Should SpaceX & NASA Colonize Venus Instead of Mars?

[@TheSpaceRaceYT]

Would you rather live in a cloud colony on Venus or an underground colony on Mars?

[@juegoswarrior1287]

I’ll really prefere the cloud on venus ! In fact it’s the most viable solution for the moment, it could be a first step for the ‘multiplanetary developpement’. Moreover, it can be the ‘factory’ of the solar system where we can build all the stuff needed for a dyson sphere. Because with that altitude the cost to lunch a rocket would be less important and we are more close of the sun. And why not orbiting the asteroid around venus to operate the ressources just near to this new ‘factory’ ?

[@maxosborn1018]

Venus, you could likely return to Earth. On Mars you could not.

[@coreyb2923]

I think i rather live in an Underground City on Mars ( that's just me ) But there are so many New Aerospace companies that I'm Shure one of them ( maybe Rocket Lab ) will settle and make cloud City's a thing . I don't see why SpaceX should be the one to do this , there goal is Mars and beyond ( in that i see Asteroid mining , Settling the Moons in our Solar system ) but hey u never know .....

[@TheTenzen12]

As individual I would prefer Venus. Baloon city/base feels by it's nature more open and maybe brighter(?) compared to living in caves on Mars. That said as space project, when it come to mining, production of necessities Mars seems much easier to work with. Venus might be dependand on outside sources. So this what I would put money into...

[@GeneraluStelaru]

Venus all the way. I don't want my descendants to struggle adapting to .4 of Earth's gravity. There are enough greys out there.

[@WWeronko]

Everything would have to be brought to Venus. There are considerable in-situ resources on Mars for utilization that can result in a self sustaining colony. Sometime in the far future Venus can be terraformed if we can get the rotation issue resolved. However, I see Saturn's moon, Titan, being terraformed before Venus.

[@mariop8101]

You can make carbon nanotubes and O2 from the CO2 of the atmosphere. You can make water from the H2SO4 and the O2. Don't forget that Venus has 3 bar of partial pressure of N2.

[@mertc8050]

Lmao dude rotation cant change and that wont be a huuge problem anyway btw titan may have the most earth-like SURFACE conditions it is far less habitable compared to clouds of venus. And titan will NEVER be terraformed its NOT in the HABITABLE ZONE and you CANT change the temperature and the only problem besides gravity there is temperature although it will be solved by itself(and that means its not terraforming its anatural process) when sun expands and heats it up making it habitable for a few hundred million years that is 3+ BILLION years later. Venus on the other hand we cant change the rotation of the planet to earth-like speeds to think thats possible for us to achieve someone must have no common sense or knowledge what we need to do to terraform venus is actualy bring it hydrogen and release genticaly engineered bacteria that can suevive acid so by living there they take carbon from the atmosphere and as the bacterias multiply some will fall to surface but the carbon on them wont be released back in to the air so gradualy (given we brought enough hydrogen so bacteria can use it) co2 will diminish and all we have to do while this happens is bring hydrogen to venus so bacteria can use it and watch the bacteria do its thing over the years and we will be left with 3 bar nitrogen atmosphere and a earth-like planet. Only time constarint here is our ability to bring hydrogen to venus bacteria will do its thing extremely fast

[@MrMartinNeumann]

You have all the chemicals needed in the cloud layer to produce polymers, water, air, and rocket fuel.

[@WWeronko]

@@MrMartinNeumann There are certainly some things in Venusian atmosphere that you can process for use. However, you are talking about floating bases amongst sulfuric acid clouds that limit the weight of fabrication facilities and still require much more support than an under surface Martian colony.

[@robertg7249]

i feel like once humanity starts colonising space, it will ramp up pretty fast. as fast as technology ramped the beautiful thing is that once humans are presented with problems which we want/need to solve, we are pretty good at coming up with solutions. acid clouds are an obstacle we could solve, one solution would be to stay above them XD the other would be to just live in the orbit of Venus for a while on a space station, where we can research and prototype ways to survive on the planet later on.

[@superkartoffel7479]

Venus or Mars? My first instinct: Why not both?

[@setokaiba914]

Well long term both can be planned I guess but it takes loads of time and resources.

[@Darth_Revan25]

Also the fact that when the sun becomes a red giant and engulfs Earth, well.... sort of self explanatory for Venus. 😶

[@setokaiba914]

@@Darth_Revan25. Well we won't have to worry about that for a long time.

[@Darth_Revan25]

@@setokaiba914 true enough

[@BodaciousBeaversEaters]

why not grow tf up and do anything beggar

[@Malefleur]

I would already be happy to see a colony on the moon.

[@johngross688]

Humans cant live on moon why we didnt go back we need gravity to live . Future generations be to retarded to live. And the first people to go will get like brittle bones and die off before there time. Mars also cant be lived on. We can live on venus.

[@alexgolian3945]

I'd rather live in the clouds

[@heshangunarathna3262]

Moon is pointless ..you need space suits.. In venus you just need a firefighter suit and a oxygen mask..

[@Malefleur]

@@heshangunarathna3262 I know....But, Venus is too far

[@heshangunarathna3262]

@@Malefleur But there was a mission that manages to send a probe to venus in two weeks...I don't remember the name..but I am pretty sure it is two weeks... Two weeks to a month..not that far off

[@guillemmari5588]

I’d rather be reborn at the time when both Venus and Mars have already been terraformed, or are in an advanced terraforming stage… 🤩 what a sight that would be. I would love to see a movie or series on the subject! Thanks for planting that wonderful image in my consciousness through your awesome work. Super interesting subject in a very well made video.

[@olnbgy4444]

Mars terraforming wouldn’t be possible , the gases would just release into space and with no dynamo life would perish from radiation . It requires too much effort . It’s much better I think, to hollow out an asteroid and live inside . Venus is the same it has a magnetosphere but caused by its thick atmosphere,it also has no dynamo . And it’s spin needs to be faster which can only be caused by a meteor impact and that is dangerous . Overall it would take thousands of years to terraform and humanity doesn’t have that kind of long range thinking . I think in the future we’ll just be living underground on most bodies and inside asteroids .

[@renatoandresmartinezrubio8428]

@@olnbgy4444 Mars terraforming is possible, giving it an artificial magnetic field that doesn't involve nuking the core reactivate it is also doable, it's just that it would take too long for to happen

[@BodaciousBeaversEaters]

stfu w ur begging in our white langauge

[@nee379]

Colonizing Venus would be kinda cool

[@lanceanthony198]

Really* cool

[@BodaciousBeaversEaters]

then wtf r u doing to make it happen child?

[@codybanxx]

THEY NEED TO DO BOTH. VENUS FOR OVER POULATION PURPOSES AND MARS FOR THE SUN ISSUE.

[@NetarAlt]

4 Billion in the Future is Extreme Long

[@Darnell]

Moon first, then Mars. Venus at best would be either a penal colony or a minor scientific outpost (perhaps both‽). Truthfully I think a colony on Mercury would happen before Venus.

[@marionfisk7926]

What are all of these people smoking? To think we would go live on Venus at the high pressure and the high temperatures at the surface of the planet. Yes think about a colony on the moon to support a mission to Mars first then go to Mars. What would the answers be from a True NASA scientist be about the thoughts of man living on Venus?? I think a channel on KZbin like this this is how they make money propose outlandish materials and get people to discuss it and I’ve suckered into discuss some of this nonsense for them.

[@canceled6041]

@@marionfisk7926 Did you watch the video?

[@WebOSDevelops]

You didn’t watch the video.

[@roysheaks1261]

It would be interesting to try to eventually colonize all of the planets that are feasible to be colonized. Earthlings would gain vast amounts of knowledge that way.

[@GadreelAdvocat]

Rather than making it cooler. Might be an idea to heat the atmosphere even more. Cook the atmosphere off. Using solar powered satellites using radio, lasers, or microwaves or all. After lots of the atmosphere is cooked off. Turn off the satellites and the remaining atmosphere could cool. Then electricity on the surface could be generated by wind on the day and night side of Venus.

[@salvatore8426]

I want some of that weed

[@landonrounsavall1125]

Your on that good stuff

[@davidgibson4000]

Your content and narration is so good. I even subbed to the Telsa channel, even though I don't care much about cars. Please don't change, and thank you!

[@TheSpaceRaceYT]

Thanks David!

[@tonyhawk123]

I concur. After a proliferation of youtube channels which sound like they overdid the caffeine that morning and relentless stock videos of “random person looking surprised” followed by “random person throwing money in the air” and so on. I appreciate the calm delivery here.

[@rogerbrooks6430]

Forget venus just concentrate on mars for now

[@zaphodbeeblebrox3101]

Is "Brick Shithouse" an obscure technical term ? Love it, love it, love it !!!!!!!!!!!

[@tonyhawk123]

Common phrase in the UK. Eg to refer to a well built woman as “built like a brick shit-house”.

[@chippysteve4524]

Excellent video. Really well put together and clearly explained. Fascinating subject too. Best century ever!

[@fredfreer2818]

I love how you approach the subjects thanks so much

[@mariolis]

Dont forget the upcoming Rocket Lab mission to Venus ! As of now its scheduled for 2023 !

[@ttj_]

thank you so much for this video. It frustrates me a lot of how so many people are talking about mars but not enough are recognizing the amazing discoveries of potential for life on venus, and potential for colonization :)

[@marionfisk7926]

Maybe you should invent a time machine and go 1000 or 2000 years into the future and then you can go live on Venus if technology has taken us that far and or find out that it would never work on Venus.

[@MikeCasey311]

No amount of wealth will tempt me to leave Earth. 🌎

[@TheSpaceRaceYT]

We do have it pretty good here compared to our other options so I don't blame you!

[@cedrichunter9759]

Too bad that you feel this way. Offworld is the future. A good future at that.

[@MikeCasey311]

@@cedrichunter9759 We disagree, which is why they make different flavors of ice cream.

[@Tate525]

Unless there is planet much more suitable than Earth. Till then Mars and other Satellite Bodies don't excite me that much.

[@Darth_Revan25]

I dunno, floating in the clouds on Venus sounds preferable than being on Mars, but I thought Venus had a magnetosphere for blocking out space radiation? Obviously compared to Mars. Also, wouldn't the upper atmosphere of about 50km still be SUPER hot because of its proximity to the sun? Don't want to boil, ta 😅 🌡️☀️🟡 Also, huge fan of your channel my man! It's definitely in my top ten space related yt channels. Love your narration, tone, information and visuals. Keep it up!

[@TheSpaceRaceYT]

Thanks Darth!

[@nolan4339]

When the solar wind interacts with the upper atmosphere a magnetosphere effect is created, but no magnetic field from the planet.

[@marcozolo3536]

Venus air temperature at 1 atmospheric pressure around 50km is a balmy 30C to above 50C so it's still within a reasonable range. Compare that to Mars at minus 130C to 20C

[@yootoober2009]

@@marcozolo3536 would you rather wake up every morning and see brownish clouds, or Arizona sun in the background? Plus, we aspire to be multi-planetary beings which to me means going away from this Sun and this solar system... Also, there seems to be more choices of the next potential "camping sites" we humans can stop among the many other moons in our solar systems' planets on our way out of the Milky Way galaxy.. Isn't that the goal, multi-planetary? Imagine where we would be if Lewis and Clark, Ferdinand Magellan and Columbus picked "posh" destinations instead of the "impossible" ones?

[@marcozolo3536]

@@yootoober2009 sure I agree, but practical interstellar travel is probably a century away at best.

[@lowesgameing2003]

There's an idea about Terra forming Venus on kurzgesagts channel

[@bdgrandin]

You addressed an idea of how to handle the carbon. But really the biggest issues with both mars and Venus is the lack of a magnetic field.

[@olnbgy4444]

Venus has a magnetosphere but it’s caused by its thick atmosphere, so terraforming would just get rid of thick atmosphere but at the cost of losing its magnetosphere.

[@phensriwood8081]

Where would we be today if we found Venus and Mars to be habitable. We would have the beginnings of colonization already underway.

[@NetarAlt]

We would been infected With Foreign Pathogens

[@tywag5609]

I think maybe to thin out the atmosphere we could mess with Venus’s magnetosphere then the solar wind could blow a bunch of the atmosphere into space.

[@mannyalejo772]

Glad to see that Venus is still discussed as an option for colonization. Floating habitat at 50km and 1 atmosphere seems much easier to build and maintain than pressurized habitats in space or on Moon or Mars. There is no water on Venus, but sulfuric acid can be dehydrated to obtain water. Large amounts of energy can be obtained from the temperature difference between the cloud layers, much like ocean thermal energy conversion proposed for the oceans here on Earth. Large scale energy use on Mars is a serious problem without nuclear energy.

[@BodaciousBeaversEaters]

yeah if you and your pedo cartes werent raping whites for chinkkks

[@MFN071965]

Very nice video! A compelling story for sure. Thanks!

[@RobLittleuk]

I like your channel - informative and you are not on an ego trip. Thanks 😊

[@istvansipos9940]

"Earth" or "the Earth"? Like in many other videos, this decision seems to be somehow... undecided here, too. Any rules or logic in it? thanks, native speakers. and yes. Mars or Venus :- ) I'd sign up for both missions in a heartbeat. In a heartbeat of a terrified shrew

[@michaeldeierhoi4096]

Sure, in maybe a 100 years!!

[@RobertJohnFreeman]

Istvan, you made me curious, so I listened again to the last half: "...the pressure is more or less equal to that on Earth." "...way more stuff than we could ever move from Earth to Venus..." "...we would have much more control over Venus rovers than what NASA can do from the Earth to Mars." "...badly screwed here on Earth, before we get anywhere else..." "...why the atmosphere of Venus is such a runaway greenhouse compared to the Earth's" "...understand why it developed so differently than Earth." If it makes you feel better, I feel I could swap most of these without major problem too. In general, if you want a systematic answer, I would guess a major reason why this happens for the Earth, and not other planets, is that uniquely for the Earth there is potential for confusion between the planet, and the stuff the planet is made from, Earth (dirt.) If you say "the Earth" it may be more clear that either you are talking about some dirt referred to earlier, or the planet. And if there was no dirt referred to earlier, it will be very clear it is the planet. So it is a tool to make it clear you are talking about the planet, and not dirt, in cases where that might not be clear. Since the context is quite clear here he can use it either way, and falls back to habit. Most uses of "the" may be a variation on this potential to distinguish something specific, which just becomes habit when there is no need to distinguish. For instance the link below suggests use of the article for places in English has a weak association with specification, specification of a part of, or greater whole, but is mostly habit too. www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,,-9544,00.html

[@-JORDXI-]

Vespin 😍🤲🏼

[@airballsonly]

Subscribed. Excellent video. Can’t wait to check out the others

[@derrick211000]

Great video.

[@stevestarr9769]

Mars, by far. Being stuck in the clouds of Venus (in a blimp or whatever) would be no better than being stuck in the clouds of earth or anywhere else. Even though Mars isn't the friendliest place, you can walk around on the surface and explore the planet.

[@la7dfa]

I agree, we are humans and designed to walk on a solid surface. I be we can build great habitats on Mars over time. But it will be quite challenging to live on Mars. It will be almost like living on the South pole during a mid winter storm.

[@diceflawless9115]

Explore a bunch of nothing. It's a huge red desert. I bet Venus has a lot more to look at

[@stevestarr9769]

@@diceflawless9115 It has a lot more to look at, true. If you like 900 degree weather that melts lead. 😆

[@diceflawless9115]

@@stevestarr9769 I mean they both will kill you lol. I thought we were talking hypothetically if you could actually choose

[@diceflawless9115]

@@stevestarr9769 I feel like if they can make subs that can withstand the pressure of the ocean bottom, they can eventually make a structure that can survive Venus 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@advvo9880]

my favorite space channel by FAR

[@slyktech1860]

The technology that needs to be made to make floating cities might be harder to get over there compared to tunnels under Mars.

[@TRDOT-III]

Balloons and Density NASA has a concept called HAVOC that explains how it works Blimps carrying homes or something like that

[@jj-ry2db]

The problem with mars is the gravity. With low gravity. The gravity at venus is perfect, but there you have other problems. I think they must start every planet. So the moon, mars and venus

[@replica1052]

mars - every mars garage to have an orbital rocket melt large amounts of ice with reflectors - water absorb dust and radiation as heat, boiloff be greenhouse insulation and atmospheric pressure (waterlocks as airlocks make living easy)

[@thomasaquinas2600]

How about neither? A miscalculation or failure of buoyancy above Venus would be it. A loss of some resource (air?) or protracted dust storm or harsh season would be it on Mars. Strangely enough, there's a much closer world that has unlimited solar power free, shelter in the form of its surface material, and the priceless proximity to Earth for rescue, supply or simple rotation of crew...And at a fraction of a fraction of the cost or time to complete...i.e. the Moon...

[@tarek42023]

The Problem with moon is the missing resources (not worth mining as far as I know and also no option do produce fuel)

[@edwinbowen781]

Space station marriage hope harmony space stations above Venus would be Great!

[@edwinbowen781]

Around Venus!

[@sprinter768]

I like the idea of taking excess CO2 from Venus and take it to Mars. I think out future is on Mars, not Venus, though.

[@locutus8496]

There's so much CO2 on Venus maybe it could be used on Mars, and also to greenhouse a few of Jupiter's moons as well.

[@PAnon-sama]

5:34 so we recently learned that there is active volcanoes in Venues.

[@lewisbell8058]

Thank you for not adding extremely annoying music that loops in the background

[@nekomakhea9440]

If you freeze the atmosphere with a sunshade, you have to expend a lot of effort to get it out of the gravity well. What if you went the other way, and used a swarm of power collectors in low sun orbit (or even just mirrors) to focus a crap ton of power beams on Venus in order to blast the atmosphere away into space? Basically speed up the rate of atmospheric erosion that's already happening due to the lack of magnetic field.

[@locutus8496]

The problem with Venus is access to material. With Mars you have an accessible surface and two small moons to provide the elements for building materials, life support and fuels. Since the Venusian surface is not accessible due to the thermal and atmospheric extremes, you have to cart all your materials in from elsewhere. I suppose Mercury or Earth's moon might be better candidates for this than Earth due to its shallow gravity well, but it's still a far cry from Venus having its own moon, which of course it does not have.

[@jasonbergman5781]

Thank you. I have pointed this out many times but people don’t seem to take anything away from the conversation.

[@lingyin6544]

I think the real problem with colonizing Venus is raw material problem: one reason why NASA decide to build manned research station on Mars because they have access to the soil and dust on mars, which can be used as construction materials for colony and other buildings. On Venus, however, you can't mine anything because you can't even get to the planetary surface, you'd have to either bring all your construction materials with you, which is very expensive, or you have to figure out how to use CO2 and sulfuric acid to make construction materials.

[@MaiderGoku]

Really good video, but we need execution not planning only.

[@Big.Ron1]

I would still like to go to Mars.

[@carsongbaker]

Honestly seems like Venus is the better play compared to Mars which doesn't have an atmosphere to start with - seems like there is some solution to strip the O2 off of the CO2 and make the atmosphere doable, instead of on Mars where there isn't material to work with

[@michaeldeierhoi4096]

Except there is just that little problem of the surface temperature of 880°F and acidic atmosphere from the high sulphur dioxide content. Oh, there is also the atmospheric pressure which is 90 times that of earth. Other then that it's all fine.

[@glencmac]

NASA also has a plan called HAVOC for a balloon scientific station in the clouds of Venus. I'd join in a minute.

[@DavidOlver]

Thank you

[@whotknots]

I have often wondered at the similar masses and orbits of Earth and Venus and speculated regarding their wildly divergent atmospheric and geologic circumstances regardless of such factors. Comparatively slight orbital differences aside, it is possible that primordial Earth resembled Venus in most significant regards. But what if for example a huge cometary impact occurred on Earth but did not to Venus. What if the impact gave Earth it's 'tilt' or inclination relative to the Sun and slight wobble also so crucial to our seasons. Due to gyroscopic precession such an impact could also have pushed the Earth into the elliptical orbit it currently occupies and fractured the mantle/crust of the planet instigating tectonic activity. We now understand that a combination of those factors instigated periodic cyclical effects such as cooling resulting in ice ages and subsequent global warming. Since they result in such effects now then they must have also done so when they first began. We also know from fossil coral deposits that there were once more days in a year than in the present meaning that the planet used to have a faster rotation but something slowed it down considerably meaning at least two impacts imparted sufficient energy to our planet to alter its dynamics. Tidal influences exerted by the Sun on Earths structure due to an elliptical orbit could contribute sufficient heating not only to sustain Earth's molten core but enable existence of the magnetic field so vital to protecting the planet from solar radiation. Progressive instigation for that magnetic field as the planetary core became hotter could explain one or more 'polar reversals' known to have occurred during the planets history. Such a combination of events combined with a prolonged 'nuclear winter' effect created by massive quantities of dust introduced to the upper atmosphere could, have resulted in permanent net reduction to atmospheric temperature within vacillating parameters we are currently experiencing for the first time. The ratio of specific minerals determined by relatively recent analysis of relevant deposits indicates that at some stage in its history Earth was subject to massive and prolonged volcanic activity. If, the postulated low density but substantial volume of a cometary mass was large enough, was traveling at significant velocity on just the right vector and was comprised largely of water ice and possibly even frozen oxygen as many comets probably are, particularly if they formed in and were displaced from the Oort cloud. Then temperatures prevalent at the time of and subsequent to such an impact could probably result in tremendous quantities of vaporized water becoming high altitude clouds taking vast quantities of heat with them. By calculating the energy and vector requisite to moving a planet with the mass of Earth from a circular to elliptical orbit while contributing the planetary tilt, it should be possible to approximate the requisite mass for such a comet and therefore the volume of water it would have to contain. Clouds have a high albedo which means they reflect a large proportion of solar energy particularly in frequency ranges which contribute warming effects, that would also enhance cooling of the planet eventually resulting in water vapor condensing into liquid and falling as rain. If, all this eventually cooled the Earth sufficiently for simple forms of life and possibly, even life present within such a comet to proliferate. Then metabolic processes inherent to that life might have progressively sequestered vast quantities of atmospheric carbon dioxide as prolific deposits of 'fossil' hydrocarbon and other carbon deposits such as graphite, calcium carbonate and carbide, methane and natural gas along with many others present in Earth's crust. At the same time it might have liberated the oxygen currently present in Earth's biosphere as well as covalently bound in minerals and other compounds.

[@IberianCraftsman]

"acid clouds" ...so you would need to build with corrosion resistant materials too

[@billblaski9523]

Its day is longer than its year, i still cant imagine what that would look like or how that works

[@expecto1982]

1:08: That is Pluto on the left. Dark matter entities see things very differently from normal people. In their dark world, the Dark Mars light appear “Venus” to them. But they are afraid of Wax Doll Venus because its double Uranus and would disappear them.

[@BodaciousBeaversEaters]

why cant you speak our white racist?

[@dianeneedham6703]

Neither really sounds great, but from a logistical standpoint, Mars seems plausible.

[@VRtechman]

My biggest concern is what kind of Lifeforms have evolved in the Vensunsìon Cloud layer? 🤔

[@br1rocks]

Quick question, at 50km up, doesn’t the wind blow at 100’s of km per hour? Could be a pretty bumpy ride

[@matthewkramer8578]

The extremely long daytime and then nighttime really puts a damper on plant life ever existing on the surface….

[@willyolio9590]

venus colonization would be great if we could learn to produce graphene or other useful materials from starch, and fully automate the process. Bring a few plants there inside the floating balloons first. They produce oxygen while extracting CO2. Use the plant material to produce more balloons. If we can make this fully automated, we can just plop a few of these throughout the atmosphere and then in a decade or so we'll have a whole bunch of ready-made balloons floating around ready for humans, full of oxygen and potatoes

[@markoradivojevic5717]

One of the most interesting things upon first human arrival ever, or after a long time, on any celestial body, will be finding remainings of previously sent probes, rovers, satellites and other machines we've sent. It will be like finding long lost friend and a reminder how little we knew and were able to do and how far we have come.

[@PaulZyCZ]

First Humanity needs some serious space mining (asteroids, Moon) and large space stations. That could solve both issues with radiation and low gravity of Mars or lack of mineral resources on Venus. Then both Mars and Venus colonies could really take off. Before that I see only small outpost on Mars and minimal scientific outpost on Venus (blimp more likely). Venus is better in all things except you cannot really mine anything other than rocket fuel, carbon and energy. At least not without brute-forcing some sort of mining solution which would involve active cooling and might go beyond space hooks or space fountain. Basically scooping the material from the surface or building a base on the hellish surface (pump the excess heat into stratosphere maybe).

[@satek85]

Thx for great video. How about north/south pole temp? Why not place of pre-colonizing baloons with some kind of algae/moss to start converting co2 in oxygen, slowly but surely. Offcourse there is still a problem of acids but it's just a loose idea. ;)

[@roberthansen329]

here is an idea use high speed winds to create a rotation of the plant and that my create a magnetic field and also drop the temperature on the surface . the winds up high are moving fast but the surface is hardly moving at all. connect the two.

[@dietergould8197]

Why not just explode a nuclear Nitrogen bomb... it would probably transform the co2 atmosphere. Into more tolerable living conditions therefore you wouldn't need all that hardware which would take how many years into transforming the atmosphere?

[@victorbellew3759]

Rocket lab has talked extensively about sending a probe to Venus. They have a plan to use one of their Photon rockets to send it and have all the necessary technology to do it in house.

[@worldsboss]

Three habitable planets in this solar system 😍

[@gregpekar7328]

Floating in clouds is better solution to multiplanet species. But need a better solution to radiation. Venus has a weak ionosphere caused by solar wind interaction with upper atmosphere, but not nearly strong enough. Maybe possible to stay on the dark side in a solar powered zeppelin?

[@caseytodd7632]

Someone just needs to tell Elon that there is no way he could get to Venus.. We'd be sending Falcon Heavy there in 2025....

[@radinelaj3932]

Instead of Mars/Venus, why he/we doesn't/don't make/ convert deserts into a habitable area, there is lots of surface there, many people can live there ( if there are the conditions). Big cloud project : You can make/produce a( thick harmless) giant cloud above Africa/ deserts ( covering it all), it can decreasing 30% of heat, or more . Thermos project : You can make giant thermos in deserts , building cities inside it , but filling its walls with air( not with vacuum),that is easier , important is to be the dark/ shadow between two walls of giant thermos,that is sufficient , is it not necessary to make vacuum inside the walls of thermos , but is sufficient be /set the dark/shadow between two walls of thermos, that is sufficient to create a cool area inside the thermos( without vacuum),( similar things ), so it is giant thermos almost( it is not exactly a thermos). Hole project : You can dig/ pierce make make a giant hole inside ( under of surface of deserts building many cities/neighborhoods inside it( like giant thermos inside it ) , it would be cool weather( normal temperature )there , ( under the surface) Floating islands( project) : You can choose/ find positions on ocean's surface which has normal temperature ( cool weather) and build floating islands there . There is a lot of surface there.

[@DaveEverett01]

for the best solar options, they should colonise the sun.

[@NetarAlt]

I would be burning if I live in the Sun!

[@caenterprisellc6922]

I was researching and seriously thinking about Venus but not for colonization.

[@ckdigitaltheqof6th210]

You could camp, not colonize Venus, render in the high clouds or deep valleys between far wide clear of lava & rain scorching burn overhead. In pure artifical domes/bubbles/station habital render zones.

[@johnadan3509]

Venus Clauds tourism is more easier to perform than Mars cause distance and conditions my question is 🤔 where do you get the water from 🤔

[@bluesteel8376]

I would think a simpler way to terraform would be to bring bacteria that convert CO2 to O2, cooling the planet and allowing us to breath. It would take a long time, but any terraforming project is an extremely long term project anyways.

[@velislavkertikov6424]

''If we figure out a way to turn all that CO2 into O2, we can solve this." said someone, who has never seen a green plant in his life

[@karlmahlmann]

I dont think Mars can ever be terraformed. It doesn't have enough mass to hold an earth-like atmosphere. Venus is more promising, but there's just something I like about earth's magnetosphere. I don't think it's an extra part that we don't really need. Maybe we should colonize the bottom of the ocean, or Antarctica.

[@frajola_br]

Burrow underground on Mars

[@BodaciousBeaversEaters]

try getting your head out of your cartels as nygars

[@brycejohnson6209]

Why is the question always 'Mars OR Venus'? If you can do one, doing the other should be a straightforward matter. Assuming, of course, there is sufficient reason to colonize either.

[@brucecook1883]

I think it would be good to send a team to each planet.

[@davidekerold9071]

I think that neither options are correct. I believe we will develop a rocket that travels at around the speed of light. I also think that the Webb telescope will discover a habitable planet in one of the universes.

[@anthonyfrias5533]

I hope I live long enough to see it become a reality.

[@firesofcreation]

If they sent a probe to the Venusian clouds in 1984, why aren’t there any photos?

[@jameshorton9316]

Why?

[@MrAlexscara]

What a weird mix of scientific units of measurment and then ... miles, furlongs, etc.

[@josephhartwell6214]

I want to know who is training to live in these colonies and who is training for it

[@Comicsluvr]

The main reason why so many people are so hooked on living on Mars is because the red planet has a better agent. Seriously, Mars looks better through a telescope. It's the one everyone writes about. Movies have been made about it more often than there have been good Star Wars movies. Face it...Mars has a better social network. If it doesn't have its own Facebook page it will soon. However, Mars is TERRIBLE to live on. On the flip side, Venus has a lot of perks. Solar power? Yep...tons of it. Gravity? Yep... fewer worries about bone loss and other health issues. There are gasses and temperature variations that can be used to generate vital minerals and power.

[@augustagajoshestep]

Both. We should do both.

[@doltsbane]

Yeah, you could build a habitat in the atmosphere of Venus but you'd have to supply it from space with everything but carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, sulfur, and a wee bit of hydrogen. Surface mining would be out of the question, the longest any machine has managed to survive there is about 2 hours.

[@flournoymason8961]

Mars would give us land mass but having said that I wouldn't want to live on either planet.

[@expecto1982]

“Science” is quite a matter of perspective.

[@marcozolo3536]

Venus seems to have more long term potential. Especially if microgravity becomes a real issue on Mars. Firstly let's be clear, power generation is going to be a major stifling factor on Mars, unless we go nuclear. Otherwise Venus has copious amounts of solar energy, this could prove critical for running In situ resource utilisation, of oxygen and water sequestration through acid rain and excess carbon dioxide in its atmosphere. The real question will be which planet is easier for oxygen sequestration and water. Perhaps Mars polar ice caps will make it the easiest. But if you were to colonise everywhere else in Mars you might find an event split between Venus and Mars when it comes to self sustainability. Reliable Venus cloud habitats however might become a major driving force for the development of hardy and efficient habitat modules surviving extreme environments. Could prove a useful technology when colonising other celestial bodies in the far future, like Titan.

[@rattanameas6351]

How are you going to deal with the Sulfuric Acid Rain, your habitat will be deteriate?

[@TheLAGopher]

Carbon based ceramics made from the atmosphere

[@fc1ant]

What are we gonna do about the 116 day long day? Days will be extremely hot and nights will be extremely cold. I suppose the solar shield could help with the day time but that probably would make the nights colder. How could you spin up an entire planet?

[@zachscombat]

Why would you go closer to the Sun.

[@executivesteps]

How about neither?

[@Stranger69in]

Both but each pose their own challenges

[@jamespeterson4125]

Floating in the clouds of Venus sounds good, but then, where do you get your resources? You don't get them from the surface, because it's hot enough to melt lead. No, we might build floating research centers in the atmosphere of Venus, but everything must be imported there. Mars is the only viable answer here.

[@starlex8334]

The atmosphere i'm not a scientist but I think there are some good resources up there

[@dokkiro]

Yes!

[@jasongaylord1404]

I think one of the best bodies in our solar system to colonize is Titan

[@BodaciousBeaversEaters]

and how much have you done to get anything in space cuck?

[@sarcasmo57]

Fly me to the moon and let me dance among the stars.

[@CrazyLeoNet]

I like the far out ideas of colonization, but what about the lack of magnetic field? 🧲 Thanks for the cool videos!

[@obduliocerceno4984]

Wow, to colonize Venus seems to me same as colonizing hell!

[@davidlang4442]

No boots on the ground there... ever!

[@charlesdudek7713]

It depends on if you would rather freeze or burn up. 😁

[@trmon8890]

Could we some way. fly through the atmosphere of Venus collect the CO2 then store it in a docking station in orbit where SpaceX could transfer it to Mars?