Should The Archbishop of York Resign?

There are now strong calls for the Stephen Cottrell the Archbishop of York to resign over his handling of a safeguarding case, especially as he is soon to take over looking after the Church of England when Justin Welby the Archbishop of Canterbury stands down early next year.
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[@cg8049]

Now 24,519 signed the petition for Cotrell's resignation Cleanse Your church Lord 🙏🏻

[@johnbristow8099]

Surely, if any cleric cannot go near children, or any other group, he or she should be removed from office on the grounds of capability alone.

[@lancersharpe]

If it were a lowly parish priest having done something similar they wouldnt even be afforded the dignity of resignation.

[@4evaavfc]

Looks like the CofE needs a clean out. If Welby had to go, so should Cottrell. If not, those who had the power to remove the dodgy priest should resign or be sacked.

[@lesliecruttenden2241]

We must not see this in isolation. The church of England needs to become the church of Jesus. It is too submissive to cultural changes which are against Scriptural teaching.

[@kevin_jeankevin4803]

It's sad how the Anglican Church is mired in ungodly behaviour and happenings! Here in India the clergy from the very top to the bottom are corrupt, crocked and greedy who are caught up in embezzlement, fraud, misappropriation of church funds, assets and properties running into millions of dollars. A Moderator, a few Bishops, priests and their family members are imprisoned and are facing multiple court cases. Yet Bishops and priests are not deterred and the Council and Synod are turning their heads the other way! Shame! Utter shame when all that was built up by genuine missionaries hundreds of years ago are now lost to the greed of those who have vowed to be faithful to the ministry! I'm from Shillong, the North East India and the current Bishop too is walking the path of self aggrandisement and immorality!

[@BeeRowntree]

Hidiing behind technicalities as an excuse not to resign is arrogant and un acceptable. The CofE should not be allowed to police itself and protect criminal clergy.

[@frsimonc.maddisonssc.7858]

In the word's of Cromwell: "For God's sake go!"

[@Broadwould]

I strongly suspect this official covering up of clergy misdemeanors has been going on for decades if not centuries. In most organisations protecting the brand always tops justice and morals. The church is no different.

[@NickNick-tp5cr]

Centuries. Selling the babies of unwed mothers, using those women as slave labour pay off their "debt". The unimaginable cruelty doled out in orphanages, and rampant child abuse worldwide.

[@graemeanderson1851]

Cottrel could have removed his licence in a heartbeat. Then Tudor may have brought a legal challenge. But vulnerable people would have been guarded during that time, and publicity would have protected them further. Also Cotterl could have issued a public statement of fact regarding Tudor. Cotterl did nothing because he lacked genuine care for the vulnerable and therefore didn't have the courage to do anything. He should go. Simple as that. The former bishop of Blackburn did show care and courage. Bless him.

[@daviflewis7670]

Everyone who knew about this sorrid man and did nothing should resign and ask themselves are they men of God who turned a blind eye.

[@roberthilsdon3900]

There are a number of bishops should go.

[@graemeanderson1851]

Do you know how hard it is to reach out to families with children? Very hard. The senior clergy are so, so much less accountable than frontline clergy. Many of them are a hinderance to frontline clergy.

[@NickNick-tp5cr]

If frontline clergy know its happening then they should act. There's no excuse.

[@alanhowe7659]

Yes. 100%.

[@Truthoncegiven]

I read that bishops were supporting him, but wasn’t that said for Welby and subsequently we learnt that some bishops called for him to resign privately

[@iainfoxell8543]

All those in some senior position who knew about it and did nothing should resign. No ifs buts or maybes.

[@Tom-gv2eo]

Yes .

[@BearDidIt]

Yes absolutely!

[@Raymond-w5i]

I left the C of E and now attend a Free Evangelical Church ✝️

[@johnbristow8099]

@@Raymond-w5i So do I!

[@catherinellewelyn-evans3693]

I was once in an evangelical church. I felt I wasn’t allowed to think for myself (or only within certain bounds). I am now an Anglican priest, loving my evangelical friends, but very happy in a much more liberal, open, church.

[@djpodesta]

@catherinellewelyn-evans3693 Have you considered that this commenter may be repeating himself because he is saddened by the loss of something dear to his heart? Where is your Christian empathy and Priestly counsel? Thankfully God always provides a way for the truly faithful to fellowship in praise and worship, in a manner that He intended. Blessings.

[@catherinellewelyn-evans3693]

@@djpodesta The difficulty is that I write, first, as just me, and hence my own frustration with the evangelical church came out. He, too, may have written from a sense of frustration - but if it was from a sense of being hurt, then, yes, I should have taken a kinder approach.

[@djpodesta]

@catherinellewelyn-evans3693 Unfortunately, I think that you misunderstand me. You are a blessing for the Godly who see through what is going on in the church today. We all know the figures. This fellow will eventually move on and find fulfilment elsewhere. However, you are quite correct about you being yourself when you write. Now we don’t have to worry about the Sunday facade either. We just have different definitions for the characteristics that God requires of His ordained servants. If it were me, I would have asked why and allow God to let him have his say. But I guess that God created us all with varying degrees of self importance. I will keep you in my prayers.

[@khumiburton3211]

Too much of Cover Up is the whole problem. He is ambitious but he should step down gracefully for the sake of the CofE to exist.

[@NickNick-tp5cr]

Of course he should resign, as should anyone who harbours, enables or defends an abuser. The c of e seems to believe its exempt from the law of the land and social morality. The sheer arrogance of clergy astounds me, and infuriates me. They know nothing of humility, humanity or kindness.

[@debbieshrubb1222]

There is no mandatory reporting law.

[@AllThingsTheology]

It’s his so-called ‘apology’ that gets me. The man has no shame and no credibility.

[@anneprice6372]

Yes - not just because of this latest problem

[@davidb4040]

1. He should never have been allowed back into ministry. 2. Who promoted him to Area Dean?!!! They need to go. 3. Cottrell not only allowed him to continue in that role, but presided over his appointment as a canon. His position is untenable and he should resign. This episode once again demonstrates that much of the CofE establishment are completely divorced from the reality of parish ministry.

[@formicapple2]

Seems to me people in authority hiding behind legal stuff.

[@glennewell2436]

The track record of many of the C of E Bishops is less than inspiring and includes all three of the senior Bishops in England. Even the outspoken Bishop of Newcastle has some safe guarding issues of her own. 'Go woke go broke' has never been truer.

[@iancallard3561]

Even if they'd had to pay off £300,000 to settle Tudor's dismissal they should have done it to hold any integrity. That's the only way you can clean up the culture, restore trust and find God's favour.

[@temiadeloye8800]

O yes please! And also all Bishops who voted to go against Bible teaching. Does anyone know how to access the signature link? Why would the bishops, in good conscience, want to remain in a job in which they cannot abide with its rules and teachings? But we must continue in prayers for them even after they resign. God welcomes all who repents.

[@Basaljet]

Ok so that solves the ordination of women problem by your reckoning

[@FredBriard]

CofE clergy is morally bankrupt! A lay receivership should be appointed and allowed to clean up the mess.

[@andybarton234]

It’s the superior unethical position that’s been held for decades. Clergy know this - he is probably too arrogant to go

[@laurieshouse]

He should never have been appointed in the first place.

[@stellifriends7785]

Should The Archbishop of York Resign? Yes.

[@paulbostock9039]

He covered up a crime . He should be investigated and prosecuted for a civil offence. The church should have nothing to do with it.

[@geoffgoodall3839]

Sir with the greatest respect you need to sort the signature tune out will write one for you no charge😂

[@mandygriffin5241]

Just read Carey has also resigned. I wonder if this is the justice the victims need? Some closure? If Cottrell goes, will this mean the end of LLF too? I’ve just moved house and am looking for a church. C of E is not on my list… it’s toxic

[@MrCliveado]

I think i will wait it out in C of E until the new archbishop is put in post. If they are liberal, I'll be looking to find a more orthodox denomination

[@Basaljet]

“Orthodox” in what way exactly?

[@Fercough]

That tends to mean bigoted.

[@MrCliveado]

@Fercough why do you comment on these videos? Go back to Grindr with your kind

[@racheldemain1940]

They can't surely be without at least one ArchBishop?

[@chrispowell1455]

If the C of E is going to retain the office holder of priests then it needs some mechanism to get rid of the bad apples with regards to safeguarding. I have recently moved between two Baptist churches, the first independent and second part of BU. Safeguarding is now taken very seriously - all adults working in any way with vulnerable people need to be e done the approved safeguarding training and I would imagine that is approx 50% + in a church with a membership of around 100 - this is both a large commitment and statement of intent that safeguarding is important and will be taken seriously. I am also a scout leader and it is similar to their requirements. I think you rightly raised the case in Blackburn and the reasoning you highlighted should apply to the church more widely, but the critics of the church will always find fault. Instead of the current criticism it would be church has paid off these people as a scandal instead. As you can't win either way with the media it seems their reasoning around protecting potential victims seems the most apt. I cannot imagine any role in the church is suitable for those who cannot be trusted in the company of children.

[@frsimonc.maddisonssc.7858]

If you do not have the moral courage to stand up, put your head above the parapet, and call out those involved in these appalling crimes, then you do not have the moral authority to be a priest/Bishop/Archbishop. The only Bishop who has demonstrated that moral courage is the Bishop of Newcastle, every other Bishop, without exception, should resign as they have no moral authority to lead the Church.

[@grahamebennett3875]

Hé should be sacked Dan, the C of E is no longer a faith based Christian church.

[@keithandrews1630]

He is not even a person that even tries to live by Christian teachings, he should resign, and all the other bishops that live the same way.

[@philandnic1987]

Bla ,bla bla bla, legalistic religious hypocrisy. Rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.This institution is supposed to represent Christ on earth! In that day Christ will say I never knew you?

[@Inwit_Education]

I've met him. he's got to go

[@Johlibaptist]

Yes. The Tudor case was a disgrace. Cottrell must go as soon as possible.

[@jeremyroberts39]

He should go....no question. If a company boss behaved like this they'd be out. The Church is broken at the top, who can ever believe in the compassion of Christ when the top guys condone sexual abuse.......please explain.!!!!!!!!!!?!!!!??!!!!!!!😮

[@davidmoorhouse8190]

Mm..this is a decision between himself and the Lord..the day of judgement comes to all..(Hebrews 4:12) Dr. Helen Ann Hartley, a brave lady again..

[@goodyear1954]

What factors are taken into account on the day of judgement?

[@davidmoorhouse8190]

@ What does God say?

[@markcrossley1979]

Yes, He MUST resign, I reported an incident and nothing has been done about it, another safeguarding scandal will arise as a result, watch this space.

[@Catherine4673-h2h]

😮oh my word - I'm so sorry... Please no more Lord... This is abhorrent and shaming to genuine Christians who love Jesus and love the communities where they live and serve 😢

[@Contraster671]

Without any doubt whatsoever, you wouldn’t keep anyone of his morals in any other organisation. Shame on him.

[@peterduke947]

Too much talk from the church about legalities and not enough about justice. If you get sued for wrongful dismissal because you did what is right and righteous then so be it. If the church is sacrificing the doing of justice to bend to the law of the UK that allows people to be exposed to abuse then the church has forgotten who her King really is.

[@Yasmirr]

Who takes over if the Archbishop of York and the Archbishop of Canterbury resign?

[@alanhowe7659]

Probably someone worse.

[@homemaintenance1234]

No one, hopefully, the CE have ALL failed us.

[@Yasmirr]

the Bishop of Oswestry would bring the CoE back on track IMO

[@sarahjf69]

Maybe it's time to rethink the whole hierarchical structure of the CofE.

[@Yasmirr]

@ it’s the way the Bishop and Archbishops are appointed that is more of an issue.

[@droof100]

I'm glad that this recognises that abusers are abusers regardless of 'orthodox' or 'evangelical' traditions/theologies. Its a shame it doesn't go further into an acceptance that abuse is abuse. To me that's important. There must be no bowing to "Safeguarding with a Christian perspective" - that is no Safeguarding at all. It perpetuates the culture which allows abuse to continue and flourish; that abuse by the church is somehow different. It isn't. Abuse is abuse. What is not being said in that statement, I suspect, is that people from the LGBT+ community shouldn't count. Its okay to abuse LGBT+ people because your theology is antithetical to legal standards of abuse outside of the church. The message is quite simple - don't abuse people - for any reason. Abuse is abuse and identifying as a Christian should not and cannot be a 'get out of jail' card, regardless its form.

[@chrismaguire3667]

Sadly, the *whole* of the *Church Politic's hierarchy* is almost positively infested with demonic energy (and if one thinks these situations are humanistic, one is naive in the extreme, dear reader.) They may not manifest in your church fellowship in as these singular cases, but in other, almost petty ways that put people out of felloiwship and the peace of G-d that passes all understanding. The Holy Spirit will not long stay in a place like that unless people are earnestly pleading with Jesus to *not* remove the Lampstand from them (Revelation, Chapters 2-3) in prayer and even repentance, despite the problems, spiritually and temporally! But, in the end, a line will be drawn. The Church Politic needs, imo, to return to its First Love, like the Ephesian Church was exhorted to do by Jesus in His first epistle in Revelation. Read the rest and examine the Church - *your church -* in that light! Then pray and talk to your vicar and see where he or she stands. Act on their response - fight for your fellowship or leave. But don't be silent, either way. Shalom and Merry Christ-Mas!

[@London-Lad]

Yes

[@friedaelizabethchorlton8654]

Yes all complicit

[@retsehcmaharg]

What good would it do for another Archbishop to resign? Does that imply the problem is beyond cure?

[@philandnic1987]

So be it.

[@heatherwalker4818]

Yes he should The church has lost all credibility I gave up on the church years ago because of it's hypocrisy God must weep.Wheres the petition?

[@michaelharrison2405]

The Diocese of Chelmsford has area bishops, so there may be questions as to where responsibilities lie.

[@theverystones2643]

He’s worse. Much worse

[@patriciamessenger9009]

Yes he should resign

[@ericdawson1377]

I came across a video from a year ago in which you said you were leaving the CoE and yet you're still in it. Why?

[@chrisstewartbenson119]

Do those who cry for his head have ulterior motives, like their own agenda for the C of E? Chris x

[@didboy74]

Shouldn't be a trial bynmedia is just another way of saying Bishops failing do to do the right thing should get away with it.

[@johnsinclair2672]

In my experience any clergy above the status of parish vicar have all placed their ascent up the greasy pole over the work of Christ. Also from my experience, most parish vicars, are comprised - they chase the wealthy and powerful in their Churches and Parish. Sadly the CofE is little more than an establishment private club. Though I’ve sought Jesus in many CofE churches, I’ve never found him!

[@Catherine4673-h2h]

This is so sad that you believe this...

[@campermobile3217]

Cottrell's solution to all of this was to change the word's of the Lord's prayer to not say "Our Father", wasn't it?

[@Catherine4673-h2h]

Really? What was this?

[@campermobile3217]

@@Catherine4673-h2h All the papers ran a story about how he was against the use of "Our Father" because it was problematic to people who had been abused by their earthly father. However... do you believe newspapers? Mr Cottrell has since tried to clarify his stance given the way the media wrote their stories. I was inclined to believe the newspapers but it seems they twisted the truth, as usual.

[@NickNick-tp5cr]

Its not just him though is it? Every person that works with him is obviously lacking in integrity and cannot be a true Christian. Bowing and scraping, while all the time knowing that he turned his back on the suffering of children for his own political gain. Excusing his behavior with technicalities makes them just as guilty. Us peasants turn our backs on such abominations, they are shunned from society, because we know that there is nothing worse than crimes against children. Shame the clergy don't share the same beliefs.

[@SkullyTheHypnoSkull]

Gosh... what a tough question. I don't know. I think it's ok for perverts to be priests, I agree with with the bishops. 16 year olds are kids anyway, you live in a pdf file country. What's the harm?

[@davepugh2519]

God should resign - the buck stops with him.

[@grahamegaw-mc3bw]

Typical - blaming God for the sins of MAN

[@exTTVM]

Dear Pastor Dan, as a complete outsider, but today's your video is so heavy, full of criticism and difficult to watch continuously. In such cases enemies work vividly somewhere in the behibd. Would you please check all of this issue. Thank you! From a big mouth outsider.

[@stephenfarthing3819]

Hmmm! My instinct is a mixed one. Is it tenable? Hmmm! This is precarious - and I take the point that it may not solve the problems with this priest. Who I understand has had his PTO removed - much like a Priest from Cheltenham who has also had his PTO removed for support of John Smythe QC camps in Britain. These go back to 2009 and 2018 or 19 ! I think that some revision is necessary. But there again, it's not too likely to be accepted.

[@retribution999]

I believe he is a brilliant man and a very gifted communicator. We dont need a witch hunt.

[@jm08050]

This podcast priest is very hard to follow. He rambles on without any rhyme or reason.

[@racheldemain1940]

No it's not easy to listen to thought it was just me!!