Should the north have independence from Westminster?

[@lukeskywalker1574]

I think the entire country should be independent from westminster lol

[@End-Result]

Now you're getting it. We need a socialised, federalised, regional system of governance with open borders. It's the only way to empower people and improve everyone's standard of living.

[@handle_the_handle]

@@End-Result ok I get your point and I agree with federalism but with open borders what would it benefit britain?

[@borderlands6606]

Most people will dismiss this as delusional. However the morning after the Brexit referendum, serious minded people were insisting London secede from the rest of England.

[@hayleylongster4698]

Lol yeah! Tbh I'd favour that rather an independent north 😉

[@hobbabobba7912]

The London "independence" wasn't serious loool. This independence "movement" isn't serious either.

[@borderlands6606]

@@hobbabobba7912 Do you really think Sadiq Khan wouldn't secede London from the UK if the EU supported the idea?

[@hobbabobba7912]

@@borderlands6606 No because he wouldn't, Sadiq Khan is baby things be he's not an idiot.

[@adolescence8305]

Long live Northumbria

[@odhrangallagher5738]

The NIP sound incredibly interesting. It's a shame that the BBC will never give them any coverage.

[@silkmentilidie9177]

Why won’t they? I presume because they love the tories or something?

[@odhrangallagher5738]

@@silkmentilidie9177 Because they're a socialist secessionist movement. The BBC is under the thumb of the political establishment, they would never give them coverage if they could help it.

[@Savageguy_Official]

I absolutely think northern England/northumbria can become independent from England

[@SteveSearle]

The People's Republic of Yorkshire 👍

[@qmqmqmqmqmmq1829]

Northumbria

[@imSTEALTH_G]

Lmfao thats why you won't get independence, Love from the people's Republic of Lancashire

[@Mo-hc9lc]

How about no

[@gerardfreeman8784]

I am from the Northwest , proud of being from the North, proud of being English. Listened to what his party stands for. Count me out.

[@NosyFella]

Enjoy the North becoming even more deprived while Boris and his mates laugh it up

[@CD-ky4rl]

Why

[@jonsmith20766]

He's given the game away right off the bat by not having any Englishness referered to in the name.

[@DTG-classified]

I hear you my brother we are northerners but ENGLISH NORTHERNERS count me out too

[@talktv]

Should the north of England have independence from Westminster?

[@thebigredwagon]

Yes

[@truthonwheels8652]

Yes

[@trainlover16]

Probably.

[@Patrick-vh5nr]

People want representation and Tory and labour are incapable of it. If we had a party that would enact the people’swill this divisive madness would end.

[@gethcreator751]

Yes fk Westminster

[@skitskot]

I would be in favour of devolution, we in the north east made a huge mistake voting against it.

[@wolfkingofcumbria7559]

What's the point of Northern independence if you're just going to import people who obviously aren't Northerners?

[@Dom-fx4kt]

Its basically Corbyn supporters wanting another attempt at establishing a socialist something with marxists ideas.

[@Rory_Herbert]

No, the north of England shouldn't have independence from Westminster.

[@Dead_in__side__]

Why?

[@NosyFella]

@@Someone-td4dw if the North of England could collect taxes on its' own economic output it could invest much more on its' public services and infrastructure than the tories ever will. The North East still uses 1980s hand-me-down trains from London. It's not fair.

[@NosyFella]

@@Someone-td4dw annually the UK government invests £1700 per person on London's infrastructure. They only invest £5 per person in the North East. The union doesn't work for most northern towns.

[@Gobbygiblet]

Honestly I have seen the damage that southern policies have had on my area. Stories from my grandfather, my father and my uncles, I have even seen some of the devastation in my teenage years. Everyone here is entitled to their views, but personally I wouldn't mind going our own way. I don't have a hatred for any decent person from the south, I just feel maybe it's time to find our own way.

[@Savageguy_Official]

Same I just feel bad for northern England/northumbria and Bo wonder I want it to become independent hopefully :)

[@utinirhino7658]

Pro refugee you say, that's nice. How many people do you think you can you fit onto a postage stamp - only so many! Ridiculous.

[@shrek_has_swag2344]

The north is sparsely populated

[@SpitfireMLG]

@@shrek_has_swag2344 LMAO, not it isn’t

[@conrad1on]

He's not wrong about the North getting short shrift, but an independence movement with intersectional politics wouldn't be what I was looking for.

[@joshnicholson2934]

Whether you actually want independence or not it's a movement you should support because even if they didn't get enough support to become an independent nation it would definitely force Westminster to acknowledge that we want more freedoms and would have no choice but to act

[@conrad1on]

@@joshnicholson2934 Sorry, I'll never support anything that embraces Critical Theory or any related ideology in any way. The damage it's done to literally everything cannot just be set aside.

[@joshnicholson2934]

@@conrad1on is it worse than the damage that Westminster has done and continues to do to the north?

[@conrad1on]

@@joshnicholson2934 In my opinion, 1,000% yes.

[@joshnicholson2934]

@@conrad1on ok well that's your opinion and that's fine but I'd recommend keeping an open mind

[@leeharwood9624]

Northumbria will rise again ❤ 🖤 ⚪

Why did they close asylums??????😵

[@ludwigvanbeethoven5005]

Any Independent North of England must include the major cities of Manchester and Liverpool. I hope you guys realise that. We're Northerners to.

[@stevenborg102]

Did he just say they are pro-refugee?? They aint gonna last 5 minutes. And how does that possibly represent the north??

[@theooo8903]

It's pretty common for the oppressed to stand with the oppressed. It's paving the way forward for a new positive kind of patriotism.

[@wills5945]

Let’s be honest, everything outside of London is overlooked and undervalued. No wonder the union is falling apart.

[@alancass7113]

Sadly I don't agree, too many people power grabbing now. The should be a central government that is correctly policed by a decent opposition party. Once you start giving power to local organisations, it may work well until that local organisation decided to curtail your freedoms too....

[@hayleylongster4698]

We don't want independence from Westminster. We just want to be treated with as much respect as the south.

[@gethcreator751]

No I want independence

[@greatgouda4792]

@@gethcreator751 well be prepared to be sold off to the EU you then. Because by diminishing England as a whole you would only set yourselves up to be bought up by the EU. Enjoy your knew overlords I guess, if it happens. Make no mistake the would be campaigners now, will turn into politicians and they will unequivocally throw you under the bus right to the EUs feet.

[@hayleylongster4698]

@@gethcreator751 You want more corrupt politicians ? We have enough with the ones we've got

[@gethcreator751]

@@hayleylongster4698 I want the corrupt politicians to bbe Northern and we can hold them to account. We got rid of the EU bureaucrats now it's time to rid ourselves of Westminster and the South as a whole. Do you think we in the North voted Brexit because we just wanted to be tied to Westminster? Nope we want freedom and we don't get that while tied to Westminster

[@gethcreator751]

@DevilKaz yh he killed his own career before it started with that immigration crap

[@marc6477]

This is a bigger joke than Cornish independence

[@laurenceskinnerton73]

The north of England should have autonomy.

[@JMicahTV]

I smell the EU involved somewhere in this drama

[@trainlover16]

Wouldn’t be surprised if Southern England and Wales merged into South Britain and Northern England and Scotland merged into North Britain. Just imagine if Britain was divided like North and South Korea.

[@trainlover16]

@Northumbrian Fella No u.

[@mattlm64]

Whilst I don't necessarily agree with this guy, I do think there needs to be devolution to English regions with greater autonomy from Westminster such that the UK is more federalised.

[@frankie7529]

I think I agree. That could actually help the UK government to be able to focus on federal issues, international trade, foreign policy, energy strategy and things like that. If Wales needs a parliament then so does the North of England.

[@caspianmanpredator163]

Wait this show host doesn't think Manchester is in the North?

[@caspianmanpredator163]

@@angrez6182 lmao it's classed as the North west

[@caspianmanpredator163]

@@angrez6182 I mean I'm way further north than Manchester and I'd say they're north, certainly have the northern identity

[@williamgreen4020]

I'm a Northerner and my opinion? Definitely not. I don't want Northumberland to be a like some Balkan enclave. What we really need is single Nationalist party for the UK, which supports and safeguards the established population. Patriotic Alternative sounds about right, I like their plan.

[@invernessfan3017]

I support devolution for the English regions. These regions would know what to do with their own affairs. They could develop according to their own culture. It would develop these regions economically. The nations of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have their own assemblies or parliaments.

[@kesterkonnorson1284]

Do it Philip. Glad to see someone willing to stick their neck out. Big government can kiss my ass.

[@pauls2876]

It's a time to come together, not further division. As a people we need to rise up against this corrupt government

[@pauls2876]

@you little cat friend Alice The political system isn't corrupt, its the career politicians voted in whom are corruptible. I've never voted tactically, I know a lot that have eg voting for the lesser evil. More people need go out of their way, do a little research and vote for an MP that truly represents them and stop worrying about it being a wasted vote otherwise there'll never be any change.

[@pauls2876]

@you little cat friend Alice But it's the people that have filled parliament with these spineless representatives. Just a quick search of our local MP's online to find out what their campaign slogans were and reading what they've said in public statements, you'll see they're totally opposite to how they vote in parliament. I know very few people that are aware or bothered about anything our local MP's do after they're voted in?! People need to be more responsible with their vote and MP's should be more accountable when they get things wrong which is the top and bottom of it.

[@pauls2876]

@you little cat friend Alice that last bit I can get on board with

[@furboii9077]

Na not gonna solve anything, inequality between the north and south has continued even since Thatcher's and Tory policies of destroying industries in the North in the 80's, and even longer, most deprived areas in the UK are in the North, poverty is higher in the North than in the south, recently during this pandemic COVID restrictions are much worse in the North than the South despite the North as lower rates than in the south. Also the UK has the highest regional inequalities compared to any other wealthy Country Time fae change

[@Dom-ny7vh]

Yes everyone should be like the Faroe Islands but the UK is the main thing overall

[@adagietto2523]

Don't forget Cornwall and Wessex; it would be like going backwards in time, until the UK becomes like Germany and Italy prior to their unification. To do it properly we need lots little states ruled by Grand Dukes, prince-bishops and so forth, with a scattering of free cities.

[@maccampbell8359]

Its the city of London needs dismantling.

[@kamanashiskar9203]

The City is powerful for that.

[@Dom-fx4kt]

The city that generates the most tax lol

[@parmoparade9960]

My northern town already looks like a migrant camp so your "pro refugee independence movement" can do one mate.

[@turtleextra4128]

ParmoParade well they wouldn’t be in charge post independence we’d have a second general election with new parties and all

[@kevinsnowden5992]

No no and no

[@ster2600]

Why not?

[@furboii9077]

Yes

[@cyberash3000]

AND the northern independence party will legalise cannabis

[@furboii9077]

It does say on the manifesto they'll decriminalise cannabis

[@dang4160]

What to become like Jamaica a nation of zombies were nothing gets done a society highly femmineisd a nation that doesn’t face the nature of realty SOUNDS MORE WOKE .

[@tenacious3911]

No.

[@rusrad74]

Well,, the South does not begin from the Humber down ya fool!

[@turtleextra4128]

rusrad74 no there this place called the midlands

[@EpicWatsonOneNew]

From northumbria i support independance but just not under NIP rule

[@Mr_Cholmondley_Warner]

SNP for northern England, no thanks!

[@thebigredwagon]

Absolutely!!!!!!

[@strontiumdog3344]

No, of course not. What a stupid question.

[@jamieheslop413]

Well is this Northumbria going to have its own military

[@voodoochile333]

I live in Manchester. Ive never heard of them.

[@SpitfireMLG]

That's because this party is a brand new, established backed, artificial party that exists for the sole aim of trying to undermine the unity and resolve of the English and British peoples.

[@NosyFella]

@Northumbrian Fella the literacy rates of Northern kids is far behind the south and this government doesn't care. Face up to the reality that we are already divided and weak!

[@NosyFella]

@Northumbrian Fella the schools in the North East are particularly bad, worst in the country. What chance does the region have if it can't gain political autonomy? Tories will never do anything and Labour will take the region for granted. You're happy to let the problems get worse because of some myth of English unity.

[@NosyFella]

@Northumbrian Fella Nigel Farage isn't working class either but he managed to create a movement, it's the agenda that matters to people most. Everyone in poor areas in the north knows how fucked up the national government is but we're just supposed to accept it forever. There needs to be an intervention if the north is going to have a future.

[@NosyFella]

@Northumbrian Fella i don't feel much of a connection to England as a whole, i never even go down south. Would be happy to see the maximum amount of devolution possible for the North.

[@theredraven]

Philip Proudfoot is someone who according to his Twitter bio someone has a background Middle Eastern Anthropology. You'd have thought someone who spent time in places like Lebanon would know all about the dangers of putting dividing lines on a map. Also, don't forget the other big divide in the UK. Between big cities and smaller towns and other population centres. What happens in this new "Northumbrian" state when all the money and power flows to cities like Manchester and Newcastle and the towns and rural areas just get the table scraps? People demanding Morecambe Maybe that point George Orwell had about intellectuals in England hating and being embarrassed of their own country isn't so far fetched afterall.

[@benstone6334]

As a young lad born in raised in the north east I don’t personally agree with him. I remember my uncles saying similar things years ago like the north east would be better of part of Scotland psh.

[@jonathanm836]

Absolutely ridiculous idea.

[@J0s3ph__]

Yeah.... No

[@chrisclark1761]

French departments have much more autonomy. I think they are right to call for this independence. In Ireland (Southern) I feel there could be a drive for a Dublin region independence.

[@kamanashiskar9203]

So Dublin wants devolution from the Republic of Ireland?

[@frankie7529]

@@kamanashiskar9203 well London has its own elected mayor and assembly, so why not Dublin.

[@banksyc473]

No

[@stevenhedley292]

Where is the petition so I can sign?

[@mr_freshsalha7815]

Let the midlands join

[@cyberash3000]

the north when put together makes more money than london so yes

[@sandall7398]

Everyone should have independence from Westminster. If people aren't governed fairly, it should be their right to choose for themselves.

[@sandall7398]

@Little Bear 91 I don't think I was promoting the break up of England. I'd never really thought about that. Although you have a point, if Westminster is only helping one part of your country, to the detriment of another part of your country. Then the people being unfairly treated may wish to show their displeasure. This whole nationalist thing could be sorted out very quickly if Westminster would behave fairly and honestly with all parts of the United Kingdom. This appears to be a step too far for them, and so the Kingdom will undoubtedly be rent asunder. Never mind England can have all the sovereignty and perpetual Conservative Governments, that they so obviously crave.

[@rogerlidster6184]

Madness

[@londonpommie]

Someone had too much time on their hands during furlough.

[@TheQeltar]

@Gentleman Four I'm pretty sure a teacher does work, yes.

[@almor2445]

How is Sheffield in the South?

[@MrCA1994]

I am asuming he is refering to the county of South Yorkshire in reference to the new "northern independence " . But, if he is saying that Sheffield is in Southern England then he is bad in Geography.

[@KentWillumsen]

Devolution does not work

[@will9444555]

Devolution was a mistake

[@caspianmanpredator163]

You'll have a very hard time trying to get people from Yorkshire, Cumbria, Merseyside, Manchester etc calling themselves "Northumbrians" the history behind it is long gone, you'd need a new name and a new flag if anyone outside of the North East were to feel represented

[@turtleextra4128]

Caspian Man Predator agreed maybe the Danelaw considering it had all of the north at one point or something entirely original

[@frankie7529]

@@turtleextra4128 or Elmet which was a British Kingdom in the North before the Anglo-Saxon invasion.

[@turtleextra4128]

Fadiel Fredericks yeah

[@jimmyharrison6045]

No, we need a Patriotic Alternative.

[@3D_Printing]

North is Manchester or Leeds according by the Powers

[@l.f.c9973]

Nah d only independance i support would be the people republic of liverpool

[@chickenkebabandchips251]

Pity your probably a wool or Norwegian, being a kopite

[@CaptainOveur69]

What a flid

[@terrortorn]

10 points for use of the term I haven't heard since my schooldays.

[@GodsOwnPrototype]

We don't need further breakup of the UK but we do need money, power & influence to shift out from London & around the country. What we need amongst other things is a Roving Union Parliament that sits in a different Nation and Region and City each session. This will require suitable infrastructure development in each place & focus the politicians' & bureaucrats' minds on the issues & perspective of the local region.

[@futtocks23]

Has he asked what the Duke of Northumberland thinks ?

[@leeharwood9624]

He would be the king we would be down with it

[@ratherlargehooter8200]

But anyone can be a Northerner

[@thebigredwagon]

Nope

[@SpitfireMLG]

@@thebigredwagon According to this guy’s policies of migrants and “refugees”, you’re wrong. According to your leader anyone can be northern

[@ianbailey2348]

We should have constant devolution, until there are so many layers of Government that everyone is employed by the state and all the work is done by robots.

[@ericboxer3053]

getting ridiculous

[@thebigredwagon]

Why? The U.S has the electoral college and that helps to keep their republic stable because the founding fathers knew that people flock to cities then they create their own identity then dictate to the rest. London Is nothing like the rest of the country and in the north they hate being bullied into ideas that they do not share.

[@Awsomo666]

Being from Merseyside I was enraged by brexit. Liverpool would be nothing without Europe. Westminster has never helped us. Thatcher destroyed our city and as a people we dusted ourselves off and worked hand in hand with our European allies. The south has never helped us.

[@SpitfireMLG]

Be more specific. Why did Thatcher specifically do to Liverpool and how on God’s Earth did the EU specifically help Liverpool? Be specific.

[@daphoebster]

Yes

[@lisalu3994]

What would this acheive?

[@NosyFella]

Redistribute wealth to rebuild the deprived towns and cities of the post-industrial north

[@Mo-hc9lc]

@@NosyFella so communism and wealth that comes from south

[@turtleextra4128]

Mo the idea is that the north could start to industrialise again and produce more of its own wealth and it will be staying in the north

[@arga9767]

I say get rid of London!!!

[@aragornthebrave]

Scottish independence was mocked at first. How are they doing now?

[@theredraven]

There's a big difference between that and some guy who wants to go around all of Northern England telling people they aren't English but Northumbrian, a Saxon kingdom that hasn't existed for over 1000 years. Scotland on the other hand, in the 300 years it's been part of the UK, retained its own legal system, had a completely different system of local government to England and Wales, army regiments there had a distinctive Scottish identity, the banks issue their own banknotes etc. The ethnic identity of Scotland and being Scottish has always been very strong even after the Act of Union. Same for Wales (although it shares a chunk of its legal system with England), same for Ireland before 1921 when the southern part broke away. If by comparison I walked round my local area in Manchester and asked 100 people if they were English or Northumbrian, I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority are going to answer that they are English. Maybe in Liverpool I'll get the "I'm Scouse not English" answer and maybe in some of the areas near the Scottish borders I'll find people who might identify more with being Scottish than English but for the most part I don't really think most people in Northern England have suddenly decided they aren't English.

[@aragornthebrave]

@@theredraven Probably not, "Ultimo Tiger". But they will know about the way the North has been treated in recent past, not to mention decades and centuries ago. There's already been a swell of interest, so I suppose we'll just see where it goes.

[@ster2600]

@@theredraven it's about dismantling the westminister corruption

[@furboii9077]

@@theredraven your talking about an Ancient kingdom, if the north decided to become a separate Country they'd be their own separate, sovereign state.

[@theredraven]

@@furboii9077 Why would English people want to break up England?

[@MatthewIronsideTuson]

My version of an independent north is better

[@Batemann1980]

Hell yeah

[@dreamstealer9089]

Can I come?

[@theemperor6413]

I am from Grimsby and I hope Grimsby can be part of an Independent Northumbria

[@nataliekhanyola5669]

I'm sure it can.

[@theemperor6413]

@@nataliekhanyola5669 I hope

[@cyberash3000]

i have nothing in common with southerners at all, i w dont even like them being in the north

[@Mike-tb9xq]

I hate you way more than you hate me. I can guarantee it.

[@cyberash3000]

@@Mike-tb9xq i very much doubt that. if i had the ability id nuke the south off the face of the planet. even if it killed us too.

[@Mike-tb9xq]

@@cyberash3000 That's nice. Nukes are too quick and humane for you northern peasants.

[@SpitfireMLG]

It's a shame you feel like that because most of the South values the North. My mum's side of the family is from York and it's always a pleasure going there. When I was a kid I always asked my mum if we could move there. I'm glad we're together. I'd happily defend York, Newcastle or Manchester like I would Canterbury, Colchester or Dorset. Proud to be English and for all those cities to be united as English.

[@cyberash3000]

@@SpitfireMLG join the northern independence party then if your a true friend of the north let us leave.

[@TheCyborg94]

Republic of Northumbria and Mercia! 💪

[@joshnicholson2934]

We can only hope this becomes a reality

[@mmcclean8791]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[@greatgouda4792]

Independence is not the way to go. I agree with C Lonie, the only way forward if this is whats building up in the north is a federal system. I dont like it but...if it will keep people together and not break up England into tiny chunks to be absorbed by the EU then I'd rather have a federal system than give away our nation to the EU piece by Piece.

[@theooo8903]

Why would this new state be pro EU when this party seems fairly agnostic about the EU, and all of the regions voted for Brexit?

[@hobbabobba7912]

It would be funny if the new Republic of Northumbria annexed up to Edinburgh.

[@cyberash3000]

the fact they are a socialist party made me join up without a second thought. finally a socialist party that makes sense.

[@Barry75391]

Yorkshire carry’s the north😂

[@fredkay6743]

Nah, Cumbria carries the North. We have the water, power and a richer history.

[@Barry75391]

@@fredkay6743 we have the biggest county in England. A higher population then Scotland, wales, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. We also have a similar economy to Scotland. We also have richer history with the battle of the roses and the Yorkshire rebellion etc.

[@fredkay6743]

@@Barry75391 We have the third largest county, all of England's highest peaks and England's largest lake. We have a richer history by sharing our name with Wales; Cumbria and Cymru meaning Kombroges or "compatriots". Yorkshire may have some battles but we have walls, forts and castles, not to mention a history of conflict that dates way back before the War of the Roses.

[@Barry75391]

@@fredkay6743 a name doesn’t mean richer history lad

[@Barry75391]

@@fredkay6743 and we’ve had multiple rebellions such as 1489 and 1820

[@gitfoad8032]

Why the Chinese tourists on the thumb? Is that a foot&mouth ref?

[@donnkelt9114]

Yes

[@andrewsloan3879]

@Northumbrian Fella I have irish ancestry so be careful

[@tomsloan2778]

@Northumbrian Fella yes I have Mostly irish ancestry but also welsh, cornish and scottish.

[@tomsloan2778]

different account but the same person by the way.