the pram if the get reelected. Ergo it makes no sense for Labour to be pro rejoining the EU unless the tories are on side. It'll probably be them that calls for it if they lose two consecutive GEs

@English_Dawn Жыл бұрын

Being an unwritten constitution the biggest constitutional change since 1660 has occurred. Power rests with the people NOT the Government nor Parliament. Politicians were forced to enact legislation the majority of whom would rather avoid. This has NEVER occurred before in British history.. There will be many benefits of Brexit, which may not be obvious immediately, no realistic person ever thought they would be but the constitutional change alone was worth Brexit. 👉 The MSM have tried to portray things not going well, many things un-related to Brexit. They are aggrieved their kids can't go on "Erasmus Plus" courses or roaming-charges, passport queues. What a shame! 👉Areas of this country outside the M25 have suffered economic decline and low GDP, not for 3 years but for over a century, as far back as 1870. So does a gain or loss of 5% of GDP matter to them? Not really because they are innured to low or no growtb of GDP. Life exists outside the M25. Levelling-up. To whom? Any benefits will take probably over a century and cost billions, probably trillions, not millions. They know that. The UK is the most economically unequal country in Europe. 👉 The EU was set up by Jean Monnet as an elite instutuon. Run by elites for elites. 👉The EU Council and EU Commission are the only two bodies with legislative initiative. Neither of which are directly publically elected. 👉 Only the EU Parliament is subject to a public vote and publically accountable, and that only weakly with one M.E.P. to approximately 770, 000 voters. It has NO power of legislative initiative. 👉How many members of the public actually votes for the EU President? None. 👉It is fundamentally undemocratic and was planned to be, keeping the public at arms-length. 👉British voters do not accept that un-elected judges have more power than elected politicians. Not many voters do. 👉The EU was a post-war institution, of It's time. 👉The bigger it gets the more remote the voter and more diluted the power of each individual national state. 👉The Eurozone is a "basket-case". It is effectively the "Deutschemarkzone". Italy only got in by claiming it's debt position was better than it actually was. The then Greek government seeing that, did likewise. Hence trying to run before they can walk means high youth unemployment. 👉Britian's peak was 1870 for output. 👉Britain's peak financially, inflation-adjusted, was around 1912. 👉Cotton, upon which a lot of the North depended, last peaked in 1922. 👉Coal mining last peaked in 1910. Many British regions are not self-financing. Only London and the South East excluding London, are. Successive British governments have not been able to stem the decline. Nor Membership of the EU. It is arguable membership of the EU exacerbated the decline. How many times had Jean-Claude Juncker visited The Rhondda, Hull or Redcar? 👉Expansion eastwards of the EU would have meant less money available for poor Regions of Britain. 👉The Blob and MSM, to excuse their own ignorance, say Brexit was caused by "uneducated Northerners". 👉In 1980 1 in 10 people went to university not 5 out of 10 as it stands. Many have life experience. Do some studying for media studies etc come close? 👉If you draw a line from The Wash to the River Severn the area below that, the South, was 60% of the "Leave" vote. Only London, Oxford and Cheltenham really voted "Remain". Basically the rest of the South voted "Leave". 👉The biggest social group voting to "Leave", 59%, were the A's,B's & C1's. The working-class vote was 27%. 👉That "Scotland was dragged out of the EU against It's own will". In 2014 Scottish Referendum independance for Scotland meant leaving the EU, without blinking an eye. Scotland, Northern Ireland and London were 3 out of 4 sectors with lowest turnout. Conclusion. Brexit will have many benefits, most of them constitutionally and be rather hidden. There will be other benefits including financially. For only around a third of "Leave" voters was finance the key driver. For most countries Sovereignty out-weighs financial matters. 👉The ability to vote for your own legislature to make your own laws is paramount to at least 2/3rds of the people. Hence a main reason for Brexit.

@ietomos7634 Жыл бұрын

The word Brussels runs through the tories like a stick of rock. Need I remind you they spent £9million of public funds on pro-EU propaganda? Ironically, Corbyn is a brexiteer. Labour or tories it makes no difference, they will pander to the majority view as opposed to standing on principle.

@hamzaibrahim3352 10 ай бұрын

ur dumbn@@English_Dawn

@johncook2303 Жыл бұрын

If i was in Starmer's shoes I think I would take a similar approach. the Labour party has been out of power a long long time and it doesn't want to enter government with an already long list of issues to deal with and then poke the BREXIT fire again which would in turn suck the political energy from the room, better to get in and then slowly creep closer to the EU over time, thus appeasing the remainers. It is also worth mentioning that many pro BREXIT folks feel that the entire establishment (conservative party included) do not ( did not) really want BREXIT which is in turn slowly splitting the Tory party as seen recently at the national Conservative conference. I suspect many pro BREXIT Tories want this version of conservatism gone so they can re-build a new version ready for the next election. Starmer has a very difficult path to negotiate between two very partisan groups at the fringe but with many in middle who just want enough money to pay their bills, have a job and raise their families, in that sense he's right to pursue those who do not scream loudest from the political fringe and for whom BREXIT is but one issue in a difficult world.

@petekdemircioglu Жыл бұрын

Yes. Normal people.

@The_Phoenix_Saga Жыл бұрын

@@petekdemircioglu If you're referring to the people in the middle, OP refers to: you mean sellouts with no thoughts of their own.

@darroncharlesworth6980 Жыл бұрын

Bit of a problem. One can't talk about the economy without acknowledging the devastating impact of Brexit.

@greyghost2492 Жыл бұрын

So are we just going to forget that COVID-19 and the resulting lockdown ever happened?

@finntran1672 Жыл бұрын

@@greyghost2492 that also happened but it only exacerbate what Brexit created. Every other G7 economies have recovered post-Covid except for the UK…because Brexit is then root cause

@Skoged8365 Жыл бұрын

@@finntran1672 Germany (who recently entered into recession) is also below its pre-pandemic GDP. Most of Britain's current issues are shared by other European countries, and the Eurozone as a whole has technically entered into a recession, so if Brexit really has negatively affected the UK's growth, then it hasn't been by any great amount.

@EllieD.Violet Жыл бұрын

@@Skoged8365 Germany GDP 2019 = 3,473 Germany GDP 2022 = 3,867bn Break out your calculator.

@liandrysanguishinshin7955 Жыл бұрын

@@Skoged8365 you pulled this out of your ass, the EU is doing significantly better than the UK, and Germany has literally gained 400 million in its gdp compared to 2019

@lupolinar Жыл бұрын

It is mind boggling, that it took some Brits this long to realise that they were lied to, about how fabulous Brexit will be.

@English_Dawn Жыл бұрын

Being an unwritten constitution the biggest constitutional change since 1660 has occurred. Power rests with the people NOT the Government nor Parliament. Politicians were forced to enact legislation the majority of whom would rather avoid. This has NEVER occurred before in British history.. There will be many benefits of Brexit, which may not be obvious immediately, no realistic person ever thought they would be but the constitutional change alone was worth Brexit. 👉 The MSM have tried to portray things not going well, many things un-related to Brexit. They are aggrieved their kids can't go on "Erasmus Plus" courses or roaming-charges, passport queues. What a shame! 👉Areas of this country outside the M25 have suffered economic decline and low GDP, not for 3 years but for over a century, as far back as 1870. So does a gain or loss of 5% of GDP matter to them? Not really because they are innured to low or no growtb of GDP. Life exists outside the M25. Levelling-up. To whom? Any benefits will take probably over a century and cost billions, probably trillions, not millions. They know that. The UK is the most economically unequal country in Europe. 👉 The EU was set up by Jean Monnet as an elite instutuon. Run by elites for elites. 👉The EU Council and EU Commission are the only two bodies with legislative initiative. Neither of which are directly publically elected. 👉 Only the EU Parliament is subject to a public vote and publically accountable, and that only weakly with one M.E.P. to approximately 770, 000 voters. It has NO power of legislative initiative. 👉How many members of the public actually votes for the EU President? None. 👉It is fundamentally undemocratic and was planned to be, keeping the public at arms-length. 👉British voters do not accept that un-elected judges have more power than elected politicians. Not many voters do. 👉The EU was a post-war institution, of It's time. 👉The bigger it gets the more remote the voter and more diluted the power of each individual national state. 👉The Eurozone is a "basket-case". It is effectively the "Deutschemarkzone". Italy only got in by claiming it's debt position was better than it actually was. The then Greek government seeing that, did likewise. Hence trying to run before they can walk means high youth unemployment. 👉Britian's peak was 1870 for output. 👉Britain's peak financially, inflation-adjusted, was around 1912. 👉Cotton, upon which a lot of the North depended, last peaked in 1922. 👉Coal mining last peaked in 1910. Many British regions are not self-financing. Only London and the South East excluding London, are. Successive British governments have not been able to stem the decline. Nor Membership of the EU. It is arguable membership of the EU exacerbated the decline. How many times had Jean-Claude Juncker visited The Rhondda, Hull or Redcar? 👉Expansion eastwards of the EU would have meant less money available for poor Regions of Britain. 👉The Blob and MSM, to excuse their own ignorance, say Brexit was caused by "uneducated Northerners". 👉In 1980 1 in 10 people went to university not 5 out of 10 as it stands. Many have life experience. Do some studying for media studies etc come close? 👉If you draw a line from The Wash to the River Severn the area below that, the South, was 60% of the "Leave" vote. Only London, Oxford and Cheltenham really voted "Remain". Basically the rest of the South voted "Leave". 👉The biggest social group voting to "Leave", 59%, were the A's,B's & C1's. The working-class vote was 27%. 👉That "Scotland was dragged out of the EU against It's own will". In 2014 Scottish Referendum independance for Scotland meant leaving the EU, without blinking an eye. Scotland, Northern Ireland and London were 3 out of 4 sectors with lowest turnout. Conclusion. Brexit will have many benefits, most of them constitutionally and be rather hidden. There will be other benefits including financially. For only around a third of "Leave" voters was finance the key driver. For most countries Sovereignty out-weighs financial matters. 👉The ability to vote for your own legislature to make your own laws is paramount to at least 2/3rds of the people. Hence a main reason for Brexit.

@DashCamSheffield Жыл бұрын

it was clear from the beginning, but there are people who will always believe snake oil salesmen

@davidpryle3935 Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t call Mick Lynch and the RMT, snake oil salesmen.

@JeroenJA Жыл бұрын

@@DashCamSheffield i thought it was largely a 'make britain great again' campaign, insinuation UK would refind it's grandiousness from it's colonial superpower era? :)

@lupolinar Жыл бұрын

@@English_Dawn ..and you actually believe this? How are your food, electric and gas prices? How is the rent and mortage in the UK? "You" achieved quite a bit. Oh, and "you" made a nice pro Australian deal, which benefits almost no one from the UK and will costs you your farm lands.

@DRKrust492 Жыл бұрын

I doubt the EU would accept the UK back until at least a generation has passed.

@peterebel7899 Жыл бұрын

Britain does not fulfill the membership criteria.

@hamzaibrahim3352 10 ай бұрын

what is that @@peterebel7899

@samsurchoudhury324 Жыл бұрын

It's easy to rule something out that can't happen. for instance: I officially rule myself out from a romantic relationship with Dua Lipa....

@prrrromotiongiven1075 Жыл бұрын

Firstly, turning the next election into another "brexit election" would be a blunder as this would help the Tories. The Tories are currently far more unpopular than brexit. Secondly, Starmer isn't even able to promise this as the EU have said they don't want to talk about us rejoining unless the issue is politically settled, as in all major parties agree they want to rejoin (which could easily take decades with how high that bar sounds to me).

@sawtooth808 Жыл бұрын

Not if you intrinsically link Brexit to the Tories. The Tories bought that broken pony (Brexit) and now they should be made to ride it. The Tories will wear Brexit for a long long time.

@jmolofsson Жыл бұрын

@@sawtooth808 Labour needs to acknowledge its responsibility for the events in 2019, from voting with the anti-European ERG against ratification of the negotiated Withdrawal Agreement to supporting snap elections in December gifting the ERG an 80-seats majority.

@Pironious Жыл бұрын

If you're expecting Starmer to take a position noticably different from traditional conservative positions, you'll be sorely disappointed.

@anitagorse9204 Жыл бұрын

So basically you have moderate Tories and conservative Tories. Tough choice. :)

@benmaxwell115 Жыл бұрын

The traditional conservative opinion was to create and join the EU. It is only the modern conservative populist movement that supported leaving it. Traditional conservatism revolves around businesses, trade and low labour costs -> so free trade & migrant workers fit the bill perfectly, if people within your own country don't want to work for a low salary, import other people who will. That was the conservative view.

@rupertmiller4718 Жыл бұрын

@@secretname4190 That sadly is complete nonsense. Both parties are actually controlled by a relatively small number of bigoted little englanders, the rest of us don't get much say thanks to our ridiculous electoral system. Older, poorly educated and just a teeny bit racist; ther only difference really is whether they have any money or not.Both parties are now high tax parties and ultimaterlyu Labout will spend it unwisely just as the Tories have done.

@SlowhandGreg Жыл бұрын

The 2 parties are fundamentally different in their economic view From the last budget 2 billion tax break for millionaire pensioners (opposed by Labour if needed would target NHS consultants only) 6 billion in subsidies to the fossil industry on top of the 75 billion they already have got from the government in tax deductions (opposed) 8 Billion bankers tax break (opposed) Windfall tax (Tory Joke will not be paid by fossil companies) set at 35% Opposed Labour would collect @ 75% (on an expected 170 billion over 2 years) That's not far short of 150 billion differences in one budget alone

@andreasottohansen7338 Жыл бұрын

Because that is what wins in the broken system that is the UK.

@martinhommel9967 Жыл бұрын

The UK may not be welcome in the EU? Why is this aspect never discussed?

@EllieD.Violet Жыл бұрын

Because they are BRITISH and hence expect their underlings in the EU to simply roll out the red carpet and kiss their British feet 🙄

@ce1834 Жыл бұрын

because the prospect of the public voting to remain is almost non-existent in the first place, no party would commit to opening that can of worms again

@pragueuprising560 Жыл бұрын

Because until the question of whether or not the UK wants to rejoin is close to being resolved, the question of whether or not the EU would accept is moot. I think the EU refusing to accept the UK would be snatching defeat from the jaws of victory though. It would be good for the EU's economy and a massive political victory for the block. The countries saying they would veto would almost certainly withdraw in exchange for concessions in their own favour too, because helping out themselves is more beneficial than forcing the UK out.

@EllieD.Violet Жыл бұрын

@@pragueuprising560 Actually many an EU member profits from brexit. As does the EU as a whole. So no - keeping the UK out is the way to go. Greetings from the EU

@pragueuprising560 Жыл бұрын

@@EllieD.Violet I appreciate that spite may be a good enough reason to keep the UK out of the EU for you, but I am not sure why any EU member state would outright refuse to negotiate because of it. Even if Brexit is advantageous to you, by refusing to negotiate you cannot possibly gain anything more. Things are as good as they can possibly be. By negotiating, you can demand additional concessions in return. If you cannot get anything better than what you have, you can still veto. Refusing to negotiate is a stupid position for this reason. You are cutting off your nose to spite your face.

@chrisdevine4848 Жыл бұрын

I think ultimately Labour knows that remain voters will vote for them regardless of their EU policy, just to get the Tories out of power. But the Brexit voters are a funny lot. Simply, they'd cut of their nose to spite their face. Labour needs to keep them sweet. Only when the Tory's themselves start talking about rejoining, will Labour risk ever making it official policy.

@chrisdevine4848 Жыл бұрын

@@Buckets1000 - any application to rejoin is likely decades away. No one can predict what the EU's stance will be at that time.

@AthrunWilshire Жыл бұрын

No. The reason they lost many of the seats up North that were traditionally Labour supporting during a time when the Tories were universally lambasted, only came about because Labour couldn't commit to leaving the EU and that scared a lot of people who voted for Brexit to vote for a party they disliked because they were doubling down on leaving. If Labour had doubled down on leaving back then then the last general election would have been very different, I think. The biggest issue that younger people face is that they do not know how to seek information outside of their bubble as they only socialise online and within their age group (myself included most of the time). The internet tailors your feed to show you information which is preferential to you and not necessarily a reflection of reality. The EU won't take the risk of letting us back in, at least not for another generation (and even then it's unlikely). And if we did join then we wouldn't have any of the unique exceptions such as using the pound over the Euro.

@hamzaibrahim3352 10 ай бұрын

disagree about the end but agree with the beginning. the UK will eventually rejoin the EU its too obvious. we would probably have to use the euro

@Kaizen917 Жыл бұрын

I would like to think that it doesnt matter at this point. Even when I admit that Brexit was a totally bats*** crazy move by the UK, I would rather not see any of the EU leadership be soft towards the UK trying to join back in. Too much trouble.

@lochnessmunster1189 9 ай бұрын

What's the point of the EU, that cannot be achieved by a true free market?

@andrewrice9362 Жыл бұрын

As someone who is more left and voted remain I think the majority on the left will still vote for him (or in my case strategically Lib Dem) regardless of his purging of left wing MP's and representatives, and his conservatism on Brexit and that's purely because of the Conservatives. Although the SNP are in a bad phase they still hold a fair amount of constituencies and so the margin for error is pretty slim even with the Conservatives polling behind. Its incredibly frustrating as Labour in its current form are closer ideologically to the modern liberal democrats of the 90's than they are left and so there is little representation out there for left wing voters because the voting population doesn't really understand were they sit ideologically. We can see this when Corbyn was in power the centrist labour members completely did everything they could to undermine him from the very start (before the anti-Semitic fiasco which Corbyn is responsible ). If you look back when ever there was a centrist leader the left voted for them even if it was against their principles ideologically, because there was no other choice. This country is much more diverse and fragmented ideologically than the polling suggests, we don't have any representation in government that is proportional to our beliefs and until we get PR then we will continue to be divided as a society

@sawtooth808 Жыл бұрын

Jeremy Corbyn was a Brexiter as well.

@andrewrice9362 Жыл бұрын

@@sawtooth808 I know that and I didn't agree with on it. Just as I agree with Mick Lynch on a lot of his stances but not on Brexit. But the left wing Brexiteers are not the same as Right wing Brexiteers although some of their grievances overlap.

@natenae8635 Жыл бұрын

@@andrewrice9362 So why did you call Starmer Conservative on brexit when Brexit can be both Left and right in politics.

@andrewrice9362 Жыл бұрын

@@natenae8635 conservative as in the term not the party. He’s not willing to do anything radical that might dissuade a lot of the Brexit supporters from voting for him, like advocate for a referendum or join the customs union

@mike747436 Жыл бұрын

We’re screwed unless or until some politicians start being honest about our situation outside the EU. Not much sign of that from either side.

@justonecornetto80 Жыл бұрын

Stop wetting your knickers and look at what`s happening to the global economy. The EU isn`t the only game in town anymore and the UK has just joined the CPTPP which has half of the emerging economies of Asia queuing up to join it.

@mike747436 Жыл бұрын

Leaving aside your self defeating attempt at belittlement, you’ll no doubt be aware that the zUK govt’s own assessment of CPTPP membership adds 0.08% to GDP., verses the £100b annual hit from Brexit.

@justonecornetto80 Жыл бұрын

@@mike747436 If you`re going to look at it from current trade levels maybe but let`s not forget that the UK`s greatest export is services and with CPTPP members all signing digital economy agreements with each other that fall outside the second to none clauses in their FTAs with the EU, so the UK is going to have a significant advantage with regard to accessing the rapidly expanding middle class market across Asia and Mexico etc and that my friend is going to be worth substantially more than 0.08% of GDP. Another thing of note is that many European economists are recommending that the EU itself joins the CPTPP to grease the wheels in decoupling from China and the UK will have a veto on that which will mean the EU will have to roll back on significant areas of its Brexit bloody mindedness.

@mike747436 Жыл бұрын

Of course we could have had both had we remained in the EU. It’s self evident to me that Brexit has harmed the UK, both economically and reputationally, and I believe that more people are coming to the same conclusion, but I guess we’re not going to agree about that.

@mike747436 Жыл бұрын

As an afterthought, who do you imagine the CPTPP will favour should it be a choice between UK or EU?

@cjmhall Жыл бұрын

Interesting times when it’s impossible to distinguish Labour’s current Brexit policies from UKIP’s in 2016.

@richardgallagher4880 Жыл бұрын

How cam anyone think different when e3u has marched on Moscow and Bank rupted the west?🤭🤣🤣🤣

@baz1184 Жыл бұрын

If you think that them you are completely politically illiterate. Labour have so clearly been making policy moves which would align the UK much closer with the EU.

@ce1834 Жыл бұрын

Brexit happened, whether we like it or not, causing that much turmoil and uncertainty to rejoin would be electoral suicide for Labour (the public would not vote to rejoin either without our opt outs and increasing federalisation) - we left and that should be accepted at least for the next few decades

@markwelch3564 Жыл бұрын

@@ce1834 acknowleged, yes. Accepted? Nope 🙂

@StormShadowHarris 11 ай бұрын

@@ce1834 I acknowledge that the council has made a decision... but given that it's a stupid-ass decision, i've elected to ignore it.

@me0101001000 Жыл бұрын

For the love of God, yes

@gameofender4463 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely not. What’s done is done. Can’t keep going back and forth. It’s not worth it.

@josephbanatlao6461 Жыл бұрын

This assumes that the EU wants Britain back, from how things are going the EU seems to have become more streamlined with out the Brits complaining all the time

@EnordAreven Жыл бұрын

Whether or not they SHOULD is very different from what Starmer WANTS his party to do...

@PostAtariGeneration Жыл бұрын

UK is going to end up like Norway or Switzerland. Them dancing around the issue like they do is just waste of time and everyone's money.

@marinusvos Жыл бұрын

@@Buckets1000 Nope, they are in EFTA/EEA and Schengen.

@peterebel7899 Жыл бұрын

@@marinusvos The Schengen issue is the vaccine ensuring Englanders not to be infected with the Chronicle Cherry Picking Syndrome again.

@user-rq1if6bd9j Жыл бұрын

@@marinusvoswhich are both out for the UK.

@tombo416 Жыл бұрын

The UK leaving the EU is up there among the WORST country decisions 😂 I’d say only Ukraine giving their nukes back to Russia was worse

@JS-pb2qf Жыл бұрын

The election of Trump is up there.

@java_siege_ Жыл бұрын

Ukraine couldn’t afford to maintain the nukes and couldn’t use them.

@taipizzalord4463 Жыл бұрын

The nuclear codes were in Moscow anyway so it was useless to them.

@richardgallagher4880 Жыл бұрын

Speaking of, how is ucrane since they remained?

@richardgallagher4880 Жыл бұрын

It was a staggering success. Cope

@nautilusshell4969 Жыл бұрын

Erm, people seem to forget that re-joining the EU OR the EEA would necessitate the active participation of....the EU. It's not clear that they'd have us back. Just a thought.

@Iskelderon 11 ай бұрын

Re-introduce a malignant cancer that was already spreading to other member states? As long as the veto or even just a castrated version exists, there's a snowball's chance in hell of the UK being allowed back in.

@essexexile Жыл бұрын

The biggest issue was the freedom of movement. Decades of net immigration and not keeping up with the housing demand has made it so difficult to get either a mortgage or rent somewhere at a decent price.

@venmis137 Жыл бұрын

They will, eventually, but now is not the right time. There is a path to rejoining, but it necessitates somewhat of a political revolution here in the UK. The first step is to oust the tories (and if possible, cripple them for the foreseeable future). Then we can start talking about the next steps.

@gameofender4463 Жыл бұрын

“Cripple your political opponents”? Yeah that sounds progressive, liberal and democratic.

@venmis137 Жыл бұрын

@@gameofender4463 I'm not arguing for progressivism, liberalism, and democracy in this case. I'm arguing that the tories need to be rendered electorally impotent for decades. They are completely incompetent. All respectable elements have been purged by Johnson, there's no point in entertaining them as an opposition anymore. It would be better if they were confined to the Far Right space and the Lib-Dems (or a splinter party) moved into the Centre-right to operate as the new opposition. Personally I would like to proscribe a good number of tory party members and tory donors. But that's a little extreme for modern british politics, and tbh probably goes beyond what is in the country's best interest.

@venmis137 Жыл бұрын

@@Buckets1000 are you a bot or something? The way you speak is very peculiar. Then again, these days bots are so good that maybe if you're speaking so strangely it makes you more likely to be human.

@marinusvos Жыл бұрын

"There is a path to rejoining," And that path will take approx. 20 years a.k.a. a generation, if the UK's application doesn't get vetoed!

@eddiecalderone Жыл бұрын

@@Buckets1000 Sorry Michael but the eu flag is not a national flag, as in few individuals seem to have a massive kinship with the eu flag over their own national flag like for example Italy, Spain, france, Croatia or Austria

@marceloarmando2257 Жыл бұрын

The EU would be insane to welcome the UK back. Best to avoid proposals already poised to be rejected

@gamewithadam7235 Жыл бұрын

No. Let's move on from it now please. I don't want to go back to another 5 years of it.

@gamewithadam7235 Жыл бұрын

@@seang2700 I'm talking about 2016-21. About everything being blamed on Brexit. Or people just being divided over it and seeing it everywhere on the media. I didn't say the issue didn't exist before. It was not as prevalent or divisive until the referendum. That's what happens when you give people a choice over something that the majority aren't well informed of.

@AgentGreyFox Жыл бұрын

Starmer doesn't want to risk losing some of Labour's base who largely voted for Brexit. A sad state for the Economy and its people really.

@justus4341 Жыл бұрын

I think that it is too early to discuss joining the European Union. Currently the short term impacts have been disastrous. However, the economic situation could be very different in 10 years time.

@markwelch3564 Жыл бұрын

If there's going to be benefits in ten years, we need investment and a ten year plan. Where's the plan?

@doghat1619 Жыл бұрын

@@Buckets1000 Do you think CAPITALIZING random WORDS makes you SEEM more INTELLIGENT. It just MAKES you SEEM like a SCHIZO.

@kratchet559 Жыл бұрын

@@markwelch3564 didn't you know? its part of leveling the leveling up of the leveling up plan.

@ramel684 Жыл бұрын

After adopting marginally less nasty versions of every major Tory policy, what is the point of voting Labour beyond "Tories bad"?

@MorningNapalm Жыл бұрын

Voting against the tories is already a huge win, so it is a winning strategy, if somewhat boring.

@JeroenJA Жыл бұрын

lol, it stays strange to me to imagine such a 2 party system... due to a winner takes all voting system.. as in the USA .. multiparty has it's disadvantages too, that government can be harder to form, with a lot more compromissen.. but.. i surely wouldn't want to switch system :). here we can signal to be really fed up with the traditionnal parties to slowly let them fall in votes in several election cyclus, in witch some of the little parties can become big.. and the compromise garanties nobody can totally change the system, or decide to just leave Europa for example, one option is unlikely 3/4th majority in parlement, for something so profound to pass with a smaller majority they have to open up clearly the possibility, afterward an entire election pass over it, and only the new elected government can decide.. While at same time, covid showed the system could temp allow profound intervention due to a certain special circumstance, but first 3/4th op parlement had to agree to give out that permeation !

@ramel684 Жыл бұрын

@@MorningNapalm But the thing is that on many issues that matter to me, including brexit, LGBTQ issues, racism in immigration law (I have a non-native partner), and re-nationalisation, Labour has adopted so many Tory positions that they no longer look any different.

@MorningNapalm Жыл бұрын

@@ramel684 In one aspect they are definitely different: labour doesn't have all the freaks the tories do. It is shocking how many crackpot politicians have made their way into office via the tories these last few years. I don't find labour policies any better than the tories' on most counts, but I would still never vote tory, but would vote labour in a pinch. The tories have wrecked so much in the last decade or so.

@jmolofsson Жыл бұрын

@@ramel684 if you think a Tory-majority is preferable for the two of you, then go ahead an work for yet another Labour loss. This is exactly how democracy is supposed to work. And if you think PR would be better for the UK, there's no use whining, just organize and promote!

@IamStrqngx Жыл бұрын

Yes

@gameofender4463 Жыл бұрын

No. We’ve just finished going through brexit and you want to do it all over again? Are you serious?

@IamStrqngx Жыл бұрын

@@gameofender4463 problems need to be fixed, not allowed to fester for decades to come.

@gameofender4463 Жыл бұрын

@@IamStrqngx You’re not solving any problems by having another divisive, bitter referendum. Don’t be ridiculous. At best you’re replacing old problems with new ones. At worst, you’re just adding more problems to the pile. So no, what’s done is done. And it’s about time we all moved on.

@alizaidi2893 Жыл бұрын

@@gameofender4463 funny how all talk of the "will of the people" is now dying when polling is showing more uk voters rejoing the EU

@gameofender4463 Жыл бұрын

@@alizaidi2893 But it’s not worth dividing the country again. Seeing as how normal people, that is to say people not always on Twitter. Are done with Brexit and have more important things to think about and are fine to let it go.

@YellowfinGrouper Жыл бұрын

I don’t think Starmer is being cautious on Brexit. He is slapping Remainers in the face.

@tsuchan Жыл бұрын

7:42 I was shocked to see the TLDR team wearing suits. (Not in a good way.) 😕

@Uneducatedopinion57 Жыл бұрын

I have a feeling that the smaller parties will slowly get wiped out completely

@brianferguson7840 Жыл бұрын

The U.K. were never a supporter of the true European Ideal. Unless and until britain can convince ALL 27member states that their readdmision would not cause the same problems in the future, you are staying OUT. Some states such as Hungary and Poland have said they will always veto U.K. membership. Certainly future membership would include no privileges or rebates and instant acceptance of the Euro.

@thedon8772 Жыл бұрын

Not just Poland/ Hungry what about France, Ireland, Belgium, Spain, Holland!! The UK will never rejoin the EU, maybe in 100 years time?

@sorin_channel Жыл бұрын

I don't think it really makes sense to consider what "Hungary" or "Poland" said. You can have Orban government say that and you can have the next government to say the exact opposite so...

@brianferguson7840 Жыл бұрын

@@sorin_channel 14 states in all have publicly stated their opposition to the UK's ever rejoining. European Union is clearly and demonstrably better without britain. Even here in France your nearest neighbour we are glad you're gone. It's certainly rid us of any and all Frexit campaigners.

@Wozza365 Жыл бұрын

lol tbf I'm not sure we should be taking anything from Hungarian or Polish politicians on this. If any other country leaves the EU it will be one of them getting kicked out.

@lesskeels3417 Жыл бұрын

Well said Mr Ferguson. These people are NOT our "friends". Acquaintances, yes. The closest we've got to friends are Norway, who've sent us a Christmas tree for Trafalgar Square every year, Sweden (very good interpersonal relations), Switzerland, who like us cherish true nationhood, Malta, who always welcome us as visitors to their sun-kissed island, and at a pinch, maybe Italy, and as rank outsiders, France. We are linked by the Channel Tunnel, after all. All the others are the acquaintances, people I would never term "true friends". Our real friends are all our English-speaking nations, viz. America, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, people we know well and have historical connections with (stands to reason).

@barbarianlife 11 ай бұрын

What a mess. Why did we even have a referendum to begin with!

@ditnooitweer 10 ай бұрын

When the 2 major parties do the opposite of what the people wish, you're pretty much screwed.

@Renamatic Жыл бұрын

I’m so conflicted, I will never vote Tory ever, but Labour under wishy-washy Starmer does not make me want to vote for them either. I think I will go Green again.

@leonbanks5728 Жыл бұрын

Wasted vote under FPTP. Vote for who can get The Tories out in your constituency.

@HappyGingerWolf Жыл бұрын

@@leonbanks5728 the labour party members, MPs, and unions, voted overwhelming for proportional representation and voting reform, but starmer said he would not do it under any circumstances. He needs to face consquences for going against the will of his party and the people, or nothing will change

@leonbanks5728 Жыл бұрын

@@HappyGingerWolf We had a referendum on the matter 12 years ago too and stupidly people overwhelmingly said no to it. Starmer seems to be playing a cautious game on everything as he has a 15-20 point lead in the polls. Also, I said to vote for whoever gets The Tories out in people's constituencies. That could be Labour or The Lib Dems.

@kubhlaikhan2015 Жыл бұрын

Sorry to disillusion you even more, but the Greens have become an equally bad option with many far right people pulling the strings. Just take a look at Germany.

@emanuel1940 Жыл бұрын

That's a wasted vote, and a tory advantage.

@kjetilniki2302 Жыл бұрын

It has to be said the advantages of remaining in the EU very much higher and the advantages of rejoining the EU. The terms under which we were members were far more favourable than any we can obtain now!

@StormShadowHarris 11 ай бұрын

Oh, we'd still get faourable terms. We'd just have to integrate properly to do it, and that would mean properly democratising our political system.

@theconqueringram5295 Жыл бұрын

Well, since Brexit's done, I guess it's time to make it work.

@peterebel7899 Жыл бұрын

Better to make dysfunctional Britain work.

@ForestFWhite Жыл бұрын

Many parties, one entity.

@AaronMichaelLong Жыл бұрын

Because even voters understand that the UK will never get a deal as sweet as the one they had before Brexit again.

@justonecornetto80 Жыл бұрын

@@Buckets1000 How so? You obviously have little understanding of EU membership criteria and how the rules have been repeatedly bent over the years to bring about enlargement. If the UK went banging on the door in Brussels tomorrow it would be quickly readmitted with its opt outs intact. Be in no doubt about that. It will never happen simply because it`s already begun the tilt toward the Asia-Pacific region by joining the CPTPP. Backing out of that to rejoin the EU would destroy its reputation with the very bloc that has now overtaken the EU in terms of global market share. Like it or not, the UK is the second largest economy in Europe and holds huge sway over the world`s financial markets that is only second to the US. The only future that lies for the EU is absorbing basket case economies like Albania, Macedonia and Bosnia as well as a war shattered Ukraine that will forever have the shadow of a belligerent Russia looming over it. Stick your EU membership. We`re done bankrolling parasitical tax havens like Ireland.

@justonecornetto80 Жыл бұрын

@@Buckets1000 Yawn! Boring! Change the record etc! The six counties are British until its population decides otherwise and that ain`t happening anytime soon. Rule Britannia!

@AaronMichaelLong Жыл бұрын

@@Buckets1000 Before you get too excited, Britain managed to build a global trade empire prior to Brexit, there's nothing preventing them from being a prosperous country without EU membership. No longer having their economy hinge on being a banking hub for Europe will improve the health of Britain's economy and polity in the long run. It's not healthy for Britain to have a larger share of their GDP come from finance than the United States, which features the world's reserve currency (and which hampers America's own economy as well, as non-productive beauty contest trading crowds out actual investment and fruitful economic activity).

@justonecornetto80 Жыл бұрын

@@Buckets1000 No it isn`t because Ireland`s economic figures are complete nonsense. Tacking economic activity generated by US multinationals in other countries who only use Ireland for tax avoidance purposes onto your GDP figures doesn`t make you rich, it`s just false accounting! Unless you`ve been asleep for a very long time, you`ll know that the global corporate tax rate is about to kick in which is going to ban Ireland`s sweetheart tax deals with the multis and the profit shifting that artificially inflates Ireland`s GDP figures. When Ireland can make it into the G20, then we might begin to take you seriously but until then remember that the UK is a G7 country and a lot further up the food chain than your potato field.

@AaronMichaelLong Жыл бұрын

@@Buckets1000 Yes, your opinion was clear from your first comment.

@kylecramer8489 Жыл бұрын

YES!

@gameofender4463 Жыл бұрын

No.

@dominoep Жыл бұрын

They should eventually but not to say it outloud too early because it'll freak certain people out...

@Martini923 9 ай бұрын

6 Jul 2022 - The Labour Party leader said that the UK “will not go back into the EU” under a Labour government, as he gave his first speech on the issue

@stuart3878 Жыл бұрын

Yes!Yes!Yes. There has to be someone out there who cares about the country. However, convincing the EU members we are capable of contributing positively and refraining from presenting our previous yob activities into the assembly.

@English_Dawn Жыл бұрын

Being an unwritten constitution the biggest constitutional change since 1660 has occurred. Power rests with the people NOT the Government nor Parliament. Politicians were forced to enact legislation the majority of whom would rather avoid. This has NEVER occurred before in British history.. There will be many benefits of Brexit, which may not be obvious immediately, no realistic person ever thought they would be but the constitutional change alone was worth Brexit. 👉 The MSM have tried to portray things not going well, many things un-related to Brexit. They are aggrieved their kids can't go on "Erasmus Plus" courses or roaming-charges, passport queues. What a shame! 👉Areas of this country outside the M25 have suffered economic decline and low GDP, not for 3 years but for over a century, as far back as 1870. So does a gain or loss of 5% of GDP matter to them? Not really because they are innured to low or no growtb of GDP. Life exists outside the M25. Levelling-up. To whom? Any benefits will take probably over a century and cost billions, probably trillions, not millions. They know that. The UK is the most economically unequal country in Europe. 👉 The EU was set up by Jean Monnet as an elite instutuon. Run by elites for elites. 👉The EU Council and EU Commission are the only two bodies with legislative initiative. Neither of which are directly publically elected. 👉 Only the EU Parliament is subject to a public vote and publically accountable, and that only weakly with one M.E.P. to approximately 770, 000 voters. It has NO power of legislative initiative. 👉How many members of the public actually votes for the EU President? None. 👉It is fundamentally undemocratic and was planned to be, keeping the public at arms-length. 👉British voters do not accept that un-elected judges have more power than elected politicians. Not many voters do. 👉The EU was a post-war institution, of It's time. 👉The bigger it gets the more remote the voter and more diluted the power of each individual national state. 👉The Eurozone is a "basket-case". It is effectively the "Deutschemarkzone". Italy only got in by claiming it's debt position was better than it actually was. The then Greek government seeing that, did likewise. Hence trying to run before they can walk means high youth unemployment. 👉Britian's peak was 1870 for output. 👉Britain's peak financially, inflation-adjusted, was around 1912. 👉Cotton, upon which a lot of the North depended, last peaked in 1922. 👉Coal mining last peaked in 1910. Many British regions are not self-financing. Only London and the South East excluding London, are. Successive British governments have not been able to stem the decline. Nor Membership of the EU. It is arguable membership of the EU exacerbated the decline. How many times had Jean-Claude Juncker visited The Rhondda, Hull or Redcar? 👉Expansion eastwards of the EU would have meant less money available for poor Regions of Britain. 👉The Blob and MSM, to excuse their own ignorance, say Brexit was caused by "uneducated Northerners". 👉In 1980 1 in 10 people went to university not 5 out of 10 as it stands. Many have life experience. Do some studying for media studies etc come close? 👉If you draw a line from The Wash to the River Severn the area below that, the South, was 60% of the "Leave" vote. Only London, Oxford and Cheltenham really voted "Remain". Basically the rest of the South voted "Leave". 👉The biggest social group voting to "Leave", 59%, were the A's,B's & C1's. The working-class vote was 27%. 👉That "Scotland was dragged out of the EU against It's own will". In 2014 Scottish Referendum independance for Scotland meant leaving the EU, without blinking an eye. Scotland, Northern Ireland and London were 3 out of 4 sectors with lowest turnout. Conclusion. Brexit will have many benefits, most of them constitutionally and be rather hidden. There will be other benefits including financially. For only around a third of "Leave" voters was finance the key driver. For most countries Sovereignty out-weighs financial matters. 👉The ability to vote for your own legislature to make your own laws is paramount to at least 2/3rds of the people. Hence a main reason for Brexit.

@Iltazyara Жыл бұрын

@@English_Dawn Conclusion, you're full of shit and lies and can't find a fact if it landed on your head. Referendum was not binding. Vote was not binding. Power rests solely in the government. Brexit has no benefits. Will continue to have no benefits. The EU is MORE democratic that Britain these days, our voting error is absurd.

@someoneno-one7672 Жыл бұрын

A very insightful video. One important factor not mentioned is first-past-the-post voting in U.K. general elections. To form a U.K. government, a party needs to win not voters but constituencies. If a party has a 20,000 lead in a constituency it can potentially afford loosing 19,999 voters and win. If a party is just 3 voters behind the competitor, they can get just 4 extra votes and win. And if they can afford loosing 19,999 in a rejoin-leaning constituency but need 4 in a Brexit-leaning one, they might do better staying off any major rejoin campaigning at this point. Moreover, loosing constituencies to LibDems is fine as long as they keep Conservatives off. LibDem led government is highly unlikely and LibDem-Tory coalition is almost impossible at this time. But only winning constituencies from Conservatives will block another Tory government and will bring about a Labour-led government of some kind.

@StormShadowHarris 11 ай бұрын

And with them, comes Proportional representation, as long as we hold Starmer's feet to the fire. And after that, everything becomes simpler. Not easier, necessarily, but simpler. Starmer's right to focus on the fundamental changes that need to happen.

@someoneno-one7672 11 ай бұрын

@@StormShadowHarris No doubt 👍

@hamzaibrahim3352 10 ай бұрын

thats why i think labour isnt talking about brexit rn

@pritapp788 Жыл бұрын

It's a pointless question even if you are a Remainer or Rejoiner. The one relevant question is whether the EU should consider accepting the UK as a member again, and the answer to that is a resounding "No".

@Da1Dez Жыл бұрын

Britain voted leave to get a immigration points system. In the end, we got a very half arsed system. So Brexit was pointless....

@SevenEllen Жыл бұрын

We're not all racists. Some of us hate discrimination. But Brexit was pointless, yes. All it's done is boosted inflation.

@Alex-df4lt 11 ай бұрын

It's actually a good points system. It's more flexible than Canadian or Australian system and it should attract talented people those two countries would have before. It doesn't discriminate based on English competency or age which is a good thing. UK is a much better option than Canada or Australia.

@daviddack1595 Жыл бұрын

Yes, The people of the UK and Scotland want to Re-Join the EU. Re-Join will get the Vote's

@gameofender4463 Жыл бұрын

Scotland is part of the U.K 😂. So the only vote that matters is a U.K one.

@daviddack1595 Жыл бұрын

@@gameofender4463 Scotland will be part of the EU.

@gameofender4463 Жыл бұрын

@@daviddack1595 No it won’t. That is a hilarious lie.

@eddiecalderone Жыл бұрын

@@daviddack1595 A bit of research

@LukVik Жыл бұрын

I was very sad when the UK decided to exit the EU, but now I do not want them back.

@eddiecalderone Жыл бұрын

Neither do we want to rejoin

@gfys756 Жыл бұрын

EU is finished. Industry is fleeing to USA and China. Recession/depression inbound.

@mt508 Жыл бұрын

@@eddiecalderone Oh really?

@user-rq1if6bd9j Жыл бұрын

@@mt508sane people would like to but know it won't happen. The loonies on either side scream either yes rejoin now or were not out really that's why it's not all sunlit uplands or🦄

@kratchet559 Жыл бұрын

@@eddiecalderone Speak for yourself.

@tanaunkok23 Жыл бұрын

That the problem with KS, he doesn’t stand for anything . The strategy appears to be not to win but just need the conservatives to self destruct

@FatRonaldo1 Жыл бұрын

Can you please do a video explaining the final brexit deal vs rejoining/remaining?

@edoardoruggeri1 Жыл бұрын

As an EU national who first came to the UK in 2010 for uni, and who fell in love with the UK for a variety of reasons, I feel more and more alienated in it. I do not recognise it anymore. I love the UK but I also love being part of the EU for a whole lot of reasons. And the hostile environment that no one seems to want to solve, is pushing me more and more towards just leaving.

@wakey87 Жыл бұрын

Brexit should of been a quick sharp shock like getting a tooth pulled but thanks to Labour trying their best to go against the vote it became a slow torture that had everyone at each others throat, bitter and resentful. And we still left.

@edoardoruggeri1 Жыл бұрын

@@wakey87 in that case of would have been a no-deal Brexit, which would have made my life even more difficult.

@wakey87 Жыл бұрын

@@edoardoruggeri1 Maybe, but it would never of been as hostile.

@edoardoruggeri1 Жыл бұрын

@@wakey87 are you sure about that? No deal would bring about even more fuckups. But maybe you're right, as the Conservatives' incompetence would be completely exposed beyond any reasonable doubt, and everyone would then be able to see that, therefore creating no hostility.

@wakey87 Жыл бұрын

@@edoardoruggeri1 Ok, guess peace was never an option.

@davidwebb4904 Жыл бұрын

It's the only way they will achieve a majority

@johntowers1213 Жыл бұрын

its the only way to guarantee we remain in opposition you mean..

@Clone683 Жыл бұрын

You're kidding right? Making the next election about Brexit is probably the only way Starmer could lose at this point

@ce1834 Жыл бұрын

in what world would a promise to rejoin achieve a majority in the UK - the Tories would be throwing another party at No. 10

@gameofender4463 Жыл бұрын

@@Clone683 Exactly. We shouldn’t of had the first one. And we definitely shouldn’t have another. What’s done is done. Time to adjust and move on and avoid another referendum which may not even be to rejoin as people may not want to go through it again.

@davidwebb4904 Жыл бұрын

@@Clone683 Rejoiners WILL vote LibDem. And there are a lot of us. Making it a hung parliament.

@Essentially_Nobody Жыл бұрын

One thing that people don't really mention is that even if the UK doesn't get to join straight away, unlike brexit which was a single vote pushed through by ukip, by having a unified goal, it could show to their european counterparts the UK's commitment to rejoining the EU.

@hamzaibrahim3352 10 ай бұрын

what??? rejoin the eu man iots not hard @@paullarne

@iandhr1 Жыл бұрын

As others have pointed out to win the next election Labour has to win back the "red wall" voters who voted Tory because of the Brexit issue. Taking a pro-EU position would alienate them, and would certainly complicate Labour's path to winning.

@bad307207 Жыл бұрын

I remember reading a paper about archaeology in the Victorian era... Basically One mistake they made was they would arrange things by the level of complexity and date them in that order; flint tools for example: they'd arrange the flints from most simple to most ornate and display them in that order ( in their opinion oldest to newest). The problem was that flint started off a simple tool of cave men, became an important status symbol (so was decorated) then went back to being a simple tool (so wasn't decorated)... I think modern polls have a similar bias, imo polls don't show you what people actually want, often (especially with Brexit) they show you what the small still brexit motivated minority want, or what the person paying for the poll wants... imo future generations will laugh at our reliance and over simplification of polls! (Most pre brexit polls had remain winning).

@TheMarcosutra Жыл бұрын

you're right but this chanel is very pro-EU so naturally only focuses on stats that support their agenda

@georgiewalker5826 Жыл бұрын

I hope they do take a strong re-join EU policy at one time, although I understand that Labour don't want to take that route now as they may upset redwall voters

@harambae7014 Жыл бұрын

There's no "may" about it. That kind of move to go against the democratically expressed wishes of a huge portion of Labour's traditional voter base, is the kind of thing that would make red wall voters vow to never vote Labour again. They wouldn't just be upset, they'd feel outright betrayed.

@EllieD.Violet Жыл бұрын

2070 sounds like a good time for that. From our 🇪🇺 perspective. Greetings from the EU

@richardgallagher4880 Жыл бұрын

@@EllieD.Violet How's your invasionofruszia going?

@richardgallagher4880 Жыл бұрын

You just seen the disaster of r3kraine and you want us to look like that? Sick o. Admit it, you messed up bad.

@SaintGerbilUK Жыл бұрын

It's almost like they are listening to their voters.

@joecampbell7236 Жыл бұрын

Surely, since it’s such a low priority for most voters, there’s more to be gained politically from the Brexit status quo than a rapprochement with the EU? Especially since it’s urban voters you’re talking about upsetting. It will take a higher priority than 7% for urban centres to drop labour, on any issue, let alone a fresh wound.

@fernbedek6302 Жыл бұрын

Seems like the UK has a single party system right now, just blue coloured Tories or red coloured Tories.

@bababababababa6124 Жыл бұрын

Andorra beating Mexico in the World Cup final is a more realistic scenario than the UK rejoining the EU

@nealrigga6969 Жыл бұрын

Honestly I can imagine Andorra reaching a final before Mexico ever does ☠️☠️☠️

@tombo416 Жыл бұрын

Bold of you to think Mexico could ever reach a final

@venmis137 Жыл бұрын

Why?

@jibrilleo Жыл бұрын

@@venmis137 Cause right now Mexico is a flop in soccer. And I said this as someone with Mexican blood.

@HH-hd7nd Жыл бұрын

There's a way more important factor that makes joining the EEA impossible: All 30 countries - including Norwaay, Liechtenstein and Iceland - have to agree. And Norway has officially stated that they would veto the UK joining the EEA. Brits can discuss as much as they want about this - it doesn't matter. Norway said no and that's that.

@ce1834 Жыл бұрын

Are the EU fanatics parroting out the same things from the same playbook lol, simply not true, Norway was wary of the UK being such a large nation joining the existing group of outer EFTA nations (they at present make up 96% of the outer EFTAs population), so wouldn't maybe be in their interests - different politicians from different parties have put forward different positions, but vetoing the UK joining has never been the official position, and softened their stance

@ce1834 Жыл бұрын

joining the EEA/EFTA would be madness however in any case, rather we focused on Labour securing the economy and power, this chapter is closed - even the Norweigans recognised that lol

@kw2142 Жыл бұрын

that's not actually true, Norway have not said they would veto

@HH-hd7nd Жыл бұрын

@@kw2142 They have, shortly after the referendum when the idea was first brought up.

@eddiecalderone Жыл бұрын

@@Buckets1000 If it was not for the massive trade you (rep of Ireland) have with the U.K. you would struggle to eat never mind succeed

@CY-ye5dz Жыл бұрын

As a Dutch citizen, I don't want the UK back in EU.

@ruzicas.5819 Жыл бұрын

As a Croatian citizen I too don't want the UK back in EU. 🇪🇺

@kevinkelly5780 Жыл бұрын

Because Starmer is not pro anything. Or against anything. Reddest ring in politics with all that fence post shoved up it

@tomthumb2361 Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately leave is affecting the economy (hit on trade etc.), inflation (shortage of workers, impact on agriculture etc.) and immigration (loss of agreement with EU). Our relationship with the EU will always cause division owing to the way in which either joining or leaving is a true dilemma. In other words, our relationship with the EU is inherently and unavoidably fraught with difficulties or downsides either way.

@TitusRex Жыл бұрын

I think the UK should get a deal similar to Norway. To join again they would need to fully join, including adopting the Euro, and I think that's impossible.

@marinusvos Жыл бұрын

"I think the UK should get a deal similar to Norway." That deal is not on the table for the UK. It would mean EFTA. They don't want the UK in their club.

@peterebel7899 Жыл бұрын

Norway is Schengen member, English xenophobia will hold Britain back from cherry picking and keep the UK behind Turkey when it comes to connections to the EU.

@user-rq1if6bd9j Жыл бұрын

@@marinusvosin fact I believe Norway and Iceland basically said no F'ing chance

@dora71803 Жыл бұрын

The Labour Kate Hoey mindset has lost my vote.

@davidpryle3935 Жыл бұрын

What about Mick Lynch and the RMT ? They’ve always been opposed to Britain’s membership of the neoliberal EEC/EU.

@cgt3704 Жыл бұрын

7:05 If Friggin Mr. Brexit himself says that Brexit is going wrong, you know sh*t hit the fan

@rosuzzieagnes124 Жыл бұрын

I still can’t believe we left the EU

@peterebel7899 Жыл бұрын

I still can't believe you ever joined the EU.

@rayc9539 13 күн бұрын

Joining what was the EEC for easier trade was a bad thing?

@taipizzalord4463 Жыл бұрын

Kier keeps saying he wants to grow the economy (even though he is just saying that to avoid talking about redistribution), but that is impossible to do in any meaningful way (2 - 2.5% per year) without joining the SM & CU. And it needs to be framed as joining not re-joining so it does not seem like you are rehashing the issue.

@andrewwalsh2755 Жыл бұрын

Growth funded by growing national debt and imported labour, which has never increased output per capita... is just foolhardy. When the music stops, and the country is borrowing just to service it's debt, investors will leave, gdp will fall... but the debt will remain! (currently £2.5 Trillion)

@English_Dawn Жыл бұрын

Being an unwritten constitution the biggest constitutional change since 1660 has occurred. Power rests with the people NOT the Government nor Parliament. Politicians were forced to enact legislation the majority of whom would rather avoid. This has NEVER occurred before in British history.. There will be many benefits of Brexit, which may not be obvious immediately, no realistic person ever thought they would be but the constitutional change alone was worth Brexit. 👉 The MSM have tried to portray things not going well, many things un-related to Brexit. They are aggrieved their kids can't go on "Erasmus Plus" courses or roaming-charges, passport queues. What a shame! 👉Areas of this country outside the M25 have suffered economic decline and low GDP, not for 3 years but for over a century, as far back as 1870. So does a gain or loss of 5% of GDP matter to them? Not really because they are innured to low or no growtb of GDP. Life exists outside the M25. Levelling-up. To whom? Any benefits will take probably over a century and cost billions, probably trillions, not millions. They know that. The UK is the most economically unequal country in Europe. 👉 The EU was set up by Jean Monnet as an elite instutuon. Run by elites for elites. 👉The EU Council and EU Commission are the only two bodies with legislative initiative. Neither of which are directly publically elected. 👉 Only the EU Parliament is subject to a public vote and publically accountable, and that only weakly with one M.E.P. to approximately 770, 000 voters. It has NO power of legislative initiative. 👉How many members of the public actually votes for the EU President? None. 👉It is fundamentally undemocratic and was planned to be, keeping the public at arms-length. 👉British voters do not accept that un-elected judges have more power than elected politicians. Not many voters do. 👉The EU was a post-war institution, of It's time. 👉The bigger it gets the more remote the voter and more diluted the power of each individual national state. 👉The Eurozone is a "basket-case". It is effectively the "Deutschemarkzone". Italy only got in by claiming it's debt position was better than it actually was. The then Greek government seeing that, did likewise. Hence trying to run before they can walk means high youth unemployment. 👉Britian's peak was 1870 for output. 👉Britain's peak financially, inflation-adjusted, was around 1912. 👉Cotton, upon which a lot of the North depended, last peaked in 1922. 👉Coal mining last peaked in 1910. Many British regions are not self-financing. Only London and the South East excluding London, are. Successive British governments have not been able to stem the decline. Nor Membership of the EU. It is arguable membership of the EU exacerbated the decline. How many times had Jean-Claude Juncker visited The Rhondda, Hull or Redcar? 👉Expansion eastwards of the EU would have meant less money available for poor Regions of Britain. 👉The Blob and MSM, to excuse their own ignorance, say Brexit was caused by "uneducated Northerners". 👉In 1980 1 in 10 people went to university not 5 out of 10 as it stands. Many have life experience. Do some studying for media studies etc come close? 👉If you draw a line from The Wash to the River Severn the area below that, the South, was 60% of the "Leave" vote. Only London, Oxford and Cheltenham really voted "Remain". Basically the rest of the South voted "Leave". 👉The biggest social group voting to "Leave", 59%, were the A's,B's & C1's. The working-class vote was 27%. 👉That "Scotland was dragged out of the EU against It's own will". In 2014 Scottish Referendum independance for Scotland meant leaving the EU, without blinking an eye. Scotland, Northern Ireland and London were 3 out of 4 sectors with lowest turnout. Conclusion. Brexit will have many benefits, most of them constitutionally and be rather hidden. There will be other benefits including financially. For only around a third of "Leave" voters was finance the key driver. For most countries Sovereignty out-weighs financial matters. 👉The ability to vote for your own legislature to make your own laws is paramount to at least 2/3rds of the people. Hence a main reason for Brexit.

@00dude3 Жыл бұрын

And yet so much of world is capable of growing its economy without the EU Amazing really

@taipizzalord4463 Жыл бұрын

@@andrewwalsh2755 No government will reduce the debt. There are too few workers per retirees. The demographics make it impossible. Which is why we need a national care service in the coming years.

@lenabo9929 Жыл бұрын

I feel what he is doing is smart. There are a lot of people that still believe brexit should be respected as it was voted for. However, when he is in power I hope he does push for a better and closer relations with the EU. Hopefully can get a customs union

@jonathanrotem251 Жыл бұрын

No, it should't.

@pepela8214 Жыл бұрын

They would never, Labour is way too stale to rock the boat like that.

@Andy713uk Жыл бұрын

Lavour is such a joke these days. The choice is Tory or Tory Light. 😢

@CARL_093 Жыл бұрын

very interesting

@joelkirkwood8224 Жыл бұрын

I’d laugh if he just said “Listen, we tried to tell you Brexit was a stupid idea but you voted for it anyway. Now you gotta live with it.”

@greyghost2492 Жыл бұрын

"we tried to tell you!!" - the party of cowardly fence sitters

@user-rq1if6bd9j Жыл бұрын

@@greyghost2492you can't blame starmer for Corbyns cowardly behaviour.eveyone knew he was pro brexit but wouldn't say so and stopped his party members saying it was a shot idea

@Teag_Brohman15 Жыл бұрын

Corbyn made a huge mistake resigning Starmer is just a Conservative with a red tie

@eddiecalderone Жыл бұрын

Corbyn should have never been there

@SirWhig-esq. Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately Britain in the eyes of Europe (et al)

@perro0076 Жыл бұрын

Maaaan I hate that shot of all the Union Jacks down The Mall. It is straight out of the 3rd Reich.

@slbfiel8203 Жыл бұрын

I am an avid remainder but we must respect the vote and continue on. Back tracking will make us even weaker...

@ruinerblodsinn6648 Жыл бұрын

there is no backtracking. You people still believe that anyone in the EU would want you back in the club. The hubris…

@ce1834 Жыл бұрын

@@ruinerblodsinn6648 thankfully the UK public won't vote to rejoin any time soon either - a commitment to rejoining would be electoral suicide in the UK

@SirAntoniousBlock Жыл бұрын

So if you cycle over a cliff just keep peddling? That's the English way. This is why you can't have nice things.

@clmclmn21 Жыл бұрын

If you cycle off a cliff it doesn’t matter if you keep peddling or stop peddling, the outcome is still the same. As an Englishman I would stop peddling and sip my tea.

@SirAntoniousBlock Жыл бұрын

@@clmclmn21 Ta-rah then.

@alexanderimacleod Жыл бұрын

On the one had, if Starmer shifts to a more pro-European stance, he'll isolate all the Red Wallers. One the other hand, Labour cannot win in Scotland unless it becomes more pro-European.

@Weaselszone Жыл бұрын

Great work guys! Can't wait to watch this. (Also, I call first :) )

@orchidhouse297 Жыл бұрын

I think I understand Starmer's caution regarding the EU, but I still think the UK would be better off inside the EU, with some sort of trading and movement of labour agreement. Brexit has messed up so many things, the Eurostar to Amsterdam latest debacle caused by the need to check passports and insufficient infrastructure.

@DeputyChiefWhip Жыл бұрын

Step 1: Get in Power, by all means necessary Step 2: When in power, first term, Align with EU Step 3: Second Term 🤞(New generation of Voters) Progress further with alignment Step 4: Lock up Farage :) Step 5: EU Ref 2

@alizaidi2893 Жыл бұрын

Or step 2... labour .becoming more and more right wing to placate a bunch of racists who are became their main voting base. Step 3: Farage joins labour and becomes next PM Step 4:UK becomes another sick man of Eroupe and a Chinese economic vassal

@princesavage2234 Жыл бұрын

Maybe u should be the next PM

@anitagorse9204 Жыл бұрын

Isn't Farage somewhere in EU? :)

@ab-ym3bf Жыл бұрын

Step 5 to 10: keep sending that EU application letter everytime they say NON.

@pantherpopel551 Жыл бұрын

*The actual TL;DR:* Because Starmer will go back on each and everyone of his promises, if he thinks it will get him into power.

@leerobinson9969 Жыл бұрын

The first thing any sensible government should do is give Britain back energy independence.

@freewyvern707 Жыл бұрын

Another large reason may be that even if Rejoin was the more popular at the moment, would it stay popular when it got confronted? Or in other words, would the unpopularity that Brexit is now recieving because of its poor planning and vague beginnings happen to Rejoin as well? If I was Starmer, I wouldn't want to even think about HOW to Rejoin. We spent five or so years figuring out how to leave, and it dominated politics to the degree the electorate gladly voted in a corrupt baffoon just because he said he would "Get Brexit Done". This would have a massive chance of repeating itself with Rejoin, with all the similar failures that Brexit felt. Just like Brexit, Rejoin is not a simple issue.

@ReformSaba Жыл бұрын

You poor, poor naive children. Do you really expect Kier Starmer to tell you truthfully what he is going to do? 😂 You remoaners need to unite and quickly

@tombo416 Жыл бұрын

“Remoaners” lol you’re acting like you made the right decision to leave ☠️☠️

@ReformSaba Жыл бұрын

@@tombo416 acting? I suppose you’re right - it would be better to let mummy and daddy Brussels run our country for us, it’s just too hard isn’t it?

@Jimmie16 Жыл бұрын

YES they should, however it will be up to the EU members if we get back in anytime soon if ever. Scotland however has a quicker route, vote for independence and then vote on joining the EU it will be our decision without Westminsters interference. Interference we see more and more every day. And the EU has already said we'd be welcome.

@ce1834 Жыл бұрын

quicker route on what planet? lmao - considering Scotland's finances after being bankrolled by the rest of the country for the "government's" policies and enjoying the benefits of the UK, if by some miracle you become independent and want to join, the EU may not want you immediately at all, despite being "welcome" by some of the fanatics :)

@rickbeniers667 Жыл бұрын

Did you guys cover the “The labour files” documentary by Al Jazeera? I didint hear much about it through the mainstream media for such a damming research report!

@davidwebb4904 Жыл бұрын

Labour need to remove Starmer

@JohnSmall314 Жыл бұрын

The majority of people born after 1980 do not want Brexit. Therefore it's inevitable that we will rejoin the EU. So it's not "Should Labour try to Rejoin the EU" it's "When will Labour try to Rejoin the EU" and the obvious answer to that is when they replace Keir Starmer. Labour will eventually revert to being a pro-EU party, the membership want that, in the end they'll get a leader that reflects their views. When Labour win the next election they'll go through the same internal arguments over the EU that the Tories are going through. There will be almighty ructions over EU-membership until the leadership finally accept the inevitable. Trying to "make Brexit work" is obvious nonsense and a policy that's obvious nonsense can only last as long as the leadership forces it on the membership.

@paologat Жыл бұрын

It’s inevitable that UK will eventually *ask* to rejoin the EU. Whether it will be allowed to, and under what conditions, is for us EU citizens to decide.

@ce1834 Жыл бұрын

inevitable in the next few decades, yes, but the UK should accept the fact of Brexit till then, a rejoin position would be electoral suicide for Labour at the moment

@clmclmn21 Жыл бұрын

Please decide against us rejoining. We need more time to set up CANZUK.

@marinusvos Жыл бұрын

@@clmclmn21 "CANZUK." DOA!