So what your saying is...that 3-4 is actually the better scheme but it’s just harder to find players who fit that scheme
@aariesharris78944 жыл бұрын
Kurt Wagner indubitably. 4-3 is great for teams that got great offenses
@ramelchilds74164 жыл бұрын
When I played Madden I mainly ran 3-4. When I coached football we ran the 335/353 (whatever you wanna call it) but honestly you can run a lot of defensive schemes as a form of another depending on personell (eg. You can run a 3-4 with 335 principles).
@rodrellgreen1674 жыл бұрын
Nickel, ideally your slot CB is a guy like Malcolm Jenkins or Mathieu (able to play safety effectively). It's hilarious because teams refer to 3-4 or 4-3 as base and nickel (the shit they use the most) is typically referred to as the sub package.
@daltonhinton78614 жыл бұрын
This is great content. Strategy like this is barely even talked about anymore. Awesome
@blake47704 жыл бұрын
just came here to drop a like, gotta spotify this been waiting for the next podcast 🙏
@destruct13374 жыл бұрын
We ran a hybrid defense so I got to experience both a 3-4 and a 4-3, and from a player's perspective, I would say the best is a 3-4. We ran a one-gap defense and it was much easier to use it in the 3-4 than the 4-3 because the 3-4 allowed people to get to their gaps faster. The 3-4 was also better because it was much easier to disguise blitzes because most of our rushers were already on the line of scrimmage. It did help that we had to interior linebackers that were fast and could play the run like nothing, but they struggled in when we ran 4-3 or 4-2-5. Team building wise I'm more 50/50 because while it is harder to find the right players to fit the scheme, I feel that when you do the run defense becomes impossible to take on.
@thomasfulton05054 жыл бұрын
If you use the 4-3 the way tom Laundry did it adding what I remember as the flex defense it was used great. Ultimately it depends on your players are they a 3 or 4 player . Is the guys true nose tackle or DT. Do you have a great nickel player that works better than a 4-3 or 3-4. I prefer 4-3 if all things equal I want to big massive DT to clog the middle.
@dre121bmore4 жыл бұрын
As a ravens fan bro it’s the 3-4 or nothing
@michaelmccourt49923 жыл бұрын
I agree coming from a long time Pats fan.
@bobbyraejohnson3 жыл бұрын
4-3 less flexible but more focused on one job example 4-3DE just worry about getting to the qb for the most part. Edge rushers in 3-4 have to worry about dropping too.
@HomemadeSubmarine4 жыл бұрын
I really think 3-3-5 is the future. You have the most speed and most flexible coverage ability out of really anything else.
@bobbyraejohnson3 жыл бұрын
And a 3-4 OLB typically dont cover as good as a 4-3 OLB. But also again teams usually line up in sub packages anyways.
@collinbenellicogley4 жыл бұрын
FINALLY SOMEONE DID A COMPARISON OF THE TWO STYLES! 4-3 is better but thank you! Finally!
@theblazikenbro4 жыл бұрын
When theres a dislike already smh why do people dislike without watching the full vid
@MisterVicky94 жыл бұрын
Thanks for clouting me up after I asked this question Marcus 😎
@CotyBasa-Oahustate8084 жыл бұрын
I prefer 4-3 over 3-4 because I like have 2 big boy DTs clogging up the guards and center so the Ends can Tee off on the Tackles. Both have their weaknesses like 4-3 isnt the best on coverage because you got 1 less person on coverage, which can make a difference, but is good against the run while 3-4 sucks on run plays, ESPECIALLY on stretch plays, but is good on coverage since theres more people on coverage. Both defenses are amazing if well put together.
@damiananders46934 жыл бұрын
Good insight. If you want any evidence to what he’s saying, look how quickly the Steelers defense fell apart a while ago and just how long it took to get every piece in place to have a good D. Great video 👍
@jasonstanciu40044 жыл бұрын
Maybe an idea for a future vid but Id love to hear your opinion on the left tackle vs right tackle value. Its long been considered that LT is significantly more important that RT because of the blind side. But with defenses lining up guys like Mack and Von Miller on the RT, is this logic now outdated?
@tuckertheyoutuber9014 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t we just call it 4-2 and 2-4 at this point cause we’re always running nickel these days
@ThatFranchiseGuy4 жыл бұрын
Could haha
@isaiahh41084 жыл бұрын
I’m a 4-3 guy it’s just more simple
@zenmaster164 жыл бұрын
I’m a Packers fan and we’ve been awful in the 3-4 since 2011. I’ve advocated for the switch to a 4-3 and just wish that we would.
@jameshoops104 жыл бұрын
4:33 correction sir, they made the change bc they were running a very conservative 3-4 scheme thus hiring steve spagnola who is known for his aggressive 4-3 defense and comes from the coaching tree one of the most aggressive 4-3 defensive coaches of all time jim johnson
@jdelia544 жыл бұрын
With regards to the NFL, it doesn't matter since you're in sub packages so much anyways. I guess it could technically make a difference depending on if you want an odd front (like 4i-0-5, TITE/MINT fronts, or a 3-3-5) for your sub package, but for your standard 4-2-5/2-4-5 sub packages it doesn't make much of a difference. With regards to high school and college, I'd probably say 3-4 since your OLB's will be a lot more flexible and can go in coverage. You can also transition into 3-3-5/Odd front sub package stuff a lot easier and get more speed on the field compared to always having 4 DL. The run fits will translate better too moving from Base Odd front to Sub Odd front compared to Base Even to Sub Odd.
@ThatFranchiseGuy4 жыл бұрын
I addressed your first comment early in the video.
@mikeoz66434 жыл бұрын
3-4 for sure
@theblazikenbro4 жыл бұрын
3-4 definitely
@FalconsATL4 жыл бұрын
Grady Jarrett!!!
@philipwithers3404 жыл бұрын
I will never ever like 3-4.
@BIGNOSEPOPPA3 жыл бұрын
Why? What's your opinion?
@kurtwagner3504 жыл бұрын
What happens if say throughout the college ranks 3-4 becomes more popular and we start seeing more players who fit those archetypes, would you then say a 3-4 is a better more efficient defense?
@ThatFranchiseGuy4 жыл бұрын
Perhaps. Right now these funky 3-3-5 defenses are making it harder and harder to evaluate college prospects
@kurtwagner3504 жыл бұрын
That Franchise Guy I appreciate your reply
@codyhighroller4 жыл бұрын
4-3
@connor97004 жыл бұрын
Nickel is the best scheme;)
@MGBillionaire4 жыл бұрын
neither. sub packages for the win.
@alexis66834 жыл бұрын
I really don't like this. You're conflating way too much in this argument. 3-4 and 4-3 are personnel groupings. An okie front, a combo front and a one gap 3-4 don't play anything alike, but can all come out of "3-4 personnel". All you're saying here is that a 3-4 Okie is worse than a 4-3 under. But thats completely different from saying 4-3 > 3-4. My 4+4 front won't play like a 505. And my 22 front plays a lot more like your description of a 3-4 than a 3-4 eagle does. Even though one is out of 4-3 personnel and the other is out of 3-4. Personnel Grouping != Philosophy This is just a simplistic "madden"-esque view of defense. You're better than this.
@reet-ko9lg4 жыл бұрын
Alexis Thomas not too sure he’s actually better than that. look at the vid length
@ThatFranchiseGuy4 жыл бұрын
So what did I say in this video that is wrong exactly?...
@alexis66834 жыл бұрын
@@ThatFranchiseGuy Nothing IF you assume that all 4-3s are over and under fronts and all 3-4s are Okies. Issue is that's just not true. Combo fronts, one gap 3-4s, 4-3 stacks, 4-3 combos and all those defenses is what messes this up. A 22 front plays a lot more like your description of a 3-4 than 315 does. And said 315 plays a lot more like your description of a 4-3 than a 22 does. Defensive Philosophy is determined by assignments, not by Personnel groupings.
@ThatFranchiseGuy4 жыл бұрын
@@alexis6683 as I said in the video this is much more about the philosophys of teams that run 4-3 vs 3-4 and the differences in supply and demand of the personell of these schemes. I'm not really interested in breaking down the Xs and Os of a bunch of different base fronts that NFL teams don't run often in 2020 anyway.
@alexis66834 жыл бұрын
@@ThatFranchiseGuy But that's an issue that really changes your point. Say I'm running a 3-4 eagle front like the Steeler have ran since forever, I need a two gapping Sam and can afford to have 3 tech types as my 4is, don't need a 5t. My 0 is only a one gap player, so he can be more like an under 1T, my Mike is also essentially covered, allowing for a traditional Will type to play there. Or a 3-4 under like Vic Fangio has ran in Chicago and now Denver. That front is essentially just a 4-3 defense out of 3-4 personnel. Your will is Covered, often fully, your IDL are generally onegapping, your Will is just a stand up DE and your Sam is a traditional Sam.
@ftc10484 жыл бұрын
i’d rather run a 3-4 have a great defensive end that can pass rush and the 2 EDGEs that stop the run then have the 2 outside lin backs pass rush while the linebackers and safety’s can go into coverage
@kailor4494 жыл бұрын
3-4 in madden. IRL? Idc. Go with what works for your defence
@damian.7394 жыл бұрын
Nickel
@owenkeenan10614 жыл бұрын
Wish the packers could move to a 4-3
@nickdoesrobloxnickdr4 жыл бұрын
You have no linebackers
@calebqueen20904 жыл бұрын
Owen Keenan y’all should move Rashan Gary to a 3-4 5 tech instead of having him a EDGE in that system but y’all couldn’t even do that
@ThatFranchiseGuy4 жыл бұрын
As someone who charts games for PFF, 3-4 teams in the NFL, when they do go "base". Usually don't have their DEs any wider than a 4i and the edge OLBs are in 5-7 techniques.
@ryanarteaga75054 жыл бұрын
caleb queen Isn’t a 5 tech playing outside?
@calebqueen20904 жыл бұрын
Ryan Taga a 5 tech is playing in between the guards and the tackles. Look at someone like Derek Wolfe for the Broncos or JJ Watt is also a 3-4 defensive end. Look where they line up most of the time