Should "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot" be banned by the Rugby Football Union for its links to slavery?

[@oldskoolrools3087]

The fans are the silent majority who believe this is all madness, and will never stop singing, so it's a pointless discussion

[@aconcernedcitizen6056]

@sceptic simon you have a good point there

[@xkueen]

Get over your racism.

[@stretfordender11]

He thinks slaves were around 100 years ago. He has no clue

[@malcolmoluwasanmi6398]

The point was its not a pointless discussion anymore. At least in my opinion I love the song but im also glad RFU are starting to review things just as Martin said.

[@stretfordender11]

@@malcolmoluwasanmi6398 there is nothing to review. This cancel and victim culture will get people nowhere

[@imanomad557]

LATEST BLM SPORTS NEWS, Snooker is to be banned, because the white ball hits the black ball......... This country has gone mad

[@SG-rv4gr]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@possys2]

thats not as silly as it sounds.

[@thelasthourgetready]

Thats decision had nothing to do with blm.

[@matthewmeehan9155]

Today's satire, tomorrow's headlines.

[@stephensullivan1981]

Hahahahahaha

[@imanomad557]

Simple BOYCOT professional sport, hurt them in the wage packet... Enough is enough

[@andylowe3564]

Spot on Don't watch Don't attend Ignore the lot Life's to short Third world here we come

[@lawrencehaynes6408]

Stop talking and do it then, you won't be missed. I don't think you realize how insignificant you are lol

[@lawrencehaynes6408]

@Donald Mackay interesting so you admit there are a lot of racists in this country that will racial abuse black players because they can't sing a song. And you wonder why Black lives matter has so much support 😂😂😂

[@stephensullivan1981]

I’d like to see same done to AJ

[@The_Greedy_Orphan]

They havn't banned it yet, but if they try, then just ignore any match officials who try to stop you and have everyone sing it in defiance of those who try to clamp down on freedom of expression and freedom of speech.

[@MrNewyork1975]

This is becoming increasingly ridiculous now!

[@Kanaka38]

I agree, first it was PC, now it's racism and BLM. We are not a backward third world country, so why should we accept being dragged backwards to being just that. It was all blown up out of proportion because an armed robber and drug addict was murdered in America by the police, the four policemen involved have all been charged and thrown out of the police force. The point being the man was not a hero, and it happened in the USA, so what has it got to do with the U.K. ? All I see is a bunch of third world morons that can barely speak English, have never done a days work in their lives, running around shouting and looting. REMEMBER THE DRUMMER SOLDIER MURDERED IN LONDON, WHERE WERE THE PROTESTERS THEN? HYPOCRITES ALL OF YOU.

[@astronomicallybased545]

Mate I fucking 100% agree with you soon we won’t be able to have our own opinions without being called racist

[@mickuljatheseagull]

Yes Martin, if you were born three hundred years ago you could've been a slave. If I was born a thousand years ago I could've been a slave (I'm white). What's your point?

[@almac2598]

Check out the Barbary Pirates and the raids on the coast of South West England and Ireland, not to mention the coasts on the way here. You could have been a slave a lot later than that.

[@almac2598]

@Donald Mackay An early form of conscription in Wartime and they were paid.

[@thegreenknight2658]

How has Britain benefited from multiculturalism? A fantabulous range of restaurants? Just look at the state of the country! I'd rather live off egg and chips.

[@Myfaceuh]

Don't forget rap! Its help produce a fabulous generation.

[@nazmulmiah6058]

Just restaurants? How about all the black athletes competing for British sports teams? How about South African/Zimbabwean/New Zealand born cricketers playing for England? How about the talented musicians of Caribbean or Asian heritage? How about the black and Asian actors who have won academy awards? What about talented doctors from India and Pakistan that are working on the front line of the NHS? I could go on...

[@sausageroll59p41]

You know your country ain’t your country when the number one dish is curry and the most popular baby name is Mohammed! Used to be proud of this country now i can’t stand it! We’re Second class citizens

[@nazmulmiah6058]

SausageRoll 59p this is an embarrassing comment. Firstly the most popular boys name on the Uk is Oliver (check ONS). Secondly the only people that eat curry in restaurants are white Brits who made it popular! Not sure where you’re going with this ridiculous statement...

[@jozza1005]

Well there is a surplus of chips , look on peoples shoulders.

[@5tanne5on5ea]

Let everyone sing this song at 3.00pm on Saturday. Rugby fans will NOT accept this nonsense!!!

[@danielwatson3273]

If it is a "racist" song we should sing another song what about Mammy by Al Jolson? That is about mums so we should be ok with that!

[@danielwatson3273]

@leeuwin1962 listen to yourself, what a joke! 😂😂

[@danielwatson3273]

@Stanley Draper Oh shut up you massive diva! That's right rule Britannia love it or leave it you could travel the world signalling your virtue!

[@bmwnasher]

Let's have a 1984 society, no past no future just the moment, you will obey,me, god are we going down a very very dangerous road this has to stop.

[@Darren-ob6uh]

Well War is Peace to the "protesters"

[@sagittariusa2283]

Straight to room 101 for you Winston 😂😂😂

[@Stacey16......]

2020, the year that people lost their minds

[@nastayquan6128]

It's getting silly now.

[@kevNCC-D]

I thought last year was bad. But god thay have raised the bar this year

[@Jezza_One]

@@nastayquan6128 Not silly. Its becoming sinister and threatening.

[@mrdemocracy7106]

Not all people a minority of people in the country pulling the strings.

[@xkueen]

Hey, get over your racism.

[@criticalbiker1273]

How about banning black rap songs that glorify violence.

[@Stacey16......]

Exactly, they throw the N word around, bang on about shooting people and are disrespectful towards women but that's fine

[@lawrencehaynes6408]

Are they played at the rugby as well, I had no idea 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@thepatriot7726]

What ever will the Neanderthals listen to if they done that

[@MrDazturismo]

Good luck with this, the England fans will now sing this louder than ever.

[@david-ky7rt]

NO..... THE SONG MUST BE BANNED

[@MrDazturismo]

@@david-ky7rt Good luck with that

[@ph5056]

@@david-ky7rt ...you got no chance !

[@georgerussellfan6353]

@@david-ky7rt Swing low, sweet chariot Coming for to carry me home Swing low, sweet chariot Coming for to carry he home Swing low sweet chariot Coming forth to carry me home Swing low sweet chariot Coming forth to carry me home I looked over Jordan and what did I see Coming for to carry he home A band of angels coming after me Coming for to carry me home Swing low, sweet chariot Coming for to carry me home Swing low, sweet chariot Coming for to carry me home If you get there before I do Coming for to carry me home Tell all my friends I'm coming too Coming for to carry me home Swing low, sweet chariot Coming for to carry me home Swing low, sweet chariot Coming for to carry me home

[@clueman88]

Sing it even LOUDER!

[@xkueen]

Sure go ahead. This little cat fight will be over soon enough.

[@buckers67buck77]

@@xkueen yes, and it's who who will lose. Guaranteed.

[@danielwatson3273]

@@xkueen once you've had your hissy fit you'll realise you've achieved nothing! The average person in the street just doesn't care you diva!

[@joffey1212]

what about the slave trade of under age white girls by black people in Rotherham etc

[@richardhall6034]

That's ok because it's part of their culture and religion

[@baggs739]

Well commented. 👍

[@gwmitchell1980]

Shhhhhhhhh.

[@mattford9044]

Not 1 white person in the Jackson five. .did we complain?

[@fireflyrobert]

This song is based on the chariot of fire which lifted Elijah to heaven, see 2 Kings 2. The hope that there will be an eternal relief from earthly suffering, such as slavery. What would they do if people started singing it? Stop the match? The lunatics are now running the asylums.

[@thelasthourgetready]

Its a song of freedom and hope. Im black and i love the song. Everyone sings it.

[@penelopepissedoff9161]

A truly moving and beautiful song, sing it loud and proud for all to hear.

[@willgibbons1733]

The origin of swing low was started by a church group at twickenham against ireland I think. Nothing to do with Martin offiah. Nothing to do with racism.

[@thelasthourgetready]

It was actually started by a group of slaves as a song of freedom and home. Its silly to ban it because everyone can and does sing it.

[@oldnikonian343]

@@thelasthourgetready I think it's an awesome spiritual/gospel song that shows that although black slaves may have had manacles on their legs that kept their physical bodies in bondage, their hearts were still free and they were awaiting the Lord to come and gather them and take them home... John 8: 31,32,36 Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed." But free from what? Free from the consequences of sin... Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. John 8: 34 Jesus: "Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin." So instead they became voluntary slaves to righteousness Romans 6: 17,18, 22 Thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness. Now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. It's where all the gospel blues came from that have inspired today's popular music, i.e. it can all be traced back to that. So shall we ban it all? No, we should keep all it in remembrance of the suffering that caused the bulk of a certain people to turn to God for the spiritual freedom of redemption in place of the physical freedom that sadly eluded them on this earth. God only knows how many of them will be in heaven who wouldn't have been were it not for the suffering of slavery that drove them into Gods arms, for He works in mysterious ways, His wonders to perform. Sure, the slave trade was a dark cloud in human history, but could the redemption of those suffering people be the silver lining? I like to think so.... Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake. Matthew 16: 24~28 Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. 26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. He will gather His people and take them home and the black believers will be among them. Here they are depicted in heaven... Revelation 7:9 I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes (the credited righteousness of Christ) and were holding palm branches in their hands. Galatians 3: 6~9 Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” 7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. What a way to turn a negative into a positive.

[@oldnikonian343]

@Robert Gray The origin of it at rugby matches may never truly be known, but the origin of the song is well known. See my reply to the poster known as TheEndIsHere FinalWarning.

[@MAC-mp2hu]

The silent majority think this is madness. It’s time to stop being silent

[@sarahemerson6567]

Still trying to dismantle this country, piece by piece

[@lawrencehaynes6408]

Yep that's the plan and there's nothing you can do about it 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Mr4skinhead]

its like telling the welsh to stop singing calon lan,aint going to happen.

[@87stevan]

Thats cuz the Welsh is raYciSts...

[@astronomicallybased545]

87stevan nah they ain’t most of them are nice blokes my mums side is welsh and are the most accepting people in the world

[@baggs739]

Don't worry that will be on the hit list of the left wing socialist nazis. They are no different from Adolf and his parties beleifs, that's where the hatred towards Churchill and Jews comes from. Horrible conts the lot of em. To make it worse the neo left are now using our black community for their own political gains. A song written by a native American and adopted by African Americans a long time ago and they want to ban it. 😭😂😭😂 What a compete joke that lot really are. All this will come to an abrupt end soon, its getting far to ridiculous just like the people on the far left side of politics.

[@Stacey16......]

Don't know how true it is but I heard today they want to ban the Welsh from singing Delilah

[@craphead9842]

stick 2 fingers up to them all... regards Tony

It will only be one, because I cant be bothered with two over this crap

[@david-ky7rt]

The flag will be next

[@jillfrancis8380]

May I state the obvious that this song refers to Elijah being whisked to heaven in a chariot 2 Kings 2:11 and references salvation.

[@loremawby3161]

Leave these songs alone as well as all our Historic statues stop behaving like ISIS and taliban

[@mattmcintosh3939]

Why is it when people are crying about slavery they only acknowledge the Atlantic triangle slave trading that occurred for a few hundred years. They never talk about how African tribes were selling Africans to European for hundreds of years, they never talk about Egyptians and their use of slaves for hundreds of years, they never talk about the Barbary Pirates of North Africa who enslaved over one million Europeans in a one hundred year period, they never talk about the slavery that was practiced by the Arabs in the past and more importantly to this very day. Seems to me that slavery is only a crime if your white!

[@joannelist4132]

The worlds gone mad "We cant say anything, we cant do anything".

We are being turned into compliant slaves, well we will not comply

[@jnaughton9501]

In the 60’s I was in the school choir & we sang at the Festival Hall. One of the songs was the ‘Banana Boat’ song. I don’t expect that would be allowed now? No one mentions that there are areas in British towns where white people aren’t welcome, like Luton Rotherham etc.

[@ivorwindybottom7364]

Does anybody know where the breaks are on this train of destruction ?

[@deanwinchester5982]

It’s not madness, it’s a calculated attack

[@xkueen]

Wow. You're paranoid. Go and take a nap. You're not you when you're racist.

[@deanwinchester5982]

Linn Ww rather be called a racist without any evidence, than be a mindless drone who ironically is a racist ( soft bigotry of low expectations)

[@warrior3221]

Are you seriously telling me that when England play rugby anywhere in the world and the patriotic crowd start singing swing low sweet charity that the fascist thought police are going to go into that crowd and arrest everyone singing that brilliant song, Good luck with that. I will never bend the knee for anyone and I will never stop singing swing low at a rugby ground or in a pub. Enough is enough this madness has to stop .Boris FFS stop this insanity or you risk losing the silent majority and all respect.

[@gstraveler1]

The censors are deleting comments on this video.

[@biffgrimes.8345]

Maybe the spotlight needs shining on the Black music awards.

[@chrisc3197]

Are we gone completely mad the answer to this is to sing it LOUDER

[@rijamor]

I was waiting for this. Well I truly hope the great rugby family rebels against this and sings it even louder!

[@kevNCC-D]

How do u stop thousands of fans in the stands singing it.

[@terrortorn]

Firstly we don't need to take the opinions of extremist minorities as statements of fact and the background to the song clearly is the opposite of an endorsement of slavery. And Martin if you'd been born in Africa during the times of slavery the slave catchers you'd need to evade would have been BLACK. And someone should tell Talk Radio Martin has never represented England RFU he was a Rugby League international and we do not sing SLSC in Rugby League. His nickname of "Chariots" Offiah is down to his great running ability Sweet FA to do with the song.

[@marieminns7315]

R.F.A should be ashamed of themselves i will never stop singing it and shouldnt even enter peoples head.That won't happen

[@steveharrison4249]

Stop this lunacy now. This is going way way too far. Boris needs to step forward.

[@lazio-westham7159]

If it’s banned it will probably be sung at football as well

[@gavinbissell8847]

It's link to slavery was that it was anti-slavery...so are these people pro slavery?

[@hadenough2857]

When is someone going to do a programme on the slaves in Africa enslaved by Africans???

[@StevenFTM]

They do realise how insane this makes their entire movement look?

[@TheJoshsargent]

You well never ban the song, we will sing it on the terraces no matter what , if we ban this we will have to ban the New Zealand teams Hukka . Political madness gone mad . All lives Matter .

[@craphat1873]

Go and do one. I will continue to sing it beside my fellow rugby supporters

[@InsideTheDarts]

Thumbs up if you think this Madness. Wherever you are from

[@Rikky999]

When they review these things they need to take context into account. Obviously rugby fans aren’t singing it to insult black players or fans.

[@jerryhickey4858]

The same as liverpool fans singing fields of athenry this song is about the irish famine where a million people starved to death and another million or so more were forced to leave ireland for the USA on what were called coffin ships as many people died on the voyage j mc donnell labour is a liverpool fan being irish myself I know my history and the liverpool fans don't sing this song to be racist

[@thelasthourgetready]

I'm black and I love the song. Its a song of freedom, hope and redemption based on the bible. Just like the song AMAZING grace. There are many positive things that came out of slavery that can inspire everyone.

[@thelasthourgetready]

@ukn leo1 I wouldnt say the pyramids thats a result of brutal slavery but the story behind the pyramids i.e the lives of Joseph and Moses those are inspirational stories of freedom, success, triumph, leadership and victory.

[@dzanastrabuna]

The age of insanity and evil. This song is beautiful and full of hope, never stop singing

[@realMaverickBuckley]

This is utterly insane. I'm happy to invite people into our culture but if you think I'm gonna just set fire to my family's culture you can stick it where the sun dont shine. I'll sing whatever I want to sing. Cultural appropriation is absurd, all cultures have been sharing each others cultures for thousands of years. I dont care if a black dude or lass dyed their hair blonde or straightened their hair or wore trousers or a Tie . If they play rugby is that not the same cultural appropriation ? To have a successful multi cultural society dont we need to be tolerant if British culture too? The UK was not an empty void that needed all new culture implemented. We have a long and interesting history. One side of my family can be traced back to the 1100s. This is so absurd now, 89% of Brits say they would have no problems if someone of another ethnicity married and had kids with their son or daughter. 92% said they'd have no problem with someone of another race living next door to them. The ethnicity that expressed most displeasure with these that made up over a third of the remaining 8% *wasnt even white!*. What more do they want? We either take a stand and start speaking up when these crazies keep telling us if we dont do what they want then we're racist, or lose our culture and dignity forever.

[@DarrenHarrison7160]

I think it's time for the sleeping tiger to wake up....

How can you ban the singing of Eric Clapton songs?

[@sjruksjruksjruk]

What about the MOBO awards that racist surely

[@quackneck]

It's only way they will win owt, cos let's face it, there music is fuckin dogger.

[@pommiebears]

ABSOLUTELY NOT! 😡🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧

[@BigAlFiGala]

A slave 100yrs ago? Outrun your family/ freinds who were more than happy to sell their kin? How about we have a conversation about whats been happening to white farmers in Africa? I have met a few in my time and all have the same story

[@scotfoot]

Martin may even have owned or sold slaves, 150 years ago, according to African history. Get your facts right.

[@georgeparsons7144]

To be honest Martin Offiah is about right i would say. Keep the song! Music means different things to different people. Its taken on a new meaning to England RFU supporters, its a wonderful song and should continue to be sung...if not it'll be forgotten. I was aware of the origins of the song a decade ago but it hasn't stopped me singing it when England play.

[@chrisc3197]

If they are good enough they get picked if they are not they don't simple as that nothing to do with colour

[@rijamor]

You are way off the mark. Have you seen the french football team? Have you seen US basketball teams? Have you seen US football teams? Have you seen most track teams? Get real.

[@chazsach6594]

Should i feel guilty driving on black tarmac roads.

[@Welshpatriots]

Like you got the power and the authority to make this happen ha ha ha they tried before and it failed miserably. We will just keep singing it louder!!!

[@truckerfromreno]

Middle class lefties love rugby union. I'm rugby league myself so I support my country and democracy.

[@stuartyaxley6689]

What about the fact that Slavery began in North Africa with the Barbary Pirates?

[@myobs]

I'm getting a little tired of the 'likes' not registering on some of these well executed and considered comments! What is the point in taking the time to comment if you cannot gauge the reaction of the people viewing them?

[@merxeddie6474]

Let’s ban language altogether and just grunt and gesticulate then it will impossible to offend anyone.

[@Kanaka38]

If you allow these protesters to take over, you will soon get your wish granted. Most of them already have a problem speaking English properly.

[@shaunryan6]

Julia slave owners were paid reparations because taking of property by the government had to be compensated. This is a horrible fact, slaves were property, another way of looking at it is that the UK government and the public were prepared to put their hands in their pockets to end an abhorrent practice.

[@SirBorisHayter]

I thought the government bought the slaves' freedom?

[@shaunryan6]

@@SirBorisHayter Yes but the Royal Navy enforced the 1812 treaty prohibiting the transportation of slaves across state lines. Many RN members lost their lives and we found ourselves in conflict with the USS

[@iamkinginmycastle2018]

In viking time in UK about 10 % of society was slaves. First slaves in Bristol were white people enslaved by vikings.

[@Jerome-gs1nw]

Getting more ridiculous by the day. When will this Country stand up, fight back and tell them Enough. NO MORE

[@rodbutler3537]

No. What happened in the past has nothing to do with today's living. There are to many people using the past for there own agenda 's.

[@H4WK6969]

"I get no kick from champagne..."

[@Porkcylinder]

Absolutely ban it...and listen to 80,000 stuff down your throat every single game because that’s what’ll happen.

[@darrylhewes2376]

What is happening is a form of sensership... Which in itself is a form of oppression... Which is what the whole thing is about... Where do you stop ? If we remove everything that could possibly could offend what do you have left?

[@mrkwxbenn]

BLAZING SADDLES

[@Joanna7428]

This song might be going AND cocoa pops ☹️ ...sad times folks 🙄

[@johndublyoo8675]

And now we see Uncle Ben's rice finding it necessary to change the packaging logo because of being accused of racism. The world is going crazy.

[@myobs]

You see, I genuinely thought that was a positive image to use in recognition of the collective African ethnic group but what do I know?

[@johndublyoo8675]

@@myobs Indeed!!

[@koolkev2020able]

I thought it was silly when a former MP said coco pops cereal is racist. Now this, it getting ridiculous. 😢

[@jb3222]

Sing whatever we want, whenever we like. It's called freedom

[@lynncuthbert2307]

Cultural Marxism is in full view. Leave us alone!! 👍👍

[@sidsnot6952]

👍👍👍👍

[@venataciamoon2789]

We have become too soft and now we are being walked over. This country has lost its way.

[@sandiemcglynn6360]

No, continue to sing it. This is ridiculous.

[@arbaabsheytaan6723]

Shall we crucify early Hard Rock / Heavy Metal bands such as Led Zeppelin, Judas Priest and Black Sabbath for culturally appropriating the blues scale, which was invented by Afro-American musicians? Shall we?

[@TheOffroader7458]

Iam not racist, but this could make me

[@dmonck1402]

A very good exchange of views from Martin Ofiyah, who is perfectly placed to comment on this issue and remains articulate and reasonable in his insistence that looking at and investigating certain alleged instances of racism through ignorance of the original meaning or intent.

[@banjoloverdave6374]

Try stopping 20000 fans in a stadium singing .

[@tomcobly8667]

Load of bollocks. Never stop us from singing it.

[@christopherwithers999]

this is getting stupid now this country isn't racist if this country was racist why would anyone want to come here

[@cccCCCccc123ccc]

When I hear this song I think of funerals, not slavery. We sung it at my grandmas funeral. Are they trying to tell me we shouldn’t have sung it?

[@leetester8612]

Thanks Julia. Very good interview. You continue to talk sence and ask the right questions.

[@christinemary7101]

Appeasement makes me sick , this has to stop

[@barryallen7894]

Dear me..is this crap getting out of hand? Why should we abolish all our history background beliefs and identity because of others?

[@matt94alexander32]

NO! Get a grip everybody!

[@maesy6730]

Much ado about nothing, if you need me, i ll be on a river somewhere, fishing, till they ban it.

[@barbarossa5700]

Whats next the Flower of Scotland is offensive to the English..... GOOD! cause that was the point! Tongue and cheek!

[@gretaivey3288]

I love the flower of Scotland ..like I love Scotland .I am English

[@nicholasviney5975]

Bend the knee one day it'll be crawl on your belly the next, there is no way to please these people nothing will ever work.

[@paulmg6031]

Swing Low Sweet Chariot and God Save The Queen. Stay strong my fellow compatriots ✊🏻

[@Nigelforemporor]

You get a range of people in the 100m fina....... OK maybe not

[@AdeToz]

The song wing low swing chariot came from story of prophet Elijah being taken up to heaven in the presence of his apprentice who later became prophet Elisha. Elisha's response at the sight of the Chariots of Fire was "My Father my father the chariots of Israel and its horsemen"

[@juanhunglow2220]

Lost a bit of respect for Offiah there. BTW, re basketball, didn’t they make a film called “White men can’t jump”....racist?

[@lawrencehaynes6408]

But they can't though lol 🤣🤣🤣

[@TommyBahama84]

Remember, a blackboard is now a chalkboard but a whiteboard is still a whiteboard.

[@Tackytiger74]

It's one thing to note the lack of black people involved in any organisation, it's quite another to automatically assume that it is due to racism.

[@wodens-hitman1552]

If they defaced Churchill's statue and burn the union flag then how long will it take them to find something offensive about Vera Lynn?

[@soulbrother08]

Well done Martin, very straight forward and eloquently put. That was then this is now,lets ALLmove forward,leave the over sensitive lefties abd the far far rights behind to squabble amongst themselces. Peace.