Should Machamp Get Banned in DPP? [Feat.

[@BKCplaysPokemon]

I can't believe my pure slow cinema style was compromised by ed*ting.

[@cheruledge]

this vid needs more movie rants, 0/10 do better @ smogon yt editors

[@ryanshiver9044]

The day of the rope is coming for stall players like you.

[@hockeydavid9749]

How am I supposed to learn about pokemon without a 15 minute tangent to start the video? Also, no bathroom break, that is so inconsiderate to the viewer. I will not be renting out my local cinema to screen this for my friends.

[@smogon]

@@BKCplaysPokemon Smogon is here to help elevate your pokemon AND video editing game!

[@Nako3]

you are a funny person

[@uwuppa]

he has four arms, its just not fair

[@EggscellentTree]

No bathroom breaks :(

[@applebane2000]

6:15 A bold attempt to manifest an Iron Head ban into reality

[@Arceus5555]

For real I was like Iron Head is banned??????????? That’d be the day..

[@InsertFunnyThingHere]

On one hand Machamp basically adds nothing but torture but so does the entire tier so honestly this is just how it works

[@VaporeonEnjoyer1]

You banned much less offensive Pokemon for less. Froslass was completely removed from anything but Ubers for a 20% evasion boost with weather up. That's no where near as bad as Machamp.

[@newjumpcityjosh9333]

That was like 15 years ago lol perspectives can change

[@VaporeonEnjoyer1]

@@newjumpcityjosh9333 It was 2023. It's on Froslass's gen 4 page.

[@tsui1024]

Jirachi iron head is very much not banned? Also to anyone that says you can stall Iron Heads on jirachi, iron head has 24 pp, and has no immunities. Dynamic punch only has 8pp.

[@CantusTropus]

"Just stall out the PP" should never be considered a valid argument. Unless the move has very low PP (8, realistically) and needs to be used many times to have an impact, that's just an unreasonable thing to do. Stalling our Aromatherapies in a Stall mirror is doable, but it would be ridiculous to tell people they can just run Kingambit out of Sucker Punches in Gen 9.

[@tomebreaker]

6:12 jirachi iron head is very much not banned methinks?

[@BPDemons]

He's manifesting it

[@Jaeogijaoidfjlanflnasn]

@@BPDemons great username btw

[@OMalleyTheMaggot]

Something i feel people always ignore that frustrates me, that the pokemon brings additional utility to the table will make its broken aspects WORSE. Like, "People use Jirachi for all sorts of things besides iron head flinch, people only use Machamp for Dynamic Punch" is such a frustrating argument to hear on smogon forums where it is well established that "broken doesnt check broken" It makes the issue WORSE because since a mon like Jirachi is seen everywhere, even when players arent even trying to use degenerate strats it just winds up being their mathemematically BEST option. That Jirachi being banned would remove its utility (shorthand for saying the mons it checks will become broken in its absense) should strictly be a non argument for anyone who isnt a hypocrite.

[@hard2flatter516]

Is there a reason not to consider banning no guard or dynamic punch? For example the mons that learn the ohko moves are not banned but rather the moves right?

[@floralpatterns21]

The fact that it's Machamp and not rachi being suspected is the biggest joke lol

[@SumThingFawful]

Unfortunately, does not begin to describe Jimothy Cool's series..

[@toastprobably9774]

so funny story yesterday I asked bkc what he thought about jimothy cool getting very frustrated over the machamp suspect the very next day this drops lmao

[@TourFaint]

All those arguments for banning dynamicpunch are correct what i dont understand is why are they trying to ban machamp instead of dynamicpunch.

[@9bit927]

24:10 BKD punished by God with coughing fits for the bad Machamp joke

[@seankrolyk5814]

wtf is this video. I just saw a latias get thunder waved and then next turn get an attack in through Iron Head and para. Nice fake video

[@graylyhen9490]

No. Just Dynamic Punch. It's that easy

[@breadbaskets2772]

take a swing at a complex ban and just get rid of dynamic punch, machamp is not an inherantly toxic pokemon and the reason it is hated is because of this move. No other pokemon wants to even use this move so it wont actually limit teambuilding if you ban it. no offense but this is the obvious answer to this problem and if the council cant come to this conclusion i question it's ability to make correct decisions

[@togakhan1274]

what is the background song name? Zame has like a 1000 songs on his channel.

[@cynthiacrescent]

BKC video with editing, this isn't FSG! At least here you don't have to launder your opinions for people whose only experience with competition is watching a Wolfey video once.

[@jordandaigle6227]

Why not just ban No Guard or Dynamic Punch? Why ban a whole ass Pokemon?

[@Rumielle]

because that would ruin a whole bunch of pokemon that don't deserve it.

[@jasonmoscynski8170]

​@Rumielle Not really. The Machop line are the only ones who get No Guard in this gen and without No Guard, Dynamic Punch's 50% percent accuracy makes it too unreliable.

[@jordandaigle6227]

@@jasonmoscynski8170 Exactly. Plus if Machamp is forced to use its other ability, it's mid at best due to being slow. Banning Machamp is completely unnecessary and a huge over reaction to not liking the Dynamic Punch spam.

[@Pumpost]

Smogon decisions have been whack recently imo

[@birthdayninjah]

Buspect Kest Cachamp

So glad to know that smogon has an official channel. Subbing rn!

[@smogon]

Welcome aboard!

[@SpectreXS]

Can anyone even take Smogon seriously anymore?

[@pochocho8225]

Loving the content on this channel great way to communicate farther than the forums

[@roberte.o.speedwagon6043]

Is Machamp the problem? Or is DPunch No Guard the problem? Wouldn't a ban of No Guard solve this issue? Guts Machamp is strong but definitely not as infuriating as No Guard Dynamic Punch.

[@smogon]

Typically policy heads do not allow for an ability ban that effects only a single pokemon. They would require the ban on the pokemon itself. This is why you may see a snow cloak/sand veil ban but not a no guard ban.

[@roberte.o.speedwagon6043]

@smogon Ah, I see that makes sense. I see Machamp/Jirachi/Gyarados as the 3 problem Pokémon I hear about the most. Machamp having a 100% confusion inflicting move that can do 70% of your HP too. Jirachi being the RNG fest, not only of its moves effect chances, but it's set variety. And Gyarados being a living nuclear weapon that can often 6-0 after 1 or 2 DDances, especially with Waterfall flinch. Removing Machamp *first* makes the most sense. As removing either of the other two would really imbalance things. I would be sad to see it go, but personally Machamp isn't very healthy for the metagame. I love DPP OU, and I need to see it get the same love from people who tier it. Lead Drifblim all the way baby 🎈

[@mauricio6646]

I though Sand Veil Gliscor in DPP was especific banned due to Sandslash / Cacturne

[@tsui1024]

@@smogon I mean even in the video you basically admitted you banned Dugtrio by banning Arena trap?

[@bohrierpokemonvideos392]

@@tsui1024 that affects diglett too

[@bobforeman8924]

Bring back Dugtrio

[@pokegod70419]

if machamp gets banned then machoke will be used. there's no winning.

[@hydra1plprivate942]

wait why dugtrio is banned in gen 4 ou? im new to showdown so i dont know

[@watsonwrote]

It has the ability Arena Trap, which prevents grounded Pokemon from switching out. This can be exploited due to Dugtrio's speed, power, and typing. Trapping abilities are usually banned in gens after Gen 3 because it makes some strategies too powerful.

[@Melliniumorder]

Why not ban thunder wave thats also a move that good to click anytime its available

[@cptcolgenltmajor9246]

I’m still of the idea that dynamic punch is the problem.

[@gratedshtick]

My main takeaway is that Goro is on the DPP OU council /s

[@rangermike5571]

Noooo where did all the smogcasts go?

[@Juniperjungby]

John smogon

[@TheOmniBoo]

Very nice presentation

[@smogon]

Thanks for watching!

[@MrCrawClips]

W vid !

[@uuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhh]

are people going through mass psychogenic illness or something? jirachi being broken is no reason to not ban machamp, get it out of the way and jirachi will have 100% of the attention. if machamp isnt banned you will not have any luck banning jirachi

[@blazie42069]

Both it and jirachi should go

[@Kuroo39]

no

[@fahad468]

Yes

[@newjumpcityjosh9333]

Yurrrrrrr

[@AdorkableDaughterofNyx]

Clefable needs to be banned,

[@saladorIV]

There is nothing scarier to blind switch into than a Machamp and I personally think Machamp ruined the lead metagame, severely limiting options. But I do feel like a paralysis clause would solve everything wrong with Gen 4 at the moment.

[@Keegan006]

Can’t ruin what stealth rocks made terrible and I stand by that opinion stealth rocks is the worst aspect of it because half the time it’s get rocks up willy-nilly lose a Mon because going 5-6 as long as you get rocks is aok

[@bobforeman8924]

Bring back Doug

[@bobforeman8924]

No